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wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
39
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Posted - 2015.05.01 02:42:42 -
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i may have used the same fit as you. but your fit was in no way amazing or requiring outside-the-box thinking
fitting ships in eve is not difficult
pretty much the only case where a fit really impressed me was quake's thrasher. and yes i shamelessly copied it
and yes it is lame to only fly the same risk-averse ship over and over and over and nothing else |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1414
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Posted - 2015.05.01 02:47:05 -
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wilgotna wrote:i may have used the same fit as you. but your fit was in no way amazing or requiring outside-the-box thinking
fitting ships in eve is not difficult
pretty much the only case where a fit really impressed me was quake's thrasher. and yes i shamelessly copied it
and yes it is lame to only fly the same risk-averse ship over and over and over and nothing else
You are welcome, one day people will copy and thank you too. Its no big deal. No thanks necessary!
Pretty sure quake was not the author of the 10mn arty thrasher, but you dont seem in the mood for an education lol.
He was just cool because he used 10mn arty thrasher for a year and a half and i was lame because i use a maulus for a year and a half. Your consistency is your best feature :) |

wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
39
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Posted - 2015.05.01 03:09:39 -
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there are a few key differences between you and quake
1. he used the thrasher to fight 1v2 1v3 etc :versus: you are a puss
2. he is a skilled pilot :versus: you use snaked/linked kiting ships, hit orbit and then go afk
3. brawling with a thrasher :versus: you are a snaked/linked kiting puss
4. he fights other good pvpers :versus: you warp the instant you see anyone scary
5. anyone who is interested in eve pvp knows quake :versus: nobody knows or cares about you except to use you as an example of a puss like i do |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1414
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Posted - 2015.05.01 03:14:48 -
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wilgotna wrote:there are a few key differences between you and quake
1. he used the thrasher to fight 1v2 1v3 etc :versus: you are a puss
2. he is a skilled pilot :versus: you use snaked/linked kiting ships, hit orbit and then go afk
3. brawling with a thrasher :versus: you are a snaked/linked kiting puss
4. he fights other good pvpers :versus: you warp the instant you see anyone scary
5. anyone who is interested in eve pvp knows quake :versus: nobody knows or cares about you except to use you as an example of a puss like i do
You seem to care about me, quite a lot.
i didnt design the game, perhaps you should direct your hate towards ccp and see how that works out for you lol. |

wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
39
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Posted - 2015.05.01 03:19:02 -
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every single one of my game design criticisms is directed at ccp.
please dont confuse this with my criticisms of you as a pilot, which are directed at you |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1414
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Posted - 2015.05.01 03:25:31 -
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wilgotna wrote:every single one of my game design criticisms is directed at ccp.
please dont confuse this with my criticisms of you as a pilot, which are directed at you
You might want to try harder, because as it is, it seems you are just obsessed with me. Ive never said im a good solo pilot or better than anyone. However i do get a lot of insecure players thinking that i do say these things. Ill leave it there. |

wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
39
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Posted - 2015.05.01 03:30:46 -
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keep putting words in my mouth you sad little man
im not going to just let you spew your filth without responding, if that gives the illusion that im obsessed with you then thats just the way it has to be. by that logic you are equally obsessed with me. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1414
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Posted - 2015.05.01 03:33:07 -
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wilgotna wrote:keep putting words in my mouth you sad little man
im not going to just let you spew your filth without responding, if that gives the illusion that im obsessed with you then thats just the way it has to be. by that logic you are equally obsessed with me.
You dont have to prove my point, but if you insist. |

Dato Koppla
Konvict Cartel The Asylum.
808
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Posted - 2015.05.01 03:39:22 -
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The butthurt levels....it's over 9000! |

