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Qual Gallente EMO Erotic Holoreel Studios	Posted - 2006.10.27 06:31:00 - [31] Originally by: Adhamhnon As to "attacking Xelas" and such, I refer you to the allaince territorial map. http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg I didn't see any posts from Xelas debating the fact that they own fountain and not BoB, so a station in fountain would be a fair target would it not? No. That map is useless in that regard tbh, and its certainly not gospel. Mind you that the map only reflect what some player has choosen to claim. There are many factual claims that you wont see on that map, as said alliances dont want to either borther with it or advertise thier pressence. If you want an accurate map I recomend using the ingame map to see WHO is claiming WHAT. From that you would clearly see Xelas, MC, The Horde, Storm Armada and FIX claims in what the alliance map sets as "BoB" space. But if you really do see all these people as valid targets, and given the fact that they have not declared war on you, do them the curticy of declairing war on them before you attack them. "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
Smacko Thug	Posted - 2006.10.27 06:59:00 - [32] Edited by: Smacko Thug on 27/10/2006 06:59:33
Sharcy Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.27 07:26:00 - [33] Originally by: Qual If you want an accurate map I recomend using the ingame map to see WHO is claiming WHAT. From that you would clearly see Xelas, MC, The Horde, Storm Armada and FIX claims in what the alliance map sets as "BoB" space. So when Molle said of Querious "Nice region, we'll take it", what he actually meant was "Nice region, we'll tell Joshua Foiritain to color it blue for BoB, but we won't actually do anything with it, it's still Fix's"? Come on now... --
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 07:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Sharcy So when Molle said of Querious "Nice region, we'll take it", what he actually meant was "Nice region, we'll tell Joshua Foiritain to color it blue for BoB, but we won't actually do anything with it, it's still Fix's"? Come on now... Those words were never uttered in the direction of Querious, please try again. A little hint - at the time FIX deserved some assistance. Despite our recent standings reset our respect for them reached past "pew pew" and led to us stepping in to defend our long term friends against some rather idiotic enemies. We prevented those enemies from achieving their goals whilst giving FIX space to breathe. As time goes by our decision to do this is vindicated a thousand fold. FIX prospers, FIX grows, we in BoB are immensely happy that it is now at the juncture where FIX are in a position to state their own terms of contact with entities that once (ASCN) tried to cut them off like lepers. You reap what you sow.
Guma Tempt Fate	Posted - 2006.10.27 07:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Xianthar http://www.celestial-horizon.net/standings/standings.php your -5.0 A small question for the ACSN folks. You've got your hands full with BoB, obviously: they're tough opponents. If so, why in the hell are you trying **** off FIX into attacking you? Do you think its easier to fight two alliances at once than to just fight one? It still doesn't make sense to me. it's easier to fight BoB with FIX, then BoB without FIX.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 07:54:00 - [36] Originally by: Guma Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Xianthar http://www.celestial-horizon.net/standings/standings.php your -5.0 A small question for the ACSN folks. You've got your hands full with BoB, obviously: they're tough opponents. If so, why in the hell are you trying **** off FIX into attacking you? Do you think its easier to fight two alliances at once than to just fight one? It still doesn't make sense to me. it's easier to fight anything but BoB Corrected for you.
Sharcy Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.27 08:27:00 - [37] Edited by: Sharcy on 27/10/2006 08:27:58 Originally by: Dianabolic Those words were never uttered in the direction of Querious, please try again. ORLY? (You actually had me doubting my memory there for a sec, he even mentions you as the guy to speak to, heh...) --
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:09:00 - [38] Edited by: Vathar on 27/10/2006 09:09:19 Originally by: XoPhyte Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/10/2006 23:44:50 Until you see Cyvok himself call those alliances or corporations "lapdogs" as you reference, then I would not go so far as to say the comments of some pilots in our alliance speak for Cyvok. We have 5000 members in our alliance, we cannot control their opinions or what they say. Until someone with authority in our alliance (which is not me btw) says these remarks, then this topic is pointless. And eve-mail > eve-o Ok, then let's look for an official announcment ... Originally by: "Cyvok, Spin This thread official announcment" Xelas, you need not die as slaves to BoB anylonger, now is your chance to make new friends. BoB Meat Shield 0, ASCN 1. Now you've seen it, is the thread worthwhile? I admit that FIX isn't mentionned there, but you see Xelas mentionned as a meatshield and a slave to Bob. ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:39:00 - [39] please fix amarr ships Euro 0.0 Gang PvP Recruitment
Smacko Thug	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:45:00 - [40] Edited by: Smacko Thug on 27/10/2006 09:45:46
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Galavet w0rmy, Your the last person in Eve who should be talking about your bite being as big as your bark. Your nothing more than your fourm smack. Naturally when it comes to the forum smack, a BoB pilot would know best. Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?
