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Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:40:00 - [1] So like maybe we can discuss how we are going to fit 8 425 II's on this thing?
Agent2 Holtze Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:43:00 - [2] With AWU @ lvl 4 you should have a little amount of PG left i think ? Posting and you!
Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:44:00 - [3] All I have to say: ha ha no 7 mids for you :P
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:51:00 - [4] 8 High 8 x 425 II's 6 Mid 3 x SB II's 2 x Tracking Comp II's 1 x ? 5 Low 3 x Mag Stab II's 1 x Tracking Enh II's 1 x ? Very similar to a Sniper Mega, we will need the Tracking Enhancer & Comp's I wonder?
Paigan Amarr Katsu Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:52:00 - [5] Edited by: Paigan on 24/10/2006 14:56:24 All i say is: 250km Optimal Range + Full Tank + 25% Overall Bonus Resistances 8x 425mm II 2x Sensor Booster II 1x XLSB II 2x Hardener II 1x Boost Amp 3x Mag Stab II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x (RCU I with AWU IV) or (PDS II with AWU V) Or you drop some tanking and fit for cap to run the guns unlimited -- This game is still in beta stage
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Tsar Maul All I have to say: ha ha no 7 mids for you :P I was hoping for 7 mids, but ... well that _would_ be pretty sick. I was actually expecting a 6/4 turret/missiles layout too. 6/4 with 7 mids would have worked. 8 turrets with 6 mids works for me too. It'll take a bit better than the raven if you go all out on it. Squeezing 425 IIs on will be tough if you want to do that :). 350 IIs might be a viable alternative - 's not like you need the bigger optimal, and the trade off on tracking vs. damage mod might be worth it. I reckon the Rohk is a well balanced ship. (but sorry, I've fallen in love with the Drake)
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:00:00 - [7] Yes yes, the 350's might do just fancy. Take 8 of those and load them up with some Javelin
MECHcore Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:02:00 - [8] Edited by: MECHcore on 24/10/2006 15:03:55 I doubt it will fit , but im gonna use something like this: HI: -8x neutron blasters T2 MED: -1x XL T2 booster -1x em hard T2 -1x invul field T2 ( maybe replaced by tracking comp T2 ) -1x 100mn ab T2 ( could change this for a cap booster ) -1x fleeting web -1x 20km fleeting scram LOW: -1x mag field stab T2 -4x PDU T2 Should have a very nice optimal with null ammo , i think somewhere around 20km or more , perfect for close range fleetbattles If the neutrons T2 do not fit coz of PG problems then il go for ions T2 offcorse. Blaster rokh all the way
Rhuu Gallente Es and Whizz	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:04:00 - [9] Edited by: Rhuu on 24/10/2006 15:04:56 8x neutrons with null would be more entertaining. ~25km blaster range, great shield tank, and lowslots for 3x magstab 2x enhancer, with an afterburner, extenders and invulns in the meds and webber drones in the bay. Edit: D'oh! Too slow! ;)
Bazman Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:05:00 - [10] Use 350 II's, Same range as a current Megathron, and a full set will cost you the same as 1 or 2 425mm Railguns ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente Whiner. Minmatar Whining is currently in training.
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:06:00 - [11] Should be able to carry some decent anti-tackler drones too My biggest problem with the Rokh is going to be all the rail noobs who think they can snipe :( The sniper mega was good at weeding them out.
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Agent2 Holtze With AWU @ lvl 4 you should have a little amount of PG left i think ? 15000 base ship pg * 1.25 (enginering 5) = 18750 pg 2625 base 425 II pg * 0.9 (AWU 5) * 8 guns = 18900 pg So you need a fitting mod even with awu 5 just to fit the guns.
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:17:00 - [13] Originally by: MECHcore Edited by: MECHcore on 24/10/2006 15:03:55 I doubt it will fit , but im gonna use something like this: HI: -8x neutron blasters T2 MED: -1x XL T2 booster -1x em hard T2 -1x invul field T2 ( maybe replaced by tracking comp T2 ) -1x 100mn ab T2 ( could change this for a cap booster ) -1x fleeting web -1x 20km fleeting scram LOW: -1x mag field stab T2 -4x PDU T2 Should have a very nice optimal with null ammo , i think somewhere around 20km or more , perfect for close range fleetbattles If the neutrons T2 do not fit coz of PG problems then il go for ions T2 offcorse. Blaster rokh all the way Powergrid is not a problem with 4 pdus, 2 is enough to be correct, but you are 18 cpu low if my math is correct. That should be fixable by some small switching (like named mwd maybe).
