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Solwolf
Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nalrath Tolahnia ... 1. >90% of the logistics, your kidding right, which corps had the majority of the soverignty claiming POS's in CR - ToA/CHON/PMCO, with additions from other corps in XZH (GREYC, Cavemen, Ned-Clan, Rez, Jazz etc), RISE lost G8 and 9-4 (or should have) because of your incompetence of not ensuring remaining corps had erected POS's and set them claiming soverignty, and that a fleet was ready to retake the station, you had plenty of warning, hell when people tried to organise an alliance fund or reserve pool for POS's, fuel etc, who yelled all plans down, oh yeah Rilewedge and co. Worked out well for you didnt it. ...
Dude you're the clueless one. In the end with funding from BIG and REZ, REZ corp had the vast majority of RISE POS there at around 40. Chon and TOA put up 3 at the most. I have access to all of the council information. I don't see where Rilewedge blocked any initiative for the alliance to contribute to this. YouWhat in the end fielded 41 Large POS and were fielding capital ship fleets. Dhan asked for the alliance to chip in for this effort too. Very few corps bothered to chip in much.
I'm not even going to bother countering all your points one by one. Frankly my dear I just don't give a damn. You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about. Recruitment
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shuckstar
Gallente Lords Of Guile Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:29:00 -
[122]
GL CHON Give em Hell
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Frogzuk
Dragonian Freelancers Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:44:00 -
[123]
Good to see Shiv and Chon back to doing what they do best !
Good luck guys
froggy
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vache
Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:54:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Manc
Vache your corpse is in my hangar undergoing extensive testing (Abuse).
I know you love me and all, but please, no abusing a corpse. It's just wrong. If you really want to have my babies that much you can get LordXL to bed over for me and be the surrogate mother since i know he's made you barren. |
Nalrath Tolahnia
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.26 15:09:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Solwolf I'm not even going to bother countering all your points one by one. Frankly my dear I just don't give a damn. You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about.
You can see the council section, thats nice, but do not forget i was on the RISE council, Rise diplomatic crew and was a forum admin, so i kinda have all of that as well from that time.
before all the youwhat stuff blew up, i made a post detailing costs for maintaining 41 POS's, which was essential for maintaining undenaible control of XZH in the event of an attack, costs of buying them, and maintaining them per month, and that was part of advocating for an emergency fund - which certain people saw fit to reject outright since they felt corps came first, and the alliance didnt need billions sitting there doing squat incase of an 'emergency'.
Yes ill admit in the end Rez had the majority of POS's, Rez, BIG and other corps contributed to their purchase (Dhan overseeing their being placed as logistics minister), and partly why Rez had to have so many is because of PMCO and others leaving, and when the NORAD elements left pretty much the Euro capital forces went with them (besides insomniac US peeps)
'In the End' doesnt cut it, it was too little too late, if people listened to earlier proposals and actually helped get things done when not already invaded and royally up the duff, it might have turned out different (sorry about diverging back to the past Ray)
PS: on a lighter note - tell Vache to pad his post count, i still have the highest post count on the RISE forums ------------------------------------------------
War is Hell but it is the price we pay for the freedom we so desperately need.
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vache
Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.26 16:06:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Nalrath Tolahnia
PS: on a lighter note - tell Vache to pad his post count, i still have the highest post count on the RISE forums
Well you were always one of our top notch forum *****s. Keep up the good work mate! Love and respect to you. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs. |
Ban Tier
Times of Ancar THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2006.10.26 16:46:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Dhan
1. Remaining corps did > 90% of the logistics work BEFORE TOA/CHON left
Not true
Originally by: Dhan
2. Remaining corps did the overwhelming majority of the capital ship fighting
True
Originally by: Dhan
3. Remaining corps did majority of the regulat fleet shooting
Not true
Originally by: Dhan
4. Remaining corps pulled 99% of their active pilots out of empire+OR and into the fight
Not true
Originally by: Dhan
Do you understand? Good.
