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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
377
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Posted - 2015.03.24 10:22:50 -
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The Mordus Angels donation board was created in 2014 September. Since then, 200.6B ISK was collected for the noble cause of killing the minions of Evil (the CFC). MoA killed lots of CFC since then: September: 112B October: 161B November: 112B December: 166B January: 198B February: 155B March so far estimate: 120B All together more than 1T. Please note that these are de-whored kill data, so if a mixed fleet with only 1 MoA pilot in it kill a 2B carrier and the MoA pilot did 1% damage, then 20M was added to the numbers, not 2B.
The money was mostly donated by me. I gave 159B since the creation of the donation board. Others gave 41B, which isn't a small number in itself, but still 1/4 of what one man could muster. You could do better! The past half year proves that this project isn't some weird scam or "random failure #12435". The ISK went to the SRP of MoA and MoA went to kill awful lot of CFC.
Did Goons gank your freighter? Did Goons steal your CSM? Did Goons evict you? Did Goons "recruit" you? Are you leveling a Raven and didn't take part in any story of New Eden?
The destruction of Goons and their minions, the creation of the greatest story since the fall of BoB is just a "right-click, send money" away. Donate!
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2134
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Posted - 2015.03.24 11:12:36 -
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Did you also de-***** the donations made by Mordus themselves ?
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kikono nai
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.03.24 11:14:39 -
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Confirming that the mighty mordus angels or whatever is totally destroying the CFC, you know, one AFK ratting Ishtar at a time.
:facepalm: |
Kalishka Ashkulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2015.03.24 11:29:21 -
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200.6B ISK gathering dust is worthless.
Why, thank you, Thing!
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Mortlake
Somalian Coast Guard Authority
277
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Posted - 2015.03.24 12:07:01 -
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Keep me updated on how this is going, please. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
2545
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:36:10 -
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kikono nai wrote:Confirming that the mighty mordus angels or whatever is totally destroying the CFC, you know, one AFK ratting Ishtar at a time.
:facepalm:
You mock now, but just you wait a couple of hundred years until they've killed all of you.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Belthazor4011
For Your Bacon Only The Marmite Collective
160
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:21:16 -
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Isn't a Mordus Angel a belt rat?
I sponsor CCP enough with my account thanks...
Also being happy with a 1 to 5 ratio? Thats almost as silly as giving the ISK to Code (I said almost! Nothing is THAT silly) |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
254
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:54:06 -
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Belthazor4011 wrote:Isn't a Mordus Angel a belt rat? I sponsor CCP enough with my account thanks... Also being happy with a 1 to 5 ratio? Thats almost as silly as giving the ISK to Code (I said almost! Nothing is THAT silly)
isnt marmite something you spread on toast?
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1183
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:57:55 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Belthazor4011 wrote:Isn't a Mordus Angel a belt rat? I sponsor CCP enough with my account thanks... Also being happy with a 1 to 5 ratio? Thats almost as silly as giving the ISK to Code (I said almost! Nothing is THAT silly) isnt marmite something you spread on toast?
As per my signature, you can spread it on other things. Even with our relations with mister Gevlon Goblin being dunked a while ago, I still feel congratulations are in order for yet another content creator bringing the best/worst out of EVE players for our and his own entertainment.
Bravo!
D.
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Belthazor4011
For Your Bacon Only The Marmite Collective
160
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:02:23 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Belthazor4011 wrote:Isn't a Mordus Angel a belt rat? I sponsor CCP enough with my account thanks... Also being happy with a 1 to 5 ratio? Thats almost as silly as giving the ISK to Code (I said almost! Nothing is THAT silly) isnt marmite something you spread on toast?
Only with Bacon, for obvious reasons |
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
863
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:06:14 -
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So 1 trillion destroyed... Yet according to Goblin's own Ratting data, Goonswarm (CONDI) killed about 3 billion isk or more worth of rats each day in February alone. That amounts to 84 bil for the month not including rental, moon, or any other source of income. So the ratting alone of one group covered half the damage. Sorry, unless you can destroy all other sources of income, this really is doing nothing but funding other people to enjoy eve.
Given That both groups in the conflict can and will enjoy the fleet fights, isn't goblin just donating to help fund the enjoyment of CFC? |
Kalishka Ashkulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2015.03.24 17:33:13 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:So 1 trillion destroyed... Yet according to Goblin's own Ratting data, Goonswarm (CONDI) killed about 3 billion isk or more worth of rats each day in February alone. That amounts to 84 bil for the month not including rental, moon, or any other source of income. So the ratting alone of one group covered half the damage. Sorry, unless you can destroy all other sources of income, this really is doing nothing but funding other people to enjoy eve.
Given That both groups in the conflict can and will enjoy the fleet fights, isn't goblin just donating to help fund the enjoyment of CFC?
Oddly enough, that's probably the case. Checking out the list of donors, a number of them are from GoonSwarm. I lol'd
Why, thank you, Thing!
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
737
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Posted - 2015.03.24 20:08:40 -
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its pretty hilarious how badly the donation board failed
hey gevlon remember when you thought that your donation board made test invincible and really the only money they earned was from funneling their own money through it to get your matching donations?
good times |
Saeger1737
Deadly Fingertips Absolute Defiance
1074
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Posted - 2015.03.24 22:46:51 -
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I smell a wardec |
Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2244
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Posted - 2015.03.24 22:53:07 -
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God damn it.
Didnt you leave EVE?
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
905
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Posted - 2015.03.24 23:09:36 -
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Obviously investment stimulates results. I heard that Mordus Angels shot goons before Gevlon donated money. Any kind of statistics showing an increase of results directly related to the inflow of money?
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Siegfried Cohenberg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.03.24 23:49:38 -
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Perhaps you would like to hire goonswarm federation to take down the villainy of the goonswarm federation. I'm quiet certain they're the best group around to do it. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
99
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Posted - 2015.03.25 00:52:59 -
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If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5235
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:13:29 -
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Danalee wrote:Even with our relations with mister Gevlon Goblin being dunked a while ago, I still feel congratulations are in order for yet another content creator bringing the best/worst out of EVE players for our and his own entertainment.] There's content creation going on? There was me thinking MoA were attacking us anyway. It's not really content creation if you are just paying someone to do something they already did. Other than filling the forum with posts like this which are inevitably doomed to be closed for trolling and/or begging on the forum, there's not much being created here.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2249
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:41:10 -
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I dont understand what all the commotion about the Moa is. It sure looks better after the revamp, but it does about the same damage and has the same EHP.
So how does gevlon's association with the Moa change the game? And who is he giving these Moa's to?
Clearly this is what all the Moa references are for. Moa. The ship. Moa.
**** you Gevlon.
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Xayder
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
334
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Posted - 2015.03.25 06:33:26 -
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Well you can spend that 200B on a decent alliance to, well you know, actualy kill there moon towers so they dont have the SRP for it
just some thoughts
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Don Purple
Snuggle Society.
1138
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Posted - 2015.03.25 07:22:09 -
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What a disgusting thought process.
Also, mordus fleets are hillarious. Last time half the members forgot to shoot.
:D
I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
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Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
314
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Posted - 2015.03.25 08:26:45 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Did you also de-***** the donations made by Mordus themselves ?
Or the donations from CFC and GSF? Yup, as we can gauge how insignificant and pointless a donation board was, we took it upon ourselves to donate ISK along the rest of the donators, who basically are: a) Gevlon b) MoA pilots
And they tell us we have no sense of humour! |
Allannon kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.03.25 08:33:41 -
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Confirmed. GSF is disbanding within the week. You have defeated us. |
xhaloboyx
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.03.25 08:41:32 -
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Let me donate to this EXEMPLARY cause. But can you just donate to me first, so I can double it for you? |
Loner Perkins
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.03.25 08:44:48 -
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I'll self-destruct for donations. |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1188
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:22:32 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Danalee wrote:Even with our relations with mister Gevlon Goblin being dunked a while ago, I still feel congratulations are in order for yet another content creator bringing the best/worst out of EVE players for our and his own entertainment.] There's content creation going on? There was me thinking MoA were attacking us anyway. It's not really content creation if you are just paying someone to do something they already did. Other than filling the forum with posts like this which are inevitably doomed to be closed for trolling and/or begging on the forum, there's not much being created here.
But... But... But... Lucaaaas!
Look at all the people united in mocking Mister Goblin? If that's not quality content for you, you are indeed quite the diva
D.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
163
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:53:00 -
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Proud to present myself on that board, although I've been donating just scraps of my income which didn't go into newbie support and projects.
Kick some gewnie tooshies for me there.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
1567
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:55:56 -
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Siegfried Cohenberg wrote:Perhaps you would like to hire goonswarm federation to take down the villainy of the goonswarm federation. I'm quite certain they're the best group around to do it. They should hire Globby for an internal investigation. I heard he had access to all sorts of important data.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2767
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:01:29 -
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Now de-***** the data from the rest of the year 2014 .Compare that with the kills since you have been sponsoring them , make a montly average and tell me how much more kill% your 200 B added.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2767
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:08:51 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe
17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has .
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1189
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Posted - 2015.03.25 12:05:04 -
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flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has .
Do you realize how hard it is to sneak up on people when you're in a huge blob? Now THAT takes skill!
D.
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Nyalnara
AdAstra. Beach Club
3
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Posted - 2015.03.25 13:06:48 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:So 1 trillion destroyed... Yet according to Goblin's own Ratting data, Goonswarm (CONDI) killed about 3 billion isk or more worth of rats each day in February alone. That amounts to 84 bil for the month not including rental, moon, or any other source of income. So the ratting alone of one group covered half the damage. Sorry, unless you can destroy all other sources of income, this really is doing nothing but funding other people to enjoy eve.
Well, was wondering... Does rental money goes to line members wallet? Does moon goo? Well, no, it doesn't, as far as i know. Thus ratting is the only real ISK making activity they have. And as far as i remember, ratting losses are not replaced through SRP.
Killing ratters does no direct damage to the coalition wallet. But it does reduce it's members numbers, as a member without ratting either stop playing or goes back to high-sec to carebear. And a coalition without members is a joke.
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Joseph Soprano
Aliastra Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2015.03.25 14:21:29 -
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flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has .
@Flakeys 'And on topic of the donation , it was a donation but probably mostly to the ''plexwafflesaccountsforthenextyears'' charity .Ah well , as long as he also invests some of it into pvp i'd say money well spend'
Isn't that what Gevlon's doing. Investing in PvP?
PS. Sorry for your loss. |
Big Lynx
1067
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Posted - 2015.03.25 16:25:44 -
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What would gevlin do without Goons? Back to WoW? |
Elliott Spitzer
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.03.25 16:44:34 -
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Nyalnara wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:So 1 trillion destroyed... Yet according to Goblin's own Ratting data, Goonswarm (CONDI) killed about 3 billion isk or more worth of rats each day in February alone. That amounts to 84 bil for the month not including rental, moon, or any other source of income. So the ratting alone of one group covered half the damage. Sorry, unless you can destroy all other sources of income, this really is doing nothing but funding other people to enjoy eve. Well, was wondering... Does rental money goes to line members wallet? Does moon goo? Well, no, it doesn't, as far as i know. Thus ratting is the only real ISK making activity they have. And as far as i remember, ratting losses are not replaced through SRP. Killing ratters does no direct damage to the coalition wallet. But it does reduce it's members numbers, as a member without ratting either stop playing or goes back to high-sec to carebear. And a coalition without members is a joke.
Except that it doesn't. Goons are not losing members because they lose a ratting ship once in awhile. It's inevitable. Your logic is just as bad as the Goblinators. If losing ratting ships reduces the number of members then Goonswarm should be failscading. Ratters in Goonswarm make more than enough isk to factor in losses, even carrier losses. Ratting isn't the only income available either, there are many other ways to make isk in Null sec, especially when your a member of an organization that helps you succeed. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2769
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Posted - 2015.03.25 19:51:03 -
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Joseph Soprano wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has . @Flakeys 'And on topic of the donation , it was a donation but probably mostly to the ''plexwafflesaccountsforthenextyears'' charity .Ah well , as long as he also invests some of it into pvp i'd say money well spend' Isn't that what Gevlon's doing. Investing in PvP? PS. Sorry for your loss.
I think you took the wrong quote from me and meant to take the one above it where i asked gevlon how much of the total kills where thanks to his investment and not this quote where a pve monkey with a shitrecord laughs at moa's pvp ability.
So assuming you meant that one then yes he is investing in pvp.The thing is he is claiming that the damage done was purely because of that investment.Now go look at the MOA killboard and look for the months before gevlon invested last year.Their best months where when he was not even investing.I am not claiming he isn't helping MOA recover their losses , i am however highly doubting that his investment in MOA is actually imrpoving the amount of kills a month as he claims they are.
I've had my share of donations to a few pvp corps over the last year , not 150 B like gevlon but at least 50B for sure , yet i would never claim they made X amount extra kills that month because of it.I see it as nothing more then making their losses less time consuming and giving them more 'fun time' on a montly base.But then i am not doing it to ''hire them against the evils of eve'' but donating spare isk so that new players who venture into their first steps in pvp can do this freely without thinking too much of the risk it involves.
Nice of you to link a reply i made in regards to that investment of around a month ago , but you should see that my remark in that thread was a smile remark as i expect most of it did go to plex's.That was a bad investment wich i hadn't had for years so i could only face it with a smile .Something you dont need to say ''sorry' for btw as it is part of the gamble one takes.If you can't handle a loss you shouldn't aim for a win .
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MASSADEATH
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
83
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Posted - 2015.03.25 21:55:22 -
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What it does allow us to do is field better ships :)
which acts like a force multiplier for us since we are mostly high SP older players.
Since we dont have any moon goo ect income sources, its a great help.
Thank you gevlon
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
751
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Posted - 2015.03.25 23:02:01 -
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lawl gevlon linked to this thread as "goon tears"
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
101
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Posted - 2015.03.26 00:53:31 -
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flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has .
OHHHHHHH SNAP!
I mostly run logi and POS's on this alt!
SNAP!
But hey good one! Don't let my 2004 alt scare you! Come say hi in fade! |
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Noragen Neirfallas
Pwn 'N Play Nulli Secunda
55
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Posted - 2015.03.26 05:14:27 -
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Danalee wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has . Do you realize how hard it is to sneak up on people when you're in a huge blob? Now THAT takes skill! D. Been there done that. Somebody ought to give me a t-shirt for that too
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5241
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Posted - 2015.03.26 08:14:22 -
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Nyalnara wrote:Well, was wondering... Does rental money goes to line members wallet? Does moon goo? Well, no, it doesn't, as far as i know. Thus ratting is the only real ISK making activity they have. And as far as i remember, ratting losses are not replaced through SRP.
Killing ratters does no direct damage to the coalition wallet. But it does reduce it's members numbers, as a member without ratting either stop playing or goes back to high-sec to carebear. And a coalition without members is a joke. Apparently you've never lived in null. Ratting is one of many methods of earning ISK in null. Hell, most people can cover personal expenses through PI alone, but there's also personal moons, trading, (a small amount of industry), explo, etc. It's pretty much the same as income streams anywhere else.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2775
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:00:33 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has . OHHHHHHH SNAP! I mostly run logi and POS's on this alt! SNAP! But hey good one! Don't let my 2004 alt scare you! Come say hi in fade! Keep on blobing!
Gosh i so didn't expect you to say 'boohoo but it's an alt , my main who i don't mention has an awsome record' .Nope totally not ... ow but i did i said my trade/research alt had more kills didn't i .. yup i did.
Talking **** about MOA is all fine and dandy but coming from the Alliance that brought us let's undock this kessie full of plex in jita what can go wrong ' and 'sure goons we'll kill our fellow titanmate if you say so' is pure gold.
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Joseph Soprano
Aliastra Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:33:05 -
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flakeys wrote:
So assuming you meant that one then yes he is investing in pvp.The thing is he is claiming that the damage done was purely because of that investment.Now go look at the MOA killboard and look for the months before gevlon invested last year.Their best months where when he was not even investing.I am not claiming he isn't helping MOA recover their losses , i am however highly doubting that his investment in MOA is actually imrpoving the amount of kills a month as he claims they are.
flakeys wrote:
Now de-***** the data from the rest of the year 2014 .Compare that with the kills since you have been sponsoring them , make a montly average and tell me how much more kill% your 200 B added.
Does this help?
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hu/2014/05/mordus-angels-data.html |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2775
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Posted - 2015.03.26 14:25:52 -
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Joseph Soprano wrote:flakeys wrote:
So assuming you meant that one then yes he is investing in pvp.The thing is he is claiming that the damage done was purely because of that investment.Now go look at the MOA killboard and look for the months before gevlon invested last year.Their best months where when he was not even investing.I am not claiming he isn't helping MOA recover their losses , i am however highly doubting that his investment in MOA is actually imrpoving the amount of kills a month as he claims they are.
flakeys wrote:
Now de-***** the data from the rest of the year 2014 .Compare that with the kills since you have been sponsoring them , make a montly average and tell me how much more kill% your 200 B added.
Does this help? http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hu/2014/05/mordus-angels-data.html
Yup , that looks like what i was aiming at and if these stats are correct then it seems GG's investment does give an increase to the total damage done.Offcourse it is hard to pinpoint it exaclty as you have to take wardeployements into account and i rrrrrrrreally don't feel like giving that a look . Unlike gevlon i absolutely hate spreadsheets .
Well if correct then it does surprise me and my assumption was wrong as to the effect GG's investment has.When you look at the killboard you will notice the total amounts killed per month give another impression but that is before that data is de-whored.As such my first look at the killboards made me think GG's investment had no influence what so ever but with the figures given it seems it does.
Still doesn't let me believe it has any reall impact on the CFC though .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
103
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Posted - 2015.03.26 22:27:17 -
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flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has . OHHHHHHH SNAP! I mostly run logi and POS's on this alt! SNAP! But hey good one! Don't let my 2004 alt scare you! Come say hi in fade! Keep on blobing! Gosh i so didn't expect you to say 'boohoo but it's an alt , my main who i don't mention has an awsome record' .Nope totally not ... ow but i did i said my trade/research alt had more kills didn't i .. yup i did. Talking **** about MOA is all fine and dandy but coming from the Alliance that brought us let's undock this kessie full of plex in jita what can go wrong ' and 'sure goons we'll kill our fellow titanmate if you say so' is pure gold.
Goons do what ever they want... pretty sure no one can stop them, so if you have a problem with goons... take it up with goons? Maybe you can donate to this legendary donation drive
As for the titan incident... he got a new one right after sooooooooooooo yeah.
But as for your elite blue blob gank of a killboard... huh, good for you! I'm not huge into zerging targets, even though i have plenty of super kills, POS kills, fleet overwhelming kills... but it doesn't mean anything. Well except we have a lot of blue friends to kill everyone |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2775
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Posted - 2015.03.27 07:32:22 -
[47] - Quote
d0cTeR9 wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe 17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has . OHHHHHHH SNAP! I mostly run logi and POS's on this alt! SNAP! But hey good one! Don't let my 2004 alt scare you! Come say hi in fade! Keep on blobing! Gosh i so didn't expect you to say 'boohoo but it's an alt , my main who i don't mention has an awsome record' .Nope totally not ... ow but i did i said my trade/research alt had more kills didn't i .. yup i did. Talking **** about MOA is all fine and dandy but coming from the Alliance that brought us let's undock this kessie full of plex in jita what can go wrong ' and 'sure goons we'll kill our fellow titanmate if you say so' is pure gold. Goons do what ever they want... pretty sure no one can stop them, so if you have a problem with goons... take it up with goons? Maybe you can donate to this legendary donation drive As for the titan incident... he got a new one right after sooooooooooooo yeah. But as for your elite blue blob gank of a killboard... huh, good for you! I'm not huge into zerging targets, even though i have plenty of super kills, POS kills, fleet overwhelming kills... but it doesn't mean anything. Well except we have a lot of blue friends to kill everyone
The one who has to awox a friend because of light suspicions and does so has a problem with goons but then they mostly have a problem as an Alliance themselves as they trust people from the outside better then their inner circle.I would call that a toxic enviremont.
