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Shivaja Caldari CHON	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:41:00 - [1] Success is not final, failure is not fatal is the courage to continue that counts! Dear RISE noobs, Let me quote someone from the old NORAD boards to start: Originally by: WiZZyWiGG Brainwashed? I never saw anything in RISE that remotely resembled the kinship that was NORAD, some of the people in RISE are just arrogant and greedy. Besides them saying that CHON has to leave OR? LOL... What a joke. CHON is OR. So from now on most of you older players know what this is about. RISE has really made my day. I really laugh a lot. Do you really think you can kick me from my region? If you were not aware, Imperium Alliance once tried and did not succeeded. In the end, they could only fight me if they outnumbered me 8 to 1 I hope you keep your dignity, pack your things, and leave the region rather than mimicking tactics like Imperium. Hell, even BOB tried to kick us out.. and failed. At that time CHON was very low on fighters! What makes you think you can now when CHON is in full strength? Do you think your pathetic alliance is going to push us out from our region? Especially now, when we are not alone like in the old days. Now we have our brothers in arms: Yakuza and Times of Ancar. Many of us are veteran guerilla fighters from the times when BOB was trying to push us out. SO... I offer you a shameful solution. Just pack ur things and leave Outer Ring and we may consider not shooting you in the process. Shiv out P.S. Listen up pilgrims. A day without the blood is like a day without sunshine. Shivaja Queen of Outer Ring CHON ceo NORAD Kill Board
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:45:00 - [2] everybody knows if u dont wanna be kicked u cant be as long as there is npc stations. though Chon u got me on u side Give em hell. u deserve the area more than any else. its a disgrace for Minmatar
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:48:00 - [3] a outer ring without shivaja and chon will never happen. rise does indeed have problems now. give em hell Shivaja Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:53:00 - [4] From what I have seen of RISE (we have war decced them multiple times) they realy dont deserve to hold any 0.0 regions. Good luck guys, kick em out CEO - Art of War
Ria Sotori Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:54:00 - [5] CHON = Outer Ring Love them, Hate them, they deserve it. Let the pew pew start :D GL Chon!
Zirator Times of Ancar	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:55:00 - [6] Let the games begin
Faust Revis Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:55:00 - [7] CHON are some nasty buggers to kill. They were the ony thing left when Imperium rolled though OR. We killed everybody else and took it over, but not full cause of CHON who stayed there the whole time. Killed a lot of us and pestered the **** out of us. Good thing we eventually became allies, and hope it still stands that way. Hurrah for CHON \o/
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:59:00 - [8] Have fun -------------------------- Ahh.......Freedom....I love Fountian........
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:59:00 - [9] And so begins the ultimate race to see who can dock quickest and longest. Good luck to both sides.
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:00:00 - [10] GL CHON, Nice to see what seems to be the only ever pvp part of RISE realise what a blot on the map their old alliance is. [EVE TASK BAR?]
Kanibal CHON	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:01:00 - [11] omg, I guess too much pvp can turn one's head. But Shiv collected by far more kills and deaths in OR than anyone else so he may have right to be a little attention addicted. Anyway if you don't like Shiv's way of announcing plz accept my alternative version: gl & hf
M0RPH Amarr Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:16:00 - [12] Both sides know you all wanted this anyway Shivaja. I mean seriously, you think we can let you strip mine NM every time it respawns, use ALL the best moons in the region, AND kill friendlies in our space? When you joined Rise, you gave up your claim to Outer Ring. You helped layout the initial structure of Rise and you agreed to it. Then you bailed when it got tough instead of trying to change things. You come here and flame us and call us noobs. I expected more from you honestly. You forget some of us have fought BoB for 2+ years as well. Some of us were left fighting in XZH while you were killing in syndicate and then simply left us to die. I'm proud of what we did accomplish in XZH, without you. So there are two sides to this you see. Both sides have their views. Both sides have hard feelings towards each other. I wish we could have remained friends. I wish I didn't have to post this, but YOU decided to bring it here and put us down. See you on the battlefield fellas. GL, HF
David Godfrey D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:25:00 - [13] GL CHON --------------------------------- Ghey Seal of Approval
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Shivaja I really laugh a lot. Do you really think you can kick me from my region Hard to kick anyone out from an NPC region King Tinfoil Hatter
myggan Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:46:00 - [15] gl to chon and give rira vanga a holla from me
Soulis Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:54:00 - [16] /me does a wardance. Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I steal groceries from old ladies when I'm not pirating in eve.
Shivaja Caldari CHON	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:57:00 - [17] Originally by: M0RPH I'm proud of what we did accomplish in XZH, without you. LoL u cant be serious about weak or two after we left rise you naped You What in Cloud Ring becouse u werent able to put up a fight against dtermined foe and rtreated to OR. And yea merging FA and NORAD was bigest mistake we oll norad corporations make just pity i did not see that before. No enemy was able to take NORAD down one simle merging with friendly aliance and we all down to square one Shivaja Queen of Outer Ring CHON ceo NORAD Kill Board
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.23 17:18:00 - [18] old FA ignorance and stupidity killed RISE, whats left is FA with a new name :( go give em hell ________ Asgar[D]¦
Ban Tier Times of Ancar	Posted - 2006.10.23 17:29:00 - [19] Originally by: M0RPH ... I mean seriously, you think we can let you strip mine NM every time it respawns, use ALL the best moons in the region, AND kill friendlies in our space? Yepp CHON, TOA and Yakuza are the worsest miners of Outer Ring and we surely were not able to fight and all kills on NORAD and RISE killboards are faked ... Your arrogance is unbeatable and if you think, it is only Shivaja who wanted this, well you are wrong, you will see. Really hope to see you on the battlefield and be asured, we will have fun Ban CEO Times of Ancar
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.23 17:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Nebuli From what I have seen of RISE (we have war decced them multiple times) they realy dont deserve to hold any 0.0 regions. Good luck guys, kick em out This pretty much sums it up. I have no love for anyone in Outer Ring, but RISE are just about the worse anything ever. Man, next thing you know I'll be quoting and agreeing with Pepperami.
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 17:47:00 - [21] Go CHON!!!!! Give em hell Shivaja
Rainbow Jesus Minmatar Grief Tactics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.10.23 17:52:00 - [22] I do like things that are flaming!
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 17:54:00 - [23] I like the approach. Go kill em all.
INZi coracao ardente	Posted - 2006.10.23 18:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Ban Tier Originally by: M0RPH ... I mean seriously, you think we can let you strip mine NM every time it respawns, use ALL the best moons in the region, AND kill friendlies in our space? Yepp CHON, TOA and Yakuza are the worsest miners of Outer Ring and we surely were not able to fight and all kills on NORAD and RISE killboards are faked ... Your arrogance is unbeatable and if you think, it is only Shivaja who wanted this, well you are wrong, you will see. Really hope to see you on the battlefield and be asured, we will have fun Ban CEO Times of Ancar if they're miners. ain't gonna be that hard to kill then. go have a blast and loose go chon.
Leilani Solaris Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.23 18:32:00 - [25] Shivaja is in a sekrit alliance with Outbreak and are going to finish RISE off for us!! /end start rumours
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 19:52:00 - [26] Heya Shivaja Do me a solid and punch all RISE nubbins in the face! >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
SPECTATIOUS PRINCESS	Posted - 2006.10.23 19:58:00 - [27]
C Duggan Gallente Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.10.23 20:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Shivaja [ Do you really think you can kick me from my region? _________________________________________ new aliance, new sig in the making. RISE above the rest.
Neurosis Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 20:22:00 - [29] I fully endorse this thread WTS t2 tissues to RISE _________________________________________________' "I have the ability and the experience to do destroy BoB and believe me, BoB is getting desperate" 'Madeye'McCreedy' [red]Sig is not eve r
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.23 20:23:00 - [30] I thought about so many things I could say to you Shivaja, but I'm not going to dignify this with a response. I'll just see you on the battlefield. Good luck and have fun. Recruitment
Phichi Team Americas Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.23 20:32:00 - [31] Save me some targets.... i'm bored. Muggers point out failures in one's personal security measures, but it does not alter the fact that they are muggers.
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.23 20:39:00 - [32] yeah, fun in outer ring again. as i also call this region my home, even if i no longer live there, i wish you all a lot of fun and some good fights! CHON, Yakuza and TOA (my old corp) will get what they want, no matter the costs, trust me
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.23 20:48:00 - [33] Originally by: M0RPH When you joined Rise, you gave up your claim to Outer Ring. Made me laugh. I¦m sure someone will tell you a story or two about the past, I will tell you one thing about your future: You are going to die ... alot. Have fun CHON and Shiv.
Chrony Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:04:00 - [34] I can say one thing for sure, CHON is never going to leave Outer Ring. I fought with them ages ago, I faught against them not so long ago, the only thing I can say for sure is that they wont give up, no matter what. GL CHON, TOA and Yakuza. Hey Shiv, Ban o/
Cmd Woodlouse Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:15:00 - [35] GL CHON -------------------------------- Spain ftw!
Guurel Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:22:00 - [36] I wish my old mates from TOA , YAKUZA and CHON luck in the retaking of their rightfull home ! I know they will never give up if it is about Outer Ring Oh, and hello to my ex-CEO Ban. Have fun ! /guu
LordXL Yakuza Corp	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:53:00 - [37] My contribution to this awesome thread: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Pack your bags RISE - this ones going to hurt :-)
Nahual Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:08:00 - [38] lol CHON you guys are fools, no-one can kick anyone out of an NPC 0.0 region, so good one on thinking you're great. When we were fighting RISE, the corps that I remember fighting us were Res, stromgrumers or something like that and some other one. The only thing I remember about CHON was the wcs that you had and the running that you did (I still like your CNR death ). At least they stuck it out to the end, you bailed when it got hard, nice way to cover your ass. So I wish RISE all the best in this, I may not like them, but I dislike your arrogance even more. ----------------------------------------------- FateCorp
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:55:00 - [39] I have nothing bad to say against Rise and hope no one takes it as such. Just wishing Shivaja and Chon good luck.
SigmaPi Pandoras Mining Covanant	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Nahual lol CHON you guys are fools, no-one can kick anyone out of an NPC 0.0 region, so good one on thinking you're great. When we were fighting RISE, the corps that I remember fighting us were Res, stromgrumers or something like that and some other one. The only thing I remember about CHON was the wcs that you had and the running that you did (I still like your CNR death ). At least they stuck it out to the end, you bailed when it got hard, nice way to cover your ass. So I wish RISE all the best in this, I may not like them, but I dislike your arrogance even more. You know absolutely nothing at all of the history of Outer Ring. This, and this alone, makes your post worthless. Good luck to my friends in CHON, ToA, and Yak. Don't let ignorant fools like this get you down.
betty spliter eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:04:00 - [41] As several people have pointed out (hi crean) CHON etc ARE the outer ring, they stayed put when IMP invaded and they've been staying put ever since, despite all attempts to move them. GL CHON TOA and YAK, not that you will need it
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:34:00 - [42] Originally by: Nahual At least they stuck it out to the end, you bailed when it got hard, nice way to cover your ass. So I wish RISE all the best in this, I may not like them, but I dislike your arrogance even more. you mate know pretty much nothing about the whole situation, so stop talking about reasons for this. people had their reasons and they had them even before you arrived in the outer ring, arrived in cloud ring, even before only one shot got fired there. what i really dislike are people talking about things they dont know sh*t about and its pretty lame to throw around with assertions which are just not true. keep that in mind for your future posts, get your facts together or just stay out. stick to this little advice so people might be interested in what you have to say. as i said earlier, good luck chon, toa and yak - and may all parties involved get some good and funny fights.
Turiya Flesharrower Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:50:00 - [43] Originally by: Schneiderr Originally by: Nahual At least they stuck it out to the end, you bailed when it got hard, nice way to cover your ass. So I wish RISE all the best in this, I may not like them, but I dislike your arrogance even more. you mate know pretty much nothing about the whole situation, so stop talking about reasons for this. people had their reasons and they had them even before you arrived in the outer ring, arrived in cloud ring, even before only one shot got fired there. what i really dislike are people talking about things they dont know sht about and its pretty lame to throw around with assertions which are just not true. keep that in mind for your future posts, get your facts together or just stay out. stick to this little advice so people might be interested in what you have to say. as i said earlier, good luck chon, toa and yak - and may all parties involved get some good and funny fights. This might surprise you, but these are public* forums. Seems to me that Outbreak have as objective a perspective as anyone, seeing as how they fought both Rise and CHON. In any case, you can't dig people out of NPC stations so this will just end up being a long-term guerilla conflict. -----
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:54:00 - [44] Edited by: vache on 24/10/2006 01:55:38 Does all this really matter? Just sit back, watch the fights and wait for the dust to setttle. Time will decide the victor, not peoples abilities to flame eachother. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs.
Kerosene Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:55:00 - [45] Two weeks ago Shivaja and their merry band of men left RISE and allied with TOA, Waffles and Yazuka. They informed me that me and my friends (Knights of Syndicate) shall no longer be allowed in the little constellation we live in. This constellation was open to all pilots regardless of alliance or standings and we all worked in peace and defended the constellation together. Since CHON couldn't share and be nice, I've not been nice. I will continue not being nice until my pocket is returned. Yes I'm ASCN. Yes I'm STK. But my friendship to -KOS- is greater than alliance politics and I will be with them. Your POS's are being taken down. Your supply lines to empire disrupted. I don't know if we'll win, but I do know I will have my pocket back. __ Originally by: Blacklight on BoB Just to be sure everyone is clear... We use spies. We listen to your TS. We feed you false intel. We have no qualms about it whatsoever..
Turiya Flesharrower Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:55:00 - [46] Originally by: vache Does it this really matter? Just sit back, watch the fights and wait for the dust to setttle. Time will decide the victor, not peoples abilities to flame eachother. Sounds like a good idea, if only BoB conformed to those principles -----
EnglishBob 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:15:00 - [47] Why aren't you in the south, fighting for your Alliance? ------------------
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:38:00 - [48] Originally by: vache Edited by: vache on 24/10/2006 01:55:38 Does all this really matter? Just sit back, watch the fights and wait for the dust to setttle. Time will decide the victor, not peoples abilities to flame eachother. Never heard that one before, hows that workin out for ya? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:39:00 - [49] Originally by: EnglishBob Why aren't you in the south, fighting for your Alliance? Maybe this is his "exit strategy." >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Kerosene Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:42:00 - [50] The war will still be there when I get back. This isn't about ASCN, it's about honouring friendship. __ Originally by: Blacklight on BoB Just to be sure everyone is clear... We use spies. We listen to your TS. We feed you false intel. We have no qualms about it whatsoever..