Well three of four, I understood what you are trying to do ...
A little tip for you: you earn respect by your acting and not by your words ...
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Solwolf
Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.26 17:27:00 -
[128]
Okay, it seems I need to apologize. I sometimes say things that I don't really mean, I'm human.
First, I didn't mean to make anti-NORAD comments. I liked NORAD a lot. I miss the old days when we were all friends. I'd like to see that again. I was disappointed when I arrived in Outer Ring though to find that NORAD had not really controlled the 10/10 complex in A2V for whatever reason. That's where my feelings about NORAD changed some. I do still respect the old NORAD alliance and I'm sorry I said anything bad about them.
Second some peoples comments about the lack of teamwork from the former Fountain Alliance corps also irritated me greatly. When Yakuza Corp left the alliance there was a coucil vote that allowed them access to our ingame military alliance channel. It appears the vote didn't come soon enough for Yakuza Corp though. They made a post on our forums stating that they'd set most of the former NORAD corporations to +10 while the rest would be neutral. Since Yakuza Corp had an NBSI policy and they didn't really answer the question of whether they'd fire on RISE pilots this angered quite a few people. The next thing I know there are posts from RISE members saying that they would never fire on Yakuza Corp to support another RISE member. Some even went so far as to create a Yakuza Corp fan club. That's not my definition of teamwork. Many people that made these comments and created the fan club left shortly after this, which is fine. However, I'm sure there are many other examples of teamwork that can be cited and perhaps the former NORAD corps can teach me a thing or two about, I'm open to that and would welcome it.
Ask people in RISE, but I have said that I'd be sick to fight some of these corps because I consider them friends. However it seems my friends goals and our goals are contradictory. We have to fight until we can either be friends again or until they leave. Again I didn't mean to make this an anti-NORAD deal because it's not. Win or lose, I wish you guys the best.
Sincerely,
Solwolf Recruitment
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SigmaPi
Pandoras Mining Covanant
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Posted - 2006.10.26 18:36:00 -
[129]
The lack of team work was from the begining Solwolf, and you of all people should know that. By the time even the Yakuza situation had happend the RISE situation was far too far out of hand.
As for logistics... say what you want, but i dont recall BIG stepping up in cloud ring when we were in need of battleships... the all mighty BIG industrial corp from hell with a slong the size of a walrus... turns out they dont have any participation in the alliance... In fact, the only time I recall seeing a BIG player was in empire, and the only time they spoke their voice was on the forums.
I am personally offended by some of the remarks from Dhan and Solwolf and others, but I know its a game... I know we just want to have fun... right? Or is that just a scape goat so you guys can feel better about what you say? It may be a game, but we are real people on the other side. PMCO may not have been a huge player in the grand sceem, but we had 1/5 of the sov claiming deathstars, we were producing the most, making the most effort, involved in the most things possible... and we are still getting bashed. I dont understand: there were people who I appreciated in FA, i really did, but all they care about is themselves. I did everything in my power to change the situations that caused the untimely break down of RISE, but no one (from Rez, BIGAA, BIG ... ect...) would listen to either my suggestions or others to fix the problems. I think you all know that I'm not one to flame or be overly agressive... but, I just thought I would let you know that I feel personally offended by what you RISE members have been saying here. |
Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2006.10.26 18:46:00 -
[130]
Originally by: SigmaPi the all mighty BIG industrial corp from hell with a slong the size of a walrus...
Sig worthy, thanks for the quote.
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vache
Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.26 18:48:00 -
[131]
Originally by: SigmaPi I think you all know that I'm not one to flame or be overly agressive...
QFT!
Originally by: SigmaPi I just thought I would let you know that I feel personally offended by what you RISE members have been saying here.
It goes both ways dude. I for one, think that all, bar one, of the members of PMCO constitute a damn fine corp and am glad to see ye still blue.