So as such , nope i don't have a problem with goons , never had to do anything i didn't want to because of them so why would i ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Catalytic morphisis
Adrift and at Peace
113
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:28:31 -
[48] - Quote
YES! I've been waiting for a Bullshit gevlon post for so long! Please Amuse me with some Terrible stat manipulation and all your "Burn the infidels" crap! More graphs needed!
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
379
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Posted - 2015.03.28 07:02:47 -
[49] - Quote
Since many were curious, how the donation affected MoA, here is a chart of older MoA kills against the minions of Evil: Chart It ends with December, you can add January: 198B, February: 155B.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2776
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Posted - 2015.03.28 09:16:02 -
[50] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Since many were curious, how the donation affected MoA, here is a chart of older MoA kills against the minions of Evil: ChartIt ends with December, you can add January: 198B, February: 155B.
Still sceptical i looked at memberbase assuming that an increase in that would give a higher kb number and would again diminish the investment-effect.Oddly enough since september last year instead of an increase MOA actually had an 18.26 % decrease in members.
I'm 'allmost' inclined to believe it does have an effect ...
Ah well as long as it keeps you from posting on EN24 then it's all for a good cause ....
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:30:34 -
[51] - Quote
Hmm why the hate for gevlon?
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2281
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Posted - 2015.03.28 15:10:49 -
[52] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:Hmm why the hate for gevlon?
Because he is a ******* idiot.
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1203
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Posted - 2015.03.28 16:59:34 -
[53] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:La Rynx wrote:Hmm why the hate for gevlon? Because he is a ******* idiot.
Idiot savant? Or idiot of the plain variant? I can't imagine idiots wielding spreadsheets, graphs and pie charts like this... oh wait...
D.
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Aphsala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2015.03.28 16:59:38 -
[54] - Quote
i will invade an take over null in my venture if you donate 200b isk :D for ship replacement an fittings ofc |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
316
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Posted - 2015.03.29 12:19:34 -
[55] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Since many were curious, how the donation affected MoA, here is a chart of older MoA kills against the minions of Evil: ChartIt ends with December, you can add January: 198B, February: 155B.
Which still blissfully ignores the fluctuations of the MoA corporation numbers, and the individual member size of member corps going in and out from MoA.
Needless to say, it also ignores any change in CFC numbers and deployment activity. There are also a few more variables that has a profound effect on this, but enough with statistics.
Now, only a fool would buy the idea that the chump change you are throwing at an alliance, which is the laughing stock of anyone seriously PvP oriented in EVE, translates to a demonstration of your success.
It doesn't. I staunchly believe people who went through institutions of higher education in later stages of their lives possess an intellectual edge, ergo, it is difficult for me to believe that you can't realize this.
This is only about you, trying desperately to sell the idea that your actions in this game somehow influences the balance of power exists at a larger scale than any single individual, with perhaps, one or two famous exceptions.
Every bizarre and unsound idea coming from you, that was supposed to demonstrate your individual superiority above the other playing EVE so far, has failed catastrophically. You couldn't feasibly sustain any of your previous commitments. I now look at the donation board, and see hours and days of your personal time invested in it. Billions of ISK, farmed through bot-like activity. An investment that no one else bothers to commit to any donation board, as the realities of mathematics make is evident to everyone that a group of many will end up triumphing the effort of one.
As I was writing this, I looked at the donation board you have been doing your best for months to promote now. The inevitable truth is that no one takes your pleas for donations seriously.
For nearly three years, you have tried to show this player base that you are somewhat a better player, one with superior intellect and savvy miles beyond any other individual. You have showed previously that you manage to cope with lack of any clear success that could be attributed to you in EVE through keeping up a sustained belief that somehow, the amount of wealth you have accumulated through commitment of the majority of your time is superior to any other individual's. I remember how you seriously claimed that a high-sec mercenary alliance such as Marmite cannot afford to keep CFC war-decced all the time. Or how you claimed that just because no one else is flaunting around a mediocre amount of wealth such as yours must mean that there is no one else playing this game exceeding your wealth as they must be either seling their ISK or lying. It isn't just that you are really trying hard to deceive and con everyone into your superiority, it is also that sometimes it awkwardly seems like you are also trying hard to deceive yourself.
I have never experienced such a serious and sustained failure in my life before. Not in EVE, not in my life. I look at you now and wonder... Please do tell Gevlon, how does it feel to be in your shoes?
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Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
316
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Posted - 2015.03.29 12:51:04 -
[56] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:Hmm why the hate for gevlon?
Not hate. What I see is ridicule. Mockery. Sometimes even pity.
To put those into perspective, let me provide an example: A BNI pilot might hate a PL FC such as Grath Telkin. He has a reason to. Grath Telkin has power and is personally an instrument of that very same power being applied against BNI to the detriment of the BNI and the BNI pilot himself.
That sort of power dynamic ends up fostering hate.
Gevlon doesn't have any power. He didn't before, and most likely he won't in future either. |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1204
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:11:29 -
[57] - Quote
All sides in this debate are equally funny;
Gevlon promoting his burn all the goons schtick and his detractors (mostly goons) posting walls of text to show how little they care.
:popcorn time
D.
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Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
316
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:38:09 -
[58] - Quote
Danalee wrote:All sides in this debate are equally funny; Gevlon promoting his burn all the goons schtick and his detractors (mostly goons) posting walls of text to show how little they care. :popcorn time D.
Mathematics, projection and variables does not carry Gevlon's... schtick. Nor do they carry any alliance tag, including ours. Some of us are predisposed to argue certain points systematically and coherently.
Your personal decision to avoid demonstrating the capacity or tenaciousness to conceive does not bring certain absolutes into any doubt.
By the way, bless your heart for signing that post of yours. I couldn't possibly have hoped to figure out who penned that particular post otherwise. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2780
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Posted - 2015.03.29 14:00:09 -
[59] - Quote
Danalee wrote:All sides in this debate are equally funny; Gevlon promoting his burn all the goons schtick and his detractors (mostly goons) posting walls of text to show how little they care. :popcorn time D.
You mean like the mercthreads in here battling it out in each others threads how bad the other one is and how good they are , you know marmite and the likes .... wich kinda hurts your sides badly from laughing considering they are battling over ''the high-sec pvp trophy'' .
But then my kids also tend to fight over their crappy happy meal gifts , so i can relate to it ...
In that regard topics like these are quite in their place in crime and punishment . The cesspool of the eve forum where true heroes are self-claimed every minute , wich probably also is the reason why i like this part of the forums the most.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2780
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Posted - 2015.03.29 14:05:35 -
[60] - Quote
Alp Khan wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:Since many were curious, how the donation affected MoA, here is a chart of older MoA kills against the minions of Evil: ChartIt ends with December, you can add January: 198B, February: 155B. Which still blissfully ignores the fluctuations of the MoA corporation numbers, and the individual member size of member corps going in and out from MoA.
For a second ignoring all the rest as i'm sure gevlon has some charts laying left and right to counter whatever arguement you have , in the above regard it actually works in his favour.As i said above your post i immediatly had that ide too so i looked up their memberbase changes and since gevlon has been donating the memberbase actually went down by allmost 1/5th .
Not surprised the memberbase did went down though as the idea of fighting ''gevlons holy crusade'' , even when accidently , would leave a sour taste among many players.But then on the other side you get to kill goons so it really is choosing for the worst and best in eve when you join MOA at this point.
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Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
12
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Posted - 2015.03.29 21:42:21 -
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Looks like a solid business model for me. Also I can help Goons out of their deadly boredom.
And to the Goons. Do you guys realized that you all sound like BoB back in time. But at this time you were the underdogs. DO not get me wrong. I have nothing against that Goons & CODE. -Alts blow up Freighters and Mining Barges. I am a miner myself and build Freighters. War is hood for business and with your action you keep prizes high. And fro your good work I am willing to donate for your entertainment in 0.0. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
379
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Posted - 2015.03.30 19:24:27 -
[62] - Quote
I wonder how much Celestedella liked the fun content provided by Mordus Angels.
Do you want to save more little bees from the horrible boredom of carrier ratting? Donate!
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
381
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Posted - 2015.04.01 18:27:59 -
[63] - Quote
People believe the Goons can't be defeated without some "metagaming" plan. So I made one. Donate and make it true!
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
381
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Posted - 2015.04.03 05:44:26 -
[64] - Quote
Look, the March killboard analysis is out! MoA is yet again #1 CFC killer, with 198B damage. Sorry We're In Your Space Eh did 96B.
How much the "Fountain invaders" did? DARKNESS.: 65B Northern Associates.: 22B Northern Coalition.: 99B Nulli Secunda: 42B The Kadeshi: 57B
And this is during an "invasion". I hope you see who is the real enemy of CFC!
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Don Purple
Snuggle Society.
1151
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Posted - 2015.04.03 06:51:10 -
[65] - Quote
I assume you are half decent with numbers? Show me a chart of your targets projected income and then show me the damage done in isk.
A smart bomb ratter can clear 8b a day with 5 toons If he or she works hard.
I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2191
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Posted - 2015.04.03 08:11:57 -
[66] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:MoA is yet again #1 CFC killer, with 198B damage. Sorry We're In Your Space Eh did 96B. Today I was the only one who got coffee at work while smiling at this beautiful new Eve day.
Tora Bushido : The #1 smiling coffee drinker at my work! So awesome....... get my point ?
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Royally
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
7
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Posted - 2015.04.03 15:02:07 -
[67] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:MoA is yet again #1 CFC killer, with 198B damage. Sorry We're In Your Space Eh did 96B. Today I was the only one who got coffee at work while smiling at this beautiful new Eve day. Tora Bushido : The #1 smiling coffee drinker at my work! So awesome....... get my point ?
Yes.... Be proud.... That is actually a pathetic and petty comment to reply to a simple fact with figures posted, Just because you dont like what it says.
It'd be like the US losing out on the Iran deal, but then stating they "reduced accidents in the district of columbia by 7%!" As if that would have any correlation to each other.
You may very well be the #1 smiling coffee drinker at work! But how high you value that, and what you compare it to is your own opinion, it is not a "point" you can make, as its entirely subjective. Trying to make your opinions sound like facts so that other people may adopt them sounds rather sad, doesnt it?
p.s. See what I did there? |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5286
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Posted - 2015.04.03 17:04:34 -
[68] - Quote
Royally wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:MoA is yet again #1 CFC killer, with 198B damage. Sorry We're In Your Space Eh did 96B. Today I was the only one who got coffee at work while smiling at this beautiful new Eve day. Tora Bushido : The #1 smiling coffee drinker at my work! So awesome....... get my point ? Yes.... Be proud.... That is actually a pathetic and petty comment to reply to a simple fact with figures posted, Just because you dont like what it says. It'd be like the US losing out on the Iran deal, but then stating they "reduced accidents in the district of columbia by 7%!" As if that would have any correlation to each other. You may very well be the #1 smiling coffee drinker at work! But how high you value that, and what you compare it to is your own opinion, it is not a "point" you can make, as its entirely subjective. Trying to make your opinions sound like facts so that other people may adopt them sounds rather sad, doesnt it? p.s. See what I did there? In the same way though, how high you MoA guys value your ability to shoot ratters and needing funded SRP even to accomplish that is your opinion. It amuses me that you guys need billions a month in completely free income to still not even make a dent in the CFC, yet seem to assume you're relevant.
I believe Tora's point is that being the #1 CFC killer (which AFAIK you aren't as N3 killed 358b) is irrelevant since you're comparing yourself on a metric that only you are aiming to achieve. It's always possible to be #1 at something if you choose the right something, it just doesn't mean anything.
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Royally
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
7
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Posted - 2015.04.03 22:17:19 -
[69] - Quote
I never quite got that obsession with "relevance". Its quite silly to consider anything that happens in a game "relevant". But even in the way you mean it, who says we do? We're just playing the game, we arent the ones throwing around terms like "relevant", thats you guys.
We dont need any donations, as the people actually playing with us are usually self sufficient, but who would we be to decline.
I was also saddened to see the big SMA adios MOA timer count to zero and do nothing.... Also, N3 is a coalition, not an alliance. Yet another sterling example of comparing apples with fried chickens to make a point.
This would be the timer in question by the way, slightly off topic: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/retirement?iso=20150403T00&p0=211&fg1=ff605a&fg2=80c2da%27# |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5287
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Posted - 2015.04.03 22:31:24 -
[70] - Quote
Royally wrote:We're just playing the game, we arent the ones throwing around terms like "relevant", thats you guys. Lol? Are you serious? You know what alliance you are in, right? All you guys do is whine about how relevant you think you are.
Royally wrote:We dont need any donations, as the people actually playing with us are usually self sufficient, but who would we be to decline. Of course you do, otherwise your activity wouldn't have such a sharp rise from the donations Gevlon gives you, which he himself has evidenced. Without those donations you'd probably have collapsed long ago, because let's face it, your leadership is pretty dire.
Royally wrote:I was also saddened to see the big SMA adios MOA timer count to zero and do nothing.... And?
Royally wrote:Also, N3 is a coalition, not an alliance. Yet another sterling example of comparing apples with fried chickens to make a point. Funny, since it states #1 killer, not #1 alliance. It's not my fault you have no friends. That would be your amateur leadership, and the fact that you are propped up by gobbo.
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Syds Sinclair
Nazca Industries Imperium Galactic Empire
245
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Posted - 2015.04.04 03:26:19 -
[71] - Quote
..I liked the part where Gevlon gave away trillions of ISK. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
962
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Posted - 2015.04.04 04:32:35 -
[72] - Quote
Thanks for funding them Gevlon. It's always good to know that, no matter how long of a break I may take from Eve, when I come back, there will be MoA running around Deklein for me to kick the dust off.
They're at least getting a little better at spotting obvious bait. |
Gericht
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
1
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Posted - 2015.04.04 05:52:12 -
[73] - Quote
Interestingly Gevlon's numbers show that ever since he started his campaign the losses of the CFC are around 3T Isk/month +/- .3 T or so. It doesn't matter wether it is peace or war. Wether the marmite contract was up or down. The move ops pre-phoebe when southwest was evacuated..... The loss is exactly the same. Which is kinda odd, you'd expect the losses during wars to be higher. I'm guessing AFK ratting does go down during stratops to compensate.
Of course it also shows something Gevlon avoids talking about. That monthly loss number has NO effect on the CFC at all. There is no significant loss of members, there is no change in what type of blinged ratting ships sit AFK in anoms and there is no effect on the coalition's ability to defend it's space. If anything his donations allow for more fights, which is what tends to keep people logging in, which is the opposite effect of what he wants to achieve. You'd say that someone who spends so much time doing statistics would notice this trend, but a personal blind spot seems to cover that. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2197
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Posted - 2015.04.04 11:35:08 -
[74] - Quote
Looking on the bright side of war. People are getting free isks, propaganda and people to shoot at. \/
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Syds Sinclair
Nazca Industries Imperium Galactic Empire
246
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Posted - 2015.04.04 17:25:39 -
[75] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:Looking on the bright side of war. People are getting free isks, propaganda and people to shoot at. \ /
..AND a village idiot to ridicule! |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
2635
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Posted - 2015.04.04 20:24:00 -
[76] - Quote
Gericht wrote:Interestingly Gevlon's numbers show that ever since he started his campaign the losses of the CFC are around 3T Isk/month +/- .3 T or so. It doesn't matter wether it is peace or war. Wether the marmite contract was up or down. The move ops pre-phoebe when southwest was evacuated..... The loss is exactly the same. Which is kinda odd, you'd expect the losses during wars to be higher. I'm guessing AFK ratting does go down during stratops to compensate.
Of course it also shows something Gevlon avoids talking about. That monthly loss number has NO effect on the CFC at all. There is no significant loss of members, there is no change in what type of blinged ratting ships sit AFK in anoms and there is no effect on the coalition's ability to defend it's space. If anything his donations allow for more fights, which is what tends to keep people logging in, which is the opposite effect of what he wants to achieve. You'd say that someone who spends so much time doing statistics would notice this trend, but a personal blind spot seems to cover that.
But Gevlon has... *awed gasp* graphs.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
386
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Posted - 2015.04.05 20:04:36 -
[77] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:Today I was the only one who got coffee at work while smiling at this beautiful new Eve day.
Tora Bushido : The #1 smiling coffee drinker at my work! So awesome....... get my point ?
Sure. Few months ago you were #1 CFC killer, but then you lost your cool and now all you have left is being #1 coffee drinker.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
979
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Posted - 2015.04.05 20:26:39 -
[78] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Today I was the only one who got coffee at work while smiling at this beautiful new Eve day.
Tora Bushido : The #1 smiling coffee drinker at my work! So awesome....... get my point ?
Sure. Few months ago you were #1 CFC killer, but then you lost your cool and now all you have left is being #1 coffee drinker. Hey, what the hell is wrong with drinking coffee? And damn Tora, how much coffee do you drink to take the number one spot from me? |
Syds Sinclair
Nazca Industries Imperium Galactic Empire
247
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Posted - 2015.04.05 20:43:29 -
[79] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Today I was the only one who got coffee at work while smiling at this beautiful new Eve day.
Tora Bushido : The #1 smiling coffee drinker at my work! So awesome....... get my point ?
Sure. Few months ago you were #1 CFC killer, but then you lost your cool and now all you have left is being #1 coffee drinker.
..Say what you want about this pointlessly hilarious Grrr Goons endeavor, but this right here is some good smack talk, Gevlon.
No matter how hard you try, there is a bit of social in you after all. |
Berrik Radhok
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2015.04.06 04:59:20 -
[80] - Quote
Gevlon isn't the first crazy neckbeard to promise death to goons, and he won't be the last. |
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2794
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Posted - 2015.04.06 07:03:44 -
[81] - Quote
Berrik Radhok wrote:Gevlon isn't the first crazy neckbeard to promise death to goons, and he won't be the last.
Wich reminds me , what was the name of that one guy who sat cloaked in VFK for months last year being thrilled at killing a handfull of T1 haulers and shuttles.He was entertaining on the forums ... and annoying as hell .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Paranoid Loyd
4544
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Posted - 2015.04.06 17:02:04 -
[82] - Quote
flakeys wrote:Berrik Radhok wrote:Gevlon isn't the first crazy neckbeard to promise death to goons, and he won't be the last. Wich reminds me , what was the name of that one guy who sat cloaked in VFK for months last year being thrilled at killing a handfull of T1 haulers and shuttles.He was entertaining on the forums ... and annoying as hell . Harry Forever
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
981
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Posted - 2015.04.07 01:02:18 -
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flakeys wrote:Berrik Radhok wrote:Gevlon isn't the first crazy neckbeard to promise death to goons, and he won't be the last. Wich reminds me , what was the name of that one guy who sat cloaked in VFK for months last year being thrilled at killing a handfull of T1 haulers and shuttles.He was entertaining on the forums ... and annoying as hell . At least Harry actually attacked Deklein. That's more than most of the grr Goons crowd can claim. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.04.07 09:26:33 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:flakeys wrote:Berrik Radhok wrote:Gevlon isn't the first crazy neckbeard to promise death to goons, and he won't be the last. Wich reminds me , what was the name of that one guy who sat cloaked in VFK for months last year being thrilled at killing a handfull of T1 haulers and shuttles.He was entertaining on the forums ... and annoying as hell . At least Harry actually attacked Deklein. That's more than most of the grr Goons crowd can claim.
You are right there .He was more of a village idiot then gevlon though as gevlon at least has the small amount of brains needed to work the market , speaking of own experience here , wich is something harry lacked big time as he showed with his one and only thread in market discussion BUT harry was there all by himself in null-sec trying to 'make a difference ' where as gevlon sits in the safety of a station enviremont trying to do the same.
Still , if you look at it from a point of 'making a difference' most would see it as i do that both don't 'do the job enough' but gevlons approach is far more effective.I'm sure gevlon will be busy pointing that out yet again with some new graphs , spreadsheets and more boring crap seeing the recent victory MOA and friends has over the CFC .
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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
9100
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Posted - 2015.04.07 09:33:56 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:So 1 trillion destroyed... Yet according to Goblin's own Ratting data, Goonswarm (CONDI) killed about 3 billion isk or more worth of rats each day in February alone. That amounts to 84 bil for the month not including rental, moon, or any other source of income. So the ratting alone of one group covered half the damage. Sorry, unless you can destroy all other sources of income, this really is doing nothing but funding other people to enjoy eve.