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:37:00 - [14] Thread must not die
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:38:00 - [15] whats there to say, gratz to a snipership to which all others will be compared from now on all hail the new king Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Corita	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:45:00 - [16] Im quite satisfied. The Rokh will need a couple of fitting mods, but that was expected.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:49:00 - [17] Originally by: MECHcore Edited by: MECHcore on 24/10/2006 15:03:55 I doubt it will fit , but im gonna use something like this: HI: -8x neutron blasters T2 MED: -1x XL T2 booster -1x em hard T2 -1x invul field T2 ( maybe replaced by tracking comp T2 ) -1x 100mn ab T2 ( could change this for a cap booster ) -1x fleeting web -1x 20km fleeting scram LOW: -1x mag field stab T2 -4x PDU T2 Should have a very nice optimal with null ammo , i think somewhere around 20km or more , perfect for close range fleetbattles If the neutrons T2 do not fit coz of PG problems then il go for ions T2 offcorse. Blaster rokh all the way Good luck running a blaster boat without an MWD or Cap Injector. Better hope you don't bump into my Hyperion :)
maGz The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:17:00 - [18] Edited by: maGz on 24/10/2006 19:18:03 243km optimal with best named 425s + Iron, 203km with Tungsten and 76km with AM ____________ The Priory Killboard
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:25:00 - [19] I'm happy. ------------------ CEO of TKI
SavageThrash 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:26:00 - [20] Sweet deal, i dont have to train for gallente to get a bs rail boat :) snip Please do not discuss moderation in your signature -Eldo Woah^^^
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:28:00 - [21] Now if they would release it ASAP
Zhull	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:34:00 - [22] Just out of curiosity, What would be the role of other battleships in fleet combat?
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:35:00 - [23] You gotta hold the target down some how :) And you need a loot scooper
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Zhull Just out of curiosity, What would be the role of other battleships in fleet combat? Meat shields. - What am I listening to?
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:24:00 - [25] This ship is really going to make the Eagle look like a toy.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:26:00 - [26] Originally by: Sgt Napalm This ship is really going to make the Eagle look like a toy. and as it should, its a battleship eagle is a cruiser.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:28:00 - [27] Raven will be good for med to close engagements, Scorp provides EWAR and the Rohk snipes the bastards too far away to be effectivly fought with missles. Caldari got all the bases covered now and I guess thats the problem considering balance and all. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Zhull Just out of curiosity, What would be the role of other battleships in fleet combat? comedic relief Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:33:00 - [29] Edited by: Butter Dog on 24/10/2006 20:33:33 Originally by: Sgt Napalm This ship is really going to make the Eagle look like a toy. The Eagle will still be uber at popping frigates. No tracking bonus on this thing. Also, a T2 Mega outdamages it up till about the 200km mark.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:37:00 - [30] It prolly will outdamage the sniper mega in a duel. No resist bonuses :) ------------------ CEO of TKI
Kapitanleutnant Mei	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:41:00 - [31] they've reduced its targeting range down to 90km since we opened this thread- would be interested to hear more thoughts on the viabilty of 350mm 2's
Dawson Caldari British Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:51:00 - [32] I played around with a quick setup when I was on the test server earlyer today. ended up with a max locking range of 249 or something like that, but my 425 optimal was 274km. so theres plenty of room to take some of those tracking enhancers of for a tank. I had a plate or 2 on low also. when i pressed F1-f8 i crashed to desktop i got put into a queue of 180+ so never got a chance to tweak the setup :) Ambassador & Admiral
hired goon Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:01:00 - [33] Hi guys, just wanted to pop in to let you know, I'm going to replace my mining apoc with a Rokh and 8 miner II's. -omg-
Changaroo State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:09:00 - [34] Originally by: hired goon Hi guys, just wanted to pop in to let you know, I'm going to replace my mining apoc with a Rokh and 8 miner II's. You sick sick man.