Much love to you siggy, you legend! _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs. |
Solwolf
Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:21:00 -
[132]
Originally by: SigmaPi The lack of team work was from the begining Solwolf, and you of all people should know that. By the time even the Yakuza situation had happend the RISE situation was far too far out of hand.
As for logistics... say what you want, but i dont recall BIG stepping up in cloud ring when we were in need of battleships... the all mighty BIG industrial corp from hell with a slong the size of a walrus... turns out they dont have any participation in the alliance... In fact, the only time I recall seeing a BIG player was in empire, and the only time they spoke their voice was on the forums.
I am personally offended by some of the remarks from Dhan and Solwolf and others, but I know its a game... I know we just want to have fun... right? Or is that just a scape goat so you guys can feel better about what you say? It may be a game, but we are real people on the other side. PMCO may not have been a huge player in the grand sceem, but we had 1/5 of the sov claiming deathstars, we were producing the most, making the most effort, involved in the most things possible... and we are still getting bashed. I dont understand: there were people who I appreciated in FA, i really did, but all they care about is themselves. I did everything in my power to change the situations that caused the untimely break down of RISE, but no one (from Rez, BIGAA, BIG ... ect...) would listen to either my suggestions or others to fix the problems. I think you all know that I'm not one to flame or be overly agressive... but, I just thought I would let you know that I feel personally offended by what you RISE members have been saying here.
Well I don't agree with you obviously. Thank you for sharing your opinion though. You're welcome to discuss it with me ingame if you wish. Recruitment
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Guurel
Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:30:00 -
[133]
Quote: The lack of team work was from the begining Solwolf, and you of all people should know that. By the time even the Yakuza situation had happend the RISE situation was far too far out of hand. [...]
QFT.
Normally i simply ignore threads that are developing in the direction the current theread is but as i am also concerned with this issue i just can't ignore it this time.
Siggy pretty much pointed out the essentials. As ex-minister of the Interior and ex-RISE Diplomat i saw the lack of teamwork in RISE from day one. It allways took ages for the so called council to decide on any issue and it was very annoying sometimes. Well i continued as long as i could and also the many good mates from former NORAD and FOUNTAIN (they know who i mean with that) did great work at that time. But the merger was kinda doomed from the begining. At first it seemed like a clever thing to merge 2 alliances that had a long friendly history to cover all timezones but the differences in opinions regarding how to run an alliance were to big... NORAD as said before, at that time, was like a family. Everyone knew his mates and their reliability, we all worked for NORAD and not our own corps primarily. I thought, as FA arrived and RISE was formed, we could overcome these differences but i was mistaken. So slowly many ex-NORAD guys i knew for a long time got dissatisfied with RISE, including myself (i remember countless issues about the XZH plex and RISE members acting like they were in kindergarden still). Then came Outbreak and seriously, the participation of former FA mebers in RISE gangs was miserable (as said before that might have been a timezone problem, i can only speak from my mostly euro-time experience), but hey, they did not threaten our sovereighnity (which at that point was held by ONLY ex-NORAD corps including TOA,CHON, PMCO mostly with participation of 1 FA corp: REZ). Well that changed later as YW attacked us but it could have happened a lot earlier if the council would have been able to decide on something (and the lack of decision finding was mostly because of Fountain peeps denying most suggestions without bringing in their own... I said mostly NOT only). It was allready too late for RISE at that point. The decision to leave RISE was made long before the POS spamming in XZH for most NORAD corps (at least i know that for YAK, CHON and TOA - my ex-corp). At that time i was even reluctant to log in with all the **** going on in council and nothing happening at all. For many mates in RISE it might have appeared so that the NORAD corps left because they did not want to fight but believe me that is not correct... and I have to admit it was a rather 'suboptimal' time of leaving, but the decision was made long before.
Before my corp left RISE however came the decision to follow my good RL friends Kmacross and Schneiderr to D2 and i found that i could enjoy eve again with the ASW guys shooting random people in the south :)
To sum it up: RISE failed because of differing opinions about nearly everything and the false pride of some old FA AND NORAD guys. I am really ashamed of some of you guys talking bad about your ex alliances mates now.