Given That both groups in the conflict can and will enjoy the fleet fights, isn't goblin just donating to help fund the enjoyment of CFC?
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EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2201
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Posted - 2015.04.07 09:45:21 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Today I was the only one who got coffee at work while smiling at this beautiful new Eve day.
Tora Bushido : The #1 smiling coffee drinker at my work! So awesome....... get my point ?
Sure. Few months ago you were #1 CFC killer, but then you lost your cool and now all you have left is being #1 coffee drinker. You see.... if I put my mind to something, I'll go for the #1 spot every time To bad, you didnt see the point.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.04.07 14:46:28 -
[87] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Today I was the only one who got coffee at work while smiling at this beautiful new Eve day.
Tora Bushido : The #1 smiling coffee drinker at my work! So awesome....... get my point ?
Sure. Few months ago you were #1 CFC killer, but then you lost your cool and now all you have left is being #1 coffee drinker. You see.... if I put my mind to something, I'll go for the #1 spot every time To bad, you didnt see the point.
You could try it with a touch of ''van gaal's '' next time
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5292
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Posted - 2015.04.07 14:46:30 -
[88] - Quote
Buhhdust Princess wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:So 1 trillion destroyed... Yet according to Goblin's own Ratting data, Goonswarm (CONDI) killed about 3 billion isk or more worth of rats each day in February alone. That amounts to 84 bil for the month not including rental, moon, or any other source of income. So the ratting alone of one group covered half the damage. Sorry, unless you can destroy all other sources of income, this really is doing nothing but funding other people to enjoy eve.
Given That both groups in the conflict can and will enjoy the fleet fights, isn't goblin just donating to help fund the enjoyment of CFC? Because 84bil is half of 1 trillion :) And 1 month is equal to 6 months, right? Next level genius we have here people.
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Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.04.07 18:04:32 -
[89] - Quote
My favorite grr goons player was tookar, because a) he had the balls to come do it personally and b) he only ever used T1 frigates (and still got kills). |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
387
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Posted - 2015.04.08 04:28:08 -
[90] - Quote
Berrik Radhok wrote:My favorite grr goons player was tookar, because a) he had the balls to come do it personally and b) he only ever used T1 frigates (and still got kills). No doubt he was your favorite. He killed a few frigs, maybe an industrial now and then. A bit less than the trillions CFC lost to my wardecs and the increased activity of MoA and now -EH- coming from the SRP.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5298
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Posted - 2015.04.08 07:28:30 -
[91] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Berrik Radhok wrote:My favorite grr goons player was tookar, because a) he had the balls to come do it personally and b) he only ever used T1 frigates (and still got kills). No doubt he was your favorite. He killed a few frigs, maybe an industrial now and then. A bit less than the trillions CFC lost to my wardecs and the increased activity of MoA and now -EH- coming from the SRP. You're my favourite. It's much nicer when someone else is paying your content to fly to you rather than you having to fly to it, and it all being done without losing anything important is always great. You always have to worry that someone will pay a competent group to attack you, but in this case we hit the jackpot and got MoA. That thing you do too, where you take stats, make up unrelated conclusions then pat yourself on the back, that's great for the comedic value as well. The only thing you're missing is the Harry Forever level of forum shiptoasting, so work on that buddy, k?
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Gericht
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
3
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Posted - 2015.04.08 16:07:17 -
[92] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Berrik Radhok wrote:My favorite grr goons player was tookar, because a) he had the balls to come do it personally and b) he only ever used T1 frigates (and still got kills). No doubt he was your favorite. He killed a few frigs, maybe an industrial now and then. A bit less than the trillions CFC lost to my wardecs and the increased activity of MoA and now -EH- coming from the SRP.
Actually, once your wardecs stopped the cfc losses did not diminish in any way (its in your own graphs). That would suggest you might as well NOT have paid for those at all. In fact, your use of statistics and analysis should be used for anyone interested in how to NOT use statistics correctly/ |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
388
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Posted - 2015.04.09 04:49:56 -
[93] - Quote
Who is winning, SMA or MoA? Posters say SMA. Numbers disagree.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5312
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Posted - 2015.04.09 10:00:50 -
[94] - Quote
Really depends on how you define winning. We're being fed content with little to no risk of actually losing anything important and it's being paid for by someone who's so mad they spend every day of their real life posting up articles about how evil we are. And all while the vast majority of us continue to roll around in more than enough ISK to keep us occupied until the end of time.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2344
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Posted - 2015.04.09 11:46:38 -
[95] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Berrik Radhok wrote:My favorite grr goons player was tookar, because a) he had the balls to come do it personally and b) he only ever used T1 frigates (and still got kills). No doubt he was your favorite. He killed a few frigs, maybe an industrial now and then. A bit less than the trillions CFC lost to my wardecs and the increased activity of MoA and now -EH- coming from the SRP.
Yeah, you caused so much damage that you forced the goons to pay out SRP+10%.
I bet that really hurt a few people.
You don't get this game. Go back to WOW where your gold cap is something people care about.
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Akballah Kassan
Zeura Brotherhood Mordus Angels
1
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Posted - 2015.04.09 11:57:15 -
[96] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Really depends on how you define winning. We're being fed content . . . . . .
Well if content is being fed to you perhaps you should take it upon yourself to take advantage of it, because looking at your killboard you sure as hell haven't bothered so far.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5313
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Posted - 2015.04.09 13:01:22 -
[97] - Quote
Akballah Kassan wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Really depends on how you define winning. We're being fed content . . . . . . Well if content is being fed to you perhaps you should take it upon yourself to take advantage of it, because looking at your killboard you sure as hell haven't bothered so far. Indeed, the only time this char (being primarily industrial/trading) takes to PvP is as logi, and that doesn't generate killmails. Luckily, some of us don't actually care where zkb ranks us.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2691
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Posted - 2015.04.09 14:58:01 -
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Nyalnara wrote: Well, was wondering... Does rental money goes to line members wallet? Does moon goo? Well, no, it doesn't, as far as i know. Thus ratting is the only real ISK making activity they have. And as far as i remember, ratting losses are not replaced through SRP.
In a round about way yes. But only for the people who PVP. A fully fit sabre the way I fly them costs about ~75m. If I die in one I get 100M from alliance SRP which means I made 25m just for blowing up. I lost a 50m isk confessor the other day and made 50 mil off of it. Note to self: Buy another confessor.
This also assumes everything they killed was a ratter. It probably isn't the case. Any PVP ship losses incurred ******* about with MOA results in money being dumped directly onto the pilots head, generally this works out to at worst break even. |
Don Purple
Snuggle Society.
1165
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Posted - 2015.04.10 06:28:43 -
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will do spreadsheets for isk \o/ I warn you all my spreadsheets have purple graphs.. my boss gets confused.
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Antylus Tyrell
Uedama Artisan Jams
8
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Posted - 2015.04.10 06:42:44 -
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Don Purple wrote:will do spreadsheets for isk \o/ I warn you all my spreadsheets have purple graphs.. my boss gets confused.
Must need them to keep track of the alts you use to pad your KB |
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2803
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Posted - 2015.04.10 08:05:00 -
[101] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Akballah Kassan wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Really depends on how you define winning. We're being fed content . . . . . . Well if content is being fed to you perhaps you should take it upon yourself to take advantage of it, because looking at your killboard you sure as hell haven't bothered so far. Indeed, the only time this char (being primarily industrial/trading) takes to PvP is as logi, and that doesn't generate killmails. Luckily, some of us don't actually care where zkb ranks us.
Depends , if your mostly talking about how awsome your Alliance is at pvp and how others suck bananas the point comes across better if you do it with a character who doesn't give the impression you yourself are nothing more then a leecher of said Alliance.A bit like saying your group is awsome and the others suck big time while in the same week your group lost a hell of a lot more versus that 'sucky group' while you also outnumbered them twice.
But then it's internet spaceships so even if your point is made or not , it's as relevant as to talk about what kind of turd you left at the toilet that morning.
Speaking of wich , i need to go to the toilet ...
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.10 09:53:52 -
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flakeys wrote:Depends , if your mostly talking about how awsome your Alliance is at pvp and how others suck bananas the point comes across better if you do it with a character who doesn't give the impression you yourself are nothing more then a leecher of said Alliance.A bit like saying your group is awsome and the others suck big time while in the same week your group lost a hell of a lot more versus that 'sucky group' while you also outnumbered them twice. We're not though, are we? At no point have I stated how awesome my alliance is at PvP. What's being addressed here is this mysterious "winning at EVE" metric, which varies from player to player - as far as I'm concerned while I continue to roll around in a ludicrous amount of isk and am able to enjoy playing the game in any way I wish, I'm winning at EVE. This thread is here to insult and ridicule players who still continue to enjoy playing because they've lost some ships to PvP, and it's put up by a player who actively refuses to participate in PvP because he considers players who do that to be morons.
At the end of the day, we play the game for entertainment, and the creation and destruction of ships is a massive part of that. If someone else wants to pay for a group to generate more of that entertainment, great! Stretching graphs and bending stats to try to show it as anything more than raw content though is incredibly dumb. People know this, and rather than try to counter properly, or even just agreeing that this is all just content creation, the even weaker choice is made to attack an industrialists killboard stats, like that somehow renders the point moot.
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Posted - 2015.04.10 10:18:48 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:flakeys wrote:Depends , if your mostly talking about how awsome your Alliance is at pvp and how others suck bananas the point comes across better if you do it with a character who doesn't give the impression you yourself are nothing more then a leecher of said Alliance.A bit like saying your group is awsome and the others suck big time while in the same week your group lost a hell of a lot more versus that 'sucky group' while you also outnumbered them twice. We're not though, are we? At no point have I stated how awesome my alliance is at PvP. What's being addressed here is this mysterious "winning at EVE" metric, which varies from player to player - as far as I'm concerned while I continue to roll around in a ludicrous amount of isk and am able to enjoy playing the game in any way I wish, I'm winning at EVE. This thread is here to insult and ridicule players who still continue to enjoy playing because they've lost some ships to PvP, and it's put up by a player who actively refuses to participate in PvP because he considers players who do that to be morons. At the end of the day, we play the game for entertainment, and the creation and destruction of ships is a massive part of that. If someone else wants to pay for a group to generate more of that entertainment, great! Stretching graphs and bending stats to try to show it as anything more than raw content though is incredibly dumb. People know this, and rather than try to counter properly, or even just agreeing that this is all just content creation, the even weaker choice is made to attack an industrialists killboard stats, like that somehow renders the point moot.
Yes you are :
d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe
That's your Alliance mate's words , yours are just how terrible MOA is.He btw also had the excuse of posting on a pve toon.
Would be fun to have someone from SMA who's kb actually shows some pvp ability would post.That is assuming you have anyone with that ....
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5315
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Posted - 2015.04.10 10:38:52 -
[104] - Quote
flakeys wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:flakeys wrote:Depends , if your mostly talking about how awsome your Alliance is at pvp and how others suck bananas the point comes across better if you do it with a character who doesn't give the impression you yourself are nothing more then a leecher of said Alliance.A bit like saying your group is awsome and the others suck big time while in the same week your group lost a hell of a lot more versus that 'sucky group' while you also outnumbered them twice. We're not though, are we? At no point have I stated how awesome my alliance is at PvP. What's being addressed here is this mysterious "winning at EVE" metric, which varies from player to player - as far as I'm concerned while I continue to roll around in a ludicrous amount of isk and am able to enjoy playing the game in any way I wish, I'm winning at EVE. This thread is here to insult and ridicule players who still continue to enjoy playing because they've lost some ships to PvP, and it's put up by a player who actively refuses to participate in PvP because he considers players who do that to be morons. At the end of the day, we play the game for entertainment, and the creation and destruction of ships is a massive part of that. If someone else wants to pay for a group to generate more of that entertainment, great! Stretching graphs and bending stats to try to show it as anything more than raw content though is incredibly dumb. People know this, and rather than try to counter properly, or even just agreeing that this is all just content creation, the even weaker choice is made to attack an industrialists killboard stats, like that somehow renders the point moot. Yes you are : d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe That's your Alliance mate's words , yours are just how terrible MOA is.He btw also had the excuse of posting on a pve toon. How in any way is that me? Or do I have to be personally responsible for everything said by anyone in my alliance?
flakeys wrote:Would be fun to have someone from SMA who's kb actually shows some pvp ability would post.That is assuming you have anyone with that .... lol, so I take it from the tone you're quite biased in where you stand here. Quite honestly I don't care who posts, whether you feel they have PvP ability or not. MOA are constantly jumping up and down about how superior they are while they have to be propped up by donations, yet I should for some reason feel bad because nobody from my alliance with a kb that you like wants to post in a troll thread?
I stand by my original point. MOA provide entertaining content as I hope we do to them and that's as far as the interaction extends. If a third party wants to pay for that, great, but it doesn't mean anything beyond entertaining content.
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Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.04.10 10:52:19 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:flakeys wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:flakeys wrote:Depends , if your mostly talking about how awsome your Alliance is at pvp and how others suck bananas the point comes across better if you do it with a character who doesn't give the impression you yourself are nothing more then a leecher of said Alliance.A bit like saying your group is awsome and the others suck big time while in the same week your group lost a hell of a lot more versus that 'sucky group' while you also outnumbered them twice. We're not though, are we? At no point have I stated how awesome my alliance is at PvP. What's being addressed here is this mysterious "winning at EVE" metric, which varies from player to player - as far as I'm concerned while I continue to roll around in a ludicrous amount of isk and am able to enjoy playing the game in any way I wish, I'm winning at EVE. This thread is here to insult and ridicule players who still continue to enjoy playing because they've lost some ships to PvP, and it's put up by a player who actively refuses to participate in PvP because he considers players who do that to be morons. At the end of the day, we play the game for entertainment, and the creation and destruction of ships is a massive part of that. If someone else wants to pay for a group to generate more of that entertainment, great! Stretching graphs and bending stats to try to show it as anything more than raw content though is incredibly dumb. People know this, and rather than try to counter properly, or even just agreeing that this is all just content creation, the even weaker choice is made to attack an industrialists killboard stats, like that somehow renders the point moot. Yes you are : d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe That's your Alliance mate's words , yours are just how terrible MOA is.He btw also had the excuse of posting on a pve toon. How in any way is that me? Or do I have to be personally responsible for everything said by anyone in my alliance?
You said we
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2803
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Posted - 2015.04.10 10:58:02 -
[106] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:flakeys wrote:Would be fun to have someone from SMA who's kb actually shows some pvp ability would post.That is assuming you have anyone with that .... lol, so I take it from the tone you're quite biased in where you stand here. Quite honestly I don't care who posts, whether you feel they have PvP ability or not. MOA are constantly jumping up and down about how superior they are while they have to be propped up by donations, yet I should for some reason feel bad because nobody from my alliance with a kb that you like wants to post in a troll thread? I stand by my original point. MOA provide entertaining content as I hope we do to them and that's as far as the interaction extends. If a third party wants to pay for that, great, but it doesn't mean anything beyond entertaining content.
I agree on the cfontent part and that in the end is the only thing that matters.Don't call me biased though , i have laughed and ridiculed gevlon enough times in this and other threads but why would i pass on ridiculing someone else who starts to show the same grandeure ?I gotta spend my time too eh , trolling is just one of many ways to do that.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5315
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Posted - 2015.04.10 11:00:03 -
[107] - Quote
flakeys wrote:You said we Yes, "we". "We" as in those of us that were talking. You responded to a discussion between myself and Akballah Kassan about how he believe my opinion means nothing as my character has little activity on zkb and how I disagree and don't even remotely care about killboard stats. What "we" were talking about is that ever unattainable definition of winning at EVE.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.10 11:04:35 -
[108] - Quote
flakeys wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:flakeys wrote:Would be fun to have someone from SMA who's kb actually shows some pvp ability would post.That is assuming you have anyone with that .... lol, so I take it from the tone you're quite biased in where you stand here. Quite honestly I don't care who posts, whether you feel they have PvP ability or not. MOA are constantly jumping up and down about how superior they are while they have to be propped up by donations, yet I should for some reason feel bad because nobody from my alliance with a kb that you like wants to post in a troll thread? I stand by my original point. MOA provide entertaining content as I hope we do to them and that's as far as the interaction extends. If a third party wants to pay for that, great, but it doesn't mean anything beyond entertaining content. I agree on the cfontent part and that in the end is the only thing that matters.Don't call me biased though , i have laughed and ridiculed gevlon enough times in this and other threads but why would i pass on ridiculing someone else who starts to show the same grandeure ?I gotta spend my time too eh , trolling is just one of many ways to do that . Glad to hear it. If anything has come across as grandeur, I apologise, that was not intentional.
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Royally
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
9
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Posted - 2015.04.10 13:00:19 -
[109] - Quote
To give them credit, if we are going the route of "efficiency" again, then SMA is the best opponent we're fighting, as our "efficiency" against them is only 70%.... GSF, FC and the likes are all worse. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
396
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Posted - 2015.04.11 14:48:17 -
[110] - Quote
The Midget Ani (obviously a troll reference for The Mittani) donated 10B for the glorious cause! That's almost as much as my donation this month!
Follow this example people and the Evil will be cleansed from New Eden!
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Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.04.11 16:27:06 -
[111] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:The Midget Ani (obviously a troll reference for The Mittani) donated 10B for the glorious cause! That's almost as much as my donation this month! Follow this example people and the Evil will be cleansed from New Eden!
Wow, the first donation from someone else since September! The donation board is really a success. :)
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Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
13
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Posted - 2015.04.12 07:24:47 -
[112] - Quote
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:The Midget Ani (obviously a troll reference for The Mittani) donated 10B for the glorious cause! That's almost as much as my donation this month! Follow this example people and the Evil will be cleansed from New Eden! Wow, the first donation from someone else since September! The donation board is really a success. :) I donated also 50 Millions. All for your fun and entertainment. So be happen that people provide you with content and be more thankful.
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Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.04.12 07:50:06 -
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I'm sure that MoA would try to kill me even if there were no donations at all. Also, I've yet to come in contact with them besides that one time some of them were crying in local about CFC blobbing.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
8486
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Posted - 2015.04.12 08:39:48 -
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Big Lynx wrote:What would gevlin do without Goons? Back to WoW?
Be institutionalized, I reckon?
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Sykaotic
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2015.04.12 17:00:08 -
[115] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Big Lynx wrote:What would gevlin do without Goons? Back to WoW? Be institutionalized, I reckon?
That would make him one of the cute lil bees that already play wow lmao
My guess to the question is he could rarely log in and be a d.j. lol.
In the meantime, the dude is atleast providing content to the line members (unless you count the 4 dudes in the wormhole).
GL and watch out for the pesticide trucks.
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Catalytic morphisis
Freelance Asset Relocation Team
114
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Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:The Midget Ani (obviously a troll reference for The Mittani) donated 10B for the glorious cause! That's almost as much as my donation this month! Follow this example people and the Evil will be cleansed from New Eden! Wow, the first donation from someone else since September! The donation board is really a success. :)
and whats betting its the Mittani on an Alt just to give gevlon the sense of achievement
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
396
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Posted - 2015.04.13 19:58:21 -
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The 1 day old character YuhuAlosMOA OverlodeaPri (obviously as a representative of its corp Yuhu al Medio - Overlodea Primo) donated 8B.
Many on the donation board are from MoA. They help their mates who hate PvE and spend all their time killing CFC. Would you donate the proceeds of a few days of ratting for the SRP fund of your own alliance? Or would you just line up for SRP? This is why MoA and similar "NPC trash" will win: their members are volunteers, donating their time and sometimes their ISK, while the CFC members are quasi-renters: they are in for the ratting rights and the risk-free killmails (they don't risk their ships, as it's SRP-ed).
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Catalytic morphisis
Freelance Asset Relocation Team
115
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Posted - 2015.04.14 07:32:39 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:The 1 day old character YuhuAlosMOA OverlodeaPri (obviously as a representative of its corp Yuhu al Medio - Overlodea Primo) donated 8B.