Revenant Shadow	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:37:00 - [35] Can fit 3 rigs, too. I'll probably take the +8% PG one, the +25% base shield EM resist one, and the +15% capacitor or -15% recharge one... tankasaurus rex with a 250km range.
Constantinee Caldari PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:47:00 - [36] Originally by: Zhull Just out of curiosity, What would be the role of other battleships in fleet combat? ravens primary targets rokh squad warps in and eliminaes all and 76 km with antimatter sweet jesus whats the range with t2 425's and antimatter? Want a Cheap sig?
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:53:00 - [37] the dmg that will come out of 8 425 mm rails without tracking or dmg bonus like the mega makes me not rain caldari bs lvl 5 and continute to go for minmatar , deffo the malestorm will do one hell of an alpha strike the rohk is nice but its just another eagle to me. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Culmen Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:58:00 - [38] Hi: 8x Miner II Med: Large shield booster II boost amp cap recharger what a ever hardeners are needed for your local rats Lows: Mining upgrade x2 PDU x2 Co-processor You know thats going to be how most of them end up fitted out :-p _____________________________________________________
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:57:00 - [39] Without touching rigs...I can get a rokh to a 235km optimal with 425 IIs and the nurfed spike ammo. Doesn't match very well with the other fleet platforms so it'll be tricky for a FC to deploy them in a fight just right. Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
Revenant Shadow	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:07:00 - [40] Simple solution: Genocide of all non-Caldari pilots and equip everyone left with Rokhs.
Kapitanleutnant Mei	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:42:00 - [41] i assume we will be using valk2@s in the drone bay or would 2 reloads of lights be better?
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:24:00 - [42] Something light to nuke the tacklers I really am split between the Sniper Mega and Rokh. I think I'll train them both up.
LC Sulla BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:40:00 - [43] Being Caldari I went the missile / jamming route but this looks very promising indeed. I'm not all that up on rail distances but if I'm correct this ship should have the highest sniping optimal range in the game (although not the highest damage). Certainly has potential.
Nazowa Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:45:00 - [44] It will be great fun for the people who cannot use Tech 2 guns but have Caldari BS trained for NPCing. They will get called to fleet fights now :) Meanwhile I will try vaseline and other ointments on my nerfed Tremor shells to be able to shoot that far
Natasha Kerensky The Company Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:52:00 - [45] Anyone else notice that this thing has the same shield hp as the Rattlesnake and better resists at a fraction of the cost?
Aakron Hybrid Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:59:00 - [46] doesnt it include the kali +50% hp?
zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:20:00 - [47] very short : FFS! I trained for gallente to have my sniping mega and then that............ DAMN! :))) Rokh ftw, anyone of you guys got ideas on prices? like 200mil or something? well i still like the idea of 8x 350 II But since i got AWU V i can fit 8x 425 as far as i read? greetings zwerg. Save the whales!!! Harpoon some Amarrians!!!!
Kazaam Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:23:00 - [48] Edited by: Kazaam on 25/10/2006 18:23:54 Originally by: zwerg very short : FFS! I trained for gallente to have my sniping mega and then that............ DAMN! :))) Rokh ftw, anyone of you guys got ideas on prices? like 200mil or something? well i still like the idea of 8x 350 II But since i got AWU V i can fit 8x 425 as far as i read? greetings zwerg. I don't think it would cost that much. It's just another tier, not a tech, meaning you can buy a BPO at NPC stations in empire :) So basically it would go : Tier 1 BS : 70-80m Tier 2 : 100-110m Tier 3 : 140-150m maybe, I hope not very more And 8x 425 II with AWU is gonna be quite tricky, I think you'd need at least a PDS II, in the owrst case a RCU _________________________________________
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:31:00 - [49] Originally by: Natasha Kerensky Anyone else notice that this thing has the same shield hp as the Rattlesnake and better resists at a fraction of the cost? dont forget most of the HP on the test server reflect the 50% increase so the rattler and CNR must be insane. i wonder if there will be a Navy/faction Rohk
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:37:00 - [50] 9 high slots?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:29:00 - [51] Guys, 350mm Railgun II's. They are what the Rohk is designed for. You can shoot out to 200km, tank really well etc... seriously. Its the answer. Minimal DPS hit too.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 00:05:00 - [52] You can get 8x 425 railgun IIs on it only needing a PDU II in the low. The near 21k sheilds with resistances is going to be cute in fleets. Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
Aleema Teradoya	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:07:00 - [53] What do u think of this setup? 8 x 425mm Prototype 1 Gauss Guns, 6 x Large Shield Extender 2's, 5 x Halcyon" Core Equalizer 1's. has an optimal range of about 100km on all guns, has about 28500 shield hitpoints and it actually fits!!!