Star'mist	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:52:00 - [42] Edited by: Star''mist on 27/10/2006 09:52:08 Alt wups
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.27 10:00:00 - [43] Edited by: Seleene on 27/10/2006 10:01:19 Originally by: Sharcy Originally by: Dianabolic Those words were never uttered in the direction of Querious, please try again. ORLY? (You actually had me doubting my memory there for a sec, he even mentions you as the guy to speak to, heh...) Have you actually read that post or understand the events that were happening at the time? Exactly how many FIX do you see in the opening pages of that thread? Maybe the statement was directed toward someone else? EDIT - Additionally, do you know who Marv is? If you don't then stop right now. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.27 10:05:00 - [44] Quote: Your ignorance of the situation only makes you look more desperate to try and drive that wedge in. ROFL. I remember a FIX egg being killed...who ultimately dictates what happens in former FIX space? BOB. Yes, Fixionians, you are slaves. As much you like to think otherwise, you have no control of your space if bob says otherwise. Delude yourself all you want, the rest of the community knows very well how your were treated and got to your current situation.
Sharcy Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.27 10:28:00 - [45] Originally by: Seleene Have you actually read that post or understand the events that were happening at the time? Exactly how many FIX do you see in the opening pages of that thread? Maybe the statement was directed toward someone else? I was still a specatator back then, but yeah, I read and think I understand most of it. I'm not saying BoB conquered Querious from FIX and enslaved them that way (I read "in the direction of" as "with regards to", so there may be some confusion here). All I'm saying is BoB have staked their claim on Querious, rather definitively. To the general public, as one of which I'm speaking here, the current situation at the very least makes it appear that FIX must dance to BoB's tune in order to keep their home. I realize there are plenty of nuances that could be made, but until BoB and FIX state that Querious is under the sole control of FIX again (and the "We took it" statement retracted), most people will just take it at face value. --
Deamos Quintessential Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.27 10:32:00 - [46] Edited by: Deamos on 27/10/2006 10:32:41 double post Deleted -
Deamos Quintessential Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.27 10:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Gungankllr The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and the friend of my enemy is my enemy. From a "Joe Nobody" standpoint, I'd say that is one of the major motivations in this fight. In every conflict I've ever fought in, just putting "Friend to XXXX" has been enough to make you KOS. I have the unique perspective of having been in both FIX and BoB at different times in my somewhat lengthy Eve history, although not everyone will remember me. I know things change, when I was in BoB running in the northern territories, Xelas got poked at in gang/teamspeak for being completely worthless in fights unless they were sitting on a gate shooting people that came through. I've talked to one or two Xelas guys about it that were willing to have a chat and not smack me in local, and in their eyes BoB treats them as important equals. Like I said, things may have changed, as I haven't been in BoB for quite some time. As for FIX, I was on the other side of the fence when BoB invaded the first time, felt weird to shoot at friends, but hey, it's a game. My old corp Hadean Drive Yards left FIX a bit after the conflict pretty much winded down, and man... I don't think I've ever been prouder of an accomplishment when I found out from a buddy still in FIX that they were launching an outpost (I think it was their first?) When I heard BoB popped their egg, I thought for sure it would be World War III from now until eternity. But hey, things change. After everything that has happened over the last several months, it's hard for me reconcile feeling pity or sadness for people that choose to ally themselves with BoB when they get involved in fighting. A guy in Xelas made a post that rather moved me, about us taking their outpost. I can tell he cares as much about his space as we do. But his alliance chooses to be friends or allies with the strongest PVP force in Eve. I'm sorry you lost your outpost, but it's a casualty of war. You picked your side of the fence, which team you wanted to be on, and that's that. I don't think that anyone in ASCN wants to keep your outpost, although Serpentis NPC's would be a cool change. The bottom line is it opens up a second front to move into BoB space from, a second staging area. If you guys were neutral, or even hostile to BoB, I don't think I would be typing this post right now. This is a war, you're going to lose ships, stations and clones. Just like we are going to lose ships and clones. Okay, and maybe a station here or there. I hold no grudge against FIX and Xelas. From everything