Many on the donation board are from MoA. They help their mates who hate PvE and spend all their time killing CFC. Would you donate the proceeds of a few days of ratting for the SRP fund of your own alliance? Or would you just line up for SRP? This is why MoA and similar "NPC trash" will win: their members are volunteers, donating their time and sometimes their ISK, while the CFC members are quasi-renters: they are in for the ratting rights and the risk-free killmails (they don't risk their ships, as it's SRP-ed). CFC Members don't need to fund their own SRP due to alliance tax and Passive Moon goo ISK thats made, And they have pretty much the best SRP going, which can be afforded indefinitely, so I doubt MoA win in terms of SRP
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2695
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Posted - 2015.04.14 22:08:30 -
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The problem ultimately is that this scheme is touted as a method to "Beat Goons", the problem is the stuff MOA does is pretty much inconsequential to the greater ID of your average Goonswarm/CFC pilot. It's not beating us, and the closest it comes to generating actual tears is those of us interested in the sociological aspects of eve making hurfy effortposts on the evo forums.
It basically boils down to the same problem that most of our space enemies run into when they face us, they are playing a spaceship simulator where each fight matters and goals are decided to the explosions of spaceships, and all other considerations either be damned or are completely inconsequential. Nothing could be further from the case. You can't really can't chalk up a win in eve online by blowing up a spaceship, because we exist in a realm of nearly infinite resource that spaceship can often be replaced, oftentimes within moments of it blowing up. You want to chalk up a win? You have to beat the player. Not his ship.
This takes a completely different mindset than that offered by most of what we call "Elite PVP" operations. I'll include MOA on that list, just for giggles. They are all about killboard efficiency and removing a ship from a grid, which puts a minor stress on an individual pilot, but that's all. It's short lived. It barely even has an effect on regional stats. What is more deadly to morale, the occasional dead ratting ship? Or the feeling that your fate is entirely out of your hands, and that your own space is inherently unsafe? General malaise wins every time when combating a player organization.
Wake me up when you've managed to cut the daily rats killed tally in deklein by 50%. That would have a far greater effect on linemember Morale than the occasional dead Ishtar. I know how to do this, and I could do it with about 12 motivated guys and some alts. The fact that no one else is clever enough to figure it out honestly worries me sometime. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
396
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Posted - 2015.04.15 15:39:43 -
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You make the mistake of generalizing your experience instead of gathering proper data. The CFC loses about 3T/month. If we assume 30K active accounts in the CFC that means 100M loss for each. Which is indeed irrelevant for anyone who are like you. From this you make the assumption that it's irrelevant for everyone. Hint: just because your kitchen locker has more cake than you can eat, it's not surely a good idea to reply "let them eat cake" to people who whine about being hungry.
There are 3 observable facts that hint that it's not the case: - Deklein has more ratting than any other region in nullsec. Which means line Goons rat. Do you rat? Because I sure don't and laugh on anyone who presses buttons for pitiful 50M/hour income. - The 100M/month/account losses include ratting and hauler losses, so PvP losses must be lower. Yet people don't laugh off those losses (as you or I would), but ask for SRP. I doubt if the CFC leadership bothers with the paperwork just for fun. They realized that these "irrelevant" payouts increase fleet participation. - Recently I see CFC fighting in Harpies. I guess this is my punishment from BoB for calling Drakes cheap.
My point is that - unlike you - the average CFC line pilot is poor as dirt. Therefore blowing his non-SRP ratting, mining or hauling ship will inflict significant loss to him, something he can only replace by endless hours of shooting red crosses. Inflict enough losses on him and he leaves CFC or the game.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2015.04.15 17:49:18 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:
Wake me up when you've managed to cut the daily rats killed tally in deklein by 50%. That would have a far greater effect on linemember Morale than the occasional dead Ishtar. I know how to do this, and I could do it with about 12 motivated guys and some alts. The fact that no one else is clever enough to figure it out honestly worries me sometime.
I assume many afk 23/7 cyno alts would be involved. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2697
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Posted - 2015.04.15 22:54:27 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:There are 3 observable facts that hint that it's not the case: - Deklein has more ratting than any other region in nullsec. Which means line Goons rat. Do you rat? Because I sure don't and laugh on anyone who presses buttons for pitiful 50M/hour income.
Do I rat? No. Have I ratted? Yes. 50M hour doesn't sound like much, but it's honestly closer to 75m/h. Still not much I agree. But you are failing to take into account that this is almost entirely AFK income. I can do it at work having to only check it every 30 minutes or so. Active ratters are making an order of magnitude higher than that, but AFK is the preferred because it's the lowest effort bang for buck that doesn't involve actually running a bot. A few clever people are running carrier ratfarms that literally plex an account within 15 minutes of undocking. It scales well.
Quote:- The 100M/month/account losses include ratting and hauler losses, so PvP losses must be lower. Yet people don't laugh off those losses (as you or I would), but ask for SRP. I doubt if the CFC leadership bothers with the paperwork just for fun. They realized that these "irrelevant" payouts increase fleet participation.
I'm talking from personal perspective here, but even when I was at my poorest I didn't really worry about losing a ratting ship. Losing a ratting ship is something that happens to an individual pilot once in a blue moon, unless he is a complete chimp.
Quote:- Recently I see CFC fighting in Harpies. I guess this is my punishment for calling Drakes cheap.
Certain ships are deady given critical mass. Drakes were one, and they were so pervasive throughout eve that virtually everyone had a perma MWD drake doctrine laying around (Manny of PL fame actually was the forerunner of these). Harpies have the benefit of being another. Some of the deadliest ships in eve right now cost less than 60m to fit out fully.
Quote:My point is that - unlike you - the average CFC line pilot is poor as dirt. Therefore blowing his non-SRP ratting, mining or hauling ship will inflict significant loss to him, something he can only replace by endless hours of shooting red crosses. Inflict enough losses on him and he leaves CFC or the game.
I'd really like to see where you are getting this from, because it bears little resemblance to any reality I see internally. At best this stuff affects newbies.
Tell you what, go find a post via spy or whatever about someone quitting the game or the alliance because of MOA's antics. You'll convince me then. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2697
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Posted - 2015.04.15 22:57:27 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:
Wake me up when you've managed to cut the daily rats killed tally in deklein by 50%. That would have a far greater effect on linemember Morale than the occasional dead Ishtar. I know how to do this, and I could do it with about 12 motivated guys and some alts. The fact that no one else is clever enough to figure it out honestly worries me sometime.
I assume many afk 23/7 cyno alts would be involved.
Tip of the iceburg really. I've found restricting movement to be a much more powerful tool in the long run. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:36:10 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Quote:My point is that - unlike you - the average CFC line pilot is poor as dirt. Therefore blowing his non-SRP ratting, mining or hauling ship will inflict significant loss to him, something he can only replace by endless hours of shooting red crosses. Inflict enough losses on him and he leaves CFC or the game. I'd really like to see where you are getting this from, because it bears little resemblance to any reality I see internally. At best this stuff affects newbies. As an outsider looking in, of the goons I know (not many but I know a few) they A) don't rat B)have plenty of isk (maybe not compared to you, Gelvon but they certainly are not dirt poor)
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Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2015.04.16 03:28:15 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:You make the mistake of generalizing your experience instead of gathering proper data. The CFC loses about 3T/month. If we assume 30K active accounts in the CFC that means 100M loss for each. Which is indeed irrelevant for anyone who are like you. From this you make the assumption that it's irrelevant for everyone. Hint: just because your kitchen has more cake than you can eat, it's not surely a good idea to reply "let them eat cake" to people who whine about being hungry.
There are 3 observable facts that hint that it's not the case: - Deklein has more ratting than any other region in nullsec. Which means line Goons rat. Do you rat? Because I sure don't and laugh on anyone who presses buttons for pitiful 50M/hour income. - The 100M/month/account losses include ratting and hauler losses, so PvP losses must be lower. Yet people don't laugh off those losses (as you or I would), but ask for SRP. I doubt if the CFC leadership bothers with the paperwork just for fun. They realized that these "irrelevant" payouts increase fleet participation. - Recently I see CFC fighting in Harpies. I guess this is my punishment for calling Drakes cheap.
My point is that - unlike you - the average CFC line pilot is poor as dirt. Therefore blowing his non-SRP ratting, mining or hauling ship will inflict significant loss to him, something he can only replace by endless hours of shooting red crosses. Inflict enough losses on him and he leaves CFC or the game.
Absolutely not. There is not one single point in your post that would even come close to being accurate. I'll invest ten minutes and explain.
Where should I begin? Firstly, you use the numbers and data gathering in the most pervasive way possible. Most of the times -if not always- your methodology is overtly simplistic and is unable to account for all the variables. This throws you towards wild and inaccurate conclusions about EVE in general.
Here is an an example for this point: You have wasted your time and resources for quite some time. I see that you are taking pride on this. You think that throwing a miniscule amount of ISK in the scale of alliance finances towards random people makes you the enabler of CFC's demise, based on so called proper data and numbers you provide. However, CFC just ended up being the only remaining major sovereignty holder under the dominion system. Adversaries of CFC gave up their possessions and control over null systems and started evacuating their staging areas and outposts in sovereign null systems. None of CFC's adversaries under the dominion system were amongst your stated 'targets' under your project. But somehow, "CFC ended up winning EVE" as I often saw it stated throughout this week in various mediums on EVE such as reddit.
That alone is the reason why most of our sworn enemies do not (and cannot) take you seriously. You are under the weird assumption that landing a satisfactory level grade from a sophomore statistics class equips you to explain and analyze everything in the world, including the virtual universe of EVE. The entity you have chosen to target, the very same entity that you claim to be losing a lot due to your... ~influence~ and actions declared victory.
Moreover, you have a strange personality. You have an extremely high opinion of yourself, and combined with my first point, this makes people conclude that your opinion of yourself is very much inflated. While it is obvious that you generally strive for success in MMOs, most observers are in the opinion that you often have to shift and modify your goals, or blatantly bury your initial stated goals and claim victory on a set of easier goals you come up with at the later stages of your undertakings. You generally try to invent numbers and cook up data to point out some faintly perceived outcome you can sell as a success. You are also highly inclined towards claiming the consequences that come with actions and resources of the others as yours. This is similar to claiming that buying
A good example for this lies in your own words I have quoted above. You seriously and unironically think that the average CFC line member is dirt poor. Your words portray the average CFC line member to be whining about being hungry and poor. Where are those people? Where do they live? Why don't they complain if they are really dirt poor, and why is CFC's numbers are being bolstered? While sovereign null bottom income obviously needs a buff for being extremely pale in comparison with other types of space, the CFC line members whining about being hungry only exist in your imagination, Gevlon. Which leads me to think that you want to believe it, because you need to believe it to feel successful. I have seen you going on about long diatribes about how the average EVE player (not just the CFC line member) is dirt poor, and how you are successful in contrast. Average CFC line member is not poor as dirt. Average CFC line member does not quit the game due to ~mighty pirates~ roaming through and dropping in the systems he lives in occasionally. As a matter of fact, CFC's strength in it's membership base have increased since you started your project.
I think that you want to believe such myths (or perhaps erroneous conclusions) to feel good about yourself and to rationalize and justify the amount of time you invest in EVE. As such, this starts and endless cycle of cooked up stats and data used out of the context it belongs to, you throwing some change towards random people of groups for being able to claim what they do as your own doing and then claiming victory based on another data set that is the product of your initially cooked up stats.
My point is that you remind people of the man who takes a look at the (and misreads) NYSE index, buys a few shares in Coca Cola Company, and claims later that the annual increase of Coca Cola Company's revenue and profitability is a result of his actions. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5338
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Posted - 2015.04.16 10:54:15 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:My point is that - unlike you - the average CFC line pilot is poor as dirt. Therefore blowing his non-SRP ratting, mining or hauling ship will inflict significant loss to him, something he can only replace by endless hours of shooting red crosses. Inflict enough losses on him and he leaves CFC or the game. Gevlon. Your own stats from the other day showed that the ISK lost by CFC members from ship losses vs the number of rats they killed (about 49k) is below the average bounty from a rat. This means that if the only income for the CFC were ratting and if all of our ship losses were ratting ships, then we would still be in profit.
And the truth is it's not the only source of income or the only types of losses. Personal income alone there's all the normal income sources any other player has access to. Personally I make the vast majority of my isk though trading as it's the only high end scalable income source and requires very little input. While the average line member may not have a robust income source like that, they are certainly not dirt poor. As your own stats show they are on average in profit all the time from ratting alone, so once you throw on income sources like PI, personal moons, trading, industry, and remove SRP kills, it's pretty difficult to actually be poor.
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Catalytic morphisis
Freelance Asset Relocation Team
116
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:08:43 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:You make the mistake of generalizing your experience instead of gathering proper data. The CFC loses about 3T/month. If we assume 30K active accounts in the CFC that means 100M loss for each. Which is indeed irrelevant for anyone who are like you. From this you make the assumption that it's irrelevant for everyone. Hint: just because your kitchen has more cake than you can eat, it's not surely a good idea to reply "let them eat cake" to people who whine about being hungry.
There are 3 observable facts that hint that it's not the case: - Deklein has more ratting than any other region in nullsec. Which means line Goons rat. Do you rat? Because I sure don't and laugh on anyone who presses buttons for pitiful 50M/hour income. - The 100M/month/account losses include ratting and hauler losses, so PvP losses must be lower. Yet people don't laugh off those losses (as you or I would), but ask for SRP. I doubt if the CFC leadership bothers with the paperwork just for fun. They realized that these "irrelevant" payouts increase fleet participation. - Recently I see CFC fighting in Harpies. I guess this is my punishment for calling Drakes cheap.
My point is that - unlike you - the average CFC line pilot is poor as dirt. Therefore blowing his non-SRP ratting, mining or hauling ship will inflict significant loss to him, something he can only replace by endless hours of shooting red crosses. Inflict enough losses on him and he leaves CFC or the game.
This is going on the assumption that all CFC "Line members" Only have one account, which most definitely will not, As you should well take into account that Most people in EVE Dabble in trading and other such high profitability endevours, Just because they rat does not mean they can't afford to buy what they want, I mean I rat and run missions, Not purely to earn ISK (However I never moan at More ISK), But because its something to do if I'm bored and fancy a change from hunting people/Roaming low sec.
You sir are assuming that CFC Members are poor, With no Proof at all, And saying that burning their ratting ships will cause the CFC to lose their member retention, Something which has been proven to be very very wrong, I see literally no notable (If any at all) Decline in CFC's numbers.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6712
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Posted - 2015.04.16 13:24:54 -
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Don't worry, with sov lasers, you can just pay massadeath of moa (the best paid mercs apparently according to him) to end us directly. In the sov.
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Gericht
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
3
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Posted - 2015.04.16 17:15:08 -
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I have calculated this in an earlier thread, but I'll do so again. I am one of your 'dirt poor' CFC grunts. I am lucky if I get about 5 to 7 hours of actual playtime a week and try to fill those with stratop fleets. I do not trade, nor do I do any of the main income generators in nullsec. Furthermore, I have no alt accounts and cannot run AFK at my work My main income comes from doing PI and selling at at below Jita prices to my corp/alliance and the occasional ratting which I tend to get bored by after 2/3 anoms. My average income that way monthly is about 700M. Utter peanuts compared to many EVE players. The first year about half this income went to buying skills and stratop ships. Now, I just need to buy a new ratting ship if I lose one being careless (which happens from time to time) At this rate I (being the poor CFC grunt that I am), could lose 7 to 8 ratting ships EACH MONTH before I would start taking a loss. And every month I do not lose a ship 7-8 ships to lose get added to that total.
So no, losing a ratting ship to MOA or -EH- or any other pirate does not make me wish to quit. It just makes me sigh for being silly enough not pay attention to local/intel and buy a new ship the next time I want to rat again. And that's with income most players consider pocket change.
What WOULD hit my income would be losing sov, as that would affect PI income which is my main revenue. Which is that MOA, -EH- and all the others do not threaten at the moment.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6512
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Posted - 2015.04.17 01:29:15 -
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So I return after 6 months off & this little crusade has still inflicted less damage than Asakai.
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
675
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:09:04 -
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If the CFC has about 20% of the wealth in the game, imagine what you could do if everyone donates everything they have and you gain control of the other 80%...
Such power, such economics, such genius.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2822
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Posted - 2015.04.18 09:34:15 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:There are 3 observable facts that hint that it's not the case: - Deklein has more ratting than any other region in nullsec. Which means line Goons rat. Do you rat? Because I sure don't and laugh on anyone who presses buttons for pitiful 50M/hour income. Do I rat? No. Have I ratted? Yes. 50M hour doesn't sound like much, but it's honestly closer to 75m/h. Still not much I agree. But you are failing to take into account that this is almost entirely AFK income. I can do it at work having to only check it every 30 minutes or so.
SmilingVagrant wrote:erg cz wrote:Hiro Kaichi wrote:Hi, i'm pretty new to the game almost a month in and I was wondering how profitable is it? Right now i'm piloting a Shield Tank Gnosis and I have been able to go there and kill some NPCs but yeah. I need some tips on what to do and such and if the Gnosis is the right ship to use, oh and i'm sorry if this it's in the wrong place but its my first time on the forums
-Thanks :D As Goons keep showing you null is not profitable at all. You are slave of some soverenity holding corp so you play as they time schedule you or you are a meat there. You can do some ISK for a while, but than gank comes and you lose pretty much all you have made so far. As I understood, ratting belts NPC is like doing L4 missions in terms of ISK income. So go back to Sinq Laison, find yourself a nice friendly mission agent and start doing missions for him. Same income, less frustraition from local bullies. As I see it null, wormhole or low sec is where you go for PVP fun, not for money. Unless you are in a really good corp and spend each and every evening defending you soverenity space you are pretty much done there. (Hint: I never was in null sec ;) , do they really eat babies in Tribute region?) Ratting belts is garbage tier isk. Anoms is where it's at, but then it's about 75m/h with a lot of red dodging.
That's the difference between 'you lot' and gevlon though , he may be dellusional , a tad odd and a spreadsheet freak but at least he is more consistent to the garbage he spouts versus the garbage you guys produce.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2822
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Posted - 2015.04.18 10:09:32 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:The Midget Ani (obviously a troll reference for The Mittani) donated 10B for the glorious cause! That's almost as much as my donation this month! Follow this example people and the Evil will be cleansed from New Eden!
If you would be less spreadsheets online and show yourself to be a bit less of an asshat i'm sure that would happen more.For example stating you laugh at ratters and their measily income per hour whilst you ask the missioners and miners of high-sec to contribute kinda shows you absolutely have no clue how to 'mold people'.Something wich you tend to do quite frequently.
I'm sure mittens could teach you a lot there.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
396
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Posted - 2015.04.19 17:59:33 -
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So many Goons commenting here that it's not working. So many zkillboard entries telling otherwise.
Which shall I believe? Hard question.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
579
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Posted - 2015.04.19 18:47:16 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:So many Goons commenting here that it's not working. So many zkillboard entries telling otherwise.
Which shall I believe? Hard question.
You might try believing objective reality which demonstrates that your quixotic anti-CFC crusade is having nary an impact other than to supply them with pervasive amusement. Honestly, they couldn't have paid someone to be as incompetent of an opponent as you are. Were I the conspiracy theory type, which I'm not, I would suggest that you are a CFC plant intended to vilify and slander their true opposition. And for the record, I detest these fools at least as much, and almost surely more, than you do.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
397
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Posted - 2015.04.21 04:08:36 -
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This "providing amusement" line is pretty prevalent, despite bizarre. Do you believe that the AFK ratter who comes back to his computer to find his pilot in the clone station will acclaim "this was an awesome fight, this makes EVE great"!
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4996
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Posted - 2015.04.21 04:20:25 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:So I return after 6 months off & this little crusade has still inflicted less damage than Asakai.
Not to mention less than the CFC lost in B-R, a battle they unambiguously won.
The crusade does lead to some hilarious forum threads, however.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
579
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:00:49 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:This "providing amusement" line is pretty prevalent, despite bizarre. Do you believe that the AFK ratter who comes back to his computer to find his pilot in the clone station will acclaim "this was an awesome fight, this makes EVE great"!
I think that the expected value of losses they incur is so small as to make it essentially irrelevant. It's part of the cost of AFK ratting, and folks gauge the reward level accordingly. So now instead of ~60mm ISK/hour, you made it ~59mm ISK/hour. A grand accomplishment this is not. If anything, an occasional loss can break the mind numbing monotony of ratting.