Krops Vont
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
68
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Posted - 2015.05.02 04:34:45 -
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I'll chip in my two isk. Bring more counter to speedy things. Those fancy blood raider ships recently got a web range bonus & some nice minmatar ships also. There were a few ships with web effectiveness...
Hell. I even decided to use a 100mn lach for these "impossible cancer ridden ships flying about."
If you cant counter it in any way possible, its broken. If its the widely used meta, there's bound to be a ship change as there always has been with CCP.
Edit: Best quote by my friend, "If everyone's kiting, no one is."
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
666
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Posted - 2015.05.02 06:15:03 -
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Krops Vont wrote:I'll chip in my two isk. Bring more counter to speedy things. Those fancy blood raider ships recently got a web range bonus & some nice minmatar ships also. There were a few ships with web effectiveness... Hell. I even decided to use a 100mn lach for these "impossible cancer ridden ships flying about." If you cant counter it in any way possible, its broken. If its the widely used meta, there's bound to be a ship change as there always has been with CCP. Edit: Best quote by my friend, "If everyone's kiting, no one is."
Is the Lachesis fit like this?
[Lachesis, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I True Sansha Warp Scrambler Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router I
It goes 5.5 cold /8.1 hot with an empty pod and no links(How do you add links to EFT?).
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3843
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Posted - 2015.05.02 06:21:30 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:(How do you add links to EFT?). Make a link character and a link fit in EFT.
Have both your ship's and the link ship's windows open in EFT.
On your ship's window, right click on the lower right, 'squad commander' or something.
Select both your link character and your dishonorable link ship.
Done!
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
603
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Posted - 2015.05.02 23:27:08 -
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wilgotna wrote:crosi's spew should be disregarded because the only thing hes concerned with is his own entertainment. everything he says is self serving.
nerfing the scram bonus isnt that great of a nerf imo
base speed needs to be reduced. and capacitor needs to be nuked, or a mid needs to be nuked
also we need to dicuss the t3 dessies.
as i already said they are pretty much a joke as the 10mn coercer and 10mn thrasher were already incredibly strong. the t3 dessies are just even stronger versions of them.
Have you actually tried fitting a 10mn AB to a t3d in Mosaic? To do so you really have to gimp your fit. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1416
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Posted - 2015.05.02 23:43:37 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:wilgotna wrote:crosi's spew should be disregarded because the only thing hes concerned with is his own entertainment. everything he says is self serving.
nerfing the scram bonus isnt that great of a nerf imo
base speed needs to be reduced. and capacitor needs to be nuked, or a mid needs to be nuked
also we need to dicuss the t3 dessies.
as i already said they are pretty much a joke as the 10mn coercer and 10mn thrasher were already incredibly strong. the t3 dessies are just even stronger versions of them. Have you actually tried fitting a 10mn AB to a t3d in Mosaic? To do so you really have to gimp your fit.
Why would he acknowledge changes to the ships he supposedly has a problem with, when in reality its just an insecurity driven personal vendetta lol. |

wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
39
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Posted - 2015.05.03 06:31:40 -
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Strange considering many top pvpers kill boards are full of 10mn svilpul losses |

Crystalline Entity
Outdated Host Productions Talos Coalition
12
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Posted - 2015.05.03 11:00:57 -
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Maulus........ Damps..........no kiters
just fyi, that's how we deal with them |

wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
39
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Posted - 2015.05.03 15:51:48 -
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once again you are suggesting a blob to deal with a solo kiter |

Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
603
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Posted - 2015.05.03 19:53:22 -
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wilgotna wrote:once again you are suggesting a blob to deal with a solo kiter
Once again you assume incorrectly that in an MMO game there is such a thing called "solo" pvp. |

wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
39
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Posted - 2015.05.04 06:44:19 -
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wow i guess i will remove the quake, prom, gonrin, bopoh, etc videos from my favorites list because solo doesnt exist
thanks for enlightening me  |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1416
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Posted - 2015.05.04 14:50:11 -
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I think the point is that solo should be hard, why else would anyone have any respect for it otherwise?
Soloers asking CCP to balance the game towards their play style so as to make it easier for them is kinda missing the point entirely. |
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greg01
The Church of Awesome Heiian Conglomerate
44
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:20:10 -
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If you want to copy anything that Crosi does get 10 accounts and run Stabbed Ventures for depleting. Having a lame over inflated ego is a must to go with each account. |

Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
605
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Posted - 2015.05.04 21:43:05 -
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If you are a solo pvper in this game and you don't know how to properly select your targets, then you deserve the lossmail. If you are solo pvping in a Comet, and you d-scan and see a Garmur waiting in the plex, and you still decide to warp in; then you deserve what you get. TARGET SELECTION.
If you are in a Garmur with High-grade Snakes and the person you are going after is in a plex in a Garmur, and there is no one else in system; then you might have a even fight. In that scenario, you may have a chance; but are you willing to risk an expensive ship and implants on that chance. This is the closest you are going to have to an even fight with a Garmur.
There is nothing wrong with the ship, this is people wanting a change to suit their needs/playstyle.
A Garmur and the T3Ds are about the only way a soloist can take on multiple people at once, and possibly come out on top. |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3866
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Posted - 2015.05.04 22:13:14 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:A Garmur and the T3Ds are about the only way a soloist can take on multiple people at once, and possibly come out on top. Wat?
You can take on multiple people with virtually any ship, though kitey ones usually make things easier.
How many you can kill depends on too many factors to list.
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wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
39
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Posted - 2015.05.05 01:12:34 -
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ya any ship can go 1 versus many. and i can also beat up multiple children at the same time.
thats not the point though
we are talking about how BAD CCP IS AT BALANCING THIS GAME
the garmur is op
the orthrus is ridiculously op with rlmls
the new t3ds are like a sick joke. why fly any dessie or t1 cruiser anymore when a t3d can rip all of them with ease?
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3866
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Posted - 2015.05.05 04:55:14 -
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wilgotna wrote:ya any ship can go 1 versus many. and i can also beat up multiple children at the same time.
thats not the point though
we are talking about how BAD CCP IS AT BALANCING THIS GAME
the garmur is op
the orthrus is ridiculously op with rlmls
the new t3ds are like a sick joke. why fly any assault frigate, dessie or t1 cruiser anymore when a t3d can rip all of them with ease? Log on and find out yourself.
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Dato Koppla
Konvict Cartel The Asylum.
818
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Posted - 2015.05.06 03:44:24 -
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Garmur and Orthrus pilots rejoice! The microwarpdrives changes means that Garmur imbalance will be propelled to entirely new levels! Thanks a bunch CCP cause what we needed was Garmurs to be even faster so that they are even more immune to everything. |