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Kerosene The war will still be there when I get back. This isn't about ASCN, it's about honouring friendship. What about your FRIENDS down south in ASCN? Shouldn't you be here helping them out? >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
EnglishBob 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:45:00 - [52] Originally by: HostageTaker Maybe this is his "exit strategy." Could be, If I was Chon, I'd be bricking it about having displeased some wardodger. ------------------
Borg017 BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.24 04:28:00 - [53] Originally by: Nahual CHON you guys are fools, no-one can kick anyone out of an NPC 0.0 region, so good one on thinking you're great. When we were fighting RISE, the corps that I remember fighting us were Res, stromgrumers or something like that and some other one. The only thing I remember about CHON was the wcs that you had and the running that you did (I still like your CNR death ). Exactly. Nuff said... Cya on the battlefield -----------------------------------------------
Borg017 BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.24 04:39:00 - [54] Originally by: SigmaPi Originally by: Nahual lol CHON you guys are fools, no-one can kick anyone out of an NPC 0.0 region, so good one on thinking you're great. When we were fighting RISE, the corps that I remember fighting us were Res, stromgrumers or something like that and some other one. The only thing I remember about CHON was the wcs that you had and the running that you did (I still like your CNR death ). At least they stuck it out to the end, you bailed when it got hard, nice way to cover your ass. So I wish RISE all the best in this, I may not like them, but I dislike your arrogance even more. You know absolutely nothing at all of the history of Outer Ring. This, and this alone, makes your post worthless. Good luck to my friends in CHON, ToA, and Yak. Don't let ignorant fools like this get you down. He speaks the truth and you know it siggy. We all threw our names into the hat for RISE. We all agreed that Outer Ring would be our home. We all agreed to go after Cloud Ring. We did it together. We agreed to do it as RISE. But then it got hot and some couldn't take it and people left. Now we are warring over a region we agreed would be under RISE. AFAIK, Chon left RISE and no longer claim OR. Very clever of Chon to make it seem like they are being "invaded" by RISE in their sacred homeland. -----------------------------------------------
The1 Amarr ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 04:53:00 - [55] Edited by: The1 on 24/10/2006 04:52:53 Shivaja, you sure have come a long way from three years ago when I use to kill you over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and...well, you get the point...lol. Glad to see you are still trying to hold down the fort in the OR.
Cherry Gallente Dragon Highlords	Posted - 2006.10.24 05:17:00 - [56] Edited by: Cherry on 24/10/2006 05:24:50 blah blah blah let the fun begin and the rightful owners of OR return i spent a lot of time fighting Shivaja in imperium and a lot of time fighting with him and have more respect for him than most of eve put together and im proud of being part of this fight against the odds as always vicctory will be ours no matter how long it takes so if you dont wanna live without any income in OR get out now like shivaja asked nicely
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2006.10.24 05:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Shivaja In the end, they could only fight me if they outnumbered me 8 to 1 Thank you for the laugh, I needed than. Docking was not called 'The Shivaja shuffle' because of your willingness to fight one on one. If you spend as much time nowdays fighting, as you did running agent missions, docking and running back out in NM-0EA... Youd be a formidable pilot. Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 07:21:00 - [58] Edited by: Mindlles on 24/10/2006 07:22:04 Originally by: Nahual lol CHON you guys are fools, no-one can kick anyone out of an NPC 0.0 region, so good one on thinking you're great. When we were fighting RISE, the corps that I remember fighting us were Res, stromgrumers or something like that and some other one. The only thing I remember about CHON was the wcs that you had and the running that you did (I still like your CNR death ). At least they stuck it out to the end, you bailed when it got hard, nice way to cover your ass. So I wish RISE all the best in this, I may not like them, but I dislike your arrogance even more. Signed
WiZZyWiGG Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 07:25:00 - [59] Lol some funny replies in this thread, lots of people who have no idea who CHON is and what they have done in the past. Getting people out of an npc region is possible, Outer Ring has seen it happen on a few occasions in the last 3 years when it has changed hands. People do end up giving up and moving out. If it ends up guerrilla then theres no better bunch of peeps than these guys to do it Anyway not really any need for me to say it but good luck to CHON, ToA and of course the Yak boys and girls . I know you will kill many targets in this and im glad to see Outer Ring yet again has another kind of civil war (sort of), its what the region is all about. Have Fun, I know you will ____________ BNC makes me feel Naughty
Miss KillSome	Posted - 2006.10.24 07:30:00 - [60] yeah, CHON has my support! I dont like RISE since they poded me on diplomatic mission to their chiefs..
Saal Iverson 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:11:00 - [61] There be alot of tough talking in this thread..... where was it a month or so ago :(
Tomsudy Minmatar Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:47:00 - [62] RISE never learn from their mistakes do they, i hope you guys finish em off once and for all. Hope one day that YAK, CHON and TOA remake NORAD and regain their rightful territory ________________________________________ THTA
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:57:00 - [63] Edited by: Garia666 on 24/10/2006 08:57:10 well nice to see there are good fights being held somewhere else ->My Vids<-
Lucci Caldari Yakuza Corp	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:26:00 - [64] Originally by: Kerosene The war will still be there when I get back. This isn't about ASCN, it's about honouring friendship. Funny, a corp mate of mine, who has a mission alt stationed there, said you've been there for over a year. As for the shooty shooty, I don't care who has the moral high ground here, fun times are ahead. Good luck RISE.
IcedBach Jr Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:45:00 - [65] Go Shiv, give em hell Praeludium to success http://www.rampage-eternal.net/sigs/type2/IcedBach%20jr.png Now that's a long one. Though, I'm afraid the limit is indeed 400 pixels wide. -ReverendM
Lucian Alucard Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:10:00 - [66] Shivaja is a pitbull and I am affraid to say it but she's got RISE by the balls!
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:39:00 - [67] Originally by: Saal Iverson There be alot of tough talking in this thread..... where was it a month or so ago :( as i tried to explain earlier, for many people and corps that left, at the time you arrived anywhere near outer ring/cloud ring, mostly all decisions already have been made and it was just a matter of time till corps push the magic button to be on their own again. all this alliance stuff... you know why you dont want to be involved in such any longer i guess.
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:21:00 - [68] Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 24/10/2006 08:57:10 well nice to see there are good fights being held somewhere else Dont you believe it. This is RISE we are talking about ... if you think RA is bad... good fights indeed... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Aves Jazz Associates R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:56:00 - [69] Originally by: Shivaja Dear RISE noobs, Laugh. Very mature, if this 'dispute' wasn't personal, you've made it personal now. We'll see howlong you will really last. In case everyone forgot, the Fountain Alliance has been in the same situation as NORAD for a long time, hence we merged. To think that we left Fountain because we were unable to live there anymore is folly. Your arrogance will be the end of you, and your post just made CHON lose all respect it once had from us. Game on!
Diacon Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:12:00 - [70] This is so funneh look like CHON ceo missed that part with wcs nerfing gl RISE AND SO TEH DOCK WARS BEGUN ---------------------------------
Femintaki Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:49:00 - [71] For me CHON has always stood for: C = Close friends H = Honourable and Honest O = Open to discussion when required N = Nasty opponents As someone who has known many of you for a long time and been through some tough times together I have to agree with many here who have said that CHON is Outer Ring. Good luck to you all ... not that Ithink you need it Love Fem Quote: Do or do not - there is no try!
Jeremiah Kane Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:53:00 - [72] Good luck and have fun guys :)
Kujin 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:46:00 - [73] Originally by: IcedBach Jr Go Shiv, give em hell the right spelling should be : Go Shiv, give em stabz I was trying to keep out of this thread, but the uber bullsh up in here just makes every normal ticking man scream.... Chon made a very small/ interesting couple of engaments way back in our campaign, but that¦s it... I personally don¦t care about history in this case, since my history towards chon is small and limited. so b4 any of you wannabe¦s are up to smack anything of what i said, go ahead, still,. .. as far as i have experienced it, chon especially deserves the (hopefully)upcomming wcs nerf .... no wcs on your setups will maybe return your pityfull ** to a state where people could/should respect you... all in all.. Bring it.. kill some, kill even more,, and then maybe post such a lame post on eve-o.... Even though i have my personal feelings on RISE,... with this statement, shivaja deserves a quicker death than RISE atm... Actions speak louder than words.. nuff said... ...nerf wcs...**
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:50:00 - [74] how childish all this talking about stabs... they are in the game, period. grow up
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:56:00 - [75] Originally by: Crellion Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 24/10/2006 08:57:10 well nice to see there are good fights being held somewhere else Dont you believe it. This is RISE we are talking about ... if you think RA is bad... good fights indeed... The ironic thing about this post is that I don't recall seeing you in or near Outer Ring at all. I'm guessing that you guys are mostly European. Most of RISE right now is in the US Timezone. This is ironic because Chon, TOA and company seem to be mostly European Timezone. Anyway, sorry I missed you. If you come around when I'm around I'll try to give you some fun. Recruitment
Kujin 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:19:00 - [76] Originally by: Schneiderr how childish all this talking about stabs... they are in the game, period. grow up how childish to use them and still be called pvp¦er...<- personal opinion ...nerf wcs...
LordPhoenix Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:21:00 - [77] What do BOB have anything to do with this conflict?? Shivaja mentions us twice. Or is it that BOB is a tool to measure your e-peens??
EnglishBob 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:41:00 - [78] Nobody's talking about BoB here, LordPhoenix, But on the subject of e-peens, I hear Cyvok's is bigger than yours. ------------------
LordPhoenix Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:56:00 - [79] dude, read the original post by shivaja. If there's not one word there that doesn't says BOB I'm going to hand in my GM H4X button!
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:51:00 - [80] Originally by: Solwolf Originally by: Crellion Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 24/10/2006 08:57:10 well nice to see there are good fights being held somewhere else Dont you believe it. This is RISE we are talking about ... if you think RA is bad... good fights indeed... The ironic thing about this post is that I don't recall seeing you in or near Outer Ring at all. I'm guessing that you guys are mostly European. Most of RISE right now is in the US Timezone. This is ironic because Chon, TOA and company seem to be mostly European Timezone. Anyway, sorry I missed you. If you come around when I'm around I'll try to give you some fun. Glad to hear it I havent actually been to Outer Ring but I have "fought" RISE (guess you missed the eleventy war decs), may the future bring more fun for all ... (for now my comment stands) Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Dhan Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.25 05:39:00 - [81] You wardeced a 0.0 alliance, have never seen our space, but your engagements outside OR (empire shoppers???) lead you to believe that you have anything relevant to comment on our fighting ability? Fabulous! Originally by: Crellion Dont you believe it. This is RISE we are talking about ... if you think RA is bad... good fights indeed... ... Glad to hear it I havent actually been to Outer Ring but I have "fought" RISE (guess you missed the eleventy war decs), may the future bring more fun for all ... (for now my comment stands) As for Chon/TOA/Yakuza....You guys helped form RISE and held leadership positions. But when the war got harder, your numbers shriveled down to nothing. You call RISE nubs, you've called us carebears, you say you'll teach us a lesson? What kind of forum propaganda is this??? Our guys have been fighting for months while you guys retreated to stripmine NM-OEA of crokite after every downtime. Even in the end, our leaders took our seriously underequipped (by then T1 battleships) fleets into fights against the well-equipped OUTBREAK fleets, where we knew the chance was small, as long as we thought there was a chance. But we went in. You guys didn't. You call us nubs and carebears? Shame on you. We've cleaned up the alliance after the war and let the killboard decide who's in and who's out. The RISE that's left is the RISE that fought. We have the force to claim Outer Ring, and you guys are squatters, here for the crokite and Promethium. We don't tolerate this and will shoot you on sight. Dhan
Promon Delnai Scorn. Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 05:46:00 - [82] Kill em all I say. Good luck to both sides ________________ Whoops, I jumped.
Vardemis Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 06:40:00 - [83] Good luck Shiv, I doubt you need it though.
WiZZyWiGG Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:55:00 - [84] Originally by: Dhan As for Chon/TOA/Yakuza....You guys helped form RISE and held leadership positions. But when the war got harder, your numbers shriveled down to nothing. You call RISE nubs, you've called us carebears, you say you'll teach us a lesson? What kind of forum propaganda is this??? Our guys have been fighting for months while you guys retreated to stripmine NM-OEA of crokite after every downtime. Even in the end, our leaders took our seriously underequipped (by then T1 battleships) fleets into fights against the well-equipped OUTBREAK fleets, where we knew the chance was small, as long as we thought there was a chance. But we went in. You guys didn't. You call us nubs and carebears? Shame on you. We've cleaned up the alliance after the war and let the killboard decide who's in and who's out. The RISE that's left is the RISE that fought. We have the force to claim Outer Ring, and you guys are squatters, here for the crokite and Promethium. We don't tolerate this and will shoot you on sight. Dhan Funny post, shows that you actually know nothing about the old NORAD guys.... somethings never change for the FA guys ____________ BNC makes me feel Naughty
Skelator Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 11:29:00 - [85] Originally by: M0RPH Both sides know you all wanted this anyway Shivaja. I mean seriously, you think we can let you strip mine NM every time it respawns, use ALL the best moons in the region, AND kill friendlies in our space? When you joined Rise, you gave up your claim to Outer Ring. You helped layout the initial structure of Rise and you agreed to it. Then you bailed when it got tough instead of trying to change things. You come here and flame us and call us noobs. I expected more from you honestly. You forget some of us have fought BoB for 2+ years as well. Some of us were left fighting in XZH while you were killing in syndicate and then simply left us to die. I'm proud of what we did accomplish in XZH, without you. So there are two sides to this you see. Both sides have their views. Both sides have hard feelings towards each other. I wish we could have remained friends. I wish I didn't have to post this, but YOU decided to bring it here and put us down. See you on the battlefield fellas. GL, HF And you Think you can Step in and start telling a Corporation who shed more Blood Sweat and Tears in Outer Ring that they cant mine out NM whenever they want?? And that your gonna dictate when they can or cant? Seems to me you dont nor ever will have a Claim to those Systems. From what I have been hearing the only corps Fighting were Shivaja's and Cherry's While the rest of you Carebeared and couldnt be bothered to come when needed. HOLD would Fly next to Shivaja/Cherry any day of the week. GO NORAD! StrongHold Knights First into Battle Last Out "HONOR is Everything" They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
Sovereign533 Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.25 11:52:00 - [86] \o/ Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus ^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed... i'm 1337 now
eshyx principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:01:00 - [87] I really hate eve politics. I do. Originally by: Skelator And you Think you can Step in and start telling a Corporation who shed more Blood Sweat and Tears in Outer Ring that they cant mine out NM whenever they want?? And that your gonna dictate when they can or cant? Seems to me you dont nor ever will have a Claim to those Systems. I do believe this discussion leads to nowhere. Just because when some are looking at the past (where all the corps were RISE and then "exodus" happened), some are looking at the very past (where there were Norad and FA). And ppl gonna stick to their views, so it's pointless. Originally by: Skelator From what I have been hearing the only corps Fighting were Shivaja's and Cherry's While the rest of you Carebeared and couldnt be bothered to come when needed. Honestly, unless this quotes part, I'd have continued to ignore this thread. But the above statement hurts too many ppl. There was a deadweight in RISE (hardly any organization has none). Now most of it has gone. But corps like Sturmgrenadier, Rez and PROMO were fighting a lot together with a few others, putting a lot of effort and resources into the oven of CR war. I'm not going to discuss politics here, past stories or whatever. What I'd like to see is at least some mutual respect. Also I'd like to thank 0utbreak for giving us some really good fights. P.S. Talking about some respect, I'd like to add the following. Considering eve-o information about alliances is rarely updated and there're a number of links on forum pointing to the old domain, placing offensive pages there even if not petitionable, but still low. I know who is the domain owner and responsible for changing dns records, but I'm not going to make it "personal" in any way. I'm just sad to see that kind of "political tricks" here.