And the best evidence of that is that after, what is it now? 12 months? Of your nonstop pour ISK down the toilet campaign against the CFC they are stronger than ever, and AFK rat themselves into euphoria. Looks to me like you have won the greatest victory known to man since the British spanked Andrew Jackson outside New Orleans in January, 1815.
I mean honestly man, get a grip. You are a public laughingstock for your inane view that throwing money at some half banked mercenaries will do anything at all to bring down the CFC. Find a better way to spend your ISK, and your time. The only way to take down the Goons and their pets is to do what Europe did to bring down Napoleon...form a broad coalition, for 25 years if need be, that will not rest until the scourge of evil has been cleansed from the land. Wars are not won with isk, they are won with blood, sweat, toil, and tears. |
Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.04.21 19:13:38 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:This "providing amusement" line is pretty prevalent, despite bizarre. Do you believe that the AFK ratter who comes back to his computer to find his pilot in the clone station will acclaim "this was an awesome fight, this makes EVE great"!
He will go "meh", maybe link the loss mail in alliance chat, where everybody has a good laugh ("and this is why you don't go afk ratting, newbees"), and continue go afk ratting. Because who cares. People lose titans because of mistakes and still continue playing eve.
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Sh0plifter
Underground Fighting Carebears
57
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:07:24 -
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kikono nai wrote:Confirming that the mighty mordus angels or whatever is totally destroying the CFC, you know, one AFK ratting Ishtar at a time.
:facepalm: I haven't figured out how to use this "warp me to my POS when a non 5+ person comes into local while I am AFK" setting."Can you help me with it?
Edit: Oops not my Karmafleet character. Anyways, any information would be helpful. |
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
398
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Posted - 2015.04.22 05:04:14 -
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It seems two arguments are alternating here from Goonies: - Mordus and other pirates are irrelevant (then why you hellcamped them for weeks while they just flied interceptors?) - Mordus is providing content (because content is what AFK ratters want)
I see a little contradiction.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Kant Boards
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:26:26 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:It seems two arguments are alternating here from Goonies: - Mordus and other pirates are irrelevant (then why you hellcamped them for weeks while they just flied interceptors?) - Mordus is providing content (because content is what AFK ratters want)
I see a little contradiction. The irrelevant thing comes in the fact that we can go many regions away and make war by conquering delve and such and mordus in their stealth bombers and frigates are ineffectual back home in that deklein and surrounding regions are wholly secure and unthreatened.
Ratters die and ratters must die often to fuel the fires of industry. If nobody ever died in deklein I would be a very poor pilot amongst many others. Please keep financing ratter killers. The ratter killers roam in interceptors or sit on a blops while one poor bastard has to roam around with a covert cyno and never threaten any infrastructure.
The ratter who died was most likely afk after making hundreds of millions, he died. Ok buy another ship (one of mine) and go back to ratting.
MOA feels good about getting a kill and never threatens infrastructure. Goblin feels good about MOA getting kills and keeps logging in day after day grinding isk to give to someone else to pvp instead of hiring like a PL or Ncdot.
Mordus provides content when we come home and get to bash any towers they put up or if someone feels like parking their 12 multiboxed carriers on their undock and setting up a campfire.
Otherwise MOA is pretty terrible content because they only fly slippery ships that run away, they are mostly gankers and not pvp'rs which is fine. They serve a purpose and the game goes on. Its also interesting how Gen Eve gave 50b of your money to his russian friends and is buying a titan, it would be a shame if anything happened to that titan now wouldnt it. |
Dirk Magnum
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
433
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:15:05 -
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MOA killed my afktar on my second day in Goons. Crafty gang of faction frigates and interceptors. I have to hand it to them to take on a passive-regen ship with a big buffer that could easily be bait in the most inhabited Goon system in Deklein.
I don't know the origins of Gevlon's devotion to the Grr Goons cause though, so I don't really understand the vicarious thrill he's getting from this.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE."
- traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
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Corey Lean
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2015.04.22 22:01:54 -
[144] - Quote
Hes mad because he can never join
Seriously |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2015.04.23 13:35:35 -
[145] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:It seems two arguments are alternating here from Goonies: - Mordus and other pirates are irrelevant (then why you hellcamped them for weeks while they just flied interceptors?) - Mordus is providing content (because content is what AFK ratters want)
I see a little contradiction.
No, you don't.
Mordus aren't particularly resourceful or bright. They either fly cheap cloaky stuff, cheap nullified stuff, or a combination of both at a moderate cost. Nullified and cloaky are almost always weak in EVE vis-a-vis damage output and ability to project power on grid on an individual scale. Ergo, Mordus has never been, is not and will never be relevant. Yes, they sometimes break this habit, but when they do, if a group that can shoot back at them is able to respond they get wrecked and thus, become the content of big boys on the block.
I understand your need to act as if you are seeing a contradiction. Anyone in your position would desperately try to save face like that.
Factually, Mordus and other pirates are inherently irrelevant. Their actions did not matter in the past, does not matter now, and will not matter in the future.
Why?
Because they care about their losses to an extend that places a hard limit on what they are willing and able to do. You won't see a pirate group fighting on a grid for prolonged periods. You won't see them commit, unless they are absolutely and positively sure that they won't suffer losses of any kind. Therefore, they can't pursue any dominance and control oriented objective. Those require committing considerable resources. And resources here, do not just mean ISK. On top of ISK, they need well planned and competently executed logistics, adequate leadership and a sufficient number of pilots that can follow orders and fly certain ships. Pirates have neither of these, if they did, they wouldn't be pirates to begin with.
This roughly represents the risk-reward equation on which EVE Online has been designed on. Separately, there is also the issue of self-perception those pirates have. They want to think they are skilled players. They want to base their claim on K:D ratios and killboard colors. If they lose ships, no matter how expensive, they can't do that. Red isn't a color they like to see. This makes them hilariously risk-averse, even more so than a null carebear or a highsec miner. Ironic, but true.
Now, naturally, the paradigm above limits pirates to gank AFK ratters and haulers that neglect their security checklists and nothing else. They might be able to contest the ownership of an asset in space here and there, only if they are sure no one will come and defend them. But they will never be able to defend such an asset. Defense means incurring losses. They don't want that. They can't take it. It's against the raison d'+¬tre of any pirate group.
Hence why you can't get results by throwing ISK at pirate groups. The issue isn't that you are not rich or the ISK you throw at pirate groups is peanuts.
Don't get me wrong. It is true that as an individual playing EVE, you aren't fabulously rich unlike what you like to think about yourself. It is also true that the ISK you throw at pirates cannot even be considered as a minuscule amount for funding an organization towards big objectives. But these aren't the reasons why you are not getting any results.
You aren't getting results because you are giving some change and pocket money to the bum in the neighborhood and expecting him to raise your flag over the Fort Knox. You can pay that bum all you can afford at once, which is not even a trillion of ISK reliably, and he still won't be able to raise your flag at all, much less raising your flag over at the Fort.
Besides, any group that is more capable and resourceful than the neighborhood bum is too busy laughing at you for associating their name with you. In fact, they think you are challenged severely when it comes to the faculty of harnessing intellectual and critical thought.
This is what we call Gevlon's dilemma. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6714
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Posted - 2015.04.23 13:48:07 -
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Farming content is the best.
The content doesn't have to be threatening at all, just content-y.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
683
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Posted - 2015.04.23 16:25:14 -
[147] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Farming content is the best.
The content doesn't have to be threatening at all, just content-y.
So much content we could do this for the next few decades...
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Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
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Corey Lean
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2015.04.24 21:14:57 -
[148] - Quote
Actually GSF was one of the most "elite" nullsec organizations and they won by combining numbers with skill
is this the real life?
is this just fantasy?? |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2015.04.26 01:16:26 -
[149] - Quote
Corey Lean wrote:Actually GSF was one of the most "elite" nullsec organizations and they won by combining numbers with skill
is this the real life?
is this just fantasy??
Caught in a landslide, No escape from reality. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
403
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Posted - 2015.04.26 04:39:57 -
[150] - Quote
Alp Khan wrote:Because they care about their losses to an extend that places a hard limit on what they are willing and able to do. You won't see a pirate group fighting on a grid for prolonged periods. You won't see them commit, unless they are absolutely and positively sure that they won't suffer losses of any kind. Therefore, they can't pursue any dominance and control oriented objective. Those require committing considerable resources. And resources here, do not just mean ISK. On top of ISK, they need well planned and competently executed logistics, adequate leadership and a sufficient number of pilots that can follow orders and fly certain ships. Pirates have neither of these, if they did, they wouldn't be pirates to begin with.
This is the standard Goon propaganda that used to work until someone started to analyze the killboard. Let's see the last month, March: - Mordus Angels: 198B - Black Legion.: 124B - Sorry We're In Your Space Eh: 96B Let's compare their performance with the organizations who have all the resources you claim and committed and control oriented and were in a declared invasion against CFC: - DARKNESS.: 65B - Northern Coalition.: 99B - Nulli Secunda: 42B - The Kadeshi: 57B
You'd like to paint MoA and -EH- as killboard-masturbating kids who cause trivial damage with high ISK ratio, while in reality they cause more than a whole enemy coalition during an invasion - while upkeeping high ISK ratio.
The reason why CFC didn't crush N3 after B-R is that you need them as straw-man. You know that there will always be anti-Goon players and you want them to join these incompetent organizations where they simply burn out. Time and time again one of you suggest me to hire NC. which would cost me 100-200B and be about as effective as investing this money at one of the ISK doubling services in Jita. N3 is merely a black hole that swallows all the anti-CFC and elite-aspirant players, stopping them from finding or forming a group that is (or has the chance to become) a threat.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Aoife Fraoch
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
41
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Posted - 2015.04.26 05:54:33 -
[151] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Alp Khan wrote:Because they care about their losses to an extend that places a hard limit on what they are willing and able to do. You won't see a pirate group fighting on a grid for prolonged periods. You won't see them commit, unless they are absolutely and positively sure that they won't suffer losses of any kind. Therefore, they can't pursue any dominance and control oriented objective. Those require committing considerable resources. And resources here, do not just mean ISK. On top of ISK, they need well planned and competently executed logistics, adequate leadership and a sufficient number of pilots that can follow orders and fly certain ships. Pirates have neither of these, if they did, they wouldn't be pirates to begin with. This is the standard Goon propaganda that used to work until someone started to analyze the killboard. Let's see the last month, March: - Mordus Angels: 198B - Black Legion.: 124B - Sorry We're In Your Space Eh: 96B Let's compare their performance with the organizations who have all the resources you claim and committed and control oriented and were in a declared invasion against CFC: - DARKNESS.: 65B - Northern Coalition.: 99B - Nulli Secunda: 42B - The Kadeshi: 57B You'd like to paint MoA and -EH- as killboard-masturbating kids who cause trivial damage with high ISK ratio, while in reality they cause more than a whole enemy coalition during an invasion - while upkeeping high ISK ratio. The reason why CFC didn't crush N3 after B-R is that you need them as straw-man. You know that there will always be anti-Goon players and you want them to join these incompetent organizations where they simply burn out. Time and time again one of you suggest me to hire NC. which would cost me 100-200B and be about as effective as investing this money at one of the ISK doubling services in Jita. N3 is merely a black hole that swallows all the anti-CFC and elite-aspirant players, stopping them from finding or forming a group that is (or has the chance to become) a threat.
How much space did they take? How many stations captured and dead zoned? You know, how much actual impact?
Also you are cherry picking yet again. I would love working with someone like you, I enjoy tearing bad analysis apart with an audience.
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Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:10:52 -
[152] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote: You'd like to paint MoA and -EH- as killboard-masturbating kids who cause trivial damage with high ISK ratio, while in reality they cause more than a whole enemy coalition during an invasion - while upkeeping high ISK ratio.
I never called MoA and -EH- that, but now that you mentioned the definition... But I'd agree with only the first part of your sentence. That is precisely what they are. "Killboard-masturbing kids" as a definition is hilariously accurate. These groups have nothing else to show for any claim towards significance, so killboards bloated with AFK ratters who didn't pay attention and haulers who didn't follow safety procedures are the only metric they can come up with to instill a false sense of significance among their member base.
Ironically, as your own words reveal, you are able to come up with a good analogy and a definition for those pirate groups no one takes seriously. I suspect this is a direct result of your self-awareness regarding their insignificance. And do not assume that readers of this thread are not picking up your hasty retreats towards logical fallacies; you seem to be frequenting straw-man arguments in particular.
Why? Because no serious commentator mentions damage caused in ISK from killboards or ISK ratios in the case of war against a null sovereign entity. It simply is a metric of no consequence. Large alliances such as those who make up Imperium are inherently and independently wealthy as they maintain an active member base. The Imperium is a well governed and administrated coalition, and thus, accumulated wealth is able to be utilized towards achievement of it's goals with high efficiency.
In contrast, the pirate groups you keep up pampering have terrible leadership cadres. Incompetence and inability to think strategically combined with inability to innovate are rampant, if not outright the norm. I don't follow the actions of -EH- each and every day as they cannot project any presence towards Deklein; but MoA is MoA because of such a lack of talent. If one actually takes time to observe how MoA operates daily regarding roams and CTAs, the inevitable realization is that they don't even have multiple competent FCs. At best, I can only mention two MoA FCs that I can comfortably attest to being somehow competent. One doesn't even have to take this assessment at face value coming from me, any MoA partner/ally who has worked with them can attest to this. |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:58:27 -
[153] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote: Time and time again one of you suggest me to hire NC. which would cost me 100-200B and be about as effective as investing this money at one of the ISK doubling services in Jita.
I'm glad that even in your bull/spin propaganda post, there is a good glimpse of truth. Hence, I wanted to quote this specifically. Yes, we know you are too poor to afford a proper PvP competent mercenary group like BL, PL or NC. You can't hope to hold even one of these groups on retainer for more than three months, and that is if only they agree to take you on as a client for cheap.
And yeah, it would be no more effective than sending an incompetent and insignificant group like MoA scraps every week and claiming that everything they do (which is not much) is happening solely because of you.
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2404
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Posted - 2015.04.26 13:43:17 -
[154] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Let's see the March: Let's see Marmites the last 5 days.This contract was paid properly
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Syds Sinclair
Pan-Galactic Assembly
254
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Posted - 2015.04.26 14:04:23 -
[155] - Quote
..Eve literally turned Gevlon crazy.
Back in his WoW days, his blog posts were very useful and thought out, even if he did go overboard every now and then with his hate for "M&S".
Eve Gevlon is a completely different person. It surprises me to this day that he continues to cite logical fallacies and straw men argruments as fact. I'm not even sure if it's all to save face at this point. Eve is a cold harsh place and not everyone is up to the task, as demenstrated in Gevlon.
Eve turned Gevlon from a rational economical goal driven gamer into a pitiful attention seeker full of denial.
Gevlon is the Village Idiot, on the galactic scale. His blog is front page headline news of the galactic idiot's latest blunder. |
Antylus Tyrell
Uedama Artisan Jams
8
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Posted - 2015.04.26 14:21:57 -
[156] - Quote
Yes yes, Gevlon is crazy and MOA is irrelevant and suck. So ignore Gevlon and send your fleets out to crush MOA... They only have one or two good fcs, how hard could it be?
Oh wait you have all tried numerous times and always failed. And Gevlons "crazy" graphs show truths that you find embarrassing.
Writing essay length answers explaining why MOA and Gevlon are irrelevant kinda gives the opposite impression.... just a tip to the CFC dudes in charge of that stuff. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
403
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:35:29 -
[157] - Quote
@Alp Khan: writing 2 pages of bold letter propaganda may make people avoid actually reading it so they might not notice that you didn't even try to answer what I wrote. So I repeat: - Mordus Angels causes 3x more damage to CFC than NC during an invasion. - so, hiring NC. is pointless, as they are hilariously incompentent. - CFC purposefully avoids crushing NC. because the NC. propaganda makes competent PvP-ers join and be harmless while they could join MoA and defeat you. You want to "are you chicken McFly" me into supporting NC. because giving them money is total waste.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Syds Sinclair
Pan-Galactic Assembly
254
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:49:55 -
[158] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:@Alp Khan: writing 2 pages of bold letter propaganda may make people avoid actually reading it so they might not notice that you didn't even try to answer what I wrote. So I repeat: - Mordus Angels causes 3x more damage to CFC than NC during an invasion. - so, hiring NC. is pointless, as they are hilariously incompentent. - CFC purposefully avoids crushing NC. because the NC. propaganda makes competent PvP-ers join and be harmless while they could join MoA and defeat you. You want to "are you chicken McFly" me into supporting NC. because giving them money is total waste.
..Fix: MoA does 3x more in ISK losses then NC.
MoA doesn't damage the CFC because they are not a threat to the CFC's sov.
NC. targets the CFC's sov, the thing that makes the CFC the CFC: A dominate sov holding coalition.
He is simply pointing out that the forces you are hiring are attacking the wrong objective.
This is classic Eve Gevlon. Purposfully obtuse to further his own interests. |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
325
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Posted - 2015.04.27 16:41:29 -
[159] - Quote
Antylus Tyrell wrote:Yes yes, Gevlon is crazy and MOA is irrelevant and suck. So ignore Gevlon and send your fleets out to crush MOA... They only have one or two good fcs, how hard could it be?
Oh wait you have all tried numerous times and always failed. And Gevlons "crazy" graphs show truths that you find embarrassing.
Writing essay length answers explaining why MOA and Gevlon are irrelevant kinda gives the opposite impression.... just a tip to the CFC dudes in charge of that stuff.
Only thing that failed are Gevlon's laughably off claims and ridiculous attempts of presenting cooked off numbers to make his constant failure appear like a success.
Gevlon skews statistics methodology to be able to find a reason, or in this case, any reason to present his blunders or inability to take on the largest and most powerful sov null coalition under a favorable light.
You don't strike me as a person that received higher education. If you were, you'd be picking up on Gevlon's fallacies with ease. To help you comprehend, I will compile some of the logical fallacies Gevlon employs to try and manipulate masses and lie to their faces and post them here shortly. |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
325
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Posted - 2015.04.27 17:50:40 -
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Gevlon's most favored logical fallacy is called the Texas sharpshooter.
It is defined as "cherry-picking data clusters to suit an argument, or finding a pattern to fit a presumption."
Example:
Gevlon claims when damage dealt and damage received in ISK value is recalculated according to his own personal methodology, it reveals that Mordus Angels deal more damage in ISK value to the Imperium on a time period that he gets to pick based on it's ability to yields numbers favorable to his argument. Therefore, Gevlon concludes that the biggest enemy of the Imperium coalition (please don't laugh) and that Mordus have the best PvP skilled players in EVE (I know it's difficult, but please don't laugh, at least not just yet)
Why?
Because no matter how many times one recalculates damage values and ratios to suit his own needs, MoA kills on AFK ratters and careless haulers is only pertinent to the Imperium's line member retention. If MoA or any other pirate group could do something significant, alliances that make up the Imperium would have been bleeding out members at a constant rate and the Imperium would have collapsed long by now. This obviously hasn't been the case. Other than that, damage dealt on random afk ratters and careless haulers has nothing to do with the strength and well being of a coalition, and Gevlon commits another fallacy by implying killing AFK ratters and careless haulers in no risk and no commit instawarp interceptors and cloaky ships is an activity that requires a lot of skill. It isn't, but still, Gevlon would like you to think that pirate groups are the best PvP players in EVE.
The second favorite fallacy of Gevlon is called black or white.
It is defined as "Where two alternative states are presented as the only possibilities, when in fact more possibilities exist."
Example:
Gevlon posits that because he sends a few billions every week to some pirate groups, all AFK ratter and careless hauler kills those groups get are his. He claims that any change in activity patterns of such groups is due to him sending a few billions to them occasionally, and without him, those groups wouldn't have been effective at all.
Why?
Gevlon wants you to think that there are only two mutually exclusive states: He either sends them peanuts routinely and because of that, pirates are able to get kills, or he doesn't send them anything, and pirates suddenly find themselves unable to kill AFK ratters and careless haulers. He wants you to think he is relevant or significant because he sends a few billions every once in a while to what he defined before as "a bunch of kids masturbating over killboard values".
The third fallacy of Gevlon is called burden of proof.
It is defined as "Saying that the burden of proof lies not with the person making the claim, but with someone else to disprove."