Krops Vont
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
69
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Posted - 2015.05.06 04:58:45 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Garmur and Orthrus pilots rejoice! The microwarpdrives changes means that Garmur imbalance will be propelled to entirely new levels! Thanks a bunch CCP cause what we needed was Garmurs to be even faster so that they are even more immune to everything.
You go about 49m/s faster in typical speedy ceptors/ ceptor like frigates with A-Type (best increased speed). I used a garmur in this case.
F*****g do your math, re work EFT/PYFA/Fitting tools, before you start bitching.
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Ahed Sten
0
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Posted - 2015.05.06 18:19:27 -
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Garmur is fine. Quit bitching, learn to fly like a big boy and stop being so bad.
I fly 20 mil Slicers all day long and can dance around fleets of other frigates/dessies for hours if need be. In comparison, the Garmur does less dps and goes about 1 km faster. The best thing about it is it's long point.
You wanna kill a Garmur? Fly a beam Slicer. Or a light missile Corm. Or any other ship that can reach out past 50km with decent tracking or missiles with more than 120 dps (Hint; It's not that hard.) Or fly a neut ship. Or a damp ship. Or a faster scram brawler. Or catch him in a slingshot. Or just catch him anyway cause most Garmur pilots just hurrdurr F1 + Orbit at 30.
Any kitey frig pilot in the game can kill destroyers or cruisers if the guy flying them is ****, so the argument that you're getting killed this way is invalid. Similarly, any noob can jump into a Garmur and die in a fire because he doesn't know how to properly fly a ship that does 10km/s with heat and links. While I have fond memories of killing destroyers and cruisers in my FOTM kitey shield Tristan when I was doing FW, It was just a kitey ship - Weak against the tactics and fits meant to counter kitey ships, and the only reason it worked for me is because I knew how to pick my targets. It's absolutely no different for the Garmur. It has the same fundamental weaknesses.
There is no ship in the game that can solo everything but you seem to think that the Garmur is an exception to that rule. It is not. While they are good, they are justifiably good given the investment that flying one properly takes - Much like any Daredevil or Dramiel, and guess what? 9 times out of 10 you avoid those things when you're flying solo as well.
Learn to fly and learn to pick your fights. Not every fight can be won in every ship. You should know this by now. |

wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
39
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Posted - 2015.05.07 00:19:50 -
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look dumbass, we already established that killing a garmur flown by a tard like crosi isnt difficult
what makes the garmur overpowered is the links + snakes COMBINED with its kit of bonuses and base speed
just because they are killable under certain circumstances doesnt negate the overwhelming evidence that says they are far and away the best frigate in the game
FURTHERMORE. this thread is about more than just the garmur
we are also complaining about the orthrus AND T3Ds |

Ahed Sten
3
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Posted - 2015.05.07 02:21:21 -
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You in particular resemble a child at the grocery store, stomping your feet, throwing a tantrum and refusing to leave or listen to reason until your parents give you that box of sugar crisp that you see on the shelf. There is no reason for you to be this angry.
Quote:What makes the garmur overpowered is the links + snakes COMBINED with its kit of bonuses and base speed.
The Garmur's speed is nothing to laugh at, but neither is it anything we haven't seen before. There are lots of ships in the game that can reach speeds sufficient enough to kill or evade Garmurs, just as there are lots of ships that can project their dps well enough to do the same.
You are aware that flying a Garmur at Heated/Linked speed is like riding a greased up bar of soap down a slip'n slide, right? This works to your advantage just as often as it does to theirs, because most pilots that fly Garmurs aren't good enough to manually pilot. Slingshotting a Garmur is easy in anything with decent agility that does more than a couple km/s. You should be able to slingshot and disengage if you can't slingshot and land a scram.
BTW, nothing I'm saying here is breaking news. Players much better than myself have been saying the exact same things for quite some time.
Get off the forums and go do some pvp. You haven't killed anything since before Christmas time two years ago. |
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