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Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:44:00 - [61] Originally by: McMike Quote: 2) Rise up and take back what is yours. I seriously doubt ASCN has anything against you (or Xelas) except for the fact that you chose to live under the flag of those that conquered you. You aid them even if via simple taxation. BOB is one of the few entities that have been consistent with their policies and actions. That is somthing we value alot in FIX. They are stable and dependable as friends and as enemies. When BOB tells you their gonna bring it they do exactly that. WHen they say they got your back they do exactly that. Also I woukld like to point out when BOB came into Querious to take it. They werent shooting FIX matter of factly we were flying alongside them. Which IMO was a nice gesture they let us get in on some teeth kicking after ours had taken some tough hits. As far as BOB blowing up our outpost egg. It sucked but not to bad . That was the funnest day Ive ever had in Eve. We WTFPWN'd a CODA fleet then got WTFPWND by BOB. But we did it with class and style. LoL I lost 4 battleships 1 battlecruiser and 1 cruiser to BOB that day and it ROCKED. Bottom line is BOB are FIX's friends something we are proud to admit. IMO it will be that way till their is no one left to shoot then im sure it will be WTFBBQ days again.
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:45:00 - [62] I call it like I see it. Your viewpoint is yours and yours alone and I can respect it. But the thing is you can think whatever you want at the end of the line you are in Querious because BoB allow you to be there. As an alliance you are not the supreme authority in the space that you inhabit, you are no more than a buffer for BoB. If you are cool with that then great but don't come here and sell us complete crap about FIX being a stand alone alliance that does whatever it wants. You can delude yourself for as long as you want but I think the picture is pretty clear for the community.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:53:00 - [63] Originally by: Mauxir I call it like I see it. Your viewpoint is yours and yours alone and I can respect it. But the thing is you can think whatever you want at the end of the line you are in Querious because BoB allow you to be there. As an alliance you are not the supreme authority in the space that you inhabit, you are no more than a buffer for BoB. If you are cool with that then great but don't come here and sell us complete crap about FIX being a stand alone alliance that does whatever it wants. You can delude yourself for as long as you want but I think the picture is pretty clear for the community. Show me where I have said that we are a stand-alone alliance? Show me any Fixian who has said words to that effect over the last 5 months. We were a stand-alone alliance, and we managed to tick off half of Eve in the process. I think you and I look at what stand-alone means in different ways though. Are the coalition of LV -V- etc, stand-alone alliances vs RA? What you really want to know is does FIX have self-determination. Would FIX have sought out standings with ASCN, AXE, and POS when BoB was going to war with them if we didn't have self-determination? Would FIX hook up with IAC, and leave Querious for a week and a half if we were simply a meatshield buffer while BoB was out fighting in Delve and ASCN space? I'm tempted to insult your intelligence here, but I honestly don't think you've even taken the time to think about the facts. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:59:00 - [64] You don't get it do you. If they needed your help vs ASCN you can bet your ass you would be there helping them because they control the space you live in. They "own" you. Since they didn't need you, you were excused and had the permission to go play somewhere else. All I'm saying is that its hard to make a transition from a horse to a donkey and it seems to me you are still adjusting. Its no shame being a lapdog but it is a shame that you don't see it.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:10:00 - [65] Hey... what's the point in saying otherwise to you, or even providing examples? Feel free to argue the points you've made and I've already rebuffed. FIX has allies and friends, and we work together with them towards common goals. We go after our own goals when and how we like. Our allies provide us tremendous benefits the likes that haven't been available to us in the past... what the hell do others offer, other than breaking NAPs at a whim, uncertain futures, and unstable politics? We're not running a 50 man corp here fella, we're playing for higher stakes. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Deamos Quintessential Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:13:00 - [66] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Deamos Honesty, I am interested and see where CELES was going with the neutral pilots bit. So....CELES with ASCN help now have Yoshimi... but what does this leave for the poor defenseless neutral? The whole idea of this conflict has switched from helping the little guy to striking at BoB and assisting ASCN in their little campaign. I know that ASCN isn't going to allow the so called innocent in docking at Yoshimi...So what gives CELES? You give up your little quest to become the lapdog of ASCN because you can't fight the big dog head on? Yes, I understand the whole enemy of my enemy is my friend bit, but why did you surrender Yoshimi to ASCN? Having a bit of the ol tucking the tail between your legs syndrome? Thats a silly thing to say.. if anything wouldnt that make ASCN our lapdogs?. we ask for ASCNs help in taking down the POS network.. everyone knows that celes apoc have very little capital support. XELAS only exist in fountain and have an outpost in fountain because of the backing of BOB, thats why u are a lapdogs. celes apoc does what we want and exist thru pure PVP ability. ASCN get involved in a easy victory which celes apoc done all the hard work in, and we get rid of the hiding place of XS. thats win win for ASCN and celes apoc. ASCN wont be engaging corps with "friends of celes apoc" in the description.. we said we would defend these corps and we always do what we say. d solo. So Darth, lets say I add "Friends of Celes Apoc" into my bio, suddenly I become immune? I believe you have started to have a fault in whom decide friend from foe. If bio is all you rely on, then I hope to see you soon. There is no veldspar in fountain, and I hope to enjoy having all the moments of shoving scordite down your throat. -
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:13:00 - [67] Thats cool I agree to disagree. You traded in a little freedom for a little security. If you can live with that who am I to stop you. But that road doesnt lead to higher rewards unfortunately.