Example:
Gevlon provides a flawed texas sharpshooter argument with the cooked up statistics of his creation, and is unable to come up with any sensible premise or evidence that connects his flawed argument to the hilariously unrealistic conclusion he is pushing hard to sell here. When anyone points those out, Gevlon asks them for proof and refuses to provide any valid proof of his own.
Why?
Gevlon isn't really interested in rational thought or argumentation, he is merely trying to make you believe into something that is obviously untrue.
Fourth and fifth logical fallacies Gevlon often employs are called strawman and false cause.
Strawman is "Misrepresenting someoneGÇÖs argument to make it easier to attack."
Example: Gevlon takes the fact that pirate groups are ineffective and insignificant to undermine a sovereign null entity such as Imperium, combines it another valid point provided by someone else "Mordus provides us content through their failed ratter hotdrops" and claims that those cannot be true at the same time, and existence of one disproves the other.
Why? Propaganda and wanting to firmly place his failure under a favorable light.
False cause is "Presuming that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other."
Example: Gevlon claims that the Imperium is only succesful because they fool EVE community into believing that they are not elite PvP players, and that their opponents as elite PvP. He concludes that the Imperium actually must be an elite PvP group and the Imperium's opponents are in fact without skill and only employ mass number tactics, and because Imperium fools them into thinking otherwise, Imperium's opponents are unable to fix their shortcomings.
Why? Gevlon is desperate for any frivolous claim to cast some positive light in his failed endeavor. He is willing to include any amount of ridiculousness just to be able to use it for his benefit.
I believe the above definitions and examples will be able to help readers understand the nature of Gevlon's ridiculous propaganda and attempts at manipulation. |
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
404
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Posted - 2015.04.27 18:47:35 -
[161] - Quote
Alp Khan yet again provided a few pages of copy-paste from wikipedia to avoid even trying to address anything that was mentioned. Namely that he claims that NC. is a serious enemy of CFC who deserves support (both ISK and pilot hours) while MoA is not, despite NC. failed every strategic attempt against CFC in the past years and their killboard is a joke.
Please note that he was the first in the topic who even mentioned NC., previous propagandists went by the old "MoA is irrelevant" or "MoA just provides content."
Now, I indeed cannot prove that MoA can defeat CFC. MoA clearly haven't destroyed the CFC yet. My point is that if the CFC is defeatable, then it will be MoA who do it, since they are the #1 CFC killers for months in a row.
"MoA doesn't take Sov" is true, but irrelevants since no one takes CFC Sov, the CFC won every single Sov war since I'm in EVE. The only reason they don't have all the Sov is that they give to badly chosen allies who failcascade/turn on them/get stomped when CFC leaves. The question is who should we place our hopes on? - MoA who takes no Sov but kills lots of member ships and lose little - NC. and other N3 entities who take no Sov, kill few CFC ships and lose a lot in return
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Big Lynx
1266
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Posted - 2015.04.27 19:45:57 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:..Eve literally turned Gevlon crazy.
Back in his WoW days, his blog posts were very useful and thought out, even if he did go overboard every now and then with his hate for "M&S".
Eve Gevlon is a completely different person. It surprises me to this day that he continues to cite logical fallacies and straw men argruments as fact. I'm not even sure if it's all to save face at this point. Eve is a cold harsh place and not everyone is up to the task, as demenstrated in Gevlon.
Eve turned Gevlon from a rational economical goal driven gamer into a pitiful attention seeker full of denial.
Gevlon is the Village Idiot, on the galactic scale. His blog is front page headline news of the galactic idiot's latest blunder. So true. |
Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:30:32 -
[163] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:- CFC purposefully avoids crushing NC. because the NC. propaganda makes competent PvP-ers join and be harmless while they could join MoA and defeat you. You want to "are you chicken McFly" me into supporting NC. because giving them money is total waste.
If I were competent at PvP and looking for a new home I would join PL, or BL but not MoA. Killing AFK ratters is not exciting. Crushing multiple alliances at the same time and turning the tide of a war like PL did is fun.
I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
683
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:50:50 -
[164] - Quote
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:- CFC purposefully avoids crushing NC. because the NC. propaganda makes competent PvP-ers join and be harmless while they could join MoA and defeat you. You want to "are you chicken McFly" me into supporting NC. because giving them money is total waste.
If I were competent at PvP and looking for a new home I would join PL, or BL but not MoA. Killing AFK ratters is not exciting. Crushing multiple alliances at the same time and turning the tide of a war like PL did is fun.
Suddenly squish.
Also, to keep the conversation going...
We're better than everyone. And we have jackets to prove it.
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Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
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Gericht
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
6
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Posted - 2015.04.28 15:10:42 -
[165] - Quote
Quick question for Gevlon. You keep assuming that because you give an alliance money ALL kills they make can be directly attributed to you. Now that you have discontinued your support for the fountain core, are you going to do one of your extensive analyses to show that is true? It's real easy. Check the amount killed when you supported versus the amount killed versus the amount when you do not support. The difference should be your effect. You can use that to , as you say, de-***** your contribution. Then you can apply that to MOA and get a real estimate of your effect on the Imperium instead of just claiming all their work as your own. I'm surprised you've never done such an analysis as you spend so much time on that with regards to a person's killboard. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5536
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Alp Khan yet again provided a few pages of copy-paste from wikipedia to avoid even trying to address anything that was mentioned. Namely that he claims that NC. is a serious enemy of CFC who deserves support (both ISK and pilot hours) while MoA is not, despite NC. failed every strategic attempt against CFC in the past years and their killboard is a joke. Actually, it's been answered multiple times, you've simply ignored it because you don't understand how EVE works. MoA don't achieve any strategic objectives, NC. do. So no matter how many bling fit kills they get on their killboard they'll still be no threat to a significant sov holding alliance. You ignore this now as you always ignore facts. You have preconceived opinions of what you think the facts are and you keep working the data in different ways and ignoring everything that doesn't match what you think until you satisfy your own thoughts, regardless of how ridiculous it looks to an external party. Amusingly from you're own figures, you've accidentally shown that the losses caused to the entire coalition could be written off by ratting income alone, and yet that's another fact you've glossed over.
Let's make it really simple - If MoA were as significant a threat as you make them out to be, then we would be destroyed or rapidly heading on our way to destruction. We're not. So I guess MoA are as irrelevant as everyone else is.
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Antylus Tyrell
Uedama Artisan Jams
10
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Posted - 2015.04.29 02:08:08 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:Alp Khan yet again provided a few pages of copy-paste from wikipedia to avoid even trying to address anything that was mentioned. Namely that he claims that NC. is a serious enemy of CFC who deserves support (both ISK and pilot hours) while MoA is not, despite NC. failed every strategic attempt against CFC in the past years and their killboard is a joke. Actually, it's been answered multiple times, you've simply ignored it because you don't understand how EVE works. MoA don't achieve any strategic objectives, NC. do. So no matter how many bling fit kills they get on their killboard they'll still be no threat to a significant sov holding alliance. You ignore this now as you always ignore facts. You have preconceived opinions of what you think the facts are and you keep working the data in different ways and ignoring everything that doesn't match what you think until you satisfy your own thoughts, regardless of how ridiculous it looks to an external party. Amusingly from you're own figures, you've accidentally shown that the losses caused to the entire coalition could be written off by ratting income alone, and yet that's another fact you've glossed over. Let's make it really simple - If MoA were as significant a threat as you make them out to be, then we would be destroyed or rapidly heading on our way to destruction. We're not. So I guess MoA are as irrelevant as everyone else is.
MOA has no interest in taking sov. They are an insurgent force fighting a guerrilla war against a massive enemy. So you say what they kill does not matter but what does matter is how many systems they control in a sov system that most people cannot be bothered with because it is so broken? Yes you cfc people have lots of systems... have fun with that.
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Gericht
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
6
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Posted - 2015.04.29 05:17:00 -
[168] - Quote
Antylus Tyrell wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:Alp Khan yet again provided a few pages of copy-paste from wikipedia to avoid even trying to address anything that was mentioned. Namely that he claims that NC. is a serious enemy of CFC who deserves support (both ISK and pilot hours) while MoA is not, despite NC. failed every strategic attempt against CFC in the past years and their killboard is a joke. Actually, it's been answered multiple times, you've simply ignored it because you don't understand how EVE works. MoA don't achieve any strategic objectives, NC. do. So no matter how many bling fit kills they get on their killboard they'll still be no threat to a significant sov holding alliance. You ignore this now as you always ignore facts. You have preconceived opinions of what you think the facts are and you keep working the data in different ways and ignoring everything that doesn't match what you think until you satisfy your own thoughts, regardless of how ridiculous it looks to an external party. Amusingly from you're own figures, you've accidentally shown that the losses caused to the entire coalition could be written off by ratting income alone, and yet that's another fact you've glossed over. Let's make it really simple - If MoA were as significant a threat as you make them out to be, then we would be destroyed or rapidly heading on our way to destruction. We're not. So I guess MoA are as irrelevant as everyone else is. MOA has no interest in taking sov. They are an insurgent force fighting a guerrilla war against a massive enemy. So you say what they kill does not matter but what does matter is how many systems they control in a sov system that most people cannot be bothered with because it is so broken? Yes you cfc people have lots of systems... have fun with that.
I don't think anyone here is saying MOA is bad at what they do. Their playstyle is the 'lets see what quick expensive kills we can get' And they do this by targeting AFK ratters, careless haulers and targets of oppertunity. And they do this well. However, they are doing this against a target that can easily absorb these losses without it impacting it, which is also the smart thing to do. It's kinda like hunting. You don't target the herd that will die off if you hunt it, you target the herd that will recoup its losses so you can keep hunting. And this is where Gevlons logic fails. He assumes that MOA is able to destroy the Imperium by actions that have been shown to not affect the Imperium's ability to survive.
On a personal level, where I a MOA pilot, I would be annoyed at Gevlon's rethoric that claims that because he tosses MOA spare change every month, each and every succes made by MOA pilots and MOA FC's is actually his. With the added implication that before Gevlon's charity MOA was utterly helpless. I suspect that were the donations to stop there would be no significant change in the amount of kills by MOA. But hey, free money :) |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5539
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Posted - 2015.04.29 06:54:36 -
[169] - Quote
Antylus Tyrell wrote:MOA has no interest in taking sov. They are an insurgent force fighting a guerrilla war against a massive enemy. So you say what they kill does not matter but what does matter is how many systems they control in a sov system that most people cannot be bothered with because it is so broken? Yes you cfc people have lots of systems... have fun with that. Great, MoA don't want sov. Then they will never take down our coalition. It's really that simple. You can call it guerilla war if you want, but even guerilla war has overall strategic aims. This isn't war at all, it's just going out and getting some kills for fun. Nothing wrong with that of course, but Gevlon's idea that we're gonna lose some ratters then collapse to the ground screaming "the end is nigh!" is ludicrous, anyone with even vague ideas of what common sense is should be able to see that.
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Big Lynx
1269
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Posted - 2015.04.29 06:58:16 -
[170] - Quote
Gericht wrote:
On a personal level, where I a MOA pilot, I would be annoyed at Gevlon's rethoric that claims that because he tosses MOA spare change every month, each and every succes made by MOA pilots and MOA FC's is actually his. With the added implication that before Gevlon's charity MOA was utterly helpless.
The only thing Gevlin wants is attention, he is bathing in it and singing, cause he seems to have some fetish or disorder regarding to it (maybe because of insufficient rl capacities/activites) . We give him enough fodder, so he doesn't stop to post irrelevant nonsense claiming to be relevant.
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Antylus Tyrell
Uedama Artisan Jams
10
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Posted - 2015.04.29 10:35:41 -
[171] - Quote
Gericht wrote: On a personal level, where I a MOA pilot, I would be annoyed at Gevlon's rethoric that claims that because he tosses MOA spare change every month, each and every succes made by MOA pilots and MOA FC's is actually his. With the added implication that before Gevlon's charity MOA was utterly helpless. I suspect that were the donations to stop there would be no significant change in the amount of kills by MOA. But hey, free money :)
I doubt any MOA pilot would see it that way. I was in MOA before Gevlons donations and after, and there was a real tangible difference. Before, alliance FC's were more hesitant to use more expensive doctrines, if you lost a ship on a strategic op you would get a gift "basket" of captured loot for your srp. Everyone was expected to buy and replace their own ships. After the donations started you could expect to see your srp in isk form minutes after the end of an op.
It meant that we killed more, since we did not have to worry as much about funding our pvp. So yeah I would be happy to give Gevlon credit for many of my kills. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
405
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Posted - 2015.04.30 17:35:45 -
[172] - Quote
You still deny to see the problem here: no one takes CFC Sov. So MoA not taking it is irrelevant statement. My point is that MoA at least does something that at least annoys some CFC pilots. Others do nothing. So our options are: - MoA (and other similar non-sov taking, CFC killing groups) - give up
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Gericht
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
7
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Posted - 2015.05.01 04:20:34 -
[173] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:You still deny to see the problem here: no one takes CFC Sov. So MoA not taking it is irrelevant statement. My point is that MoA at least does something that at least annoys some CFC pilots. Others do nothing. So our options are: - MoA (and other similar non-sov taking, CFC killing groups) - give up
If your goal is to annoy some Imperium pilots temporarily, you are indeed succeeding. If your goal is to subsidize MOA so they roam more your are also succeeding. If your goal is to create more content for both sides, you are also succeeding.
But your stated goal is that your donations will destroy the Imperium. And that is where you are clearly not succeeding. Part of this is that I gather from your posts here and your blog that you truly do not understand how other people might still enjoy the game when they are not killboard green or squeezing the maximum amount of ISK/hour out of it. For many of us ISK is a tool, not a goal. A tool to buy the ships we need for the goal of entertaining ourselves for a few hours. And as long as we get enough of that it's utterly irrellevant that it is theorethically possible to get more.
If you truly want to destroy the Imperium you'd be much better off starting a good in/out game dating service as RL commitments to a families is what makes CEO's / FC's and other admistrative types eventually quit. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
410
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Posted - 2015.05.02 17:33:52 -
[174] - Quote
Gericht wrote:If your goal is to annoy some Imperium pilots temporarily, you are indeed succeeding. If your goal is to subsidize MOA so they roam more your are also succeeding. If your goal is to create more content for both sides, you are also succeeding. But your stated goal is that your donations will destroy the Imperium. And that is where you are clearly not succeeding. That's obvious. The pure fact that the Imperium still stands shows that I have not succeeded. Yet.
Also, I'm just one man, how on Earth could I destroy a 40K coalition? In 2014 the damage increase of MoA since the donations and the permawar of Marmite caused 5% of CFC losses. +5% damage obviously won't destroy anything. But imagine 20 Gevlons. That's +100% damage. That would clearly make difference. Winning 20 v 40000 would be pretty good.
Of course I'm not 20, just one. All I can do is showing what I alone can achieve to motivate people to step up and do the same instead of following orders from someone who begs money from me while drunk.
I also want to show PvP pilots that MoA and similar organizations are the real elite and not PL or NC. who fail to defeat anything but BRAVE or infighting Russians.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
683
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Posted - 2015.05.03 03:18:53 -
[175] - Quote
Look at my killboard, I'm elite too! ...except that my solo kills are probably in the single digits... or lower. But since I mostly fly dps on this character, the stats should be pretty good even when de-whored.
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Gericht
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
8
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Posted - 2015.05.03 04:51:21 -
[176] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Gericht wrote:If your goal is to annoy some Imperium pilots temporarily, you are indeed succeeding. If your goal is to subsidize MOA so they roam more your are also succeeding. If your goal is to create more content for both sides, you are also succeeding. But your stated goal is that your donations will destroy the Imperium. And that is where you are clearly not succeeding. That's obvious. The pure fact that the Imperium still stands shows that I have not succeeded. Yet. Also, I'm just one man, how on Earth could I destroy a 40K coalition? In 2014 the damage increase of MoA since the donations and the permawar of Marmite caused 5% of CFC losses. +5% damage obviously won't destroy anything. But imagine 20 Gevlons. That's +100% damage. That would clearly make difference. Winning 20 v 40000 would be pretty good. Of course I'm not 20, just one. All I can do is showing what I alone can achieve to motivate people to step up and do the same instead of following orders from someone who begs money from me while drunk. I also want to show PvP pilots that MoA and similar organizations are the real elite and not PL or NC. who fail to defeat anything but BRAVE or infighting Russians.
And this is where you once again show not to truly understand how to apply statistics to a real world, or game worlds as it may be. You've shown this before, with your advices on how to make money and your error seems to be the assumption of some unlimited pool of ISK goods, demand and players. This is not the case, EVE is sharply limited in all of those. If 20 people did what you did barely anything would change. Because while give ISK to MOA lets them fly shinier ships it does not help them recruit. There are only so many people that like their form of playstyle and the vast majority of those are already in MOA or similar NPC null corporations. At the same time, IF their actions become annoying enough to distrupt the ISK flow of the Imperium there will be more active fleets countering them, whereas MOA's preferred targets are unaware ratters/haulers. Thus lowering their potential targets. If that is not enough, AFK ratters will just make a neutral highsec alt and run missions for ISK a while, nearly completely removing targets, which means MOA gets bored and either has to go full sov attack or move out, which is the opposite of what you want.
But this first assumes 20 players who like you seem to be content day trading and running obscure mission lines all without cutting into each others profit, who then need to also share your (RP-ed or not) dislike of the Imperium. So far that number of players appears to be 1. |
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Origin. Black Legion.
2456
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Posted - 2015.05.03 05:38:18 -
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Titan.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2884
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Posted - 2015.05.03 07:10:45 -
[178] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Also, I'm just one man, how on Earth could I destroy a 40K coalition? In 2014 the damage increase of MoA since the donations and the permawar of Marmite caused 5% of CFC losses. +5% damage obviously won't destroy anything. But imagine 20 Gevlons. That's +100% damage. That would clearly make difference. Winning 20 v 40000 would be pretty good.
SHIVERRRRRRRRR , HELL no .
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Nilaie
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2015.05.03 08:48:19 -
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I've been gone for a year... There are a few things that haven't changed.. Spaceship Barbie is still in Amarr selling 1 trit for 3.2 billion isk, isk doublers, Boom Boom Longtime's bounty (probably higher now), and Gevs mindless ramble.
I am in the actuarial science profession for an insurance company and Gevs, the way you break down your data it's as if you want something to be there. Some of the conclusions you come to I can't even follow. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
411
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:53:07 -
[180] - Quote
The April data is ready. The top CFC killer is once again Mordus Angels with 153B Second place: Out of Sight.: 128B Third: The Marmite Collective: 94B
NC. did 64B during an ongoing war. Anyone wants to place his trust in them instead of Mordus?
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Syds Sinclair
Ruthless Honor
257
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:31:05 -
[181] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:The April data is ready. The top CFC killer is once again Mordus Angels with 153B Second place: Out of Sight.: 128B Third: The Marmite Collective: 94B NC. did 64B during an ongoing war. Anyone wants to place his trust in them instead of Mordus?
..Do you know what sov is?
Did you even think of the outcome of giving Marmite ISK this go around? Where do you think that money is going, and why do you think it will lead to more CFC kills? |
Gericht
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
8
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Posted - 2015.05.04 20:15:12 -
[182] - Quote
To be fair, it IS interesting to see that Imperium losses are pretty static. Gevlon's analysis shows that it's been at 3.1 T +/- 0.2 a month for well over a year. Regardless of war, sov changes, move ops, what have you's. It's also regardless of who GG pays, but that bit seems to be ignored on his blog ;) |
Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2461
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Posted - 2015.05.04 21:18:12 -
[183] - Quote
Imperium?
Wtf is that?
Are you an asshole? Do you like flying with other assholes? Can you listen to the FC and not be horribad?
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Paranoid Loyd
5029
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Posted - 2015.05.04 21:25:30 -
[184] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Imperium?
Wtf is that? The CFC's new name
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2461
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Posted - 2015.05.04 21:59:45 -
[185] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Imperium?
Wtf is that? The CFC's new name
Lmfao stop it
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Paranoid Loyd
5030
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Posted - 2015.05.04 22:02:13 -
[186] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Imperium?
