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kieron
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:10:00 -
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Tux's long awaited (and accidently overlooked) Blog on some of the ECM changes under discussion has finally been published.
With apologies to Bob Marley, Jammin!
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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anister
Black Omega Security
The OSS
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:13:00 -
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awesome blog =]
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Gun Rush
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:14:00 -
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Overlooked how could you overlook this? Anyway thanks. |
Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:14:00 -
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Sounds like a good solution indeed.
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Ilmonstre
Minmatar
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:14:00 -
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who knows maybe no more multispec of doom after this with some luck
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:14:00 -
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An interesting solution. I'll wait to see how it plays on the test server before getting too emotional. 
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ediz Daxx on 23/10/2006 12:15:46
Sounds like decent changes. Not too much and not too little.
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Zarthanon
Gallente
Random Acts of Violence
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:15:00 -
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Looks sexy TBH... yeah baby, YEAH!
Fragm on taking BB space: Originally by: Fragm/thedragoon
So we know what we are doing YES
do we expect this to be all over in 2 weeks NO
are we going to see it through to the end YES
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:15:00 -
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Sounds about right to me, I think we suggested exactly this about 5 months ago didn't we ?
Old blog |
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:16:00 -
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Hey, kieron, it's okay to sticky this thread. You don't have to wait on me to say so. 
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Stein Voorhees
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:16:00 -
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Definately one to look at one the Test Server. One question, will the ECM Strength bonus on those ships which already have them (Rook, Falcon, Scorpion) be increased to take into account the ECM module strength reduction or is it the intention to reduce ECM strength across the board (ECM dedicated ships vs non)?
Great blog.
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Ductoris
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Hey, kieron, it's okay to sticky this thread. You don't have to wait on me to say so.
You know we can't do anything around here without running it by you first, Polaris hasn't been the same since you guys had that contract out against us.
Oh won't anyone think of the POSes....
Glue Applied
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:20:00 -
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Quote:
Step 1: Lower the jam strength of all ECM modules
Win! And make it significant.
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Zarthanon
Gallente
Random Acts of Violence
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Hey, kieron, it's okay to sticky this thread. You don't have to wait on me to say so.
TBH, I think he was waiting for me.
Fragm on taking BB space: Originally by: Fragm/thedragoon
So we know what we are doing YES
do we expect this to be all over in 2 weeks NO
are we going to see it through to the end YES
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Atreides Ghanima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:20:00 -
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W00t, I lub you Tux!!!
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:22:00 -
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I like it in theory, but he hasnt included numbers.
Also, the system is still the same, which means idiots with jammers can still get lucky and permajam you.
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EvilNate
Caldari
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:24:00 -
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I like it
Nate.
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Scorpyn
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:24:00 -
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You've still not considered partial jamming? And no EW drone changes planned?
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:28:00 -
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The problem here is: the other races EW ships/ recons - which (exept the amarr one maybe) do not have a better tank than the blackbrid/recon variations - usually also fit ECM instead of their own racial EW.
What is with the balance of the different EW systems to each other?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:29:00 -
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Good, but I'd still like to see a way to decrease your chance of getting jammed by increasing your non-racial sensor strength.
As things stand, the multispectral ECCMs are arguably the least useful modules in the game.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 23/10/2006 12:31:29
Looks promising, and seems to address most of the major concerns raised regarding ECMs.
I'll be interested in seeing how it plays out.
Am I right in reading that as EW ships will be about as good as before, but the scorp will be able to fit 'damage mods' to make it better? (But cost armour tank)
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Niding
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:34:00 -
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To what degree do the community want to see the ECM ability of a EW ship degraded?
I just hope the reduction of ECM isnt to the extent it renders EW ships useless.
A fleet/gang should compose of several elements, EW being one of them.
Only having ships slugging it out without variables beyond the number of lasers/turrets each side can muster, must surely be undesirable?
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Virida
Mindstar Technology
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:34:00 -
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Only testing could tell how it would work out, but i assume the idea is to keep the generic jamming capacity of one ECM unit the same in ECM dedicated ships, stacking nerf, and nerfing the non dedicated jamming ships.
hmm. my imediate though: would the Blackbird be best left as it is, but compensated better, with a extra mid slot?
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
The problem here is: the other races EW ships/ recons - which (exept the amarr one maybe) do not have a better tank than the blackbrid/recon variations - usually also fit ECM instead of their own racial EW.
What is with the balance of the different EW systems to each other?
In all honesty, I think that's mostly because tracking disruptors and damps aren't properly understood. ECM is a 'no brainer'. Fire it, get a percentage chance of messing someone up. Used appropriately, RSDs and Tracking disruptors are probably about as effective - 50% less tracking/optimal will severely hurt turret ships, and you can feasibly deploy that against several at once.
Add that to the fact that the 'non ECM ships' have enough mids to be ok at ECMs, but also enough firepower to fight out of a wet paper bag, makes that an appealing alternative to e.g. a blackbird.
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Ishana
Minmatar
Neo Knight Errant
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:43:00 -
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Meh... I'm not very anthousiastic about these changes...
It's a start I guess, but I was hoping for something better tbh.
It sounds to me that ecm gets nerfed across the board (good thing) EXCEPT for caldari.
Jup that's it i'm training for them.... (/me throws away 15mil of minnie skillpoints)
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:45:00 -
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So the ecm strength gang mod just got put into the same category as the sensor strength one? Poor Eos...
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Hey, kieron, it's okay to sticky this thread. You don't have to wait on me to say so.
Doh!  Posted the blog just before lunch and forgot the sticky.
kieron
Community Manager,
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
Step 1: Lower the jam strength of all ECM modules,
Step 2: Increase the ship bonuses of all dedicated ECM ships,
Step 3a: Create a new low slot module that boosts the jam strength of all ECM modules,
Step 3b: Stacking nerf the jam strength attribute.
QFT!!! very good. i was whining about it before christ was born!!
[b]GOOD CHANGES BUT NO HP CHANGES TUX WE DON'T NEED THEM
Originally by: Kusotarre
I am awesome in fleets, everyone on teamspeak trembles in fear as my battlecry blasts through their headphones, heralding a new era of target-less randomosity.
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Trojanman190
Caldari
Entropy Tech.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:55:00 -
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Absolutely perfect... ECM is still just as powerful as before, if not more powerful, but is no longer a crutch for every pvper with an extra mid. Absolutely EXCELLENT solution.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.23 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ishana
Meh... I'm not very anthousiastic about these changes...
It's a start I guess, but I was hoping for something better tbh.
It sounds to me that ecm gets nerfed across the board (good thing) EXCEPT for caldari.
Jup that's it i'm training for them.... (/me throws away 15mil of minnie skillpoints)
When was the last time you saw a scorp in anything other than large fleet?
For that matter, I don't see many BBs in PvP either, although they're a little more common.
The ECM specialised ships aren't commonly used, because they trade off having no tank, and no firepower for being EWar ships. And ... well frankly, a raven or a dominix is a better choice for 'small gang/solo' pvp for fitting ECMs too.
So yes, the devil will be in the details, but I like this move.
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