Because TOA is my ex-corp and was like a family for me nearly my whole eve-life i cannot stand them being denounced here. I know what they did for RISE and what effort they put in it (at least at the begining and regarding the settlement of CR).
I hope you get over it, stop insulting each other and find the fun in eve again.
Wow.. i like to think that this is a quiet 'objective' story of my RISE-experiences, no further flaming intended i just HAD to write this even if I may have repeated something that was said earlier in this thread ... :P
Btw I <3 you all guys, ex-NORAD and ex-RISE :)
Thanks for reading !
/guu
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SigmaPi
Pandoras Mining Covanant
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:35:00 -
[134]
thanks for letting me know where i stand solwolf... I'm glad to know that friendship is only skin deep. My corp did nothing to offend you, and (asside from the one incedent where neather party acted mature) we have never done anything contrary to the best effort we could muster.
As for vache, thank you for the kind words. PMCO was under the impression that we were neutral or even red to RISE, nice to have that cleared up.
I also do realize that the harsh feelings go both ways, but we also need to learn to not generalize. many people posting here have been applying steriotypes to "NORAD" and "FA" groups. I wish that would stop, but - I am only one man... |
Solwolf
Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:42:00 -
[135]
Originally by: SigmaPi thanks for letting me know where i stand solwolf... I'm glad to know that friendship is only skin deep. My corp did nothing to offend you, and (asside from the one incedent where neather party acted mature) we have never done anything contrary to the best effort we could muster. ...
Wow you need to ask Talidorn about the old official RISE web page and what he's done with it. You guys are still blue though so don't sweat it. Recruitment
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Cmd Woodlouse
Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:45:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Solwolf Schiender,
I don't understand why you'd take Chon's side when D2 is allied with us. We have a NAP with YouWhat too. Not only that YouWhat is hostile to Chon. Your support for Chon seems to be misplaced. Maybe you should go talk to your friends a bit.
Besides, you have evidence that I'm wrong? Isn't anyone curious why BOB allowed NORAD to have Outer Ring so easily? Why do you think they did that?
If your a diplomat or representative for RISE then omg are they doomed...
Dont write sh1te like this, ppl can express their oppinions on these forums regardless of which alliance they belong to.
Oh and D2 is not FA with crap like posting fines.
I still can remember the incredible arrogance and stupidity of the very old FA leadership back in the times when CE was in that alliance.
Seems to me that not alot has changed... --------------------------------
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SigmaPi
Pandoras Mining Covanant
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:48:00 -
[137]
You know...
Egos are the biggest problem with humanity. Some of us are able to set it aside, and some of us are not. I can't speak for either "party" in this matter, but I know the two egos at play mutually escolated the distrust between them, and that is the cause for all ends.
You had every opertunity to step away, just as Talidorn did, ... just because you both want to have the last word is no excuse for any thing. |
Solwolf
Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:08:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse ...
If your a diplomat or representative for RISE then omg are they doomed...
Dont write sh1te like this, ppl can express their oppinions on these forums regardless of which alliance they belong to.
Oh and D2 is not FA with crap like posting fines.
I still can remember the incredible arrogance and stupidity of the very old FA leadership back in the times when CE was in that alliance.
Seems to me that not alot has changed...
Well I'm not a diplotmat. I'm speaking my own opinions as well. I'll try to keep my posts more diplomatic. I didn't mean to offend.
Convo or message me ingame if you wish to dicuss it further please. Recruitment
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LordXL
Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:10:00 -
[139]
Is now a good time to point out that all exNorad corps / people left in RISE are of course welcome to come and join us in any way they feel comfortable with.
There are of course corps within RISE which are still blue to YAK - you know who you are...