Wtf is that? The CFC's new name Lmfao stop it
Heh
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
561
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Posted - 2015.05.05 03:47:05 -
[187] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:The April data is ready. The top CFC killer is once again Mordus Angels with 153B Second place: Out of Sight.: 128B Third: The Marmite Collective: 94B NC. did 64B during an ongoing war. Anyone wants to place his trust in them instead of Mordus? Without even trying we got 3rd... nc needs to pick their game up
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
561
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Posted - 2015.05.05 03:50:53 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:The April data is ready. The top CFC killer is once again Mordus Angels with 153B Second place: Out of Sight.: 128B Third: The Marmite Collective: 94B NC. did 64B during an ongoing war. Anyone wants to place his trust in them instead of Mordus? ..Do you know what sov is? Did you even think of the outcome of giving Marmite ISK this go around? Where do you think that money is going, and why do you think it will lead to more CFC kills? Killing moar CFC obviously.
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Syds Sinclair
Pan-Galactic Initiative
257
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Posted - 2015.05.05 12:04:00 -
[189] - Quote
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Syds Sinclair wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:The April data is ready. The top CFC killer is once again Mordus Angels with 153B Second place: Out of Sight.: 128B Third: The Marmite Collective: 94B NC. did 64B during an ongoing war. Anyone wants to place his trust in them instead of Mordus? ..Do you know what sov is? Did you even think of the outcome of giving Marmite ISK this go around? Where do you think that money is going, and why do you think it will lead to more CFC kills? Killing moar CFC obviously.
..So Gevlon's donation is going to pay for more wardecs against the CFC? Going to fund SRP for only losses against the CFC? |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2434
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Posted - 2015.05.05 13:08:06 -
[190] - Quote
It's no longer the 'CFC', It's called 'The Librarian' now.
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Syds Sinclair
Pan-Galactic Initiative
257
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Posted - 2015.05.05 16:46:55 -
[191] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:It's no longer the 'CFC', It's called 'The Librarian' now.
..Grrr Librarians.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
565
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:15:55 -
[192] - Quote
Syds Sinclair wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Syds Sinclair wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:The April data is ready. The top CFC killer is once again Mordus Angels with 153B Second place: Out of Sight.: 128B Third: The Marmite Collective: 94B NC. did 64B during an ongoing war. Anyone wants to place his trust in them instead of Mordus? ..Do you know what sov is? Did you even think of the outcome of giving Marmite ISK this go around? Where do you think that money is going, and why do you think it will lead to more CFC kills? Killing moar CFC obviously. ..So Gevlon's donation is going to pay for more wardecs against the CFC? Going to fund SRP for only losses against the CFC? Srp? Why would you need srp for killing them? Wait people lose ships to the librarians?
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Syds Sinclair
Pan-Galactic Initiative
258
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Posted - 2015.05.05 19:40:47 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Syds Sinclair wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Syds Sinclair wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:The April data is ready. The top CFC killer is once again Mordus Angels with 153B Second place: Out of Sight.: 128B Third: The Marmite Collective: 94B NC. did 64B during an ongoing war. Anyone wants to place his trust in them instead of Mordus? ..Do you know what sov is? Did you even think of the outcome of giving Marmite ISK this go around? Where do you think that money is going, and why do you think it will lead to more CFC kills? Killing moar CFC obviously. ..So Gevlon's donation is going to pay for more wardecs against the CFC? Going to fund SRP for only losses against the CFC? Srp? Why would you need srp for killing them? Wait people lose ships to the librarians?
..Exactly my point. It was a donation from Gevlon, not a contract. So Tora isnt required to use that ISK to WarDec The Librarians. And there is no SRP to help kill The Librarians. From Gevlon's perspective and keeping with his goals of hurting The Librarians, how does donating to Marmite further his cause?
It doesn't. Gevlon is the Galactic Idiot. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
567
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Posted - 2015.05.05 23:15:04 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Srp? Why would you need srp for killing them? Wait people lose ships to the librarians?
..Exactly my point. It was a donation from Gevlon, not a contract. So Tora isnt required to use that ISK to WarDec The Librarians. And there is no SRP to help kill The Librarians. From Gevlon's perspective and keeping with his goals of hurting The Librarians, how does donating to Marmite further his cause? It doesn't. Gevlon is the Galactic Idiot. I'm no expert but looking at our wars and the amount donated I'd have to say we used to for another week of war on a whole bunch of librarians
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
412
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Posted - 2015.05.06 17:24:07 -
[195] - Quote
Syds Sinclair wrote:It was a donation from Gevlon, not a contract. So Tora isnt required to use that ISK to WarDec The Librarians. And there is no SRP to help kill The Librarians. From Gevlon's perspective and keeping with his goals of hurting The Librarians, how does donating to Marmite further his cause?
After receiving a donation they have 2 options: - take it and laugh once - spend it on killing Goonies for one more week to receive another donation
Hint: Marmites like killing people.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.05.06 19:12:56 -
[196] - Quote
Gericht wrote:To be fair, it IS interesting to see that Imperium losses are pretty static. Gevlon's analysis shows that it's been at 3.1 T +/- 0.2 a month for well over a year. Regardless of war, sov changes, move ops, what have you's. It's also regardless of who GG pays, but that bit seems to be ignored on his blog ;)
That is "scientific standard". Ignore everything that contradicts your thesis.
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2448
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Posted - 2015.05.06 19:28:23 -
[197] - Quote
[quote=Gevlon GoblinMarmites like killing people.[/quote] Sorryyyyyyy
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
420
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:33:58 -
[198] - Quote
Gericht wrote:To be fair, it IS interesting to see that Imperium losses are pretty static. Gevlon's analysis shows that it's been at 3.1 T +/- 0.2 a month for well over a year. Regardless of war, sov changes, move ops, what have you's. It's also regardless of who GG pays, but that bit seems to be ignored on his blog ;) The reason is simple: this is the amount of losses CFC can sustain. If they are getting more on one front, they cut back on another, like going "blueball or blob" to avoid losses.
So if my donation recipients would cause 1.5T a month, the total would still be around 3T, because they'd give up another region to avoid ratting losses make more treaties to avoid wars, call back reavers, postpone Burn Jita(Amarr) and survive.
If my donation recipients would cause 3T+ a month, they'd failcascade.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Gericht
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
8
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Posted - 2015.05.09 06:02:59 -
[199] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Gericht wrote:To be fair, it IS interesting to see that Imperium losses are pretty static. Gevlon's analysis shows that it's been at 3.1 T +/- 0.2 a month for well over a year. Regardless of war, sov changes, move ops, what have you's. It's also regardless of who GG pays, but that bit seems to be ignored on his blog ;) The reason is simple: this is the amount of losses CFC can sustain. If they are getting more on one front, they cut back on another, like going "blueball or blob" to avoid losses. So if my donation recipients would cause 1.5T a month, the total would still be around 3T, because they'd give up another region to avoid ratting losses make more treaties to avoid wars, call back reavers, postpone Burn Jita(Amarr) and survive. If my donation recipients would cause 3T+ a month, they'd failcascade.
Do you have any actual evidence to back up this theory of yours?
Because as far as I see it these losses just represent the easy ganks a coalition the size of the imperium offers. And someone WILL take those, regardless of who (if anyone) pays them.
I would suggest that your donations have ensured that the ganks are taken by fewer groups as those groups can be more active and thus farm more efficiently.
Of course, from your blog evidence and correlation are not things you overly concern yourself with. Your repeated claims (implied in the above post again) that the Imperium shrank because of ratting kills utterly ignores every other aspect of the game. And your own statistics which clearly show those losses pre-sov change had were no reason to reduce sov. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
421
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Posted - 2015.05.12 04:28:32 -
[200] - Quote
The April ratting data is out. If killing ratters does nothing, why did CFC kill 2M less rats in April than in March?
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2530
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Posted - 2015.05.12 04:53:03 -
[201] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:The April ratting data is out. If killing ratters does nothing, why did CFC kill 2M less rats in April than in March?
Because its fuccin summer. People go outside.
Are you an asshole? Do you like flying with other assholes? Can you listen to the FC and not be horribad?
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Gericht
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
8
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Posted - 2015.05.12 16:17:42 -
[202] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:The April ratting data is out. If killing ratters does nothing, why did CFC kill 2M less rats in April than in March?
If your hope was right you'd see the following. 1. MOA et al assault ratters. 2. Ratters get demoralized 3. Ratters stop loggin in. 4. MOA et al get less kills. 5. MOA et al start doing other stuff. 6. More ratters log in. 7. Go to 1. This would create a fluctuating pattern with maybe (if you're really lucky) a downward trend as eventually people stop logging in at all. You do not see this. Even after a full year + of analyzing data.
What you actually see is periodic drops, which happen to coincide with major sov shuffles. I'd propose due to the following reason.
1. Major war/sov resuffle happens 2. Ratting goes down for a month while everyone is moving stuff about and getting things sorted and log in for planned combat fleets rather than their ratting alt. 3. Ratting goes back to normal as things wind down. 4. Wait for 1.
Your very own data show that a full year of your donations have not significantly impacted either the willingess nor the ability of people to fly insanly expensive bling ships in a stupid manner in the Imperium. Which would lead anyone but you to the conclusion that appearantly those dying to MOA et al have money to burn, otherwise you'd see less and less bling ships blowing up.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5777
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Posted - 2015.05.12 18:05:22 -
[203] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:The April ratting data is out. If killing ratters does nothing, why did CFC kill 2M less rats in April than in March? I love how null overall killed like 11m less rats, CFC killed 2m less and their percentage of the total rats went up, and you seem to think this is your campaign against ratters affecting the CFC. If anything it shows a drop across null (likely due to impending changes) which the CFC is less affected by than many other groups, hence the rise in total rat share. Like any other idea though, it's all speculations since the data presented is simply not enough to draw solid conclusions from.
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Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
1012
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Posted - 2015.05.12 19:01:47 -
[204] - Quote
This thread confuses me. I think whatever you are doing with that isk you should instead place it all on my head as a bounty.
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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
798
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Posted - 2015.05.12 19:06:21 -
[205] - Quote
I saw Xenuria name and came to see whats up. A semi rational post. Xenuria's account must be stolen.
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Free The Scope Three
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Kant Boards
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.05.13 16:40:00 -
[206] - Quote
Its been over a year, 2 years? Are we dead yet?
Can we get a timeline until absolute destruction of the evil from EVE Online? |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
2739
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Posted - 2015.05.13 17:04:56 -
[207] - Quote
Kant Boards wrote:Its been over a year, 2 years? Are we dead yet?
Can we get a timeline until absolute destruction of the evil from EVE Online?
Soon(TM).
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
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Kant Boards
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.05.13 19:16:10 -
[208] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Soon(TM).
I'll check in next year to see if we're dead yet. I expect Goblincare-¬ for tiny npc space dwellers to have surpassed 1 trillion by then
dont disappoint me gevlon
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2489
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:36:38 -
[209] - Quote
The two week contract has ended. A few wars we'll keep for now, with the donations from Gevlon. No contract, but we stil make some isks with the donations.
If someone else wants to continue the contract, feel free to contact us.
We love loot pi+¦atas !
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
261
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Posted - 2015.05.16 14:34:10 -
[210] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:The two week contract has ended. A few wars we'll keep for now, with the donations from Gevlon. No contract, but we stil make some isks with the donations. If someone else wants to continue the contract, feel free to contact us. We love loot pi+¦atas !
..So in the end you got what you wanted, Dec cost + profit.
It's hilarious that Gevlon threw a little temper tantrum and called you "buttmad" for a few weeks on his blog, but then caves and goes back to Marmite when no other Merc showed any promise.
What does this show you, Gevlon? Besides Marmite, the HighSecers deccing a Sov Nul coalition, and MoA, there is no one else for you, or anyone, to pay to kill the CFC.
You going back to Marmite emphasizes how complete your failure is. |
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
421
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Posted - 2015.05.16 15:14:55 -
[211] - Quote
Syds Sinclair wrote:It's hilarious that Gevlon threw a little temper tantrum and called you "buttmad" for a few weeks on his blog, but then caves and goes back to Marmite when no other Merc showed any promise. Actually they get 4.6B/week which is less than the 6B/week wardec costs I used to pay. Also, it's now depending on kills and not on just deccing a war and doing nothing. No kills, no money. It's hilarious how Goon forum alts forget numbers in their propaganda.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
261
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Posted - 2015.05.16 15:45:43 -
[212] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Syds Sinclair wrote:It's hilarious that Gevlon threw a little temper tantrum and called you "buttmad" for a few weeks on his blog, but then caves and goes back to Marmite when no other Merc showed any promise. Actually they get 4.6B/week which is less than the 6B/week wardec costs I used to pay. Also, it's now depending on kills and not on just deccing a war and doing nothing. No kills, no money. It's hilarious how Goon forum alts forget numbers in their propaganda.
..They used to get 6b/week AND pay 6b/week in wardec fees. Now they get 4.6b/week and pay ~3b/week in wardec fees.
You threw a fit when Marmite wanted to be paid mercs by you and collect more ISK than the cost of the wardecs. You called Tora buttmad for a few weeks and shopped around for a replacement. You couldn't find any and now your temper tantrum is over, Tora is getting what he wanted.
Your failure is complete.
And I'm a Goon forum alt? You can't call everyone who points out your failures a Goon alt. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
164
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Posted - 2015.05.16 19:27:00 -
[213] - Quote
MMMmmm tears
BTW some of your 'fellow' hired lackee's are stuck in NPC stations unable to undock (unless running away in interceptors).
Might want to send more content* down!
*I use the word content very loosely. Every time it's grrr goons, its when blobbing a solo non-pvp ship. Anything else and the content* scatters in every direction. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2900
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Posted - 2015.05.16 20:53:41 -
[214] - Quote
d0cTeR9 wrote:MMMmmm tears BTW some of your 'fellow' hired lackee's are stuck in NPC stations unable to undock (unless running away in interceptors). Might want to send more content* down! *I use the word content very loosely. Every time it's grrr goons, its when blobbing a solo non-pvp ship. Anything else and the content* scatters in every direction.
It's called grrr goons for a reason , don't worry no one will ever say '' grrr SMA'' .You have more chance of ''who SMA?'' .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
262
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Posted - 2015.05.16 21:42:59 -
[215] - Quote
flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:MMMmmm tears BTW some of your 'fellow' hired lackee's are stuck in NPC stations unable to undock (unless running away in interceptors). Might want to send more content* down! *I use the word content very loosely. Every time it's grrr goons, its when blobbing a solo non-pvp ship. Anything else and the content* scatters in every direction. It's called grrr goons for a reason , don't worry no one will ever say '' grrr SMA'' .You have more chance of ''who SMA?'' , either that or ''lol SMA'' .
..SMA and the rest of the coalition being ok with that is the prime example of the benefits of diplomacy. The entire CFC coalition has decided that banding together and winning is more important then personal glory. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2901
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Posted - 2015.05.17 11:14:53 -
[216] - Quote
Syds Sinclair wrote:flakeys wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:MMMmmm tears BTW some of your 'fellow' hired lackee's are stuck in NPC stations unable to undock (unless running away in interceptors). Might want to send more content* down! *I use the word content very loosely. Every time it's grrr goons, its when blobbing a solo non-pvp ship. Anything else and the content* scatters in every direction. It's called grrr goons for a reason , don't worry no one will ever say '' grrr SMA'' .You have more chance of ''who SMA?'' , either that or ''lol SMA'' . ..SMA and the rest of the coalition being ok with that is the prime example of the benefits of diplomacy. The entire CFC coalition has decided that banding together and winning is more important then personal glory.
If you truly believe that then you are delussional.I didn't believe that before i joined FCON , not when i was in FCON and not after i left FCON.What you meant to say was that the coalition as a whole is fine by one of their members taking the glory and calling the shots.Wich in itself isn't bad , it works as has been shown over the past years , but thinking anyone in that coalition outside of goons can or will not be replaced over time is being verry shortsighted.
Simple example being the incident where SMA awoxed one of their own titan pilots because goons told them to as they ''assumed'' he was a spy.Now tell me with a straight face that if it was the other way around , or any of the other coalition members for that matter , goons would do the same.NO ******* way.
As said , that's not a bad thing , just don't be so ignorant as to think it is anything more then what it is.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
263
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Posted - 2015.05.17 11:34:44 -
[217] - Quote
..Then tell me what it is that contradicts what I said in my previous post. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2901
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Posted - 2015.05.17 14:29:41 -
[218] - Quote
Syds Sinclair wrote:..Then tell me what it is that contradicts what I said in my previous post.
Why would i repeat myself ?I clearly stated the difference and if you don't see it then no harm done .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2742
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Posted - 2015.05.17 15:31:14 -
[219] - Quote
flakeys wrote:Simple example being the incident where SMA awoxed one of their own titan pilots because goons told them to as they ''assumed'' he was a spy.Now tell me with a straight face that if it was the other way around , or any of the other coalition members for that matter , goons would do the same.NO ******* way.
As a card-carrying member of the LMFAO, SMA club, you clearly didn't read what was reported about the above incident. The titan pilot made a mistake, the FC took appropriate action. You also neglect to mention that afterwards, things were investigated and resolved; the titan pilot returned to the poo-flinging pit with his titan replaced.
Still, ignoring the facts is your MO, so at least you're consistent.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
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Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
263
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Posted - 2015.05.17 15:31:46 -
[220] - Quote
flakeys wrote:Syds Sinclair wrote:..Then tell me what it is that contradicts what I said in my previous post. Why would i repeat myself ?I clearly stated the difference and if you don't see it then no harm done .
..It seems as if you would like to disagree for the sake of disagreement. I don't believe either of our posts are in conflict with each other.
You wanted to poke at SMA, and I stated that SMA and the other alliances are ok with "Grrr Goons" being the default reaction to CFC victories.
You've grown trollish over the past few years =/ |
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Lim Yoona
9
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Posted - 2015.05.17 17:24:41 -
[221] - Quote
I could see investing in this project if there was any progress at all or a way to quantify success besides killmails. The target seems to be line members but I dont see any line members leaving. How long is it gonna take for this project to show some fruit?
The numbers dont lie, goons, CFC, Imperium are growing and half a year, 200b collected and 1T destroyed hasnt done a thing. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2492
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Posted - 2015.05.17 17:46:03 -
[222] - Quote
Lim Yoona wrote:The numbers dont lie, goons, CFC, Imperium are growing and half a year, 200b collected and 1T destroyed hasnt done a thing. You might want to look at the other alliances in 'The Librarians' (our nickname for the CFC) . Most are close to death. The corps that stay, join the Goonswarm alliance. Smart people hire Marmites to continue this destruction.
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Lim Yoona
9
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Posted - 2015.05.17 21:51:27 -
[223] - Quote
Um..
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Fidelas_Constans
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Tactical_Narcotics_Team
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Circle-Of-Two
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/SpaceMonkey's_Alliance
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/The_Bastion
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/RAZOR_Alliance
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Executive_Outcomes
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Get_Off_My_Lawn
Every single last CFC alliance including goons is waay up or steady growth. So again I ask, where is the progress?
People just arent leaving the CFC because they lost a ratting ship, they're not, prove to me otherwise. |
Cixi
10
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Posted - 2015.05.17 23:24:48 -
[224] - Quote
Lim Yoona wrote:Um..
People just aren't leaving the CFC because they lost a ratting ship, they're not, prove to me otherwise.
I've read some of the post on his blog, and I can only see the same results, more goons are getting killed but it doesn't looks like it affect them that much...
A great talk on the subject :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLAHCp2T4P0
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2903
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Posted - 2015.05.18 07:27:49 -
[225] - Quote
Syds Sinclair wrote:flakeys wrote:Syds Sinclair wrote:..Then tell me what it is that contradicts what I said in my previous post. Why would i repeat myself ?I clearly stated the difference and if you don't see it then no harm done . ..It seems as if you would like to disagree for the sake of disagreement. I don't believe either of our posts are in conflict with each other. You wanted to poke at SMA, and I stated that SMA and the other alliances are ok with "Grrr Goons" being the default reaction to CFC victories. You've grown trollish over the past few years =/
Details mate , the above was the middle of your post wich i agreed with and the bottom was sayng everyone was ok with taking a step into the shades for the greater good of the CFC to wich my response was that that claim was false.It's a small detail but one that makes a huge difference as to who get's to call the shots.
