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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:08:51 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe
17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has .
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1189
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Posted - 2015.03.25 12:05:04 -
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flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has .
Do you realize how hard it is to sneak up on people when you're in a huge blob? Now THAT takes skill!
D.
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Nyalnara
AdAstra. Beach Club
3
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Posted - 2015.03.25 13:06:48 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:So 1 trillion destroyed... Yet according to Goblin's own Ratting data, Goonswarm (CONDI) killed about 3 billion isk or more worth of rats each day in February alone. That amounts to 84 bil for the month not including rental, moon, or any other source of income. So the ratting alone of one group covered half the damage. Sorry, unless you can destroy all other sources of income, this really is doing nothing but funding other people to enjoy eve.
Well, was wondering... Does rental money goes to line members wallet? Does moon goo? Well, no, it doesn't, as far as i know. Thus ratting is the only real ISK making activity they have. And as far as i remember, ratting losses are not replaced through SRP.
Killing ratters does no direct damage to the coalition wallet. But it does reduce it's members numbers, as a member without ratting either stop playing or goes back to high-sec to carebear. And a coalition without members is a joke.
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Joseph Soprano
Aliastra Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2015.03.25 14:21:29 -
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flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has .
@Flakeys 'And on topic of the donation , it was a donation but probably mostly to the ''plexwafflesaccountsforthenextyears'' charity .Ah well , as long as he also invests some of it into pvp i'd say money well spend'
Isn't that what Gevlon's doing. Investing in PvP?
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Big Lynx
1067
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Posted - 2015.03.25 16:25:44 -
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What would gevlin do without Goons? Back to WoW? |
Elliott Spitzer
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.03.25 16:44:34 -
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Nyalnara wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:So 1 trillion destroyed... Yet according to Goblin's own Ratting data, Goonswarm (CONDI) killed about 3 billion isk or more worth of rats each day in February alone. That amounts to 84 bil for the month not including rental, moon, or any other source of income. So the ratting alone of one group covered half the damage. Sorry, unless you can destroy all other sources of income, this really is doing nothing but funding other people to enjoy eve. Well, was wondering... Does rental money goes to line members wallet? Does moon goo? Well, no, it doesn't, as far as i know. Thus ratting is the only real ISK making activity they have. And as far as i remember, ratting losses are not replaced through SRP. Killing ratters does no direct damage to the coalition wallet. But it does reduce it's members numbers, as a member without ratting either stop playing or goes back to high-sec to carebear. And a coalition without members is a joke.
Except that it doesn't. Goons are not losing members because they lose a ratting ship once in awhile. It's inevitable. Your logic is just as bad as the Goblinators. If losing ratting ships reduces the number of members then Goonswarm should be failscading. Ratters in Goonswarm make more than enough isk to factor in losses, even carrier losses. Ratting isn't the only income available either, there are many other ways to make isk in Null sec, especially when your a member of an organization that helps you succeed. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2769
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Posted - 2015.03.25 19:51:03 -
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Joseph Soprano wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has . @Flakeys 'And on topic of the donation , it was a donation but probably mostly to the ''plexwafflesaccountsforthenextyears'' charity .Ah well , as long as he also invests some of it into pvp i'd say money well spend' Isn't that what Gevlon's doing. Investing in PvP? PS. Sorry for your loss.
I think you took the wrong quote from me and meant to take the one above it where i asked gevlon how much of the total kills where thanks to his investment and not this quote where a pve monkey with a shitrecord laughs at moa's pvp ability.
So assuming you meant that one then yes he is investing in pvp.The thing is he is claiming that the damage done was purely because of that investment.Now go look at the MOA killboard and look for the months before gevlon invested last year.Their best months where when he was not even investing.I am not claiming he isn't helping MOA recover their losses , i am however highly doubting that his investment in MOA is actually imrpoving the amount of kills a month as he claims they are.
I've had my share of donations to a few pvp corps over the last year , not 150 B like gevlon but at least 50B for sure , yet i would never claim they made X amount extra kills that month because of it.I see it as nothing more then making their losses less time consuming and giving them more 'fun time' on a montly base.But then i am not doing it to ''hire them against the evils of eve'' but donating spare isk so that new players who venture into their first steps in pvp can do this freely without thinking too much of the risk it involves.
Nice of you to link a reply i made in regards to that investment of around a month ago , but you should see that my remark in that thread was a smile remark as i expect most of it did go to plex's.That was a bad investment wich i hadn't had for years so i could only face it with a smile .Something you dont need to say ''sorry' for btw as it is part of the gamble one takes.If you can't handle a loss you shouldn't aim for a win .
