Why do people keep repeating low numbers? Almost 37k users on at this moment. Every weekend it looks the same to me. Think you guys look at times when timbuktu is the prime timezone.

Haven't you ever stood too close to a fire, just to watch it burn?

Try it - Fire, like Eve, will eventually consume itself by slowly destroying and getting rid of the very thing it needs to survive.


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I never intended this to be an "Eve is dying" thread - I love eve and was hoping by voicing my opinions and getting others to do the same, it may help CCP see what they are doing to OUR game. I don't care how many statistics and what data CCP use to decide on changes - Not playing the game as the average customer does, means they have a far different view of the game than those who play it every day. The small focus group they rely on is obviously too small or is it just too focused to be valid.

CCP may own the rights to EveOnline but the game "used" to belong to its players. We made Eve, CCP adjusted to player needs and things were for the most part pretty good.
Now CCP have taken the player out of Eve development and are doing it themselves.

Look at what we have -

A sort of sov system that favours large groups, almost exclusively. ( I say "sort of" because as things stand we have no idea what we will end up with - CCP is still deciding and so put off releasing it) All we have so far is a grand ability for trolling with an all new module. (trolling, is not warfare)

Neocom icons that are supposed to be modern and easily identifiable that are just plain boring and still hard to recognize at a glance.

A Beta map, set as default that is not close to finished and usable - You have to "opt out" of using a beta product, rather than opt in as is usually the case for testing new things.

We now have a new icon set, designed for specific hardware technology (4K, 5K monitors) that is still not in mainstream production, therefore accessible to only a minority of the player base.

While I'm here, can I also mention the new industry interface, that consumes nearly half of my available screen space and is not able to be re-sized. The now extended time it takes to log in, the 8 to 10 seconds of black screen "every time" I undock.
I could go on but you get the idea.

CCP need to slow down and start getting what we have now working as it should, instead of just throwing new unfinished untested updates into the mix.
It is nice to get new stuff but not if it doesn't work properly.

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What occurred in Dec of 2012 that shot up PCU from 46k to 57k in one month, though?

@ CCP

Increasing your subscription fees for induvidual countries and reasoning it with tax changes that was implimented 4 years ago us the reason is kinda speeding up this process.... just saying....

NB; Eve isn't dying, it is just surviving with less players.

For the millionth time: there is no mechanic short of GM fiat that will let a small casual group hold or gain sov in the face of determined opposition from a large, well organised one. Any complaints about a sov system based on that objection are a waste of time.

The solution is to have something to occupy the big groups (drifters space, jove space, whatever), so they are distracted away from the small holders in the first place and fight each other. Ideally bad space being fought over by several small bad alliances, while valuable space would be fought over by large competent alliances. Opposed to what the situation is now, where most all sov is worth only being held by the medicore, with large rich groups appearing sansha style on small guy's borders and running farming incursions into it to stave off boredom because there's literally nothing left to do or achieve.

He means the running average.

We broke 40k for the first time in months on Saturday of May the 2nd. Needs more oomph with Sov 5.0.1.

And Citadel stations.

And Walking in Stations.





There is only one chart, and it is this - http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Select the "All" timeframe.

Everything else is sugarcoating.

Forum activity at all time low as well probably - can be gleaned from Eve-search.com. Market Discussion activity is down - there used to be new threads for loans on a daily, even hourly, basis.

Such threads - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=170767 happened during the period of low ebb in 2012-YC114.

What occurred in Dec of 2012 that shot up PCU from 46k to 57k in one month, though?

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I just get emails now from afk friends, asking if it is worth re-subbing. Judging by recent happenings, the answer is going to remain "not really" for a while yet. (Currently out of the 30 odd players I interacted closely with for years, there are 3 of us playing but with far less characters and activity than ever before)

Actually, the ALL time frame is the sugar coating - It says average of 37K per day.
Reality is, we haven't seen 37K average per day for a few years.
We might get 37K, one day a week for a couple of hours.

"What happened in 2012" - Retribution happened. In those days thousands of players who had not played for a length of time came back to see what the expansion brought. Some stayed, some just let subs expire again. Retribution I think saw many hang around as it actually contributed something to the game.

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What happened in Feb of 2014 tho? From 57k PCU to 39k in two months.

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what makes you think a sandbox with rules is not a sandbox?

Such an intricate avatar creation & detailing system, but the Door still remains closed.

February 2014 had a population spike after the BRB-5B battle, but it faded out soon. You can see how new character creation also spiked that month, with as much as 11,000 new characters created in a single day.