M0RPH Amarr Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:18:00 - [88] Originally by: Skelator From what I have been hearing the only corps Fighting were Shivaja's and Cherry's While the rest of you Carebeared and couldnt be bothered to come when needed. You can't be serious mate. :) Comments like these just blow me away. I'm sorry CHON and friends have been filling your head with crap. I suggest you read some of these posts from our enemies in XZH. They will tell you who fought and who did not.
WiZZyWiGG Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:45:00 - [89] Edited by: WiZZyWiGG on 25/10/2006 15:52:45 Ok so if im the person who has to state the obvious I will for all the FA/Rise guys... All of this respect for CHON etc.. comes from the years of hard graft in OR before Rise even came about. The reason most of the good corps left Rise wasn't because of the war in CR but because of the FA members. The majority of them were unwilling to fight and and thought more about their wallets than their alliance. Ok so they may have got their act together in the end, but by then it was too late. Good corps had left and CR was all but lost. Corps in the end grew tired of fighting for an alliance who didn't seem to want to actually do very much, this led to less members willing to lose ships for these people and in the end making them want to leave Rise. ____________ BNC makes me feel Naughty
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:48:00 - [90] LOL!!! CHON and TOA were the only ones that fought in the CR conflict? What a pile of crap! Seriously people, i know CHON have long time standings and good relationships with many corps and people here, but don't be fooled by the ill bred propaganda being spouted by Shivaja and co. Ask our old foes in CR who was there fighting them day after day till the end of the war. They will be able to lay down the fatcs of the matter from their firsthand perspective. CHON and TOA we're offered the chance to negotiate a peaceful, and mutualy benifitial solution to the situation in OR before any war decs were launched. They refused to even talk with us, so now they will be forced to fight for the area they wish to expolit. That is all. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs.
Manc Yakuza Corp	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:59:00 - [91] Originally by: Dhan As for Chon/TOA/Yakuza....You guys helped form RISE and held leadership positions. But when the war got harder, your numbers shriveled down to nothing. You call RISE nubs, you've called us carebears, you say you'll teach us a lesson? What kind of forum propaganda is this??? Our guys have been fighting for months while you guys retreated to stripmine NM-OEA of crokite after every downtime. Even in the end, our leaders took our seriously underequipped (by then T1 battleships) fleets into fights against the well-equipped OUTBREAK fleets, where we knew the chance was small, as long as we thought there was a chance. But we went in. You guys didn't. You call us nubs and carebears? Shame on you. We've cleaned up the alliance after the war and let the killboard decide who's in and who's out. The RISE that's left is the RISE that fought. We have the force to claim Outer Ring, and you guys are squatters, here for the crokite and Promethium. We don't tolerate this and will shoot you on sight. Dhan I'll happily call you a nub Dhan. When have you ever seen a single yakuza in a barge let alone in NM-OEA ? Although saying that you'll be seeing us around there from now on & we won't be in hulks !! And as for implying we ran when things got tough, you know for a fact Yakuza left due to your alliances insistence on making all of Eve blue & the fact that most of the corps in the alliance were there for making there wallets grow fatter whilst insta docking or sitting in probe'able safe spots at the first sign of any trouble !! Oh & Nubler sounds far better than just nub. Nubler !!
DoctorGonzo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:18:00 - [92] I love the CHON guys... respect as usual! Best of luck smacking the RISE n00bs around, although you won't need it!
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:42:00 - [93] Edited by: Schneiderr on 25/10/2006 16:42:54 vache, dont get a headache, read WiZZyWiGG's post again more carefully. corps were already pised about the whole thing even before rise went for CR (check my earlier posts). about your diplomatic.. whatever.. stuff, YOU signed an agreement at least with one of those corps you are now fighting that they can use OR and its ressources in exchange for keeping the the OR entrance from syndicate clear and to assist you when you need more pilots for defence. but then maybe not even a week later this corp got a damn mass mail.. like also all the other corps, to get their stuff out of OR (to use clear words about what the mail was about). and now YOU are pised? start making friends for a change! edit.. damn bad-word-filter, hope it works now ;)
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:47:00 - [94] GL Shiv/Chon, Had a pleasure fighting you guys when we fought and you belong in Outer Ring and to former FA beating their chests in this thread .. LOL omg just LOL. Kryz
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:03:00 - [95] Seeing how BOB is supporting the ex-NORAD people, it's good to see that I'm on the right side of this conflict. Thank you for the endorsement. So what was the deal that the ex-NORAD guys gave to BOB over the 10/10 complex in A2V? I'm curious to know. It's been obvious for some time that there is a deal so don't try to deny it. It's something to the effect that BOB gets the 10/10 complex in order for NORAD to exist right? That with the fact that Outer Ring is a pretty crappy region that BOB didn't really want. I don't understand why BOB is so eager to endorse Chon either since aren't they saying in effect that they defeated you? I don't recall FA saying that the defeated BOB at any time. Besides FA is gone, this is RISE now, another animal. And Skelator, I somehow doubt that the Imperium Alliance approves of your message. I have a lot of personal respect for you though. It seems Chon is saying that they defeated the Imperium Alliance, but really wasn't it BOB that caused Imperium to leave Outer Ring? I don't understand why Imperium would be so eager to jump on the Chon bandwagon here. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. Recruitment
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:09:00 - [96] Originally by: Solwolf Seeing how BOB is supporting the ex-NORAD people, it's good to see that I'm on the right side of this conflict. Thank you for the endorsement. So what was the deal that the ex-NORAD guys gave to BOB over the 10/10 complex in A2V? I'm curious to know. It's been obvious for some time that there is a deal so don't try to deny it. It's something to the effect that BOB gets the 10/10 complex in order for NORAD to exist right? That with the fact that Outer Ring is a pretty crappy region that BOB didn't really want. I don't understand why BOB is so eager to endorse Chon either since aren't they saying in effect that they defeated you? I don't recall FA saying that the defeated BOB at any time. Besides FA is gone, this is RISE now, another animal. And Skelator, I somehow doubt that the Imperium Alliance approves of your message. I have a lot of personal respect for you though. It seems Chon is saying that they defeated the Imperium Alliance, but really wasn't it BOB that caused Imperium to leave Outer Ring? I don't understand why Imperium would be so eager to jump on the Chon bandwagon here. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. You're wrong. Remember where BNC comes from and you'll know why we are all still friends with a lot of the old NORAD guys even if we fight them from time to time.
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:12:00 - [97] /me hands over a tinfoil hat, but be careful, its my last one and i want it back after you get cured from this "bob is ebil" thingy
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:20:00 - [98] Schiender, I don't understand why you'd take Chon's side when D2 is allied with us. We have a NAP with YouWhat too. Not only that YouWhat is hostile to Chon. Your support for Chon seems to be misplaced. Maybe you should go talk to your friends a bit. Besides, you have evidence that I'm wrong? Isn't anyone curious why BOB allowed NORAD to have Outer Ring so easily? Why do you think they did that? Recruitment
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:33:00 - [99] this is a game mate - its possible to have friends or to sympathise with people which are "hostile" to you or at least not on your nap-list. but maybe you see a little bit more clear when you check my corp history. still dont know why you mentioned yw in your post.
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:54:00 - [100] Originally by: Solwolf Seeing how BOB is supporting the ex-NORAD people, it's good to see that I'm on the right side of this conflict. Thank you for the endorsement. So what was the deal that the ex-NORAD guys gave to BOB over the 10/10 complex in A2V? I'm curious to know. It's been obvious for some time that there is a deal so don't try to deny it. It's something to the effect that BOB gets the 10/10 complex in order for NORAD to exist right? That with the fact that Outer Ring is a pretty crappy region that BOB didn't really want. I don't understand why BOB is so eager to endorse Chon either since aren't they saying in effect that they defeated you? I don't recall FA saying that the defeated BOB at any time. Besides FA is gone, this is RISE now, another animal. And Skelator, I somehow doubt that the Imperium Alliance approves of your message. I have a lot of personal respect for you though. It seems Chon is saying that they defeated the Imperium Alliance, but really wasn't it BOB that caused Imperium to leave Outer Ring? I don't understand why Imperium would be so eager to jump on the Chon bandwagon here. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. im not bob yet i do have respect for the CHON ppl and shivaja due to fighting both with them and against them. RISE will never be able to get CHON and shivaja out of OR. its just never going to happen nomatter how much you try period. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:37:00 - [101] Edited by: LordXL on 25/10/2006 22:36:57 OMG I'm in a BoB thread!!!... hang on a minute...
Phaese Gallente Fleshreaper Inc	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:00:00 - [102] Edited by: Phaese on 26/10/2006 03:01:12 Originally by: Solwolf Seeing how BOB is supporting the ex-NORAD people, it's good to see that I'm on the right side of this conflict. Thank you for the endorsement. So what was the deal that the ex-NORAD guys gave to BOB over the 10/10 complex in A2V? I'm curious to know. It's been obvious for some time that there is a deal so don't try to deny it. It's something to the effect that BOB gets the 10/10 complex in order for NORAD to exist right? That with the fact that Outer Ring is a pretty crappy region that BOB didn't really want. I don't understand why BOB is so eager to endorse Chon either since aren't they saying in effect that they defeated you? I don't recall FA saying that the defeated BOB at any time. Besides FA is gone, this is RISE now, another animal. And Skelator, I somehow doubt that the Imperium Alliance approves of your message. I have a lot of personal respect for you though. It seems Chon is saying that they defeated the Imperium Alliance, but really wasn't it BOB that caused Imperium to leave Outer Ring? I don't understand why Imperium would be so eager to jump on the Chon bandwagon here. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. NORAD didn't even control the 10/10 before BoB rolled in. A small corp (Dark Design if I remember right) had a deathstar POS there and controlled that arm of OR. I was involved in trying get NORAD up there but not many other alliance members at the time felt a need to expand up into Sole (we were moving back from Syndicate at that time, so just moving to 4C was a change for a lot of people). Regardless though, **** hit the fan, and we had an ongoing war with Dark Design. BoB swept in sometime later and took out their "invincible" POS, and as far as I know the area has been under BoB control ever since. As for the "deal", the 10/10 is the only worthwhile resource OR offers; the rest of OR doesn't provide actual gain for BoB. Plus, BoB and NORAD are pretty friendly with each other (or at least, respect each other); I don't think BoB pilots particularly want to give NORAD a hard time just for the sake of giving them a hard time. [Edit] P.S., good luck chon, though rise is gonna need it more than you.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:05:00 - [103] Originally by: Kryztal GL Shiv/Chon, Had a pleasure fighting you guys when we fought and you belong in Outer Ring and to former FA beating their chests in this thread .. LOL omg just LOL. Kryz Who's chest beating? === It's great being [color=yellow]Amarr[/color], aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Nalrath Tolahnia GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:16:00 - [104] Nyack is going to shoot me for typing in here. Solwolf - your as clueless as ever. There was never any agreement regarding A2V between BoB and NORAD (tbh the only time there was one was when BoB wanted to get at Goon's and RISE stood aside..ironic tbh) NORAD attacked A2V twice in different forms, each time Dark Design dials 1800-BOB-HELP (protection agreement, alt corp whatever, who really cares tbh) and bob arrived in force, had some fights with NORAD, killed any POS's in A2 (sometimes YVA as well) and left again after enjoying themselves and keeping us out of A2, NORAD didnt have the numbers to counter the BoB forces dispatched, but we fought how and when we could. why did bob give up on OR (warning personal opinion's ahead) - tbh its a miserable region, with NPC stations and not alot going for it, NORAD forces have been kinda stubborn over time (its been discribed in rather less flattering ways ), we may have been small in numbers, but we stood up and fought when ever something came up, regardless of the massive losses inflicted on us relative to enemies killed in various cases. (BL still probably remembers Cherry's Bombapoc nightmare ). You can tinfoil hat things however you like, NORAD earned its right to have its tag returned over Outer Ring, many had/has been fighting in that miserable (yet somehow loved) region for tbh years in most cases, i guess maybe BoB (probably more BNC due to historical ties) respected us for putting up a fight. As for IMP - sure BoB did the dispatching, but any IMP's of the time will tell you CHON and later the other corps that reformed NORAD became a very annoying thorn in their side. While i dont discount the Fountain Alliance elements (which is the primary component of RISE now, only 3 or 4 of the NORAD corps remain, all others have left) you dont have a chance in Euro times, US time's sure SGHQ and Rez have the numbers, but thats how its always been, FA was always US heavy, NORAD Euro heavy, hence why the merger was in one way a good fit. Sorry to say, while im sorry for the ex-NORAD corps stuck in the middle of this little 'civil' war, RISE probably is not going to achieve anything more than killing POS's in US times, and being killed in Euro times. [center]-------------------------------------------- War is Hell but it is the price we pay for the freedom we so desperately need. A Waffle Life Member, Currently feeling a little Grey, so sought
Ahramaine Titans' Lair	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:06:00 - [105] The Outer Ring belongs to CHON, only people there before me who are still there now. G'Luck all (except RISE) o/ Manc Defrosting...
Dhan Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:13:00 - [106] Why do you feel compelled to make statements that make you look like a clown? Before your next post, please take a minutes to consult sources "in the know". Saves you another post like this. Let's summarize: 1. Remaining corps did > 90% of the logistics work BEFORE TOA/CHON left 2. Remaining corps did the overwhelming majority of the capital ship fighting 3. Remaining corps did majority of the regulat fleet shooting 4. Remaining corps pulled 99% of their active pilots out of empire+OR and into the fight Do you understand? Good. Dhan Originally by: WiZZyWiGG Edited by: WiZZyWiGG on 25/10/2006 15:52:45 Ok so if im the person who has to state the obvious I will for all the FA/Rise guys... All of this respect for CHON etc.. comes from the years of hard graft in OR before Rise even came about. The reason most of the good corps left Rise wasn't because of the war in CR but because of the FA members. The majority of them were unwilling to fight and and thought more about their wallets than their alliance. Ok so they may have got their act together in the end, but by then it was too late. Good corps had left and CR was all but lost. Corps in the end grew tired of fighting for an alliance who didn't seem to want to actually do very much, this led to less members willing to lose ships for these people and in the end making them want to leave Rise.
Stinger169	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:40:00 - [107] I see a lot of people flaming here that I dont remember seeing anywhere in OR or CR since the formation of RISE. To those people, you might be able to speak about who CHON used to be but you have no idea what you are talking about now. I was there in XZH every night sometimes for 6+ hours fighting -Y- and Outbreak and losing my fair share of ships doing it. I remember seeing a lot of Rez, SG, and Big/BigAA people in the gangs along with a few people from smaller corps (like me) who fought even though they didn't have as many resources for PvP. I NEVER remember seeing a single CHON person fighting for XZH. I have no idea where they were but they were not in XZH where the fighting happened. RISE will win. It might take a long time because CHON has no where else to go but RISE will win in the end.