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:21:00 - [54] Edited by: Butter Dog on 26/10/2006 01:24:06 Originally by: Aleema Teradoya What do u think of this setup? 8 x 425mm Prototype 1 Gauss Guns, 6 x Large Shield Extender 2's, 5 x Halcyon" Core Equalizer 1's. has an optimal range of about 100km on all guns, has about 28500 shield hitpoints and it actually fits!!! Your lock range will be about 3km. It will take you about 4 hours to lock a cruiser. Your DPS will be crappy, you have a massive hole in your EM resists, and even without the WCS you still can't lock up to 100km. You need to add sensor boosters, remove the stabs, add magnetic field stablisers, tracking enhancers/computers etc. Look up the fittings for the Sniper Mega and you will get the idea.
Kaell Meynn Divergence	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:25:00 - [55] Originally by: Aleema Teradoya What do u think of this setup? 8 x 425mm Prototype 1 Gauss Guns, 6 x Large Shield Extender 2's, 5 x Halcyon" Core Equalizer 1's. has an optimal range of about 100km on all guns, has about 28500 shield hitpoints and it actually fits!!! And has a lockrange of about 5m.
Aleema Teradoya	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:33:00 - [56] Edited by: Aleema Teradoya on 26/10/2006 01:34:27 why does it have such a short lock range? p.s. i know i have a huge hole in my EM resists, and i don't really care.
Nir	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:41:00 - [57] Originally by: Aleema Teradoya why does it have such a short lock range? Stabnerf > you.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:54:00 - [58] i just need to get my money in place so that when the first models roll off the line im ready to Rokh and Roll....
Aleema Teradoya	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:05:00 - [59] Okay..... is this better? 8 x 425mm Prototype 1 Gauss Gun, 6 x Large Shield Extender 2, 2 x "Halcyon" Core Equalizer 1, 1 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer 2 1 x Tracking Enhancer 2 1 x Signal Amplifier 2 Well?
Aleema Teradoya	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:32:00 - [60] Originally by: Nir Originally by: Aleema Teradoya why does it have such a short lock range? Stabnerf > you. what the hell is that supposed to mean?
Aurael Drakewing Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:51:00 - [61] Edited by: Aurael Drakewing on 26/10/2006 03:51:47 Originally by: Kazaam So basically it would go : Tier 1 BS : 70-80m Tier 2 : 100-110m Tier 3 : 140-150m maybe, I hope not very more I think the min cost is 130ish IIRC (CTD trying to fire all 8 railguns, still in que ) so at start I'd bet it's probably going to be closer to 160-170 mil with all the builders trying to make big profits.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:58:00 - [62] as I said in other thread....100% insurance payout on a Rokh is 165M. I fully expect this ship to be selling for around 180M - 200M untill there is enough researched BPOs in production. These new ships we're getting are not going to be cheap. Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:13:00 - [63] Originally by: Zhull Just out of curiosity, What would be the role of other battleships in fleet combat? I think with t2 the mega may get better DPS due to ship the bonus. T1 will let you get your noobs into fleet battles, but after T2 other ships will have better DPS. Using t2 you just get a 400km range, and no one can use that. --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Kazaam Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:22:00 - [64] Edited by: Kazaam on 26/10/2006 08:24:31 Here's the setup I've thought of : Highs : 8x 350mm II ( or 425mm II, but far more expensive ) Meds : 2x Sensor Booster II 2x Tracking Computer II 1x Photon Scattering Field II ( or XL SB II or even LSE II ) 1x Invulnerability Field II Lows : 1x Damage Control I 2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1x Medium Armor Repairer II I think with the 8x 350mm II it should fit without problems and could still pack a punch along with quite a tank. _________________________________________
Laboratus Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:33:00 - [65] AWU 5 and Power Diagnostic units? Mind control and tin hats
Kazaam Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:34:00 - [66] Originally by: Laboratus AWU 5 and Power Diagnostic units? I don't have AWU 5 yet, although planning on 4 for now. The PDS II n the PvE setups would only be for faster shield recharge rate. _________________________________________
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:35:00 - [67] Originally by: Synapse Archae T1 will let you get your noobs into fleet battles, but after T2 other ships will have better DPS. Using t2 you just get a 400km range, and no one can use that. Have you looked at the reworked Javelin advanced hybrid charges? No more shield HP penalty. It still lowers your tracking a bit, costs a lot of cap to fire, and reduces ship speed... but it's got 24/32 damage vs. Antimatter L's 28/20, and a Rokh (and most likely only a Rokh) will be able to employ these effectively in fleet engagements. I'd estimate around 50km range with those (without having the skills to test it though).