February 2014 had a population spike after the BRB-5B battle, but it faded out soon. You can see how new character creation also spiked that month, with as much as 11,000 new characters created in a single day.

Here's my opinion.......
f*ck the sandbox!

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THAT IS EVE!

You should put that sh*t on the website.
Quite fun for the trash that just killed poded you unprovked. Not so fun for you.
eve is not an exclsuive pvp game...so why am i forced to particpate in pvp when i have no desire to?

In closing eve sucks. And the entire player base is all scum.
I wish i had know that before PAID for it,

Here's my opinion.......
f*ck the sandbox!

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Here's my opinion.......
f*ck the sandbox!

I want an "opt out" option for pvp.
I got into eve for pve content.
To run pve missions.
To haul & mine. Not Pew pew.
Pirate scum all need to die.
James 3-- that idiot & code should all be perma banned.

PVE is bs. can't be done anywhere in game with out pvp'ers going out of thier damn way to ruin some one elses day.
I'm tired of pouring money into a game that i can't even f8cking enjoy. The player base in this game is the lowest comon denominator of humanity. Thei get thier jollies off buy intentionaly ruining someone elses day. "Your tears taste awsome."

I don't understand your problem!


No! I'm not a Pvper!
Sinds more then 2 years I avoid (if possible) combat!

I'm full industrialits,
mining, production, invention, sell on market...is what i do.

I lost ships and stuff... so what?
Therefore is no reason to complain. it's part of the game!

Our corp is spreaded over whole New Eden, HS, LS & Null.... and do we somewhere get troubles, we avoid it by moving.

To do business as usual is the challenge!

Here's my opinion.......
f*ck the sandbox!

I want an "opt out" option for pvp.
I got into eve for pve content.
To run pve missions.
To haul & mine. Not Pew pew.
Pirate scum all need to die.
James 3-- that idiot & code should all be perma banned.

PVE is bs. can't be done anywhere in game with out pvp'ers going out of thier damn way to ruin some one elses day.
I'm tired of pouring money into a game that i can't even f8cking enjoy. The player base in this game is the lowest comon denominator of humanity. Thei get thier jollies off buy intentionaly ruining someone elses day. "Your tears taste awsome."

Picture this:
It's a Sat. afternoon. Your doing stuff at home, we'll say working on your car. Hmmm needs the fan belt replaced. So yor drive half way across town to the nearest autoparts store. While your there you pick up a few more things you might need. may as well change the oil.....oooo fuzzy dice. sweet. You get every thing you want, walk to the check out and pay for it. Clerk smiles...hands you your bag of goodies. You turn and walk out the door and BOOM! BANG BOOM some fxcking punk(s) blows your brains all over the side walk, casualy cleans out your pockets, takes your bag of new parts, hops in your car and drives off laughing about how much greif they just caused you.

THAT IS EVE!

You should put that sh*t on the website.
Quite fun for the trash that just killed poded you unprovked. Not so fun for you.
eve is not an exclsuive pvp game...so why am i forced to particpate in pvp when i have no desire to?

In closing eve sucks. And the entire player base is all scum.
I wish i had know that before PAID for it,

Industrialists are PvPers. You mine, build and sell and thus compete with other players. If you want to opt-out of PvP, then you will be unable to do these things. I am an industrialist as well and I feel embarassed for you posting this nonsense.

THAT IS EVE!

You should put that sh*t on the website.
Quite fun for the trash that just killed poded you unprovked. Not so fun for you.
eve is not an exclsuive pvp game...so why am i forced to particpate in pvp when i have no desire to?

In closing eve sucks. And the entire player base is all scum.
I wish i had know that before PAID for it,

0bama Barack ******* said; Wrong thread / part of the forum?

Maybe or maybe not, for me to sub an account for 6 months is $92.60 as we get charged in US dollars and our exchange rate is pretty low right now. Around Xmas time when I last paid subs, it was $76.
I used to pay for a couple of my accounts with $. Not any more, if i can't easily plex an account it goes inactive or up for sale (I've shed 7 so far and combined a few into a single account). I have plenty of isk for now but it will eventually run out.

0bama Barack ******* said; I see that sov should be made much more rewarded everywhere....... Would be perfect time for betrayal of NAP too between largest groups.

This would really bring things to life. Problem is, the betrayers have a lot to lose if they fail, so "don't rock the boat". Fear of not being able to hold ones own space is what keeps a lot of the blues tied together - In large numbers we can conquer all, alone we may fail. (replacing "may" with "would", in some circumstances is more accurate)