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:19:00 - [108] Edited by: Earthan on 26/10/2006 06:20:17 Originally by: Nalrath Tolahnia Nyack is going to shoot me for typing in here. Solwolf - your as clueless as ever. There was never any agreement regarding A2V between BoB and NORAD (tbh the only time there was one was when BoB wanted to get at Goon's and RISE stood aside..ironic tbh) NORAD attacked A2V twice in different forms, each time Dark Design dials 1800-BOB-HELP (protection agreement, alt corp whatever, who really cares tbh) and bob arrived in force, had some fights with NORAD, killed any POS's in A2 (sometimes YVA as well) and left again after enjoying themselves and keeping us out of A2, NORAD didnt have the numbers to counter the BoB forces dispatched, but we fought how and when we could. why did bob give up on OR (warning personal opinion's ahead) - tbh its a miserable region, with NPC stations and not alot going for it, NORAD forces have been kinda stubborn over time (its been discribed in rather less flattering ways ), we may have been small in numbers, but we stood up and fought when ever something came up, regardless of the massive losses inflicted on us relative to enemies killed in various cases. (BL still probably remembers Cherry's Bombapoc nightmare ). You can tinfoil hat things however you like, NORAD earned its right to have its tag returned over Outer Ring, many had/has been fighting in that miserable (yet somehow loved) region for tbh years in most cases, i guess maybe BoB (probably more BNC due to historical ties) respected us for putting up a fight. As for IMP - sure BoB did the dispatching, but any IMP's of the time will tell you CHON and later the other corps that reformed NORAD became a very annoying thorn in their side. While i dont discount the Fountain Alliance elements (which is the primary component of RISE now, only 3 or 4 of the NORAD corps remain, all others have left) you dont have a chance in Euro times, US time's sure SGHQ and Rez have the numbers, but thats how its always been, FA was always US heavy, NORAD Euro heavy, hence why the merger was in one way a good fit. Sorry to say, while im sorry for the ex-NORAD corps stuck in the middle of this little 'civil' war, RISE probably is not going to achieve anything more than killing POS's in US times, and being killed in Euro times. yep good post natlrath. And Solwolf come on an agreement between norad and bob lol. If you dont remember rise attacked a2 ,together norad and fa, at start cause one of FA guys said bob wont help anymore and we got blobed like alwys.... One thing is disucss reasonably another saying tottal bull****.It looks as if you were trying to create some tinfoil hat theory just to make the other side look bad.Pretty low. why bob are backing old norad side?Cause of old history + propably because we usally gave them good fights with wahtever we could muster, far better fights then FA, so they got more respect for us. Greyc is atm trying to stay neutral cause we got many poeple we repsepct in Rise still + some old small norad corps , but im not tottaly sure i agree with this decision. - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
Nalrath Tolahnia GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:31:00 - [109] Originally by: Dhan Edited by: Dhan on 26/10/2006 04:26:35 Why do you feel compelled to make statements that make you look like a clown? Before your next post, please take a minutes to consult sources "in the know". Saves you another post like this. Let's summarize: 1. Remaining corps did > 90% of the logistics work BEFORE TOA/CHON left 2. Remaining corps did the overwhelming majority of the capital ship fighting 3. Remaining corps did majority of the regulat fleet shooting 4. Remaining corps pulled 99% of their active pilots out of empire+OR and into the fight Do you understand? Good. P.S. These corps (except Yakuza) have a handful of individuals whom I respect. They know who they are. Thats laughable Dhan - try acting a little less ignorant for a moment, 1. >90% of the logistics, your kidding right, which corps had the majority of the soverignty claiming POS's in CR - ToA/CHON/PMCO, with additions from other corps in XZH (GREYC, Cavemen, Ned-Clan, Rez, Jazz etc), RISE lost G8 and 9-4 (or should have) because of your incompetence of not ensuring remaining corps had erected POS's and set them claiming soverignty, and that a fleet was ready to retake the station, you had plenty of warning, hell when people tried to organise an alliance fund or reserve pool for POS's, fuel etc, who yelled all plans down, oh yeah Rilewedge and co. Worked out well for you didnt it. 2. Cap ship fighting - well it was mostly done in US times, to avoid YouWhats prime time, it would have been silly using Euro time dreads with a hostile fleet in system, thats timezone shuffles, nothing more, plus if i recall, the only time a POS was killed by us it was in the Euro timezone (tho thats a bit hazey in my memory). 3. As for the majority of the fighting. Again timezones, sure Rez, SGHQ and BIGAA were major fleet elements in US times, Euro times it was the Norad components of RISE, your a little biased obviously in that regard, in Euro times it was Outbreak and Youwhat in the majority in CR or just generally being annoying (they are very very good at that). and as for point 4. - LOL are you trying to imply BIG had 99% of their active pilots in combat, i know BIGAA is their combat wing, but i think your confusing 1% with 99% (ok one example), many of the NORAD side of corps had all their pilots in OR, having been in the region for so long and from their were sending forces to CR (or had moved to CR entirely), and last i looked CR was not the only RISE claimed space at the time. Your making wildly open comments which while your trying to belittle TOA/CHON/YAK, your attacking everyone who was in RISE at the time, which is a little flawed, especially since you yourself didnt step up into the Logistics ministers spot until halfway throu the CR debacle. If your going to sprout your mouth off and try and spin things to your side, try to ensure their is not someone around the corner who can bite back and make you look like a tool. Kindess Regards (in a have fun, good fights, yadda yada CHonToAYAK gunna win way) [center]-------------------------------------------- War is Hell but it is the price we pay for the freedom we so desperately need. A Waffle Life Member, Currently feeling a little Grey, so sought
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:38:00 - [110] Originally by: Dhan Edited by: Dhan on 26/10/2006 04:26:35 Why do you feel compelled to make statements that make you look like a clown? Before your next post, please take a minutes to consult sources "in the know". Saves you another post like this. Let's summarize: 1. Remaining corps did > 90% of the logistics work BEFORE TOA/CHON left 2. Remaining corps did the overwhelming majority of the capital ship fighting 3. Remaining corps did majority of the regulat fleet shooting 4. Remaining corps pulled 99% of their active pilots out of empire+OR and into the fight Do you understand? Good. Originally by: WiZZyWiGG Edited by: WiZZyWiGG on 25/10/2006 15:52:45 Ok so if im the person who has to state the obvious I will for all the FA/Rise guys... All of this respect for CHON etc.. comes from the years of hard graft in OR before Rise even came about. The reason most of the good corps left Rise wasn't because of the war in CR but because of the FA members. The majority of them were unwilling to fight and and thought more about their wallets than their alliance. Ok so they may have got their act together in the end, but by then it was too late. Good corps had left and CR was all but lost. Corps in the end grew tired of fighting for an alliance who didn't seem to want to actually do very much, this led to less members willing to lose ships for these people and in the end making them want to leave Rise. P.S. These corps (except Yakuza) have a handful of individuals whom I respect. They know who they are. Actually Dhan with all my respect for you( you did awesome job befiore GreyC left for Rise) i disagree with your points. There was like 4 call to arms by various commanders trying to rally poeple and poeple were still flying here and there ( seen when once visited OR to move ship to xzh and observed from killboard).Apart from few operations when poeple did show up the situatioon in XZH was pretty bad.OFC we did fight as Rise , but for Rise numbers we should havea all time 3-4 times that poeple in xzh . I dont understand why poeple showed fro like 3 operations in xzh wich eneded in succes then disapeeared again....I dont understand why they showed up then but not before when appointed fleet commanders gave orders on forums and chats.YEa its tinfoil theory, but at least one that got some backing in these facts, to me it looked like FA side didnt really treat seriously orders made by ex norad officals and only moved when ex FA backed it...Sorry but to me it looked like this. In eure primetime my corp was sometimes 1/4 of the gangs wich says somethign as we arent a big corp.In us times i heard also of problems so i dont think it was that great. PS Perosnalyl i didnt push Greyc to leave Rise because of not good defence in XZH or because it was goign bad( cause when we left actually looked like Rise got upper hand ).I wanted to leave us cause persoanlly some poeple high in Rise commandship has certain characters wich leads only to discussing for the sake of showing they are right and great not solving problems for the good of alliance.And imho they will never change.They got no spirit of team work. - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:55:00 - [111] Quote: 1. >90% of the logistics, your kidding right, which corps had the majority of the soverignty claiming POS's in CR - ToA/CHON/PMCO, with additions from other corps in XZH (GREYC, Cavemen, Ned-Clan, Rez, Jazz etc), RISE lost G8 and 9-4 (or should have) because of your incompetence of not ensuring remaining corps had erected POS's and set them claiming soverignty, and that a fleet was ready to retake the station, you had plenty of warning, hell when people tried to organise an alliance fund or reserve pool for POS's, fuel etc, who yelled all plans down, oh yeah Rilewedge and co. Worked out well for you didnt it. Yep thats one example i rember like today discussion in council.Lets form a fund , lets agree to ampoubnt payed each motnhs etc to start working as alliance.Norad corps backing it , discussing a detail here and there was looking good.Then comes mr Rilewdge and blocks it all , with his FA buddies backign him.Result: to erect poses and fuel we had to do some oh my god on moment organisation.( wich actually Dhann managed to some extent big kudos to him) Thats a typical example.FA side never imho understood teamwork and allaince.You have great corps like SGHQ and great poeple in others but thats it, ypou arent really forming or trying to rofm a bigger thing that is the allaince. As a friend has put it :, the problem is (as we "discussed" in council) is that the majority of the big FA corps (BIG, Rez...) thought that the alliance was meant to only better the indevidual corps...NORAD was the exact oposite... Yea i know its dirty to put all this here, but i kept my mouth shut on our departure from Rise and afterwards but since Rise as alliance is acting as mad and spreading half truths im not stopiing anymore. - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
WiZZyWiGG Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:57:00 - [112] Edited by: WiZZyWiGG on 26/10/2006 08:57:28 Lol Dhan your a funny man, most people here have already gone over your mistakes so I wont bother repeating them..... or maybe i will. It all comes down to basically a failed merge, the old NORAD guys were all for working for the alliance and working as a group. The old FA guys seemed just to be happy to have some space to roam around once more and to start filling their pockets. NORAD guys got annoyed at all this, morale dropped among them and they looked for a way out of the whole mess. Quoting anything about the time in XZH and beyond is pointless, the damage was done before Cloud Ring ever became Rise space. The plex thing, I remember it being mainly FA diplos that organised the hold on attacking it so that we could concentrate on CR. Anyway, dont bother questioning my source. As my source is myself, I was a CEO in Rise and also the Rise Admin for the forums so I had plenty of reading material thanks. ____________ BNC makes me feel Naughty
Skelator Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:45:00 - [113] Originally by: Solwolf Seeing how BOB is supporting the ex-NORAD people, it's good to see that I'm on the right side of this conflict. Thank you for the endorsement. So what was the deal that the ex-NORAD guys gave to BOB over the 10/10 complex in A2V? I'm curious to know. It's been obvious for some time that there is a deal so don't try to deny it. It's something to the effect that BOB gets the 10/10 complex in order for NORAD to exist right? That with the fact that Outer Ring is a pretty crappy region that BOB didn't really want. I don't understand why BOB is so eager to endorse Chon either since aren't they saying in effect that they defeated you? I don't recall FA saying that the defeated BOB at any time. Besides FA is gone, this is RISE now, another animal. And Skelator, I somehow doubt that the Imperium Alliance approves of your message. I have a lot of personal respect for you though. It seems Chon is saying that they defeated the Imperium Alliance, but really wasn't it BOB that caused Imperium to leave Outer Ring? I don't understand why Imperium would be so eager to jump on the Chon bandwagon here. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. You Are Wrong in the fact that this was My Personal Corps Views and not Imperiums Views! so Please leave Imp out of this Topic. I also have ALOT of respect for you too Sol but I fought Chon and IMHO They Deserve to have what they have fought for over the past 3 years.. I also have many Friends in the old NORAD and Respect them as well. Hell I have Deep respect for alot of Folks in this game even some BOB pilots such as HAST, Slip66, Rod Blaine.. ETC You can Respect your Enemies just as well as you can respect your Friends in this game. BOB never caused us to leave we went and moved next door to them so we could Share Cookies and Milk and TinFoil hats together StrongHold Knights First into Battle Last Out "HONOR is Everything" They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
Gius Adoma Amarr Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:02:00 - [114] All I can say is let the games begin and a nice killboard trophy already :P = Times of Ancar = < THE R0NIN >
Androsin Gallente Black Knight Buccaneers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:22:00 - [115] GL to old friends and my old corp YAK. Have fun up there :) ------------------------------ "Everybody's dead Dave...."
Manc Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:49:00 - [116] Originally by: Ahramaine The Outer Ring belongs to CHON, only people there before me who are still there now. G'Luck all (except RISE) o/ Manc Defrosting... *Apologies for going totally off topic* OMFG Ahramaine \/ *Back on topic* Vache your corpse is in my hangar undergoing extensive testing (Abuse), if we find any parts or your HAC/Faction mods/Insanely expensive implants imbedded in the cavity that we shoved them up last night I'll let you know
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:06:00 - [117] Let's keep this ingame. Too many people from too many different corporations posting about something that doesn't concern them. Sure, history's history, but living in the past gets you nowhere fast. \| BMBE ISK Loans \| Skills Showroom \| 588242 \|
Odet Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:17:00 - [118] Originally by: Shivaja Edited by: Shivaja on 23/10/2006 16:57:34 Originally by: M0RPH And yea merging FA and NORAD was bigest mistake we old norad corporations make just pity i did not see that before.quote] I told you this would happend _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fr
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:22:00 - [119] Im backing old Norad here because a) old history with BNC and fighting them b) I would NEVER support ex FA in anything.... So yeah if you feel like its an endorsement then fine, does it change anything ? I dont think so :P Rise is just another FA (Failed Alliances)
Odet Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:24:00 - [120] btw shiv send me an evemail ingame. _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fr
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:27:00 - [121] Originally by: Nalrath Tolahnia ... 1. >90% of the logistics, your kidding right, which corps had the majority of the soverignty claiming POS's in CR - ToA/CHON/PMCO, with additions from other corps in XZH (GREYC, Cavemen, Ned-Clan, Rez, Jazz etc), RISE lost G8 and 9-4 (or should have) because of your incompetence of not ensuring remaining corps had erected POS's and set them claiming soverignty, and that a fleet was ready to retake the station, you had plenty of warning, hell when people tried to organise an alliance fund or reserve pool for POS's, fuel etc, who yelled all plans down, oh yeah Rilewedge and co. Worked out well for you didnt it. ... Dude you're the clueless one. In the end with funding from BIG and REZ, REZ corp had the vast majority of RISE POS there at around 40. Chon and TOA put up 3 at the most. I have access to all of the council information. I don't see where Rilewedge blocked any initiative for the alliance to contribute to this. YouWhat in the end fielded 41 Large POS and were fielding capital ship fleets. Dhan asked for the alliance to chip in for this effort too. Very few corps bothered to chip in much. I'm not even going to bother countering all your points one by one. Frankly my dear I just don't give a damn. You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about. Recruitment
shuckstar Gallente Lords Of Guile Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:29:00 - [122] GL CHON Give em Hell
Frogzuk Dragonian Freelancers Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:44:00 - [123] Good to see Shiv and Chon back to doing what they do best ! Good luck guys froggy
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:54:00 - [124] Originally by: Manc Vache your corpse is in my hangar undergoing extensive testing (Abuse). I know you love me and all, but please, no abusing a corpse. It's just wrong. If you really want to have my babies that much you can get LordXL to bed over for me and be the surrogate mother since i know he's made you barren.