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MASSADEATH
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
83
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Posted - 2015.03.25 21:55:22 -
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What it does allow us to do is field better ships :)
which acts like a force multiplier for us since we are mostly high SP older players.
Since we dont have any moon goo ect income sources, its a great help.
Thank you gevlon
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
751
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Posted - 2015.03.25 23:02:01 -
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lawl gevlon linked to this thread as "goon tears"
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
101
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Posted - 2015.03.26 00:53:31 -
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flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has .
OHHHHHHH SNAP!
I mostly run logi and POS's on this alt!
SNAP!
But hey good one! Don't let my 2004 alt scare you! Come say hi in fade! |
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Noragen Neirfallas
Pwn 'N Play Nulli Secunda
55
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Posted - 2015.03.26 05:14:27 -
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Danalee wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has . Do you realize how hard it is to sneak up on people when you're in a huge blob? Now THAT takes skill! D. Been there done that. Somebody ought to give me a t-shirt for that too
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5241
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Posted - 2015.03.26 08:14:22 -
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Nyalnara wrote:Well, was wondering... Does rental money goes to line members wallet? Does moon goo? Well, no, it doesn't, as far as i know. Thus ratting is the only real ISK making activity they have. And as far as i remember, ratting losses are not replaced through SRP.
Killing ratters does no direct damage to the coalition wallet. But it does reduce it's members numbers, as a member without ratting either stop playing or goes back to high-sec to carebear. And a coalition without members is a joke. Apparently you've never lived in null. Ratting is one of many methods of earning ISK in null. Hell, most people can cover personal expenses through PI alone, but there's also personal moons, trading, (a small amount of industry), explo, etc. It's pretty much the same as income streams anywhere else.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2775
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:00:33 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has . OHHHHHHH SNAP! I mostly run logi and POS's on this alt! SNAP! But hey good one! Don't let my 2004 alt scare you! Come say hi in fade! Keep on blobing!
Gosh i so didn't expect you to say 'boohoo but it's an alt , my main who i don't mention has an awsome record' .Nope totally not ... ow but i did i said my trade/research alt had more kills didn't i .. yup i did.
Talking **** about MOA is all fine and dandy but coming from the Alliance that brought us let's undock this kessie full of plex in jita what can go wrong ' and 'sure goons we'll kill our fellow titanmate if you say so' is pure gold.
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Joseph Soprano
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:33:05 -
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flakeys wrote:
So assuming you meant that one then yes he is investing in pvp.The thing is he is claiming that the damage done was purely because of that investment.Now go look at the MOA killboard and look for the months before gevlon invested last year.Their best months where when he was not even investing.I am not claiming he isn't helping MOA recover their losses , i am however highly doubting that his investment in MOA is actually imrpoving the amount of kills a month as he claims they are.
flakeys wrote:
Now de-***** the data from the rest of the year 2014 .Compare that with the kills since you have been sponsoring them , make a montly average and tell me how much more kill% your 200 B added.
Does this help?
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hu/2014/05/mordus-angels-data.html |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2775
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Posted - 2015.03.26 14:25:52 -
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Joseph Soprano wrote:flakeys wrote:
So assuming you meant that one then yes he is investing in pvp.The thing is he is claiming that the damage done was purely because of that investment.Now go look at the MOA killboard and look for the months before gevlon invested last year.Their best months where when he was not even investing.I am not claiming he isn't helping MOA recover their losses , i am however highly doubting that his investment in MOA is actually imrpoving the amount of kills a month as he claims they are.
flakeys wrote:
Now de-***** the data from the rest of the year 2014 .Compare that with the kills since you have been sponsoring them , make a montly average and tell me how much more kill% your 200 B added.
Does this help? http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hu/2014/05/mordus-angels-data.html
Yup , that looks like what i was aiming at and if these stats are correct then it seems GG's investment does give an increase to the total damage done.Offcourse it is hard to pinpoint it exaclty as you have to take wardeployements into account and i rrrrrrrreally don't feel like giving that a look . Unlike gevlon i absolutely hate spreadsheets .
Well if correct then it does surprise me and my assumption was wrong as to the effect GG's investment has.When you look at the killboard you will notice the total amounts killed per month give another impression but that is before that data is de-whored.As such my first look at the killboards made me think GG's investment had no influence what so ever but with the figures given it seems it does.
Still doesn't let me believe it has any reall impact on the CFC though .
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
103
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Posted - 2015.03.26 22:27:17 -
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flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has . OHHHHHHH SNAP! I mostly run logi and POS's on this alt! SNAP! But hey good one! Don't let my 2004 alt scare you! Come say hi in fade! Keep on blobing! Gosh i so didn't expect you to say 'boohoo but it's an alt , my main who i don't mention has an awsome record' .Nope totally not ... ow but i did i said my trade/research alt had more kills didn't i .. yup i did. Talking **** about MOA is all fine and dandy but coming from the Alliance that brought us let's undock this kessie full of plex in jita what can go wrong ' and 'sure goons we'll kill our fellow titanmate if you say so' is pure gold.