As for being a troll , i can not help nor care how others perceive my posts.It's just there to pass the time mate , it's not like we are discussing world changing problems .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2494
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Posted - 2015.05.18 09:00:18 -
[226] - Quote
Lim Yoona wrote:Every single last CFC alliance including goons is waay up or steady growth. So again I ask, where is the progress? People just arent leaving the CFC because they lost a ratting ship, they're not, prove to me otherwise. I wonder where they came from
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Greater_Western_Co-Prosperity_Sphere/corporations
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Fatal_Ascension/corporations
Like I said..... Hire Marmites today. The end is near.
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Lim Yoona
9
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Posted - 2015.05.18 15:59:56 -
[227] - Quote
No, the end is not near. Fozziesov killed renting except in the drone regions which are worthless anyways, FA had leadership, apathy and organizational issues since Zagdul left and the vast majority of those people went to current CFC alliances anyways
Nobody is leaving the CFC, no amount of isk or killmails or interceptor roams, JF kills or BLOPS drops can effect an organization that large.
It just isnt happening and cannot happen. But uh..the whole grr thing is a nice bit of roleplaying I guess so, carry on. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2495
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Posted - 2015.05.18 19:26:24 -
[228] - Quote
Aha, classic case of "I didn't want that alliance anyway"
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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alpha36
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2015.05.18 19:27:06 -
[229] - Quote
Gen Eve putting that Goblin money to good use http://imgur.com/LIyUyUc |
Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
264
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Posted - 2015.05.18 23:56:23 -
[230] - Quote
..All part of the plan. Marmite will use those Legions to camp Jita and roam HighSec, which will eventually make the Imperium lose Sov.
Right? |
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alpha36
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2015.05.19 04:30:02 -
[231] - Quote
His broken english is tough to understand sometimes but I think hes saying they bought 400b worth or mordus legion BPCs because one guy is camping 5ZXX with some chimeras and Gen Eve thinks the mordus BPs will double in price |
Strawberry Mooses
Lucky Runners
1
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Posted - 2015.05.19 11:14:25 -
[232] - Quote
Ummm. Wat?
GWCPS is a renter alliance. We don't even do renters anymore.
FA merged into GSF member corps a month ago as well.
Keep camping the Amarr undock and grrrrr goning, my love. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2903
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Posted - 2015.05.19 12:26:19 -
[233] - Quote
Strawberry Mooses wrote:Ummm. Wat? GWCPS is a renter alliance. We don't even do renters anymore.
FA merged into GSF member corps a month ago as well.
Keep camping the Amarr undock and grrrrr goning, my love.
That is what he was saying ....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
692
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Posted - 2015.05.19 12:58:10 -
[234] - Quote
flakeys wrote:Strawberry Mooses wrote:Ummm. Wat? GWCPS is a renter alliance. We don't even do renters anymore.
FA merged into GSF member corps a month ago as well.
Keep camping the Amarr undock and grrrrr goning, my love. That is what he was saying .... I too love arguments that rebut themselves +1
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Forum BFFL of Mo
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Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.05.19 18:41:49 -
[235] - Quote
Lim Yoona wrote:Nobody is leaving the CFC, no amount of isk or killmails or interceptor roams, JF kills or BLOPS drops can effect an organization that large.
But we lost 2 titans and 4 supercarriers to pirates (and Black Legion). The end is coming.
I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
422
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Posted - 2015.05.20 03:59:13 -
[236] - Quote
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:Let's wait another year and the Imperium is no more. I want to believe. Looking at the trend how you lose regions, yes, in a year you'll have none left.
Also in the news: Goons so much don't care about MoA that they decided to "hellcamp" it. I've made a little statistics how the previous hellcamps affected MoA [spoiler: they didn't, as their station can't be flipped] http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hu/2015/05/taking-out-trash-attempt-3.html
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Lim Yoona
12
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Posted - 2015.05.20 04:07:43 -
[237] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:how the previous hellcamps affected MoA spoiler: they didnt So riddle me this: if a 13,000 man alliance like GSF cant affect a 1,000 man alliance like MOA then how is MOA supposed to affect/destroy GSF?
Even if something catastrophic happened and GSF lost all sov, The Imperium imploded and everyone reset each other then wouldnt GSF become MOA? Living in NPC space like Syndicate or Pure Blind and harassing bigger groups?
Yes that sounds familiar because all this has happened before. I know its a longshot expecting or hoping for a logical answer but cmon nobody can be this delusional can they?? |
Corey Lean
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2015.05.20 04:18:55 -
[238] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:Let's wait another year and the Imperium is no more. I want to believe. Looking at the trend how you lose regions, yes, in a year you'll have none left. Also in the news: Goons so much don't care about MoA that they decided to "hellcamp" it. I've made a little statistics how the previous hellcamps affected MoA [spoiler: they didn't, as their station can't be flipped] http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hu/2015/05/taking-out-trash-attempt-3.html You nerds are makin a lot of noise about something that isnt affecting you. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2906
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Posted - 2015.05.20 10:57:02 -
[239] - Quote
Lim Yoona wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:how the previous hellcamps affected MoA spoiler: they didnt So riddle me this: if a 13,000 man alliance like GSF cant affect a 1,000 man alliance like MOA then how is MOA supposed to affect/destroy GSF? Even if something catastrophic happened and GSF lost all sov, The Imperium imploded and everyone reset each other then wouldnt GSF become MOA? Living in NPC space like Syndicate or Pure Blind and harassing bigger groups? Yes that sounds familiar because all this has happened before. I know its a longshot expecting or hoping for a logical answer but cmon nobody can be this delusional can they??
Uhm , you're talking to gevlon mate .....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2747
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Posted - 2015.05.20 17:25:35 -
[240] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Looking at the trend how you lose regions, yes, in a year you'll have none left.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
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Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.05.21 04:14:19 -
[241] - Quote
Lim Yoona wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:how the previous hellcamps affected MoA spoiler: they didnt So riddle me this: if a 13,000 man alliance like GSF cant affect a 1,000 man alliance like MOA then how is MOA supposed to affect/destroy GSF?
It's because we are playing the sandboxgame wrong. We are sitting on top of a huge empire with lots of friends and allies and grief the **** out of everyone not goon, even allies (according to our enemies). Because of the way we play we are stupid and whatever and so everything we do is doomed.
MoA on the other hand is a small group of people with no allies (lol), who play the game just for fun by shooting "everyone" like EVE is "supposed to be played". So they are smart and clearly better at playing EVE than we are.
Conclusion: We must lose everything in the end, and because of that quitting EVE forever. Grr Goons success.
I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.
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Big Lynx
1418
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Posted - 2015.05.21 04:45:37 -
[242] - Quote
"I can prove anything by statistics except the truth." (Teflon Gobleen, 2015)
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Lim Yoona
12
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Posted - 2015.05.21 18:23:51 -
[243] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:"I can prove anything by statistics except the truth." (Teflon Gobleen, 2015) He proves himself wrong all the time. His last buttmad post about PBLRD guys joining Fcon and SMA just negated however many hundreds of billions he spent on marmite wardecs. Nobody left PBLRD, not even when it closed, they joined Fcon and SMA lmao. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
423
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Posted - 2015.05.23 04:41:03 -
[244] - Quote
Lim Yoona wrote:So riddle me this: if a 13,000 man alliance like GSF cant affect a 1,000 man alliance like MOA then how is MOA supposed to affect/destroy GSF? Simple: GSF is a ratter alliance. Kill enough ratters and they quit for a safer alliance. MoA is a PvP alliance. You'd have to defeat them in combat (ruin their killboard) to make them quit.
MoA can kill GSF ratters. GSF can't defeat MoA in combat.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Celestine Gindack
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.05.23 07:24:46 -
[245] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Lim Yoona wrote:So riddle me this: if a 13,000 man alliance like GSF cant affect a 1,000 man alliance like MOA then how is MOA supposed to affect/destroy GSF? Simple: GSF is a ratter alliance. Kill enough ratters and they quit for a safer alliance. MoA is a PvP alliance. You'd have to defeat them in combat (ruin their killboard) to make them quit. MoA can kill GSF ratters. GSF can't defeat MoA in combat.
This guy knows what is up. I am too afraid to undock my precious Ishtar as these villains will come and destroy it. :( I am just lucky the GSF has let me be late on my renter payments.
Who will come save the poor Thetans in their time of need.
We need a hero!
We need, The Hebrew Hammer! |
Lim Yoona
12
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Posted - 2015.05.23 16:57:42 -
[246] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Simple: GSF is a ratter alliance. Kill enough ratters and they quit for a safer alliance Finally a straight answer! So after half a year, 200b collected and 1T destroyed how many GSF have quit for a safer alliance?
http://imgur.com/7XkCQdd
Either MOA isnt doing as good a job as you think they are (not enough ratters killed) or you are wrong about what they do when they lose a ratting ship (leave for safety)
Who is wrong or performing poorly? You or MOA? |
Corey Lean
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2015.05.23 17:06:28 -
[247] - Quote
Ratting alliance
http://imgur.com/wo32UIs |
Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
274
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Posted - 2015.05.24 03:00:13 -
[248] - Quote
Syds Sinclair wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Syds Sinclair wrote:Syds Sinclair wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:The April data is ready. The top CFC killer is once again Mordus Angels with 153B Second place: Out of Sight.: 128B Third: The Marmite Collective: 94B NC. did 64B during an ongoing war. Anyone wants to place his trust in them instead of Mordus? ..Do you know what sov is? Did you even think of the outcome of giving Marmite ISK this go around? Where do you think that money is going, and why do you think it will lead to more CFC kills? ..So Gevlon's donation is going to pay for more wardecs against the CFC? Going to fund SRP for only losses against the CFC? Srp? Why would you need srp for killing them? Wait people lose ships to the librarians? ..Exactly my point. It was a donation from Gevlon, not a contract. So Tora isnt required to use that ISK to WarDec The Librarians. And there is no SRP to help kill The Librarians. From Gevlon's perspective and keeping with his goals of hurting The Librarians, how does donating to Marmite further his cause? It doesn't. Gevlon is the Galactic Idiot.
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2015/05/weekend-minipost-only-moa.html?m=1
..If only someone could have foreseen this unexpected outcome. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
745
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Posted - 2015.05.24 04:52:36 -
[249] - Quote
Sadly we overfished them again
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2505
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Posted - 2015.05.24 11:06:39 -
[250] - Quote
And so the wars end again. Next time Gadget, next time !
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Royally
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
11
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Posted - 2015.05.30 10:54:29 -
[251] - Quote
Lol, they dont get donations anymore, so they decide to declare war on MOA again..... Too bad we dont frequent highsec all that much. Come pay us a visit in 5z. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2508
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Posted - 2015.05.30 15:12:36 -
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Sorry mate, we are mercs. The CFC wars ended, so we could accept contracts from their side again.
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Makenshi Drakonnen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2015.05.31 20:20:09 -
[253] - Quote
Thank you to Mordus Angels for gloriously donating a revenant for our victory celebrations. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Cheeki Breeki Corp Meet The Bandits.
840
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Posted - 2015.05.31 20:23:31 -
[254] - Quote
Makenshi Drakonnen wrote:Thank you to Mordus Angels for gloriously donating a revenant for our victory celebrations. Link?
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Makenshi Drakonnen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2015.05.31 20:36:01 -
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I'll link it when it's dead, in the mean time http://www.twitch.tv/themittanidotcom |
Makenshi Drakonnen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2015.05.31 21:30:35 -
[256] - Quote
https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29130717 |
Noragen Neirfallas
Cheeki Breeki Corp Meet The Bandits.
844
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Posted - 2015.05.31 21:38:29 -
[257] - Quote
Ma3kenshi Drakonnen wrote:https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29130717 nice. I'm guessing this was on purpose?
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Royally
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
13
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Posted - 2015.05.31 23:17:43 -
[258] - Quote
Ofcourse, its an alt of DBRB that he got into MOA to wreck our kb efficiency or something.... That we only care about our kb is a piece of propaganda the CFC actually started to believe itself.
But this is meh, its funny that it happened, but it was basicly the CFC building a supercap so they could shoot it and then brag about killing a blue rev. |
Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2015.06.01 04:14:22 -
[259] - Quote
Be thankful, the fourth loss of this ship is now forever in your KB. You are now among the legends.
I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.
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Big Lynx
1570
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Posted - 2015.06.01 05:28:26 -
[260] - Quote
Where Gevlons money goes... |
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2983
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Posted - 2015.06.01 09:58:27 -
[261] - Quote
Royally wrote:Ofcourse, its an alt of DBRB that he got into MOA to wreck our kb efficiency or something.... That we only care about our kb is a piece of propaganda the CFC actually started to believe itself.
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I think it has more to do with your ''top donator'' showing spreadsheet after spreadsheet how your kb efficiency is doing.It probably also is the reason why DBRB came to the idea of doing it this way.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Akballah Kassan
Zeura Brotherhood Mordus Angels
2
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Posted - 2015.06.01 12:06:39 -
[262] - Quote
So CFC blow up their own super to trash the killboard of an 'irrelevant' alliance?
To go to so much trouble must mean, in reality, MOA are in fact super relevant to the CFC goonbots! |
Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2015.06.01 14:49:57 -
[263] - Quote
Akballah Kassan wrote:So CFC blow up their own super to trash the killboard of an 'irrelevant' alliance? To go to so much trouble must mean, in reality, MOA are in fact super relevant to the CFC goonbots!
The plan was to blow up the super. That it was in MoA was just the icing of the cake. It would have died anyway.
I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
423
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Posted - 2015.06.15 04:21:23 -
[264] - Quote
MoA broke its record in killing CFC with 275B in May: chart
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2857
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Posted - 2015.06.15 05:55:26 -
[265] - Quote
This is still a thing?
Holeysheet1 is afraid of thunderdome matches.
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Nofear Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2015.06.15 08:06:37 -
[266] - Quote
Makenshi Drakonnen wrote:https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29130717
Hilarious the length some people will go in this game - pretty pathetic show of human nature - but considering the OPs process for dewhoring KMs I guess this has very little effect......bad luck
Alt and proud
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
423
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:12:29 -
[267] - Quote
Nofear Alt wrote:Makenshi Drakonnen wrote:https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29130717 Desperate Goons are desperate. With a little help from donators, MoA can crush them.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2868
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:19:13 -
[268] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Nofear Alt wrote:Makenshi Drakonnen wrote:https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29130717 Desperate Goons are desperate. With a little help from donators, MoA can crush them.
Reported for empty quoting.
Holeysheet1 is afraid of thunderdome matches.
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Nofear Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2015.06.16 08:06:24 -
[269] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:Nofear Alt wrote:Makenshi Drakonnen wrote:https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29130717 Desperate Goons are desperate. With a little help from donators, MoA can crush them. Reported for empty quoting.
Oh dear - no one allowed to make a mistake around here?
Leto: adding to community since 2013
Alt and proud
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
977
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Posted - 2015.06.16 09:37:26 -
[270] - Quote
Nofear Alt wrote: Oh dear - no one allowed to make a mistake around here?
Leto: adding to community since 2013
Not harassing trolling or flaming since 3 days ago
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Nofear Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2015.06.16 09:52:21 -
[271] - Quote
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Nofear Alt wrote: Oh dear - no one allowed to make a mistake around here?
Leto: adding to community since 2013
Not harassing trolling or flaming since 3 days ago
Says head troll and harasser ;-)
Let's keep on topic - I know it's upsets you I continue to post but let it go ;-)
Alt and proud
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
978
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Posted - 2015.06.16 10:05:02 -
[272] - Quote
Nofear Alt wrote: Says head troll and harasser ;-)
Let's keep on topic - I know it's upsets you I continue to post but let it go ;-)
Quoted for hilarity
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Fatal pewpew
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:08:36 -
[273] - Quote
I dont get it.
feel like there is a lot of twisted logic in here. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
423
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Posted - 2015.06.22 04:55:54 -
[274] - Quote
A recent piece of news. Mordus Angels clashed with the SMA signature fleet and won in a decisive battle. Support them in their glorious adventure!
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6317
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Posted - 2015.06.22 14:42:58 -
[275] - Quote
Oh no, MOA killed some miners and a whole 4.5b. However will we ever recover from such a reeling defeat? Not requiring a third party to donate isk for us to stay in ships is a good start.
We get it, you failed to stop Burn Amarr and now you're attempting to save yourself from the agony of having to admit failure by changing the subject.
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Eldwinn
Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion
303
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Posted - 2015.06.22 23:56:12 -
[276] - Quote
Why does anyone care about this again? Like I get the whole "evil" goonswarm thing. Rumble, rumble and rumble. Grr goons and so on. However have you stopped to think, let's not give them attention? Goonswarm is an old irrelevant organization. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6318
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:21:34 -
[277] - Quote
He wanted to join them and wasn't allowed so now he's all mad. I don't think he has it in him to stop being grr goons. It's entertainment though so let him go on. You should have seen the amazing level of fail in Amarr local during Burn Amarr until he realised he was irrelevant and stopped showing up.
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2572
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:47:48 -
[278] - Quote
Only one effective way to kill the evil goons in high-sec........ hire Marmites!
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2015.06.23 14:15:42 -
[279] - Quote
On a side note: was that Titan bounty ever claimed? A lot of goon titans have died since.
I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.
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alpha36
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2015.06.23 16:47:28 -
[280] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:A recent piece of news. Mordus Angels clashed with the SMA signature fleet and won in a decisive battle. Support them in their glorious adventure!
I enjoyed your rage posts over burn amarr. |
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2574
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Posted - 2015.06.25 10:32:41 -
[281] - Quote
alpha36 wrote:I enjoyed your rage posts over burn amarr. Burn Uedama by Code.
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Big Lynx
2851
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Posted - 2015.06.25 12:22:38 -
[282] - Quote
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:On a side note: was that Titan bounty ever claimed? A lot of goon titans have died since.
Titan |
Lord LazyGhost
Bear Bones Brigade The Bastards.
494
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Posted - 2015.06.25 12:31:47 -
[283] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Belthazor4011 wrote:Isn't a Mordus Angel a belt rat? I sponsor CCP enough with my account thanks... Also being happy with a 1 to 5 ratio? Thats almost as silly as giving the ISK to Code (I said almost! Nothing is THAT silly) isnt marmite something you spread on toast?
Only if you have no soul |
Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2919
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:36:01 -
[284] - Quote
Titan.
Holeysheet1 is afraid of thunderdome matches.
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Kant Boards
The Scope Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.06.27 17:04:58 -
[285] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:alpha36 wrote:I enjoyed your rage posts over burn amarr. Burn Uedama by Code.
Tora you're back to drinking gevlons koolaid did he start giving you isk again or something?
Titan |
Kaivar Lancer
Placid Peace Corps
622
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Posted - 2015.06.28 13:49:32 -
[286] - Quote
Wow, so Goonswarm are losing to Gevlon? How does it feel? |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1080
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Posted - 2015.06.28 13:58:53 -
[287] - Quote
Somebody explain the Titan thing to the uninformed (me) please
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Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:06:34 -
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A few month ago or so Goblin said he will give 20 billion isk to the first killer of an imperium titan. He thought that would encourage awoxers or whatever (for 20 billion, sure thing) to get out there and actually sacrifice a imperium titan. Since then a lot of imperium titans died but it seems that no one has claimed the bounty. (maybe I missed the post, which would be embarrassing... or not)
The main reason might be that he had a couple of really stupid rules how the money was to be claimed and that no one besides MoA cares about him or takes him serious enough to follow his stupid rules.
It remains yet another failure of him and the 20b ISK might rot in Chribba's wallet for all eternity.
Since then every time this get mentioned people write "Titan".
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346745
Go claim it!
I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.
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Big Lynx
3051
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Posted - 2015.07.02 08:26:40 -
[289] - Quote
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote: ...and that no one besides MoA cares about him or takes him serious...
who ever cared about him? |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
427
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Posted - 2015.07.06 03:52:30 -
[290] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote: who ever cared about him?
You. Otherwise, you'd just ignore this thread.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
3038
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Posted - 2015.07.06 04:23:08 -
[291] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Big Lynx wrote: who ever cared about him?
You. Otherwise, you'd just ignore this thread.
Wrong. We like **** threads because they keep us entertained. You never think people can take idiocy to a higher level...until they do.
Holeysheet1 is afraid of thunderdome matches.
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