Nalrath Tolahnia GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:09:00 - [125] Originally by: Solwolf I'm not even going to bother countering all your points one by one. Frankly my dear I just don't give a damn. You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about. You can see the council section, thats nice, but do not forget i was on the RISE council, Rise diplomatic crew and was a forum admin, so i kinda have all of that as well from that time. before all the youwhat stuff blew up, i made a post detailing costs for maintaining 41 POS's, which was essential for maintaining undenaible control of XZH in the event of an attack, costs of buying them, and maintaining them per month, and that was part of advocating for an emergency fund - which certain people saw fit to reject outright since they felt corps came first, and the alliance didnt need billions sitting there doing squat incase of an 'emergency'. Yes ill admit in the end Rez had the majority of POS's, Rez, BIG and other corps contributed to their purchase (Dhan overseeing their being placed as logistics minister), and partly why Rez had to have so many is because of PMCO and others leaving, and when the NORAD elements left pretty much the Euro capital forces went with them (besides insomniac US peeps) 'In the End' doesnt cut it, it was too little too late, if people listened to earlier proposals and actually helped get things done when not already invaded and royally up the duff, it might have turned out different (sorry about diverging back to the past Ray) PS: on a lighter note - tell Vache to pad his post count, i still have the highest post count on the RISE forums ------------------------------------------------ War is Hell but it is the price we pay for the freedom we so desperately need. A Waffle Life Member, Currently feeling a Grey
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:06:00 - [126] Originally by: Nalrath Tolahnia PS: on a lighter note - tell Vache to pad his post count, i still have the highest post count on the RISE forums Well you were always one of our top notch forum *****s. Keep up the good work mate! Love and respect to you. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs.
Ban Tier Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:46:00 - [127] Originally by: Dhan 1. Remaining corps did > 90% of the logistics work BEFORE TOA/CHON left Not true Originally by: Dhan 2. Remaining corps did the overwhelming majority of the capital ship fighting True Originally by: Dhan 3. Remaining corps did majority of the regulat fleet shooting Not true Originally by: Dhan 4. Remaining corps pulled 99% of their active pilots out of empire+OR and into the fight Not true Originally by: Dhan Do you understand? Good. Well three of four, I understood what you are trying to do ... A little tip for you: you earn respect by your acting and not by your words ... Ban
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:27:00 - [128] Okay, it seems I need to apologize. I sometimes say things that I don't really mean, I'm human. First, I didn't mean to make anti-NORAD comments. I liked NORAD a lot. I miss the old days when we were all friends. I'd like to see that again. I was disappointed when I arrived in Outer Ring though to find that NORAD had not really controlled the 10/10 complex in A2V for whatever reason. That's where my feelings about NORAD changed some. I do still respect the old NORAD alliance and I'm sorry I said anything bad about them. Second some peoples comments about the lack of teamwork from the former Fountain Alliance corps also irritated me greatly. When Yakuza Corp left the alliance there was a coucil vote that allowed them access to our ingame military alliance channel. It appears the vote didn't come soon enough for Yakuza Corp though. They made a post on our forums stating that they'd set most of the former NORAD corporations to +10 while the rest would be neutral. Since Yakuza Corp had an NBSI policy and they didn't really answer the question of whether they'd fire on RISE pilots this angered quite a few people. The next thing I know there are posts from RISE members saying that they would never fire on Yakuza Corp to support another RISE member. Some even went so far as to create a Yakuza Corp fan club. That's not my definition of teamwork. Many people that made these comments and created the fan club left shortly after this, which is fine. However, I'm sure there are many other examples of teamwork that can be cited and perhaps the former NORAD corps can teach me a thing or two about, I'm open to that and would welcome it. Ask people in RISE, but I have said that I'd be sick to fight some of these corps because I consider them friends. However it seems my friends goals and our goals are contradictory. We have to fight until we can either be friends again or until they leave. Again I didn't mean to make this an anti-NORAD deal because it's not. Win or lose, I wish you guys the best. Sincerely, Solwolf Recruitment
SigmaPi Pandoras Mining Covanant	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:36:00 - [129] The lack of team work was from the begining Solwolf, and you of all people should know that. By the time even the Yakuza situation had happend the RISE situation was far too far out of hand. As for logistics... say what you want, but i dont recall BIG stepping up in cloud ring when we were in need of battleships... the all mighty BIG industrial corp from hell with a slong the size of a walrus... turns out they dont have any participation in the alliance... In fact, the only time I recall seeing a BIG player was in empire, and the only time they spoke their voice was on the forums. I am personally offended by some of the remarks from Dhan and Solwolf and others, but I know its a game... I know we just want to have fun... right? Or is that just a scape goat so you guys can feel better about what you say? It may be a game, but we are real people on the other side. PMCO may not have been a huge player in the grand sceem, but we had 1/5 of the sov claiming deathstars, we were producing the most, making the most effort, involved in the most things possible... and we are still getting bashed. I dont understand: there were people who I appreciated in FA, i really did, but all they care about is themselves. I did everything in my power to change the situations that caused the untimely break down of RISE, but no one (from Rez, BIGAA, BIG ... ect...) would listen to either my suggestions or others to fix the problems. I think you all know that I'm not one to flame or be overly agressive... but, I just thought I would let you know that I feel personally offended by what you RISE members have been saying here.
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:46:00 - [130] Originally by: SigmaPi the all mighty BIG industrial corp from hell with a slong the size of a walrus... Sig worthy, thanks for the quote. \| BMBE ISK Loans \| Skills Showroom \| 923214 \|
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:48:00 - [131] Originally by: SigmaPi I think you all know that I'm not one to flame or be overly agressive... QFT! Originally by: SigmaPi I just thought I would let you know that I feel personally offended by what you RISE members have been saying here. It goes both ways dude. I for one, think that all, bar one, of the members of PMCO constitute a damn fine corp and am glad to see ye still blue. Much love to you siggy, you legend! _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs.
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:21:00 - [132] Originally by: SigmaPi The lack of team work was from the begining Solwolf, and you of all people should know that. By the time even the Yakuza situation had happend the RISE situation was far too far out of hand. As for logistics... say what you want, but i dont recall BIG stepping up in cloud ring when we were in need of battleships... the all mighty BIG industrial corp from hell with a slong the size of a walrus... turns out they dont have any participation in the alliance... In fact, the only time I recall seeing a BIG player was in empire, and the only time they spoke their voice was on the forums. I am personally offended by some of the remarks from Dhan and Solwolf and others, but I know its a game... I know we just want to have fun... right? Or is that just a scape goat so you guys can feel better about what you say? It may be a game, but we are real people on the other side. PMCO may not have been a huge player in the grand sceem, but we had 1/5 of the sov claiming deathstars, we were producing the most, making the most effort, involved in the most things possible... and we are still getting bashed. I dont understand: there were people who I appreciated in FA, i really did, but all they care about is themselves. I did everything in my power to change the situations that caused the untimely break down of RISE, but no one (from Rez, BIGAA, BIG ... ect...) would listen to either my suggestions or others to fix the problems. I think you all know that I'm not one to flame or be overly agressive... but, I just thought I would let you know that I feel personally offended by what you RISE members have been saying here. Well I don't agree with you obviously. Thank you for sharing your opinion though. You're welcome to discuss it with me ingame if you wish. Recruitment
Guurel Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:30:00 - [133] Quote: The lack of team work was from the begining Solwolf, and you of all people should know that. By the time even the Yakuza situation had happend the RISE situation was far too far out of hand. [...] QFT. Normally i simply ignore threads that are developing in the direction the current theread is but as i am also concerned with this issue i just can't ignore it this time. Siggy pretty much pointed out the essentials. As ex-minister of the Interior and ex-RISE Diplomat i saw the lack of teamwork in RISE from day one. It allways took ages for the so called council to decide on any issue and it was very annoying sometimes. Well i continued as long as i could and also the many good mates from former NORAD and FOUNTAIN (they know who i mean with that) did great work at that time. But the merger was kinda doomed from the begining. At first it seemed like a clever thing to merge 2 alliances that had a long friendly history to cover all timezones but the differences in opinions regarding how to run an alliance were to big... NORAD as said before, at that time, was like a family. Everyone knew his mates and their reliability, we all worked for NORAD and not our own corps primarily. I thought, as FA arrived and RISE was formed, we could overcome these differences but i was mistaken. So slowly many ex-NORAD guys i knew for a long time got dissatisfied with RISE, including myself (i remember countless issues about the XZH plex and RISE members acting like they were in kindergarden still). Then came Outbreak and seriously, the participation of former FA mebers in RISE gangs was miserable (as said before that might have been a timezone problem, i can only speak from my mostly euro-time experience), but hey, they did not threaten our sovereighnity (which at that point was held by ONLY ex-NORAD corps including TOA,CHON, PMCO mostly with participation of 1 FA corp: REZ). Well that changed later as YW attacked us but it could have happened a lot earlier if the council would have been able to decide on something (and the lack of decision finding was mostly because of Fountain peeps denying most suggestions without bringing in their own... I said mostly NOT only). It was allready too late for RISE at that point. The decision to leave RISE was made long before the POS spamming in XZH for most NORAD corps (at least i know that for YAK, CHON and TOA - my ex-corp). At that time i was even reluctant to log in with all the **** going on in council and nothing happening at all. For many mates in RISE it might have appeared so that the NORAD corps left because they did not want to fight but believe me that is not correct... and I have to admit it was a rather 'suboptimal' time of leaving, but the decision was made long before. Before my corp left RISE however came the decision to follow my good RL friends Kmacross and Schneiderr to D2 and i found that i could enjoy eve again with the ASW guys shooting random people in the south :) To sum it up: RISE failed because of differing opinions about nearly everything and the false pride of some old FA AND NORAD guys. I am really ashamed of some of you guys talking bad about your ex alliances mates now. Because TOA is my ex-corp and was like a family for me nearly my whole eve-life i cannot stand them being denounced here. I know what they did for RISE and what effort they put in it (at least at the begining and regarding the settlement of CR). I hope you get over it, stop insulting each other and find the fun in eve again. Wow.. i like to think that this is a quiet 'objective' story of my RISE-experiences, no further flaming intended i just HAD to write this even if I may have repeated something that was said earlier in this thread ... :P Btw I <3 you all guys, ex-NORAD and ex-RISE :) Thanks for reading ! /guu
SigmaPi Pandoras Mining Covanant	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:35:00 - [134] thanks for letting me know where i stand solwolf... I'm glad to know that friendship is only skin deep. My corp did nothing to offend you, and (asside from the one incedent where neather party acted mature) we have never done anything contrary to the best effort we could muster. As for vache, thank you for the kind words. PMCO was under the impression that we were neutral or even red to RISE, nice to have that cleared up. I also do realize that the harsh feelings go both ways, but we also need to learn to not generalize. many people posting here have been applying steriotypes to "NORAD" and "FA" groups. I wish that would stop, but - I am only one man...
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:42:00 - [135] Originally by: SigmaPi thanks for letting me know where i stand solwolf... I'm glad to know that friendship is only skin deep. My corp did nothing to offend you, and (asside from the one incedent where neather party acted mature) we have never done anything contrary to the best effort we could muster. ... Wow you need to ask Talidorn about the old official RISE web page and what he's done with it. You guys are still blue though so don't sweat it. Recruitment
Cmd Woodlouse Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:45:00 - [136] Originally by: Solwolf Schiender, I don't understand why you'd take Chon's side when D2 is allied with us. We have a NAP with YouWhat too. Not only that YouWhat is hostile to Chon. Your support for Chon seems to be misplaced. Maybe you should go talk to your friends a bit. Besides, you have evidence that I'm wrong? Isn't anyone curious why BOB allowed NORAD to have Outer Ring so easily? Why do you think they did that? If your a diplomat or representative for RISE then omg are they doomed... Dont write sh1te like this, ppl can express their oppinions on these forums regardless of which alliance they belong to. Oh and D2 is not FA with crap like posting fines. I still can remember the incredible arrogance and stupidity of the very old FA leadership back in the times when CE was in that alliance. Seems to me that not alot has changed... -------------------------------- Spain ftw!
SigmaPi Pandoras Mining Covanant	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:48:00 - [137] You know... Egos are the biggest problem with humanity. Some of us are able to set it aside, and some of us are not. I can't speak for either "party" in this matter, but I know the two egos at play mutually escolated the distrust between them, and that is the cause for all ends. You had every opertunity to step away, just as Talidorn did, ... just because you both want to have the last word is no excuse for any thing.
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:08:00 - [138] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse ... If your a diplomat or representative for RISE then omg are they doomed... Dont write sh1te like this, ppl can express their oppinions on these forums regardless of which alliance they belong to. Oh and D2 is not FA with crap like posting fines. I still can remember the incredible arrogance and stupidity of the very old FA leadership back in the times when CE was in that alliance. Seems to me that not alot has changed... Well I'm not a diplotmat. I'm speaking my own opinions as well. I'll try to keep my posts more diplomatic. I didn't mean to offend. Convo or message me ingame if you wish to dicuss it further please. Recruitment
LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:10:00 - [139] Is now a good time to point out that all exNorad corps / people left in RISE are of course welcome to come and join us in any way they feel comfortable with. There are of course corps within RISE which are still blue to YAK - you know who you are...