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Earthan
Gallente GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:10:00 -
[140]
Quote: was disappointed when I arrived in Outer Ring though to find that NORAD had not really controlled the 10/10 complex in A2V for whatever reason. That's where my feelings about NORAD changed some.
Solwolf sorry but to me in that statemnt you act like dumb and dumber.
You witneesed yourself what happend when you touch a2: bob comes and blobs you.Obviosuly norad wasnt able to beat BOB in a front fight wich it has to be with poses , as even FA+Norad wasnt.
So waht were you dissopintd about lol?
- A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
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Earthan
Gallente GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:15:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Solwolf
Originally by: Nalrath Tolahnia ... 1. >90% of the logistics, your kidding right, which corps had the majority of the soverignty claiming POS's in CR - ToA/CHON/PMCO, with additions from other corps in XZH (GREYC, Cavemen, Ned-Clan, Rez, Jazz etc), RISE lost G8 and 9-4 (or should have) because of your incompetence of not ensuring remaining corps had erected POS's and set them claiming soverignty, and that a fleet was ready to retake the station, you had plenty of warning, hell when people tried to organise an alliance fund or reserve pool for POS's, fuel etc, who yelled all plans down, oh yeah Rilewedge and co. Worked out well for you didnt it. ...
Dude you're the clueless one. In the end with funding from BIG and REZ, REZ corp had the vast majority of RISE POS there at around 40. Chon and TOA put up 3 at the most. I have access to all of the council information. I don't see where Rilewedge blocked any initiative for the alliance to contribute to this. YouWhat in the end fielded 41 Large POS and were fielding capital ship fleets. Dhan asked for the alliance to chip in for this effort too. Very few corps bothered to chip in much.
I'm not even going to bother countering all your points one by one. Frankly my dear I just don't give a damn. You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about.
no solwolf its you who is tottaly wrong.
IF you havent found rilewdge+ his fa buddies blocking of alliance fund you havent tried to find it at all.
Dhan might have asked it then but IT WAS TO LATE.Grycouncil wasnt aroudn there alrdy but you FA seems to be like children when it comes to orgnisation: you cant do such thing right onm short notice.The right time for this was before all this , when he had peace yet.And then FA leaders Rilewdge among them was blocking ev verythign they coiuld just to prove they are right , their noeses up to the sky not listening to any arguments. - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
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Earthan
Gallente GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:23:00 -
[142]
Quote: Besides, you have evidence that I'm wrong? Isn't anyone curious why BOB allowed NORAD to have Outer Ring so easily? Why do you think they did that?
and with this Solwolf im loosing all of my respect to you.
You cant think about it right? That Norad actually foght for OR and it wasnt that easy it was damn hard.That FA couldnt do what Norad did: fought off a piece for Eve space for themselves.You are to arrogant even to consider a possiblity that Norad might have been simply better then FA when it came to territorial fighting, speciialy harrasement against superior forces.
Sure Bob if they wanted realy and devoted more forces could kill us.Sure OR is quite ****ty and thats why BOB didnt bother to hard.
But BOB did bother a bit and we fought them and we troubled them and we won our territory.You couldnt even fight the weak xellas that was then in Fountain.
So remebr facts : Noread has won its territory on eve map.FA didnt. - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:30:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Earthan
Quote: Besides, you have evidence that I'm wrong? Isn't anyone curious why BOB allowed NORAD to have Outer Ring so easily? Why do you think they did that?
and with this Solwolf im loosing all of my respect to you.
You cant think about it right? That Norad actually foght for OR and it wasnt that easy it was damn hard.That FA couldnt do what Norad did: fought off a piece for Eve space for themselves.You are to arrogant even to consider a possiblity that Norad might have been simply better then FA when it came to territorial fighting, speciialy harrasement against superior forces.
Sure Bob if they wanted realy and devoted more forces could kill us.Sure OR is quite ****ty and thats why BOB didnt bother to hard.
But BOB did bother a bit and we fought them and we troubled them and we won our territory.You couldnt even fight the weak xellas that was then in Fountain.