Fr3nzi Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:21:00 - [68] Originally by: Aleema Teradoya Originally by: Nir Originally by: Aleema Teradoya why does it have such a short lock range? Stabnerf > you. what the hell is that supposed to mean? WCS now halve your targeting range with just one fitted, they got nerfed. You can no longer fit stabs on anything you need a decent range on
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:37:00 - [69] Edited by: Butter Dog on 26/10/2006 09:38:55 Originally by: Aleema Teradoya Edited by: Aleema Teradoya on 26/10/2006 03:27:31 Okay..... is this better? 8 x 425mm Prototype 1 Gauss Gun, 6 x Large Shield Extender 2, 2 x "Halcyon" Core Equalizer 1, 1 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer 2 1 x Tracking Enhancer 2 1 x Signal Amplifier 2 i haven't put multiples of the Magnetic Field Stabilizer 2, Tracking Enhancer 2 or Signal Amplifier 2 on the ship as multiples of these modules is penalised. Well? P.S. what does "DPS" mean? No, you need to drop the WCS completely. WCS in Kali give a 50% reduction to lock time and lock range. And you need to drop the extenders from your mids and do something useful with them. Sensor boosters and Tracking Computer II's if you are sniping. DPS means Damage Per Second. As your ship does not have a damage bonus, 3 Mag Stab II are essential fitting. Fitting more than one isnt 'penalised' as such, its just that each is less effective than the previous... but fitting three is well worth it.
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:05:00 - [70] I'd fit two mag stabs instead of three, and rather add a second tracking enhancer, using the extra range it gives me to switch to a heavier hitting ammo type.
Shinshi Casoyako	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:35:00 - [71] Rokh will be most of the time pretty useless imho. It doesnt fit a good dps/tank setup for pve. So its near useless for that compared to the tier 2 raven. (cheaper and more usefull in pve) For pvp its essential a weaker verson of the blastathron and pvp-ing solo with high range usually means that the opponents can fly away cause you cant warpscramble beyond a certain range. Thus for solo-pvp this isnt the best ship out there. In fleet engagements I dont think a Rokh will be called in instead of a raven. Missiles are still to effective in mass fleets engagements. Though in absent of sniping tempests a rokh may be worth it but I rather have a good raven than a good rokh at my side in a fleet battle. Maybe the Rokh can "punt" assault frigs out of action with a good enough setup but I dont think that is the main use for a caldari BS flyer. In gate camps the Rokh might be usefull, but since it doesnt have a strong enough alpha strike it might not be that usefull there aswell. But still might be worthwhile. The rokh also lacks the ability to deal with short range gunboats and drones. Its lack of drones almost forces you to take a MWD to keep at range or to fit as a blaster boat which is not its main role. All in all I probably will buy the ship but never fly it in serious engagements. Might fit it 4/4 325II and 4 cruise T2 CHeerz Shinshi Ps. An apo will still own as mining ship, cause it can fit 3 mining upgrades with 4 CPU II. A rokh will not be able to do that. . Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online?
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:43:00 - [72] Originally by: Shinshi Casoyako In fleet engagements I dont think a Rokh will be called in instead of a raven. Missiles are still to effective in mass fleets engagements. For what hell you need missiles in fleet battle? Stop posting. And die.