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:14:00 - [68] Quote: You're right btw... you are a nobody, you've fully demonstrated that you know frigging squat about when you are talking about FIX. Popping your new outpost was a sign of BOB love? Do you now pay taxes to BOB in station that were once yours? Who makes the final call on what goes on in former FIX space? Your slaves of BOB.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:17:00 - [69] Originally by: Avernus Mauxir, Perhaps the difference is that we have a completely different viewpoint of our relationship with BoB than the majority of Eve does? Think about it for a few minutes. Originally by: McMike Quote: We didn't lose space due to BoB, we are afforded the ability to operate in Querious due to BoB. OMG! I'm just a nobody but let me get this straight. FIX once held Querious as an independent alliance. Suddenly, your telling us that BOB has given you the ability to operate in Querious without losing space. That defies all logic. More accurately, they beat you down and you were forced to take their terms. Now, here you are pretending to be confused as to why your losing the odd ship. As this war is unfolding, it seems to me that FIX has two options. 1) Live in denial as slaves in Querious. Hey, they probably don't whip you but who really runs the show in Querious? Honestly. 2) Rise up and take back what is yours. I seriously doubt ASCN has anything against you (or Xelas) except for the fact that you chose to live under the flag of those that conquered you. You aid them even if via simple taxation. McMike, Your history of the events surrounding FIX's loss of Querious.... is pure ass. I'll break it down for you really quick here. FIX was fighting CODA: SA, Huzzah, Smash, Imperium, and a few others; over the course of months. We were down to 1 station, 9CG; half of FIX had just left and we had 450 pilots left. We were out of isk, out of ships, and getting ready to bail from 9CG to go rebuild elsewhere in preperation for our return. /queue BoB BoB comes in, and kicks the living crap out of CODA, who splinter and leave Querious faster than a politician from a burning *****house. FIX, didn't suddenly have a magical reserve of ships, isk or members; do you honestly think we were in a position to hold space at that point?? Seriously??? Now, what options does that leave FIX? - Say 'Mine! Gimmie back!' - Say 'You keep it, we're taking off to empire' - Say 'We accept your proposal' I'm not handing out details on the proposal, except that it should be common knowledge at this point that FIX found it to be extremely favorable. You're right btw... you are a nobody, you've fully demonstrated that you know frigging squat about when you are talking about FIX. This is a nice summary for the uninformed.. except where you called us cowards that splinter and ran etc... We gave a good fight to BoB there, and only reason we slowly failed to hold the ground, was failure at logistics level: getting new ships and replacements wasnt organized, the forces were loosing coherence etc. Anyway its a long story and off topic, but try not to make it look as if we ran like cowards, unless you want to start a flame fest, I am sure it can be arranged ------------------ Save Tranquility!