Goons do what ever they want... pretty sure no one can stop them, so if you have a problem with goons... take it up with goons? Maybe you can donate to this legendary donation drive
As for the titan incident... he got a new one right after sooooooooooooo yeah.
But as for your elite blue blob gank of a killboard... huh, good for you! I'm not huge into zerging targets, even though i have plenty of super kills, POS kills, fleet overwhelming kills... but it doesn't mean anything. Well except we have a lot of blue friends to kill everyone |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2775
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Posted - 2015.03.27 07:32:22 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has . OHHHHHHH SNAP! I mostly run logi and POS's on this alt! SNAP! But hey good one! Don't let my 2004 alt scare you! Come say hi in fade! Keep on blobing! Gosh i so didn't expect you to say 'boohoo but it's an alt , my main who i don't mention has an awsome record' .Nope totally not ... ow but i did i said my trade/research alt had more kills didn't i .. yup i did. Talking **** about MOA is all fine and dandy but coming from the Alliance that brought us let's undock this kessie full of plex in jita what can go wrong ' and 'sure goons we'll kill our fellow titanmate if you say so' is pure gold. Goons do what ever they want... pretty sure no one can stop them, so if you have a problem with goons... take it up with goons? Maybe you can donate to this legendary donation drive As for the titan incident... he got a new one right after sooooooooooooo yeah. But as for your elite blue blob gank of a killboard... huh, good for you! I'm not huge into zerging targets, even though i have plenty of super kills, POS kills, fleet overwhelming kills... but it doesn't mean anything. Well except we have a lot of blue friends to kill everyone
The one who has to awox a friend because of light suspicions and does so has a problem with goons but then they mostly have a problem as an Alliance themselves as they trust people from the outside better then their inner circle.I would call that a toxic enviremont.
So as such , nope i don't have a problem with goons , never had to do anything i didn't want to because of them so why would i ?
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Catalytic morphisis
Adrift and at Peace
113
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:28:31 -
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YES! I've been waiting for a Bullshit gevlon post for so long! Please Amuse me with some Terrible stat manipulation and all your "Burn the infidels" crap! More graphs needed!
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
379
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Posted - 2015.03.28 07:02:47 -
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Since many were curious, how the donation affected MoA, here is a chart of older MoA kills against the minions of Evil: Chart It ends with December, you can add January: 198B, February: 155B.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.03.28 09:16:02 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Since many were curious, how the donation affected MoA, here is a chart of older MoA kills against the minions of Evil: ChartIt ends with December, you can add January: 198B, February: 155B.
Still sceptical i looked at memberbase assuming that an increase in that would give a higher kb number and would again diminish the investment-effect.Oddly enough since september last year instead of an increase MOA actually had an 18.26 % decrease in members.
I'm 'allmost' inclined to believe it does have an effect ...
Ah well as long as it keeps you from posting on EN24 then it's all for a good cause ....
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:30:34 -
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Hmm why the hate for gevlon?
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2015.03.28 15:10:49 -
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La Rynx wrote:Hmm why the hate for gevlon?
Because he is a ******* idiot.
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1203
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Posted - 2015.03.28 16:59:34 -
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Leto Thule wrote:La Rynx wrote:Hmm why the hate for gevlon? Because he is a ******* idiot.
Idiot savant? Or idiot of the plain variant? I can't imagine idiots wielding spreadsheets, graphs and pie charts like this... oh wait...
D.
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Aphsala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2015.03.28 16:59:38 -
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i will invade an take over null in my venture if you donate 200b isk :D for ship replacement an fittings ofc |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
316
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Posted - 2015.03.29 12:19:34 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Since many were curious, how the donation affected MoA, here is a chart of older MoA kills against the minions of Evil: ChartIt ends with December, you can add January: 198B, February: 155B.
Which still blissfully ignores the fluctuations of the MoA corporation numbers, and the individual member size of member corps going in and out from MoA.
Needless to say, it also ignores any change in CFC numbers and deployment activity. There are also a few more variables that has a profound effect on this, but enough with statistics.
Now, only a fool would buy the idea that the chump change you are throwing at an alliance, which is the laughing stock of anyone seriously PvP oriented in EVE, translates to a demonstration of your success.
It doesn't. I staunchly believe people who went through institutions of higher education in later stages of their lives possess an intellectual edge, ergo, it is difficult for me to believe that you can't realize this.