I've heard, BoB wants us gone. Dead. Destroyed. Minced. Chopped. Pureed. If I have to take a Xelas station to make things harder for them to deal with, then so be it. That's all I wanted to say about that. This post in no way should be associated as an official response to your question, for I am just "Joe Nobody" in ASCN. If you want an official response, wait for a HC or CEO or Alliance CEO to respond. Much props, Gungankllr. Truthfully, this is the belly of the beast. If you are unwilling to deal with this or gain strength from these points, then why the hell are you in alliance. This has gone beyond ratting for you isk. This is about honor and pride. This is all about who is willing to stand up and raise arms. Some have called Xelas lapdog & carebears. There are those who are willing to stand up and follow what they believe. No, it may not be newbie paradise...but combat makes you hard, and those who fight, and fight fair, I salute you. To the hunt...to the kill each and every one of you. Heres to good and the most horrible days to come. Deamos -
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 10:33:00 - [48] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 27/10/2006 10:01:19 Originally by: Sharcy Originally by: Dianabolic Those words were never uttered in the direction of Querious, please try again. ORLY? (You actually had me doubting my memory there for a sec, he even mentions you as the guy to speak to, heh...) Have you actually read that post or understand the events that were happening at the time? Exactly how many FIX do you see in the opening pages of that thread? Maybe the statement was directed toward someone else? EDIT - Additionally, do you know who Marv is? If you don't then stop right now. Ack! Totally beat me to it Seleene. /Slaps McMike upside the head for good measure. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 10:39:00 - [49] Originally by: Sharcy Originally by: Seleene Have you actually read that post or understand the events that were happening at the time? Exactly how many FIX do you see in the opening pages of that thread? Maybe the statement was directed toward someone else? I was still a specatator back then, but yeah, I read and think I understand most of it. I'm not saying BoB conquered Querious from FIX and enslaved them that way (I read "in the direction of" as "with regards to", so there may be some confusion here). All I'm saying is BoB have staked their claim on Querious, rather definitively. To the general public, as one of which I'm speaking here, the current situation at the very least makes it appear that FIX must dance to BoB's tune in order to keep their home. I realize there are plenty of nuances that could be made, but until BoB and FIX state that Querious is under the sole control of FIX again (and the "We took it" statement retracted), most people will just take it at face value. Thing is, for the most part we're perfectly fine with letting people keep their assumptions. FIX isn't remotely interested in seeing a 5 month old post retracted where BoB laid claim to the region of Querious. We didn't lose space due to BoB, we are afforded the ability to operate in Querious due to BoB. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 10:55:00 - [50] Originally by: McMike As much you like to think otherwise, you have no control of your space if bob says otherwise. Guess what. The same applies to every other alliance in EVE. If BoB decides that, say, Lotka Volterra should no longer have their space, in a few months, Lotka Volterra would probably no longer have their space! -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Sharcy Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Avernus Thing is, for the most part we're perfectly fine with letting people keep their assumptions. FIX isn't remotely interested in seeing a 5 month old post retracted where BoB laid claim to the region of Querious. We didn't lose space due to BoB, we are afforded the ability to operate in Querious due to BoB. I understand that and can't blame you for it. But this thread is about the references to FIX as being "slaves", "lapdogs" and what have you. Personally, I don't agree to those words but hey, the perception of "the friend of my enemy is my enemy" is a strong one for many. People will make their assumptions based on what they see until you give them reason to change their perception. You say you're perfectly fine with that but at the same time you react to this image and the terms used. The way I see it, it's in your own power to do something about it. --
HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Kyguard Lame. His post is far from this unlike you less than constructive post. For them that can't read the post propley I will make it easy. He is trying to say, ASCN, why are you provoking everyone who is Blue to BoB into joining the war. Try tell me this is not the case and I will point you to the Celest/fountain adventure and this has to be cyvok's actions and actions speek louder than words or are you saying that the alliance leader does not have control of his troops and a say in what the alliance does? (any of his HC speek for him as is democracy) Try again!
