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Manfred Sideous
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Manfred Sideous on 26/10/2006 23:35:40 Dear Sir
It seems that you your alliance and your allies like to sling mud and accusations in the direction of entities that have good relations to the alliance Band Of Brothers. For the most part they have grossly overstated and unfounded. Most of us have sat queitly trying to figure out your motivations for doing so. As you will notice FIX MC XELAS The Horde and other entities having good relations with Band Of Brothers have stayed impassive and quiet. This is a ASCN & BOB conflict the last time I checked.
But yet FIX MC XELAS and others are called BOB lapdogs. There has been unprovoked attacks on FIX MC and XELAS as well. Dear Sir from what ive seen from killboards forums and player accounts ASCN has their hands very full. Now it would seem that AAA will be attacking your biggest ally and supporter.
Now with those things taken into consideration do still wish to sling mud make attacks and unfounded accusations. I can tell you Cyvok you are providing a catalyst fueling desires for entities that are at this point staying out of the conflict. Perhaps these entities will reach their ropes end with the strife you are attempting to serve.
So I ask you Cyvok is this what you want? Do you really want to provide a catalyst and justification for us "Lapdogs" as you call us to pounce? I would think that you humble down and stop slinging mud. Your hands seem to be full with your current obligations do you really want more?
In my estimation your E-peen isnt big enough to get into a P issing contest with the folks your slinging mud at.
Edit- Addendum Notice* This is a pod pilots personal perception of the current situation and does not reflect the official opinion of aforementioned entities.
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:42:00 -
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So you had to make your own thread instead of just adding to Avernus'?
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Major Stormer
Caldari Demon Womb
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:43:00 -
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So you had to make your own thread instead of just eve-mailing? -------------------------- Join Demon Womb! PVP, Rats, Industry, join the fun! |
EnglishBob
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:44:00 -
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Eve-Mail, Manfred. The last thing these forum needs is another 200 BoB/Ascn 'you suck', 'No you suck' posts. ------------------
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XoPhyte
Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/10/2006 23:44:50 Until you see Cyvok himself call those alliances or corporations "lapdogs" as you reference, then I would not go so far as to say the comments of some pilots in our alliance speak for Cyvok. We have 5000 members in our alliance, we cannot control their opinions or what they say.
Until someone with authority in our alliance (which is not me btw) says these remarks, then this topic is pointless.
And eve-mail > eve-o
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Manfred Sideous
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Manfred Sideous on 26/10/2006 23:52:46
Originally by: EnglishBob Eve-Mail, Manfred. The last thing these forum needs is another 200 BoB/Ascn 'you suck', 'No you suck' posts.
Your quite right buddy. That is the proper and mature way to handle such things. Im just replying in the Medium Cyvok chooses to make his points. As you will see here
Cyvok's Medium
*edit to fix link
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill Astrophobics
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:50:00 -
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Caldess
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Caldess on 26/10/2006 23:53:40 no you suck! --------------
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Nahual
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:54:00 -
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And the point of this thread was
Yes, I am aware my post has no point either -----------------------------------------------
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EnglishBob
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:57:00 -
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Dammit, You suck, Caldess! ------------------
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Manfred Sideous
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:59:00 -
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Sorry if this post didnt win the pulitzer prize. As my forum skills are weak. I dont see whats wrong with my post. Im asking legitimate questions to Cyvok and his folks. I also made legitimate points and did so with tact and respect.
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Malvahne
Amarr Wulong Mercenaries
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:00:00 -
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I like outbrake, they make me wanne touch my self .
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Voltron
Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:13:00 -
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The post is nice, constructive and fairly to the point, however you probably should have left it at signing Avernus's post and sent Cyvok an eve-mail.
Volt
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Gungankllr
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:15:00 -
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and the friend of my enemy is my enemy.
From a "Joe Nobody" standpoint, I'd say that is one of the major motivations in this fight.