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:10:00 - [140] Quote: was disappointed when I arrived in Outer Ring though to find that NORAD had not really controlled the 10/10 complex in A2V for whatever reason. That's where my feelings about NORAD changed some. Solwolf sorry but to me in that statemnt you act like dumb and dumber. You witneesed yourself what happend when you touch a2: bob comes and blobs you.Obviosuly norad wasnt able to beat BOB in a front fight wich it has to be with poses , as even FA+Norad wasnt. So waht were you dissopintd about lol? - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:15:00 - [141] Originally by: Solwolf Originally by: Nalrath Tolahnia ... 1. >90% of the logistics, your kidding right, which corps had the majority of the soverignty claiming POS's in CR - ToA/CHON/PMCO, with additions from other corps in XZH (GREYC, Cavemen, Ned-Clan, Rez, Jazz etc), RISE lost G8 and 9-4 (or should have) because of your incompetence of not ensuring remaining corps had erected POS's and set them claiming soverignty, and that a fleet was ready to retake the station, you had plenty of warning, hell when people tried to organise an alliance fund or reserve pool for POS's, fuel etc, who yelled all plans down, oh yeah Rilewedge and co. Worked out well for you didnt it. ... Dude you're the clueless one. In the end with funding from BIG and REZ, REZ corp had the vast majority of RISE POS there at around 40. Chon and TOA put up 3 at the most. I have access to all of the council information. I don't see where Rilewedge blocked any initiative for the alliance to contribute to this. YouWhat in the end fielded 41 Large POS and were fielding capital ship fleets. Dhan asked for the alliance to chip in for this effort too. Very few corps bothered to chip in much. I'm not even going to bother countering all your points one by one. Frankly my dear I just don't give a damn. You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about. no solwolf its you who is tottaly wrong. IF you havent found rilewdge+ his fa buddies blocking of alliance fund you havent tried to find it at all. Dhan might have asked it then but IT WAS TO LATE.Grycouncil wasnt aroudn there alrdy but you FA seems to be like children when it comes to orgnisation: you cant do such thing right onm short notice.The right time for this was before all this , when he had peace yet.And then FA leaders Rilewdge among them was blocking ev verythign they coiuld just to prove they are right , their noeses up to the sky not listening to any arguments. - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:23:00 - [142] Quote: Besides, you have evidence that I'm wrong? Isn't anyone curious why BOB allowed NORAD to have Outer Ring so easily? Why do you think they did that? and with this Solwolf im loosing all of my respect to you. You cant think about it right? That Norad actually foght for OR and it wasnt that easy it was damn hard.That FA couldnt do what Norad did: fought off a piece for Eve space for themselves.You are to arrogant even to consider a possiblity that Norad might have been simply better then FA when it came to territorial fighting, speciialy harrasement against superior forces. Sure Bob if they wanted realy and devoted more forces could kill us.Sure OR is quite ****ty and thats why BOB didnt bother to hard. But BOB did bother a bit and we fought them and we troubled them and we won our territory.You couldnt even fight the weak xellas that was then in Fountain. So remebr facts : Noread has won its territory on eve map.FA didnt. - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:30:00 - [143] Originally by: Earthan Quote: Besides, you have evidence that I'm wrong? Isn't anyone curious why BOB allowed NORAD to have Outer Ring so easily? Why do you think they did that? and with this Solwolf im loosing all of my respect to you. You cant think about it right? That Norad actually foght for OR and it wasnt that easy it was damn hard.That FA couldnt do what Norad did: fought off a piece for Eve space for themselves.You are to arrogant even to consider a possiblity that Norad might have been simply better then FA when it came to territorial fighting, speciialy harrasement against superior forces. Sure Bob if they wanted realy and devoted more forces could kill us.Sure OR is quite ****ty and thats why BOB didnt bother to hard. But BOB did bother a bit and we fought them and we troubled them and we won our territory.You couldnt even fight the weak xellas that was then in Fountain. So remebr facts : Noread has won its territory on eve map.FA didnt. Earthan \o/ Given OR hehehe.. makes me feel good. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:34:00 - [144] Well I and some corps in my former alliance would run the complexes in Fountain as much as we could regardless of whether or not it drew the ire of BOB. We were fighting them as much as could anyway so it didn't matter. I was disappointed in that it appeard NORAD had given up on it. Maybe I'm wrong, if so I apologize. Attempting to insult people in an attempt to win an argument makes it seem that you don't have a logical argument to begin with. Calling me dumb doesn't support your argument at all. I would prefer to be friends and talk things out, but it seems some just want to fight. Either way is cool with me. I'd prefer to discuss this ingame from now on. This forum bashing stuff is stupid. Recruitment
SigmaPi Pandoras Mining Covanant	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:37:00 - [145] first off, you arnt in-game, so i can't talk there... secondly, your argument about "calling people dumb" is not a way to get the point across? you are just as guilty as he. I would like to discuss with you some things, but you arn't online atm.
M0RPH Amarr Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:43:00 - [146] Originally by: Earthan But BOB did bother a bit and we fought them and we troubled them and we won our territory.You couldnt even fight the weak xellas that was then in Fountain. The only reason we couldn't defeat Xelas is because BoB blobbed us every time we got the upper hand. They could have done the same to you in Outer Ring if they were bothered. Anyway that's a different topic entirely. I'm growing tired of this forum war crap already tbh. I think it's obvious both sides have bad feelings about what happened and we could continue with this forever. I'd prefer to handle this ingame instead of bashing each other back and forth on these public forums. Although I'm sure it's entertaining to some. :)
Roland 99 Minmatar Battlestars Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:45:00 - [147] Quote: The only reason we couldn't defeat Xelas is because BoB blobbed us every time we got the upper hand. Sounds Familiar...Very Familiar _______ My pod is filled with beer. Dont make me spring a leak
Roland 99 Minmatar Battlestars Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:53:00 - [148] claps waits for guitar solo _______ My pod is filled with beer. Dont make me spring a leak
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:53:00 - [149] Maybe a song will fix all this! Nerina Pallot - Everybody's Gone to War I've got a friend, he's a pure-bred killing machine, He said he's waited his whole damn life for this, I knew him well when he was seventeen, Now he's a man who'll be dead by Christmas. And, so... Everybody's going to war, But we don't know what we're fighting for, Don't tell me it's a worthy cause, No cause could be so worthy. If love is a drug, I guess we're all sober, If hope is a song I guess it's all over, How to have faith, when faith is a crime? I don't want to die... If God's on our side, then God is a joker, Asleep on the job, his children fall over, Running out through the door and straight to the sky, I don't want to die... For every man who wants to rule the world, There'll be a man who just wants to be free, What do we learn but what should not be learnt? Too late to find a cure for this disease. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs.
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:57:00 - [150] Originally by: Solwolf Well I and some corps in my former alliance would run the complexes in Fountain as much as we could regardless of whether or not it drew the ire of BOB. We were fighting them as much as could anyway so it didn't matter. I was disappointed in that it appeard NORAD had given up on it. Maybe I'm wrong, if so I apologize. Attempting to insult people in an attempt to win an argument makes it seem that you don't have a logical argument to begin with. Calling me dumb doesn't support your argument at all. I would prefer to be friends and talk things out, but it seems some just want to fight. Either way is cool with me. I'd prefer to discuss this ingame from now on. This forum bashing stuff is stupid. Calling you dumb wasnt my argument.The arguments was there, calling yuo acted dumb by typing what you did was hmm a description. Thats how i am i say what i think: if something is white i call it white, if i think someone acted dumb , i tell him he acted dumb.Im repeating it wasnt my argument it was descirption of your post that i quoted and i tottaly sustain it. - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:59:00 - [151] Earthan, Nalrath and Solwolf. Go get a room already.... This level of bikering is beneath you all. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs.
Ribbo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 21:00:00 - [152] \o/ eathan!!! props to Chon, you guys are tough to fight cos a) you make it as on your terms as you can. b) when we do get on you your nomally stabbed up ;) c) your so persistent at the above tactics.. those reasons, the determination and the d5 system are the reason you guys are still in OR and fair play to you, the OR bar a2 is the arse end of eve imo :D They remove the npc stations and make em conqs and it would be useful space, that space and syndicate is ideal for an infant pod pilot to learn the ways of 0.0, thats one of the reasons i liked norad, norad stood for something and tbh they were good to farm ;) we let them get rich then roll in and have some real good fights until the fight out of most of them :D so let the good fights roll chon :D - fanboi'ing eve-celebrities the world over.
SigmaPi Pandoras Mining Covanant	Posted - 2006.10.26 21:02:00 - [153] Originally by: vache Earthan, Nalrath and Solwolf. Go get a room already.... This level of bikering is beneath you all. QFT
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.26 21:07:00 - [154] Edited by: Earthan on 26/10/2006 21:06:38 hi ribbo hi ponieus.:) Vache i got nothing against it but prolly on weekend is my shorted time to meet ingame. I think we will end flaming each other but i will be happy to tell you truly what i think and to hear what you truly think, ( what i suspect and makes me mad), now that we dont have anymore to worry abiour alliance morale and stuff, not having to play mr nice and shiny leader.At least thats what stoppepd me many times in rise, cause i was caring about it... - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 21:22:00 - [155] As well you know Earthan, it never stopped me before. Hit me up for a chat any time you want to and we can talk man to man, alliance bulls**t aside. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs.
Talidorn Pandoras Mining Covanant	Posted - 2006.10.26 21:48:00 - [156] Edited by: Talidorn on 26/10/2006 21:49:29 YAY!!! I got a reference Originally by: Vache ...I for one, think that all, bar one, of the members of PMCO constitute a damn fine corp... Yeah! I'm the BAR ONE! As Solwolf has pointed out, I am the defiler of the old eve-rise.org site (hey, I paid for it!). They have moved to eve-rise.net now. What is in place now is my attmept at OOG fun and generosity (It does a meta refresh to their new site now)! LOL Talidorn PS - Solwolf fly safe mate! and thanks for my name on the forums...
Dyneon Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.26 23:45:00 - [157] Could a Mod kindly lock this thread as it as run its course. The outcome shall be decided on the battlefield - not on the forums. Thanks! ----------------------------------- Dyneon RISE Minister of Internal Affairs Rear Admiral SGHQ Director of Internal Security
Mr. Orange Band of Freelancers	Posted - 2006.10.26 23:56:00 - [158] Originally by: Dyneon Could a Mod kindly lock this thread as it as run its course. The outcome shall be decided on the battlefield - not on the forums. Thanks! I believe only the OP can request this; seeing as you're not him, this thread shall remain open.
Iss Hogai Caldari GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.27 00:00:00 - [159] I will make one post on this and one only. I never cared much about the political part or the alliance, I figured ppl with interest in that part took care about it. On at least one thing I was wrong, soooo wrong. Diplomats. When Vache was the only active diplomat he refused to talk to G about whatever differences there where with YAK. YOU DON'T DO IT LIKE THAT. If you are a diplomat you HAVE to do your work, especially when you are the only active one. I don't care what personal differences you have with the guys you are negotiating with. Just do it in a professional way. If you get insulted, smile and say thank you. Bring it back to the guys that actually decide stuff and then when you get new directives you can give it back with a polite voice and a friendly smile. Diplomats are the middle men. They are needed for communication between partys. That is the whole reason I was one of the guys supporting YAK the way I did. You may think I was wrong and I respect you for that opinion. The only one I do not respect is Vache for bailing on hit duties as a diplomat when they where most needed. I hate to see friends getting alienated because of neglect. Iss Hogai - Out In the end, everything is grey...
Borg017 BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.27 00:42:00 - [160] It just seems that this whole situation came to be because of some personal differences. It wasn't all alliance problems as I see it now. I bet you if one person from either side actually came around to apologize (both sides are guilty of immaturity) and offer to work out a solid solution, this could be settled within 2 days. Just depends on who has the bigger b@lls to do it. For the record, I definately do not have a smile on my face when I'm trying to shoot you guys. (do not confuse this for low morale ) -----------------------------------------------
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 00:54:00 - [161] It's still my region. Blog
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.27 01:10:00 - [162] btw. thanks for the new blog BL
Nyk0n Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:04:00 - [163] A real shame to see possibly the oldest remaing frendship in the game (NORAD/FA) falling apart I hope you both at least have fun Sometimes the truth hurts.......... Dosnt stop it being true
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:05:00 - [164] Originally by: Schneiderr btw. thanks for the new blog BL No problem, there'll be some more frequent postings for a little while Blog
Dhan Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.27 03:50:00 - [165] I remember the good times when we first joined up, I had some awesome times shooting goonies together with some members of the ex-NORAD corps. Those were some good weeks. I don't think those are the members that wanted to leave RISE. I wish I could have been involved with those other members who slowly drifted away and felt not listened to by the alliance. One thing's for sure, I gave 100% to the alliance. As I still do. My joy is that the corp tags are finally starting to melt away, and theres a strong bond forming between RISE members. Should have just happened earlier. I have to admit, I think Shivaja's last few declarations to RISE + the eve-o post are silly arrogant, but he's still one of the members I have respect for. He once took his dread into battle alongside REZ dreads even though the danger was clear. Props to you for that, and fyi, I would have had REZ reimburse your dread if you had lost it (as I mentioned as OUTBREAK was a jump or two out). Took balls. PMCO: SigmaPi - should have spoken to me when [some members-you] relationship was getting rough. I tried tied to help but you had already made up your mind. You were definitely appreciated by some. TOA: Ban Tier - too arrogant for anyone's good including yours, I don't like you. You turned out to be right about the one thing you and I disagreed on. But TOA does have some fantastic guys still left in corp, and some good guys that have unfortunately left the corp. Anyway, we'll do some shooty shooty, we'll relax some, have some fun, and we'll see how things turn out longterm. Who knows, maybe we'll find a reason to work together again. And maybe it will be a better experience. Dhan
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.27 08:04:00 - [166] Originally by: Iss Hogai Originally by: Iss Hogai When Vache was the only active diplomat he refused to talk to G about whatever differences there where with YAK. YOU DON'T DO IT LIKE THAT. If you are a diplomat you HAVE to do your work, especially when you are the only active one. Please don't even dare to pretend to know what its like being the sole diplomat representing over 1400 people at the time. When you get slapped in the face repeatidly (which is fun at times) by an arrogant fool like G, you lose all want and will to deal with them. And, as recent events have shown, i was right about him. He and his corp brought nothing to Rise but grief and decension. G is still trying to do this, however failing pitifully i might add. To yourself Hogai, i do have respect for you. I know you are a fighter, and that you stand fast in what you believe. I have seen this first hand myself. I only ask that in future, before you go judging people that you try and look at things from the perspective of the person on trial, and honestly ask yourself, "What would i do if i was in his/her position?". Now, lets all grow up and quit this forum whining. Say what you have to say, but being a troll gets us no where. Anger and frustration can be taken out on the battlefield. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs.
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.10.27 08:43:00 - [167] Please don't even dare to pretend to know what it was like being a small corp in the new RISE. When you get slapped in the face repeatedly (which is fun at times) by arrogant fools like FA, you lose all want and will to deal with them as anything but targets. And, as recent events have shown, we were right. SGHQ and REZ brought nothing to OR but friction and ego. RISE are still trying to do this, however failing pitifully i might add. To yourself vache, I have no respect for you. I know you are an idiot, but that you stand fast in what you believe. I have seen this first hand myself. I only ask that in future, before you go demanding people leave their space that you try and look at things from the perspective of the person on trial, and honestly ask yourself, "What would i do if i was in his/her position?". Now, lets all grow up and quit this forum whining. Say what you have to say, but being a troll gets us nowhere. Anger and frustration can be taken out on the battlefield.
WiZZyWiGG Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:00:00 - [168] My anger and frustration cant be taking out on the battlefield so can we keep it here? ____________ BNC makes me feel Naughty
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:37:00 - [169] Originally by: Dhan You wardeced a 0.0 alliance, have never seen our space, but your engagements outside OR (empire shoppers???) lead you to believe that you have anything relevant to comment on our fighting ability? Fabulous! Originally by: Crellion Dont you believe it. This is RISE we are talking about ... if you think RA is bad... good fights indeed... ... Glad to hear it I havent actually been to Outer Ring but I have "fought" RISE (guess you missed the eleventy war decs), may the future bring more fun for all ... (for now my comment stands) Dhan Dont be such an *** check your KB or ask your pilots... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:21:00 - [170] Funny that RISE kicked out some corps out of their alliance and several corps attacks and hit them hard!