Shinshi Casoyako	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:52:00 - [73] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Shinshi Casoyako In fleet engagements I dont think a Rokh will be called in instead of a raven. Missiles are still to effective in mass fleets engagements. For what hell you need missiles in fleet battle? Stop posting. And die. I might be mistaken, havent flown a fleet battle since capital ships arrived. My thought is that a raven with a strong fitting can do much good in fleet battles. Warp in, lock target and spam missiles. Ether the opponents ship goes pop or warps away. If there are enough tacklers arround the raven is pretty viable. If you take the rokh though and fit for longer range you are probably be less effective (if effective at all) while you try to get to optimum range. Unless you fit for blasting (but that doesnt seem to be the main thing of the ship) So imho raven > rokh in fleet engagements. Again my thoughts might be flawed. . Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:56:00 - [74] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Shinshi Casoyako In fleet engagements I dont think a Rokh will be called in instead of a raven. Missiles are still to effective in mass fleets engagements. For what hell you need missiles in fleet battle? Stop posting. And die. lol The reasons Ravens tend to get called before other ships in fleets is not DPS, its ECM. But that should change soon enough. Having said that, Damps will be the new ECM in ranged fleet battles.
Nikla Uthaan Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:59:00 - [75] Silly thought maybe,, just RE: some fitting requirements for 8425mm's before,, what about 'Popper' 425's? Prolly an expensive kitout but an alternative? ----------------- One word,, emo,,, The Mishing* is an ethnic group in the districts of North Lakhimpur, Sonitput, Dhemaji, Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat, Golaghat, Tinsukia of Assam.
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:24:00 - [76] A close range tanking, cap injected, javelin using Rokh will be very useful for gang warfare.
Aleema Teradoya	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:01:00 - [77] Originally by: Fr3nzi Originally by: Aleema Teradoya Originally by: Nir Originally by: Aleema Teradoya why does it have such a short lock range? Stabnerf > you. what the hell is that supposed to mean? WCS now halve your targeting range with just one fitted, they got nerfed. You can no longer fit stabs on anything you need a decent range on Thank you for telling me about the WCS. I didn't know about them until now, so thank you very much. i will now rework my ship....
Aleema Teradoya	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:04:00 - [78] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 26/10/2006 09:38:55 Originally by: Aleema Teradoya Edited by: Aleema Teradoya on 26/10/2006 03:27:31 Okay..... is this better? 8 x 425mm Prototype 1 Gauss Gun, 6 x Large Shield Extender 2, 2 x "Halcyon" Core Equalizer 1, 1 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer 2 1 x Tracking Enhancer 2 1 x Signal Amplifier 2 i haven't put multiples of the Magnetic Field Stabilizer 2, Tracking Enhancer 2 or Signal Amplifier 2 on the ship as multiples of these modules is penalised. Well? P.S. what does "DPS" mean? No, you need to drop the WCS completely. WCS in Kali give a 50% reduction to lock time and lock range. And you need to drop the extenders from your mids and do something useful with them. Sensor boosters and Tracking Computer II's if you are sniping. DPS means Damage Per Second. As your ship does not have a damage bonus, 3 Mag Stab II are essential fitting. Fitting more than one isnt 'penalised' as such, its just that each is less effective than the previous... but fitting three is well worth it. Again, thank you. I didnt know WCS did that in Kali. thanks again...
Aleema Teradoya	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:57:00 - [79] Okay then, what about this setup? 8 x 425mm Prototype 1 Gauss Gun 6 x Large Shield Extender 2 3 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer 2 2 x Tracking Enhancer 2 I know it has no em resistances, and i know that lots of you may ask "where are the sensor boosters?" I don't like sensor boosters as they only work for a short time, so i picked tracking enhancers instead. also, my original aim for this ship was to have over 25000 shield hitpoints, regardless of resistances. the WCS have been removed, so can it now fire up to 100km?
Dexton Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:29:00 - [80] Why bother with the 425's just get 8xminers t2 and 4x mining upgrades and make it gather dust like the moas?
Shinshi Casoyako	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:17:00 - [81] Cause they cant fit them =p . Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online?

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