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:10:00 - [53] Don't get me wrong Sharcy, I know where your point of view comes from, and it is very common. FIX have been called people's lapdogs since before we even had the name FIX to go by. Name calling doesn't do much to us, we don't care for it, but public perception is only as powerful as you allow yourselves to make it. (At least in most circumstances and situations) When perception crosses over into us being targetted however, we tend to get a little ticked, and will take the time to correct assumptions people may have made. When it persists, people end up creating self-fulfilling prophecy when we hunt them down and add them to the trophy case. It certainly doesn't correct the perception, but we feel better about it after. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Deamos Quintessential Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:17:00 - [54] Honesty, I am interested and see where CELES was going with the neutral pilots bit. So....CELES with ASCN help now have Yoshimi... but what does this leave for the poor defenseless neutral? The whole idea of this conflict has switched from helping the little guy to striking at BoB and assisting ASCN in their little campaign. I know that ASCN isn't going to allow the so called innocent in docking at Yoshimi...So what gives CELES? You give up your little quest to become the lapdog of ASCN because you can't fight the big dog head on? Yes, I understand the whole enemy of my enemy is my friend bit, but why did you surrender Yoshimi to ASCN? Having a bit of the ol tucking the tail between your legs syndrome? -
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:18:00 - [55] Originally by: Avernus Don't get me wrong Sharcy, I know where your point of view comes from, and it is very common. FIX have been called people's lapdogs since before we even had the name FIX to go by. Name calling doesn't do much to us, we don't care for it, but public perception is only as powerful as you allow yourselves to make it. (At least in most circumstances and situations) When perception crosses over into us being targetted however, we tend to get a little ticked, and will take the time to correct assumptions people may have made. When it persists, people end up creating self-fulfilling prophecy when we hunt them down and add them to the trophy case. It certainly doesn't correct the perception, but we feel better about it after. That doesn't alter the fact that when you join FIX you get a BoB brand on your ass. You can hunt people wherever you want and have trophy cases but at the end of the day you have to return to the dog house and no amount of self delusion will change that.
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:24:00 - [56] Quote: We didn't lose space due to BoB, we are afforded the ability to operate in Querious due to BoB. OMG! I'm just a nobody but let me get this straight. FIX once held Querious as an independent alliance. Suddenly, your telling us that BOB has given you the ability to operate in Querious without losing space. That defies all logic. More accurately, they beat you down and you were forced to take their terms. Now, here you are pretending to be confused as to why your losing the odd ship. As this war is unfolding, it seems to me that FIX has two options. 1) Live in denial as slaves in Querious. Hey, they probably don't whip you but who really runs the show in Querious? Honestly. 2) Rise up and take back what is yours. I seriously doubt ASCN has anything against you (or Xelas) except for the fact that you chose to live under the flag of those that conquered you. You aid them even if via simple taxation.
Taz Devlin Minmatar Murini Ice Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:25:00 - [57] I have fought FIX on several occasions, and at no time have you managed to survive without your caretaker, so in all honesty, yes, you are lapdogs.
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:26:00 - [58] ASCN coming to Fountain to assist on the take down of the Xelas Outpost was perfect. ASCN took the chance by the nads, they gave BOB a choice to protect Xelas and divide the forces taking away strain from their own space, or watch one of their allies be destroyed. either way ASCN cannot lose the fountain excursion. Even if BOB "pay" a certain merc alliance to retake fountain they will still be using resources better spent elsewhere. They now also get a strong PVP corp on their side by answering our mails while others ignored them. like i said before, perfect and a great move by ASCN. d solo.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:27:00 - [59] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: McMike As much you like to think otherwise, you have no control of your space if bob says otherwise. Guess what. The same applies to every other alliance in EVE. If BoB decides that, say, Lotka Volterra should no longer have their space, in a few months, Lotka Volterra would probably no longer have their space! I think that DS just made an incredibly pertinent statement. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:34:00 - [60] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: McMike As much you like to think otherwise, you have no control of your space if bob says otherwise. Guess what. The same applies to every other alliance in EVE. If BoB decides that, say, Lotka Volterra should no longer have their space, in a few months, Lotka Volterra would probably no longer have their space! I think that DS just made an incredibly pertinent statement. The difference is LV and every other alliance in EVE owns there own stations. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]

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