D75485 Underworld Zombies	Posted - 2006.10.27 19:08:00 - [171] sounds fun
LoKesh Amarr InQuest Ascension Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.27 19:13:00 - [172] Let me clear up some of the likely flame that my posting will inspire; - Yes, Vertigo still exists - No, we're not doomed - Yes, we're stubborn bastards who may not know when to quit - Yes, we are rebuilding (that means new members and better structure) So... our point of view and what this looks like from the outside - RISE has been the one entity in this game that saw the same potential we saw in ourselves and believed VC actually had a reason to exist. They've encouraged our growth, helped us find a place to live and provided some help when we've asked for it. And Vache has been on me making sure we're not decending into apathy. In exchange they haven't asked for much. We lent some support against YouWhat and I wish is could have been more (no excuses - we were small and not yet re-organized - just not ready for a real fight). RISE has been straight forward with us from the beginning and we know what to expect from them. Perhaps it's different internally - but externally they're trustworthy. As the YouWhat war wound down we watched several corporations leave RISE. We knew about the ongoing tension between ex-FA and ex-NORAD and wrote these departures off to that. When, at first, these groups were still friendly to RISE we extened diplomatic contacts requesting positive standings. These requests were repeatedly ignored. When we did get a response it was a one word answer "No." (I can't even remember our diplomats asking a yes/no question, so I'm still at a loss there) I can respect someone who contacts you and says, "We won't set standings because of X,Y,Z" or "We just like to fight, so you're out of luck." But no response is just pathetic. This has left us with an ally on one side who has continually been helpful and true to their word and a group of apparent renegades who are to arrogant to even bother with words. What little might we have stands with RISE. See you on the battlefield.
DoctorGonzo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 19:17:00 - [173] Originally by: Blacklight It's still my region. I take issue with that statement - The Outer Ring is much more mine than it is yours!
Meridin Velasces Sensus Numinis Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:51:00 - [174] My best wishes to CHON and TOA. I have no idea why this is happening but Rise did a deadly mistake, thats for sure.
undercoverlikeabrother	Posted - 2006.10.30 11:59:00 - [175] Only thing I know about rise is that we went up thier the other day but they wouldnt fight us(even though they had a bigger fleet ). Gl to both of ya I guess.
Aggravated Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.10.30 12:00:00 - [176] Oops posted on alt .^^
myggan Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:03:00 - [177] Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Blacklight It's still my region. I take issue with that statement - The Outer Ring is much more mine than it is yours! Both of you know that i am the rightful owner of outer ring null
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.31 08:41:00 - [178] Just for the record: I challenge all the claims above. Outer Ring is mine. You will hear of my lawyers soon.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.31 09:10:00 - [179] Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 31/10/2006 09:11:41 Originally by: Crean NaVar Just for the record: I challenge all the claims above. Outer Ring is mine. You will hear of my lawyers soon. Dear Mr Blacklight, I got called by my client Crean NaVar, he told me that you and some other random guy that seems to be your Doctor, is contesting the Claim of my client of the Region of Outer Ring. We and our Client are not agreeing with the Statment of yours and your Doctor, in which you are trying to claim the Region of Outer Ring. Mr Crean NaVar is the real owner of Outer Ring, and if you and your Doctor are contesting this claim again we will meet in the Court of Yuali to have this claime confirmed by a judge. So I give you Mr Blacklight and Mr DocotorGonzo the change to get out of this with no loses, if you trying to claim the Region of Outer Ring again my client gave me full backup to go for the beer of yours and then for the beer of the Alliance Band of Brothers. regards
Zirator Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:25:00 - [180] Sorry but I have to revoke all claims to the Outer Ring. I have decided that it will be an asteroid reserve. Were Veldspar asteroids can prosper. To long they have been harrased by the mining lasers of carebears. I will do my best to protect the Veldspar in Outer Ring against the horrible threat that mining barges pose to them. So please Blacklight, Dr. Gonzo and all the others drop your claim for the sake of the little baby Veldspar roids. They have feeling as well.
Gius Adoma Amarr Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:24:00 - [181] Well the sunday BBQ was nice and the carrier "test" last night was fun :) Fun games everyone keep it up! = Times of Ancar = < THE R0NIN >
Lady Vlad Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 17:51:00 - [182] Give Em Hell Shiv and Ban. You guys = Outer Ring and I have a feeling they will soon realize it.
LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:26:00 - [183] Originally by: vache Originally by: Iss Hogai Originally by: Iss Hogai When Vache was the only active diplomat he refused to talk to G about whatever differences there where with YAK. YOU DON'T DO IT LIKE THAT. If you are a diplomat you HAVE to do your work, especially when you are the only active one. Please don't even dare to pretend to know what its like being the sole diplomat representing over 1400 people at the time. When you get slapped in the face repeatidly (which is fun at times) by an arrogant fool like G, you lose all want and will to deal with them. And, as recent events have shown, i was right about him. He and his corp brought nothing to Rise but grief and decension. G is still trying to do this, however failing pitifully i might add. To yourself Hogai, i do have respect for you. I know you are a fighter, and that you stand fast in what you believe. I have seen this first hand myself. I only ask that in future, before you go judging people that you try and look at things from the perspective of the person on trial, and honestly ask yourself, "What would i do if i was in his/her position?". Now, lets all grow up and quit this forum whining. Say what you have to say, but being a troll gets us no where. Anger and frustration can be taken out on the battlefield. vache, Lets be honest - the reason you told your alliance you wouldn't deal with me was in fact because you COULDN'T deal with me. You and I had several discussions, and as I said at the time, your diplomacy and ineptitude was laughable. More interested in titles and dressing up than real responsibility. RISE are staring at a catalogue of political, stratigic and diplomatic blunders. Your hand was in many so please don't lecture reasonable people like Hogai and throw around comments about arrogence. So now RISE are having their arses handed to them by an alliance a fraction of their size with a fraction of their resources. Oops. Thanks for your time. G Formerly Vigo Barboza... Always aroused...
Galdoth BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:54:00 - [184] So now RISE are having their arses handed to them by an alliance a fraction of their size with a fraction of their resources. Oops. Thanks for your time. G
WiZZyWiGG Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 10:02:00 - [185] From the looks of the R0NIN killboard it seems they are doing very well against Rise. Keep up the good work lads ____________ BNC makes me feel Naughty
Ghasti Gallente principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.02 16:03:00 - [186] Originally by: WiZZyWiGG From the looks of the R0NIN killboard it seems they are doing very well against Rise. Keep up the good work lads Dont think you have looked at ours... Recruitment
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.02 21:34:00 - [187] Originally by: Ghasti Dont think you have looked at ours... I did
Zirator Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.02 22:01:00 - [188] Originally by: Ghasti Originally by: WiZZyWiGG From the looks of the R0NIN killboard it seems they are doing very well against Rise. Keep up the good work lads Dont think you have looked at ours... I would love to but as far as I know you don't have a public killboard.
WiZZyWiGG Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.03 09:46:00 - [189] Why would I also need to look at the Rise one, it should be the same as the R0NIN one stats wise anyway. Im pretty sure they post their losses ____________ BNC makes me feel Naughty
Lord Takani Caldari Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.11.03 21:19:00 - [190] go ronin!
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.03 23:26:00 - [191] Rise should get off their butt and make their killboard public. They claimed it was going to be 'rsn' months ago. Open that sucker up!
Kmacross Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.04 00:55:00 - [192] go ronin go "no guts, no glory"
Fast Track Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.04 01:30:00 - [193] Originally by: WiZZyWiGG From the looks of the R0NIN killboard it seems they are doing very well against Rise. Keep up the good work lads And this support comes from one of the first ones to run from the conflict in XZH....
Zirator Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.04 11:37:00 - [194] I find the comments made by RISE members very funny. Most of the people that left RISE when they were still up in Cloud Ring. We explained the reasons behind it. And we got no *****ing, whining and complaining. Everyone said that they understood the decision of said pilot / corporation, wished them luck and safe travels. Even deals were made about the use of Outer Ring and Rise "controlled" Syndicate space. Then Rise starts withdrawing these deals which were hardly 2 weeks old, and they are surprised that we start shooting them. And then they also have the guts to come here and put the people down that did more for Rise in the beginning then the whole lot of carebears that is left in Rise together. I think Rise is funny. And I'll hapilly hunt them and their silly friends down. Die Rise!
Dakaris Zulu Red 42	Posted - 2006.11.04 14:08:00 - [195] Good Luck RISE... Hope you can get the knife from your back soon..
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.04 16:22:00 - [196] Originally by: Fast Track And this support comes from one of the first ones to run from the conflict in XZH.... 1. read the whole thread before posting.. as you clearly did not 2. think about what people said, at least try to if you can 3. notice that most of the (ex-norad) corps that left rise already planned it before the xzh party 4. realise that they planned this that early... is because they noticed early enough that they merged with a bunch of noobs and carebears who were working only for their own wallet and not for the wealth of the alliance (with a few exceptions tho) 5. have fun ronin
Kmacross Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.04 17:31:00 - [197] well remember the situation with outbreak/youwhat in xzh ? well youwhat was not a match, cause they had not the nummbers to attack us.Most of the time we had like 40-50ppl in gang, most of them where know as old norad ppl, and "some" good ppl from fa When outbrak came in, rise had not really a good chance, and youwhat was also growing in nummbers.... with a ally channel like 250ppl and only 50 in gang defendeing your home is a difficult thing ;), and for sure if u have to face guys like outbreak (good organized, with the proper t2 fittings) it is a really sad thing that rise went down, but this is a result of ppl who just dont care.Ronin are mostly old norad corps, and they deserve all our respect.U guys will get outer ring back, there is no point in discussing it :) guerilla tactics 4tw :D "no guts, no glory"
Fast Track Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.04 19:59:00 - [198] Edited by: Fast Track on 04/11/2006 19:59:46 Originally by: Schneiderr Originally by: Fast Track And this support comes from one of the first ones to run from the conflict in XZH.... 1. read the whole thread before posting.. as you clearly did not 2. think about what people said, at least try to if you can 3. notice that most of the (ex-norad) corps that left rise already planned it before the xzh party 4. realise that they planned this that early... is because they noticed early enough that they merged with a bunch of noobs and carebears who were working only for their own wallet and not for the wealth of the alliance (with a few exceptions tho) 5. have fun ronin Well, you are pretty much clueless as to anything that went on. The former NORAD who are mostly euro couldn't hold their own against YouWhat. So what was really the sense of even having them in the alliance to begin with. As we are seeing in the fight against the Ronin they can't even hold their own against what is supposedly a weak euro based Rise. Enough said about it now.
Rugs	Posted - 2006.11.04 20:35:00 - [199] Originally by: Fast Track Edited by: Fast Track on 04/11/2006 19:59:46 Originally by: Schneiderr Originally by: Fast Track And this support comes from one of the first ones to run from the conflict in XZH.... 1. read the whole thread before posting.. as you clearly did not 2. think about what people said, at least try to if you can 3. notice that most of the (ex-norad) corps that left rise already planned it before the xzh party 4. realise that they planned this that early... is because they noticed early enough that they merged with a bunch of noobs and carebears who were working only for their own wallet and not for the wealth of the alliance (with a few exceptions tho) 5. have fun ronin Well, you are pretty much clueless as to anything that went on. The former NORAD who are mostly euro couldn't hold their own against YouWhat. So what was really the sense of even having them in the alliance to begin with. As we are seeing in the fight against the Ronin they can't even hold their own against what is supposedly a weak euro based Rise. Enough said about it now. I was quite active in XZH in both timezones, in fact i never saw you there at all, also it's not that weird that YW put up some resistance at euro timezone when they are 90% europeans... They had like 2-3 members online between 23-08, in fact when most ex-NORAD corps left they were still on top on the killboard, hell wouldn't surprise me if they still are. I don't like smacking a lot but when some unknown random player probably never fired at shot at the enemy starts talking about defending your space i just have to react :) Again it's you who has to get a clue, obviously you weren't even there so how can you have an opinion about it?
LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 01:53:00 - [200] Edited by: LordXL on 05/11/2006 01:53:10 Originally by: Fast Track Well, you are pretty much clueless as to anything that went on. The former NORAD who are mostly euro couldn't hold their own against YouWhat. So what was really the sense of even having them in the alliance to begin with. As we are seeing in the fight against the Ronin they can't even hold their own against what is supposedly a weak euro based Rise. Enough said about it now. Who are you again? and why should we care what you have to say? Formerly Vigo Barboza... Always aroused...
walternumnuts	Posted - 2006.11.05 05:04:00 - [201] hahhahahahahahahahaha
Gius Adoma Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 11:03:00 - [202] Heh well the killboard says it all! Itr proves RISE and their VC mates are lemmings! Why do you keep running into the pos's and dieing? = Times of Ancar = < THE R0NIN >
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.05 11:24:00 - [203] Originally by: Gius Adoma Itr proves RISE and their VC mates are lemmings! Why do you keep running into the pos's and dieing? because they can?!
Nyack GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:23:00 - [204] Originally by: Fast Track Well, you are pretty much clueless as to anything that went on. The former NORAD who are mostly euro couldn't hold their own against YouWhat. So what was really the sense of even having them in the alliance to begin with. As we are seeing in the fight against the Ronin they can't even hold their own against what is supposedly a weak euro based Rise. Enough said about it now. think about who u are insulting! Greyc did huge work for RISE and talking trash about all ex norad corps as a group is very insulting and if i were you i would look for pulling more corps into the conflict. also as i understand there are a few ex norad corps still in rise that might be very offended by jerks like you. so watch your tongue noobling!!!
somebody Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:37:00 - [205] Wont be long now nyack before they start shooting you while blue like other people who tried to stay friends and show support for the alliance.... once a backstabber always a backstabber
Dhan Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:47:00 - [206] There was no blue-on-blue shooting besides YAK shooting RISE members while we were still blue. Arrogance and disrespect from some of your leaders however is not tolerated. Originally by: somebody Edited by: somebody on 05/11/2006 17:40:05 Wont be long now nyack before they start shooting you while blue like other people who tried to stay friends and show support for the alliance.... once a backstabber always a backstabber... actions like these have really disapointed me and a lot of old friends have lost my respect
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:51:00 - [207] Originally by: Dhan There was no blue-on-blue shooting besides YAK shooting RISE members while we were still blue. I think if you're referring to the incident with Suzanna and myself then you'll find we told you several weeks before that you weren't blue
skini Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:52:00 - [208] Originally by: Gius Adoma Heh well the killboard says it all! Itr proves RISE and their VC mates are lemmings! Why do you keep running into the pos's and dieing? sarcasm on oh, you mean that large POS in d5i that you guys lost a fleet trying to defend .. in YOUR prime time /sarcasm kudos for jumping into the bubbled gate camps and kudos for giving a good account of yourselfs, but RISE held the field, took the loot and were hit far less in the pocket as a direct result while getting a nice morale boost, not only from that, but from the death of the POS later. Trading the few ships we lost at the d5i POS for killing a dozen or so fighters and above all else ensuring the safety of our dreads is a nice price to pay for watching a POS blow up :) Also, while we are on the subject of POSs .. its a pity that your KB's don't show all the POSs that you have lost on a slightly funnier note, I had a good chuckle at the pilot who was sneaking out of the POS shields and pwning the tech1 drones around the dreads and we had a laugh at our own pilot who was constantly losing his pod to a malediction while he was frapsing heh the fighting so far has been relatively smack free (atleast, when I am there) and fun, so hopefully it stays that way ~=www.SGHQ.com=~
Eragon Endymion Gallente Red 42	Posted - 2006.11.05 20:12:00 - [209] good luck RISE
Borg017 BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.05 20:31:00 - [210] Originally by: somebody Edited by: somebody on 05/11/2006 17:40:05 Wont be long now nyack before they start shooting you while blue like other people who tried to stay friends and show support for the alliance.... once a backstabber always a backstabber... actions like these have really disapointed me and a lot of old friends have lost my respect RISE never shoots blues intentionally unlike others I know. And you are calling RISE a "backstabber"? -----------------------------------------------
scabbsssjr Gallente The Afterlife	Posted - 2006.11.05 20:45:00 - [211] Didn't someone make a post recently say nothing is happening up their?