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:19:00 - [70] Originally by: Mauxir You don't get it do you. If they needed your help vs ASCN you can bet your ass you would be there helping them because they control the space you live in. They "own" you. Since they didn't need you, you were excused and had the permission to go play somewhere else. All I'm saying is that its hard to make a transition from a horse to a donkey and it seems to me you are still adjusting. Its no shame being a lapdog but it is a shame that you don't see it. translation: "Dear FIX, I understand you better than u understand yourself, I have decided that my opinion is obviously correct, so although you may think you actually make decisions, i really make them for you. I dont believe you have enough honour to help a friend if they actually needed it, rather i have formulated a 'good' reason. Please accept my logic as absolute law, further free thought will result in more forum bashing and insults. yours, Mauxir" >: )
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:23:00 - [71] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Mauxir You don't get it do you. If they needed your help vs ASCN you can bet your ass you would be there helping them because they control the space you live in. They "own" you. Since they didn't need you, you were excused and had the permission to go play somewhere else. All I'm saying is that its hard to make a transition from a horse to a donkey and it seems to me you are still adjusting. Its no shame being a lapdog but it is a shame that you don't see it. translation: "Dear FIX, I understand you better than u understand yourself, I have decided that my opinion is obviously correct, so although you may think you actually make decisions, i really make them for you. I dont believe you have enough honour to help a friend if they actually needed it, rather i have formulated a 'good' reason. Please accept my logic as absolute law, further free thought will result in more forum bashing and insults. yours, Mauxir" Copied that from the BoB forum squad instruction manual?
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:23:00 - [72] Originally by: McMike Quote: You're right btw... you are a nobody, you've fully demonstrated that you know frigging squat about when you are talking about FIX. Popping your new outpost was a sign of BOB love? Do you now pay taxes to BOB in station that were once yours? Who makes the final call on what goes on in former FIX space? Your slaves of BOB. So... every point you've tried to make thus far has been shot to pieces, yet you continue to call us slaves alongside asking your questions? Will look up your corp later. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:29:00 - [73] Audrea, you're right and I shouldn't have painted that picture of CODA. Was getting a little short-fused at that point with my explanations of history. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:32:00 - [74] Originally by: Mauxir Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Mauxir You don't get it do you. If they needed your help vs ASCN you can bet your ass you would be there helping them because they control the space you live in. They "own" you. Since they didn't need you, you were excused and had the permission to go play somewhere else. All I'm saying is that its hard to make a transition from a horse to a donkey and it seems to me you are still adjusting. Its no shame being a lapdog but it is a shame that you don't see it. translation: "Dear FIX, I understand you better than u understand yourself, I have decided that my opinion is obviously correct, so although you may think you actually make decisions, i really make them for you. I dont believe you have enough honour to help a friend if they actually needed it, rather i have formulated a 'good' reason. Please accept my logic as absolute law, further free thought will result in more forum bashing and insults. yours, Mauxir" Copied that from the BoB forum squad instruction manual? OMG NO!!! IT WAS THE Finite Horizon instruction manual.. i guess i picked up the wrong ones in my haste.. >: )
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:59:00 - [75] Edited by: Avernus on 27/10/2006 13:00:36 Turns out McMike has a bit of a mouth on him considering... Hegemonic Core CEO: McMikey ...Gonna assume that's you ofc. 53 Members Membership in - Alliance: Distant Star Alliance -D-S- 639 Members ~15 member corporations 2 systems with Sovereignty claiming POS in - MMUF-8 & - L-ASOO Based in Omist, in the ass end of Lotka Volterra space. 4 LV Outposts within 5 jumps of your base of operations. Now the alliance page hasn't been updated since 2006.07.14, but your illustrious corporation doesn't even seem to be on there? So you have the balls to come on here and take shots at my alliance, when your own alliance doesn't own it's own space, and lives in somebody elses? Why do I get the oddest feeling you're going to hear from fellow Alliance members today in regards to Eve-O forum posting habits? Sucks to be you. Edit: Have I ever mentioned that I love how CCP banned alt posting in this forum area? Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.27 13:41:00 - [76] Quote: Now the alliance page hasn't been updated since 2006.07.14, but your illustrious corporation doesn't even seem to be on there? So you have the balls to come on here and take shots at my alliance, when your own alliance doesn't own it's own space, and lives in somebody elses? Why do I get the oddest feeling you're going to hear from fellow Alliance members today in regards to Eve-O forum posting habits? Sucks to be you. LOL. I never said I owned any space. I live JUST LIKE YOU, in someone elses space. LV are in charge of Omist just as much as BOB are in charge of your old space. LV taxes us just like BOB taxes you. I just don't suffer from your delusions about reality. When RA comes or whom ever, I don't try to claim that I should somehow be exempt from the fighting and losses. That somehow I'm an innocent bystander even thought I clearly aid the real owners of the region. Btw, from my understanding, DSA was created by LV after LV took omist for corps to come to live in omist and make it a productive region. We signed up willingly. Its very different to FIX who was conquered and had little choice in their future.