This is only about you, trying desperately to sell the idea that your actions in this game somehow influences the balance of power exists at a larger scale than any single individual, with perhaps, one or two famous exceptions.
Every bizarre and unsound idea coming from you, that was supposed to demonstrate your individual superiority above the other playing EVE so far, has failed catastrophically. You couldn't feasibly sustain any of your previous commitments. I now look at the donation board, and see hours and days of your personal time invested in it. Billions of ISK, farmed through bot-like activity. An investment that no one else bothers to commit to any donation board, as the realities of mathematics make is evident to everyone that a group of many will end up triumphing the effort of one.
As I was writing this, I looked at the donation board you have been doing your best for months to promote now. The inevitable truth is that no one takes your pleas for donations seriously.
For nearly three years, you have tried to show this player base that you are somewhat a better player, one with superior intellect and savvy miles beyond any other individual. You have showed previously that you manage to cope with lack of any clear success that could be attributed to you in EVE through keeping up a sustained belief that somehow, the amount of wealth you have accumulated through commitment of the majority of your time is superior to any other individual's. I remember how you seriously claimed that a high-sec mercenary alliance such as Marmite cannot afford to keep CFC war-decced all the time. Or how you claimed that just because no one else is flaunting around a mediocre amount of wealth such as yours must mean that there is no one else playing this game exceeding your wealth as they must be either seling their ISK or lying. It isn't just that you are really trying hard to deceive and con everyone into your superiority, it is also that sometimes it awkwardly seems like you are also trying hard to deceive yourself.
I have never experienced such a serious and sustained failure in my life before. Not in EVE, not in my life. I look at you now and wonder... Please do tell Gevlon, how does it feel to be in your shoes?
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Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
316
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Posted - 2015.03.29 12:51:04 -
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La Rynx wrote:Hmm why the hate for gevlon?
Not hate. What I see is ridicule. Mockery. Sometimes even pity.
To put those into perspective, let me provide an example: A BNI pilot might hate a PL FC such as Grath Telkin. He has a reason to. Grath Telkin has power and is personally an instrument of that very same power being applied against BNI to the detriment of the BNI and the BNI pilot himself.
That sort of power dynamic ends up fostering hate.
Gevlon doesn't have any power. He didn't before, and most likely he won't in future either. |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1204
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:11:29 -
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All sides in this debate are equally funny;
Gevlon promoting his burn all the goons schtick and his detractors (mostly goons) posting walls of text to show how little they care.
:popcorn time
D.
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Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
316
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:38:09 -
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Danalee wrote:All sides in this debate are equally funny; Gevlon promoting his burn all the goons schtick and his detractors (mostly goons) posting walls of text to show how little they care. :popcorn time D.
Mathematics, projection and variables does not carry Gevlon's... schtick. Nor do they carry any alliance tag, including ours. Some of us are predisposed to argue certain points systematically and coherently.
Your personal decision to avoid demonstrating the capacity or tenaciousness to conceive does not bring certain absolutes into any doubt.
By the way, bless your heart for signing that post of yours. I couldn't possibly have hoped to figure out who penned that particular post otherwise. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.03.29 14:00:09 -
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Danalee wrote:All sides in this debate are equally funny; Gevlon promoting his burn all the goons schtick and his detractors (mostly goons) posting walls of text to show how little they care. :popcorn time D.
You mean like the mercthreads in here battling it out in each others threads how bad the other one is and how good they are , you know marmite and the likes .... wich kinda hurts your sides badly from laughing considering they are battling over ''the high-sec pvp trophy'' .
But then my kids also tend to fight over their crappy happy meal gifts , so i can relate to it ...
In that regard topics like these are quite in their place in crime and punishment . The cesspool of the eve forum where true heroes are self-claimed every minute , wich probably also is the reason why i like this part of the forums the most.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.03.29 14:05:35 -
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Alp Khan wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:Since many were curious, how the donation affected MoA, here is a chart of older MoA kills against the minions of Evil: ChartIt ends with December, you can add January: 198B, February: 155B. Which still blissfully ignores the fluctuations of the MoA corporation numbers, and the individual member size of member corps going in and out from MoA.
For a second ignoring all the rest as i'm sure gevlon has some charts laying left and right to counter whatever arguement you have , in the above regard it actually works in his favour.As i said above your post i immediatly had that ide too so i looked up their memberbase changes and since gevlon has been donating the memberbase actually went down by allmost 1/5th .
Not surprised the memberbase did went down though as the idea of fighting ''gevlons holy crusade'' , even when accidently , would leave a sour taste among many players.But then on the other side you get to kill goons so it really is choosing for the worst and best in eve when you join MOA at this point.
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