So remebr facts : Noread has won its territory on eve map.FA didnt.
Earthan \o/
Given OR hehehe.. makes me feel good. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
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Solwolf
Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:34:00 -
[144]
Well I and some corps in my former alliance would run the complexes in Fountain as much as we could regardless of whether or not it drew the ire of BOB. We were fighting them as much as could anyway so it didn't matter. I was disappointed in that it appeard NORAD had given up on it. Maybe I'm wrong, if so I apologize.
Attempting to insult people in an attempt to win an argument makes it seem that you don't have a logical argument to begin with. Calling me dumb doesn't support your argument at all.
I would prefer to be friends and talk things out, but it seems some just want to fight. Either way is cool with me. I'd prefer to discuss this ingame from now on. This forum bashing stuff is stupid. Recruitment
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SigmaPi
Pandoras Mining Covanant
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:37:00 -
[145]
first off, you arnt in-game, so i can't talk there...
secondly, your argument about "calling people dumb" is not a way to get the point across? you are just as guilty as he.
I would like to discuss with you some things, but you arn't online atm. |
M0RPH
Amarr Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:43:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Earthan But BOB did bother a bit and we fought them and we troubled them and we won our territory.You couldnt even fight the weak xellas that was then in Fountain.
The only reason we couldn't defeat Xelas is because BoB blobbed us every time we got the upper hand. They could have done the same to you in Outer Ring if they were bothered. Anyway that's a different topic entirely.
I'm growing tired of this forum war crap already tbh. I think it's obvious both sides have bad feelings about what happened and we could continue with this forever. I'd prefer to handle this ingame instead of bashing each other back and forth on these public forums. Although I'm sure it's entertaining to some. :)
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Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:45:00 -
[147]
Quote:
The only reason we couldn't defeat Xelas is because BoB blobbed us every time we got the upper hand.
Sounds Familiar...Very Familiar _______ My pod is filled with beer. Dont make me spring a leak
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Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:53:00 -
[148]
*claps* *waits for guitar solo* _______ My pod is filled with beer. Dont make me spring a leak
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vache
Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:53:00 -
[149]
Maybe a song will fix all this!
Nerina Pallot - Everybody's Gone to War
I've got a friend, he's a pure-bred killing machine, He said he's waited his whole damn life for this, I knew him well when he was seventeen, Now he's a man who'll be dead by Christmas.
And, so... Everybody's going to war, But we don't know what we're fighting for, Don't tell me it's a worthy cause, No cause could be so worthy.
If love is a drug, I guess we're all sober, If hope is a song I guess it's all over, How to have faith, when faith is a crime? I don't want to die... If God's on our side, then God is a joker, Asleep on the job, his children fall over, Running out through the door and straight to the sky, I don't want to die...
For every man who wants to rule the world, There'll be a man who just wants to be free, What do we learn but what should not be learnt? Too late to find a cure for this disease. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs. |
Earthan
Gallente GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:57:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Solwolf Well I and some corps in my former alliance would run the complexes in Fountain as much as we could regardless of whether or not it drew the ire of BOB. We were fighting them as much as could anyway so it didn't matter. I was disappointed in that it appeard NORAD had given up on it. Maybe I'm wrong, if so I apologize.
Attempting to insult people in an attempt to win an argument makes it seem that you don't have a logical argument to begin with. Calling me dumb doesn't support your argument at all.
I would prefer to be friends and talk things out, but it seems some just want to fight. Either way is cool with me. I'd prefer to discuss this ingame from now on. This forum bashing stuff is stupid.
Calling you dumb wasnt my argument.The arguments was there, calling yuo acted dumb by typing what you did was hmm a description.
Thats how i am i say what i think: if something is white i call it white, if i think someone acted dumb , i tell him he acted dumb.Im repeating it wasnt my argument it was descirption of your post that i quoted and i tottaly sustain it. - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
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