somebody Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 21:50:00 - [212] That is complete bull** ban tieer was shot while having you as blue but yes it wasnt a blue shooting a blue it was you not having the balls to inform us that you was making a change to standings you was just being cowards and looking to stab someone in the back when they thought u was still friendly Originally by:** Dhan There was no blue-on-blue shooting besides YAK shooting RISE members while we were still blue. Arrogance and disrespect from some of your leaders however is not tolerated. Originally by: somebody Edited by: somebody on 05/11/2006 17:40:05 Wont be long now nyack before they start shooting you while blue like other people who tried to stay friends and show support for the alliance.... once a backstabber always a backstabber... actions like these have really disapointed me and a lot of old friends have lost my respect
Fast Track Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.05 22:05:00 - [213] Originally by: Nyack Originally by: Fast Track Well, you are pretty much clueless as to anything that went on. The former NORAD who are mostly euro couldn't hold their own against YouWhat. So what was really the sense of even having them in the alliance to begin with. As we are seeing in the fight against the Ronin they can't even hold their own against what is supposedly a weak euro based Rise. Enough said about it now. think about who u are insulting! Greyc did huge work for RISE and talking trash about all ex norad corps as a group is very insulting and if i were you i would look for pulling more corps into the conflict. also as i understand there are a few ex norad corps still in rise that might be very offended by jerks like you. so watch your tongue noobling!!! I'm talking about all the ex NORAD who left Rise and are now attacking us. If you think that includes you, so be it. Name calling sure shows your IQ level.
somebody Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 23:01:00 - [214] Fast track why dont you stfu as you obviously havent got a clue as im sure your too busy mining most the time and as for name calling im just stating a few facts that most of RISE are well aware of but get uptight about so you blabber more and more crap and as for us attacking you we all know you started this conflict so deal with it
Dhan Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.05 23:35:00 - [215] There's some very bitter pilots on this forum. Calm down. Fyi, Fast Track is not a miner. Now you can stop being so sure about that. I see a lot of posts coming up while the buddy list shows the pilot is logged off ingame. Less forum posting and more fighting pls. Dhan Originally by: somebody Fast track why dont you stfu as you obviously havent got a clue as im sure your too busy mining most the time and as for name calling im just stating a few facts that most of RISE are well aware of but get uptight about so you blabber more and more crap and as for us attacking you we all know you started this conflict so deal with it
Galum Arfamon Red 42	Posted - 2006.11.05 23:36:00 - [216] Good luck RISE! And whoever wins or loses - just make it a good, smack-free and fun fight (a la TOXIN)!
Skelator Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.05 23:38:00 - [217] Edited by: Skelator on 05/11/2006 23:39:35 Edited by: Skelator on 05/11/2006 23:38:44 Well, you are pretty much clueless as to anything that went on. The former NORAD who are mostly euro couldn't hold their own against YouWhat. So what was really the sense of even having them in the alliance to begin with. As we are seeing in the fight against the Ronin they can't even hold their own against what is supposedly a weak euro based Rise. Enough said about it now. Couldnt hold their OWN? And you are? You must be Kidding right? Even the Major Alliances AND MAJOR PLAYERS of this game have Nothing but Respect for N.O.R.A.D. Your propaganda is really amusing.. This is "NOT" a IMP post but my Own Opinion. Please resize your signature to the limits specified in the forum rules, thanks. -wystler ([email protected]) StrongHold Knights First into Battle Last Out
Fast Track Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 00:22:00 - [218] Originally by: Skelator Edited by: Skelator on 05/11/2006 23:39:35 Edited by: Skelator on 05/11/2006 23:38:44 Well, you are pretty much clueless as to anything that went on. The former NORAD who are mostly euro couldn't hold their own against YouWhat. So what was really the sense of even having them in the alliance to begin with. As we are seeing in the fight against the Ronin they can't even hold their own against what is supposedly a weak euro based Rise. Enough said about it now. Couldnt hold their OWN? And you are? You must be Kidding right? Even the Major Alliances AND MAJOR PLAYERS of this game have Nothing but Respect for N.O.R.A.D. Your propaganda is really amusing.. This is "NOT" a IMP post but my Own Opinion. Actually, who are you and why are you adding your 2 cents worth here, Skelator. I haven't seen you fighting in OR, so I would just go blabber on some other thread if I were you.
whohuhwhat Gallente principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 00:30:00 - [219] Respectfully Fast Track, please do not flame those who you know nothing about. Skelator and his crew as well as others from IMP fought against and with the residents of OR for a long time. All i'm asking for is that you allow others to post their feelings and thoughts with out the 'who the hell are you' and 'i haven't seen you do any fighting' etc.... As to the conflict at hand, i won't go into it as there is enough hurt feelings in this thread. whohuhwhat Keeper of the herd
Fast Track Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 00:46:00 - [220] Originally by: whohuhwhat Respectfully Fast Track, please do not flame those who you know nothing about. Skelator and his crew as well as others from IMP fought against and with the residents of OR for a long time. All i'm asking for is that you allow others to post their feelings and thoughts with out the 'who the hell are you' and 'i haven't seen you do any fighting' etc.... As to the conflict at hand, i won't go into it as there is enough hurt feelings in this thread. People from outside parties posting their opinions about the current affairs of OR really shouldn't base their posts on the past. I'm stating the current flow of events and to have people post relating to bygone years, really doesn't pertain to the facts at hand. I have the utmost respect for the former NORAD corps that have not shafted Rise, as for the ones that have left us and decided to fight us, that respect will have to be earned.
Fig Neuton	Posted - 2006.11.06 00:48:00 - [221] Edited by: Fig Neuton on 06/11/2006 00:49:13
whohuhwhat Gallente principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 00:49:00 - [222] Fair enough, you have your opinion and if you want to be an ass go ahead. I am done. whohuhwhat Keeper of the herd
Roland 99 Minmatar Battlestars Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.06 01:37:00 - [223] Wow what an *******. you should be run over in the streets and raped by angry clydesdales _______ My pod is filled with beer. Dont make me spring a leak
Skelator Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.06 02:12:00 - [224] Couldnt hold their OWN? And you are? You must be Kidding right? Even the Major Alliances AND MAJOR PLAYERS of this game have Nothing but Respect for N.O.R.A.D. Your propaganda is really amusing.. This is "NOT" a IMP post but my Own Opinion. Quote: Actually, who are you and why are you adding your 2 cents worth here, Skelator. I haven't seen you fighting in OR, so I would just go blabber on some other thread if I were you. LOL I guess I Could bring down my Ghost Fleet Cavalry to quiet your nerves but.. Im sure N.O.R.A.D. doesn't need any Help with a Blowhard Forum *** like you. AS FOR US NEVER BEING DOWN THEIR IF YOU RESEARCHED THE STUPIDITY YOU SPEWED ON THE FORUMS YOU WOULD SEE YOU JUST MADE A GIANT FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF.. (Again) Regards Skelator Please resize your signature to the limits specified in the forum rules, thanks. -wystler ([email protected]) StrongHold Knights First into Battle Last Out**
Skelator Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.06 02:15:00 - [225] Originally by: whohuhwhat Fair enough, you have your opinion and if you want to be an ass go ahead. I am done. I have nothing but MAJOR Respect for you with this Post. Your Efforts are not useless as we all see their are alot of good players in R.I.S.E. too Good Luck Skelator Please resize your signature to the limits specified in the forum rules, thanks. -wystler ([email protected]) StrongHold Knights First into Battle Last Out
Soulie principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 03:08:00 - [226] Calming down and taking a deep breath would perhaps be a nice thing. This flamefest does not suit either RISE or THE RONIN. Both of our alliances; should and do know that we aint all that bad or all that good and flaming surely is not gonna make us look better. Grey Council. For whatever reasons you were dragged in here, I on the behalf of PROMO and hopefully RISE as well, offer you an apology. I have not read all the posts on this 8 or 9 pages flamefest board and wont. NORAD was not a bad alliance and wont ever be so in my mind; I am sure FA wasnt either; I didnt fly with them back then. The fact that Nrd and FA merged; tells me only one thing; they liked each other. Now cool it folks; pls. Soulie
Galdoth BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:31:00 - [227] Come on cut out the bs guys. We have a lubberly lil shooting fest going on here so let's just enjoy the game.
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:24:00 - [228] Originally by: Soulie This flamefest does not suit either RISE or THE RONIN. Both of our alliances; should and do know that we aint all that bad or all that good and flaming surely is not gonna make us look better.Soulie Agreed... RISE has complete repect for N.O.R.A.D and the history they built. They hold a very repected place in the history of Eve. The forces of RONIN claim that since they were member corps of this great alliance that they can use NORAD's reputaion and it's great history to somehow garner support from those that remember the real NORAD. I fought along side many great NORAD pilots and those NORAD corps who left RISE and have maintained the great relationships we started have our respect too. This conflict is between RISE and a handful of Ex-RISE corps (irregardless of previous affilation) who chose to leave the allaince and try to take by force the region they agreed would be claimed by RISE. They may say what they will about what RISE used to be, but they are not fighting RISE's history just as we are not fighting N.O.R.A.D. RISE and RONIN are who they are today. Let's drop foolish attempts to bring up the past and finish this on the field of battle. (btw Roland... good to see you. SG says hi) RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Ban Tier Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:28:00 - [229] Originally by: Kaylis Tzu This conflict is between RISE and a handful of Ex-RISE corps (irregardless of previous affilation) who chose to leave the allaince and try to take by force the region they agreed would be claimed by RISE. They may say what they will about what RISE used to be, but they are not fighting RISE's history just as we are not fighting N.O.R.A.D. Kaylis I thought Vache would be the worst diplomat, but you even top it by being totally clueless. I have two links for you, so that you have an idea who was NORAD and who not: Corp stats 05/2006 Corp stats 06/2006 You can move several month back and see NORADs historie. And now check, what NORAD corps are left in RISE and what corps are shooting you. And pls take also into account the corps, who are "not allowed" to join R0NIN directly and still prefer to shoot at you and fly side by side with us. So this conflict has become (most) xNORAD vs. (mostly) xFA - like it or not. But why do you need a justification for shooting ? Just enjoy it. And pls inform yourself a bit more about the who is who in the community, before you make a to great fool out of yourself. Ban CEO Times of Ancar
LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:29:00 - [230] Quite simply CHON are and were NORAD. Formerly Vigo Barboza... Always aroused...
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 23:31:00 - [231] Originally by: LordXL Quite simply CHON are and were NORAD. Then why continue to cling to NORAD's reputation and history as an alliance if you can stand on your own. If CHON "are and were" NORAD then why keep invoking the historic NORAD in an attempt to claim legitimacy. No body debates that you have good pilots and that you did a great job against Goon. It's not hard to rack up kb kills when you are fighting goon and raiding Syndicate every night. I'll go so far as to say that CHON was still in the top of the RISE kb's while we were in Cloud Ring. But... 60-80% of your kills were in Syndicate and/or not in RISE claimed space. You guys keep touting your kb's, and those who don't actually look at the stats closely will give you some props. I will remain skeptical about any killboard comment you make and curious as to why you didn't post these 2 months... NORAD PVP (September 06) I count 7 kills the whole month we were engaged with TOXIN and YW NORAD PVP (October 06) By my count only 26% of all RONIN's kills were against RISE member corps. Trivia Question 1: In the month of October (in which RONIN began their conflict with RISE) how many noob corps are in the top 5 for most killed by the forces of RONIN? Trivia Question 2: Which RISE corps appear in the top 5 of most killed during the month of October? Trivia Answer 1: 3 (Center for Advanced Studies 22%, Fedral Navy Accademy 15%, and State War Accademy 15%) Trivia Answer 2: Zero RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Nalrath Tolahnia GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.11.07 03:44:00 - [232] Originally by: Kaylis Tzu Random Banter of useless information Whoever elected you as Senior Diplomat - needs to create an intelligence division, cause your horribly out of date or lacking intel on things. The NORAD killboard your refering to in Sepember and October is not in anyway a true reflection of Ronin or the 'Ex-RISE' corps shooting RISE currently, CHON and co was mostly using it as a temp solution until a flashy looking killboard could be created for them as a group. As for September - most of the corps were still a part of RISE and thus using the RISE killboard, since you finally got around to revoking my access 2-3 weeks ago you can be kind enough to go look up the data yourself, if you didnt know something so simple and intelligent as that - then resign and save people the trouble of putting you in your place, it requires effort i'd rather waste elsewhere. so do us a favour 1: check your intel next time you start quoting stats 2: make the RISE killboard public - if i recall we did vote and approve that action in july or august, its now november (i know democracy is slow, but still). ------------------------------------------------ War is Hell but it is the price we pay for the freedom we so desperately need. A Waffle Life Member, Currently feeling a Grey
Gius Adoma Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:57:00 - [233] Edited by: Gius Adoma on 07/11/2006 08:58:07 This is where you should be looking for R0NIN's kills: http://kb.eve-ronin.org/ = Times of Ancar = < THE R0NIN >
PreTender Amarr Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.07 10:39:00 - [234] Your link is not working gius Ronin killboard Chon Times of ancar Yakuza __________________________ http://www.eve-extra.com http://www.eve-wiki.net
Lucius Ventrue Minmatar Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:31:00 - [235] Wow lots of politics ... At anyrate, new to the OR and this conflict all I can say is these encounters on the battlefield are great fun. Thank you on both sides of the conflict for giving me more than enough fun for my $14.95 a month! To think i was a empire ***** for 7 months before joining a 0.0 corp/alliance... pft.. Lucius Ventrue
Durvaul Caldari SAS Strike Team Lacuna Viators Imperium	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:44:00 - [236] Originally by: Shivaja Lots Of Random Stuff yah, umm, u dont own outer ring btw, u jus live there and no, i dun think u can be kicked from an npc region if ur smart enuff, if ti wasnt, ud be out mmkay?
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:32:00 - [237] Originally by: LordXL Quite simply CHON are and were NORAD. CHON were only allowed to stay in NORAD because they used to mine for BNC, otherwise we'd have kicked them long ago, Shiv doesn't know one end of a gun from the other to be honest. P.S. It's still my region (regardless of what myggan and DG claim) Blog
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.13 21:00:00 - [238] i wonder how anarchy online who are currently strengthing their claim to ex goon space in syndicate will view this conflict up in OR - do AO and AE have an interest in outer ring or are they content to live in sydnicate until bob come to clense the region

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