Taz Devlin Minmatar Murini Ice Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.27 13:46:00 - [77] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: Taz Devlin I have fought FIX on several occasions, and at no time have you managed to survive without your caretaker, so in all honesty, yes, you are lapdogs. How's SA doing? ....or Coalition? oh.. right. Regardless of how any other entity is doing, you guys are lapdogs.
Scifa Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.27 13:47:00 - [78] Originally by: Taz Devlin Regardless of how any other entity is doing, you guys are lapdogs. Agreed.
Sheppard Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.27 13:49:00 - [79] So when does the peew peew peew start?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:03:00 - [80] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/10/2006 14:03:55 Originally by: Scifa Originally by: Taz Devlin Regardless of how any other entity is doing, you guys are lapdogs. Agreed. Wow, how bitter. Maybe we'd pay attention if these comments were made by someone who didn't lose the war they're commenting on. Come back and take Querious from us, then maybe we'll stop ignoring you. And no, BoB aint gonna stop you. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:04:00 - [81] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Scifa Originally by: Taz Devlin Regardless of how any other entity is doing, you guys are lapdogs. Agreed. Wow, how bitter. Maybe we'd pay attention if these comments were made by someone who didn't lose the war they're commenting on. Come back and take Querious from us, then maybe we'll stop ignoring you. Querious is not yours.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:05:00 - [82] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/10/2006 14:04:44 Originally by: Mauxir Querious is not yours. Then why do we have more sovereignty over it than everyone else in EVE combined? Oh wait, because its our region. Duh. Wow you people are dense. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Soyemia Minmatar Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:06:00 - [83] Bring it on, and im shour FIX will show how dead it is Proud member of fix. Hated on finnish channel. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:06:00 - [84] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/10/2006 14:05:38 Originally by: Mauxir Querious is not yours. Then why do we have more sovereignty over it than everyone else in EVE combined? Oh wait, because its our region. Duh. Wow you people are dense. This aint rocket science, folks. Then claim it on the map. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:07:00 - [85] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/10/2006 14:08:33 Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/10/2006 14:05:38 Originally by: Mauxir Querious is not yours. Then why do we have more sovereignty over it than everyone else in EVE combined? Oh wait, because its our region. Duh. Wow you people are dense. This aint rocket science, folks. Then claim it on the map. We do claim it on the map. Go into your game, hit F10, and turn on "all factions and alliances" in the sovereignty screen. It isn't that hard, folks -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:08:00 - [86] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/10/2006 14:05:38 Originally by: Mauxir Querious is not yours. Then why do we have more sovereignty over it than everyone else in EVE combined? Oh wait, because its our region. Duh. Wow you people are dense. This aint rocket science, folks. Then claim it on the map. We do claim it on the map. Go into your game, hit F10, and turn on "all factions and alliances" in the sovereignty screen. Or is that too hard? Have you been drinking your **** again?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:09:00 - [87] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/10/2006 14:10:16 Originally by: Mauxir Have you been drinking your **** again? This kind of comment is proof that you have no logical arguments left at all Give it up, or come to Querious in force and demonstrate that this region isn't ours. Words are meaningless. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:10:00 - [88] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mauxir Have you been drinking your **** again? This kind of comment is proof that you have no logical arguments left at all Yep just like you have no region left.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:11:00 - [89] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/10/2006 14:11:48 Originally by: Mauxir Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mauxir Have you been drinking your **** again? This kind of comment is proof that you have no logical arguments left at all Yep just like you have no region left. All talk, no action. Either shut up, or come to Querious and show that you're willing to back your words with action. We aren't Band of Brothers: we don't fight our wars on the forums. If you want to fight us, come and do so in-game. If you don't want to, stop posting smack. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:12:00 - [90] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mauxir Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mauxir Have you been drinking your **** again? This kind of comment is proof that you have no logical arguments left at all Yep just like you have no region left. All talk, no action. Either shut up, or come to Querious and show that you're willing to back your words with action. You could have used that fighting spirit before BoB bent you over and had their way with you.

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