In every conflict I've ever fought in, just putting "Friend to XXXX" has been enough to make you KOS.
I have the unique perspective of having been in both FIX and BoB at different times in my somewhat lengthy Eve history, although not everyone will remember me.
I know things change, when I was in BoB running in the northern territories, Xelas got poked at in gang/teamspeak for being completely worthless in fights unless they were sitting on a gate shooting people that came through.
I've talked to one or two Xelas guys about it that were willing to have a chat and not smack me in local, and in their eyes BoB treats them as important equals.
Like I said, things may have changed, as I haven't been in BoB for quite some time.
As for FIX, I was on the other side of the fence when BoB invaded the first time, felt weird to shoot at friends, but hey, it's a game.
My old corp Hadean Drive Yards left FIX a bit after the conflict pretty much winded down, and man... I don't think I've ever been prouder of an accomplishment when I found out from a buddy still in FIX that they were launching an outpost (I think it was their first?)
When I heard BoB popped their egg, I thought for sure it would be World War III from now until eternity.
But hey, things change.
After everything that has happened over the last several months, it's hard for me reconcile feeling pity or sadness for people that choose to ally themselves with BoB when they get involved in fighting.
A guy in Xelas made a post that rather moved me, about us taking their outpost.
I can tell he cares as much about his space as we do. But his alliance chooses to be friends or allies with the strongest PVP force in Eve.
I'm sorry you lost your outpost, but it's a casualty of war. You picked your side of the fence, which team you wanted to be on, and that's that.
I don't think that anyone in ASCN wants to keep your outpost, although Serpentis NPC's would be a cool change.
The bottom line is it opens up a second front to move into BoB space from, a second staging area.
If you guys were neutral, or even hostile to BoB, I don't think I would be typing this post right now.
This is a war, you're going to lose ships, stations and clones.
Just like we are going to lose ships and clones. Okay, and maybe a station here or there.
I hold no grudge against FIX and Xelas.
From everything I've heard, BoB wants us gone. Dead. Destroyed. Minced. Chopped. Pureed.
If I have to take a Xelas station to make things harder for them to deal with, then so be it.
That's all I wanted to say about that.
This post in no way should be associated as an official response to your question, for I am just "Joe Nobody" in ASCN.
If you want an official response, wait for a HC or CEO or Alliance CEO to respond.
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
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Manfred Sideous
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Voltron The post is nice, constructive and fairly to the point, however you probably should have left it at signing Avernus's post and sent Cyvok an eve-mail.
Volt
Probably right mate. I just felt compelled to write this post after having mud slung at my alliance and othe innocent entities. In all honesty is was a "Yo back the F off " post in a sublte yet polite way.
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Voltron
Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Manfred Sideous
Originally by: Voltron The post is nice, constructive and fairly to the point, however you probably should have left it at signing Avernus's post and sent Cyvok an eve-mail.
Volt
Probably right mate. I just felt compelled to write this post after having mud slung at my alliance and othe innocent entities. In all honesty is was a "Yo back the F off " post in a sublte yet polite way.
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Xianthar
Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:40:00 -
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http://www.celestial-horizon.net/standings/standings.php
your -5.0
-xian
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w0rmy
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2006.10.27 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Manfred Sideous [ But yet FIX MC XELAS and others are called BOB lapdogs.
Thing is, FIX are BoB lapdogs.
If your bite was as big as your bark, id say 'OMG Cyvok ya in trouble now!!'
But since it isnt, lollercopterorlmaoskates.
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Dark Shikari
What single item is larger than a jetcan?
My ego?
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Adhamhnon
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.27 01:40:00 -
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As to "attacking Xelas" and such, I refer you to the allaince territorial map.
http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg
I didn't see any posts from Xelas debating the fact that they own fountain and not BoB, so a station in fountain would be a fair target would it not?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.27 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xianthar http://www.celestial-horizon.net/standings/standings.php
your -5.0
A small question for the ACSN folks.
You've got your hands full with BoB, obviously: they're tough opponents.
If so, why in the hell are you trying **** off FIX into attacking you? Do you think its easier to fight two alliances at once than to just fight one? It still doesn't make sense to me.
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Murph Dog
The Flying Tigers Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.27 02:34:00 -
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While attacking Fix/Xelas/& co. might bring more targets it is easily justified by the fact that those alliances are operating from BoB stations and as such are contributing economically to BoB's War Machine. That alone is enough to make them a viable target to anyone interested in taking on BoB.
If you were in a knife fight with a guy on the street, would you rather keep fighting him over and over? or just kick the guy behind him who keeps handing him new knives? Everyone's Favorite Canadian
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.27 02:51:00 -
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So it makes sense economically you say?
Let's test that theory.
Now, FIX has stated that they pay nothing to BoB, but lets say they pay rent in the stations. Now... any good raider in FIX space knows that FIX doesn't hang out around 3BK, or H74; so lets be realistic, and confine ourselves to 9CG in our calculations.
Cool?
Ok then. FIX has 11 corps, let's say they all pay the astronomical sum of 100m a month for an office in 9CG shall we... and at those prices, who the heck is going to have one in 3BK or H74?
Righty.. on we go, that comes up to a whopping huge 1.1b isk a month! Or 11 Tier 2 BS a month, but sans fittings.
OMGZORS! BoB IS RICH OFF FIX!!!!111
Ok, now sarcasm and irony aside etc. If FIX were to go hunting for ASCN, because they got ticked off for whatever reason, would they be able to inflict more than 1.1b isk damage in a month?
Does ASCN really need an irritated FIX hampering their movements in Delve, or searching out targets of opportunity close to home?
Well... I'll let you do the rest of the math.
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Galavet
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.27 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
If your bite was as big as your bark, id say 'OMG Cyvok ya in trouble now!!'
But since it isnt, lollercopterorlmaoskates.
w0rmy, Your the last person in Eve who should be talking about your bite being as big as your bark. Your nothing more than your fourm smack.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.27 02:56:00 -
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WTS shovels for digging bigger holes.
Blog
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill Astrophobics
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Posted - 2006.10.27 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight WTS shovels for digging bigger holes.
Canadian Tire sells them for less. Buy from there, Aisle 52.
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McMike
Hegemonic Core
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Posted - 2006.10.27 03:10:00 -
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Fix once had an small empire. Independent and proud.
Look at you now. Defending the people that slaughtered you into submission and now control and tax your alliance. Grow some nuts and take back what is yours back.
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Galavet
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.27 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: McMike Fix once had an small empire. Independent and proud.
Look at you now. Defending the people that slaughtered you into submission and now control and tax your alliance. Grow some nuts and take back what is yours back.
Your ignorance of the situation only makes you look more desperate to try and drive that wedge in.
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.27 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: McMike Fix once had an small empire. Independent and proud.
Look at you now. Defending the people that slaughtered you into submission and now control and tax your alliance. Grow some nuts and take back what is yours back.
A more foolish statement has not been uttered today.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.10.27 04:37:00 -
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The only good thing about this thread is the 0utbreak sigs.
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then?
Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
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Nebuli
Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.27 04:44:00 -
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I'm no fan or enemy of anyone mentioned or is part of this conflict, but...
You say Cyvok himself has said these things, which I have not seen anywhere, if I'm incorrect on this my apologies, but you cant realy blame Cyvok for things his members have said, then put at the bottom of your post what you say as a mere member is not speaking on behalf of your alliance.
If the ASCN saying these things are saying them on behalf of their alliance and Cyvok, then surely your post is also saying this for your whole alliance and its leadership, no?
Like I say I may have missed the post where he says the things you claim he does, in which case /slap me and I'll go back to my dark corner
CEO - Art of War
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