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SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:06:00 - [1] For the past 2-3 years the B(l)oB terror has been killing alliances like they were on wholesale, and no one has been even close to being able to stand up to them. All the forum cries for help, all the coalitions, all the fleets of ships sent to their deaths in vein. So now here we are and BoB is once again doing their thing, destroying a puppet alliance they once helped create, and saved on at least 1 occasion from destruction. This alliance ASCN is not like the rest though they are not silently folding to the pressure of the B(l)oB but they are trying to fight back. Where their skill is lacking, their spirit steps in and helps them hold on and fight another day. And while no one but them selves believes they can win, they are taking the fight to BoB and with some serious help they may just do what no one else in EvE has. So what does the rest of the EvE community do to help this alliance that refuses to go silently in to the night? Do they come and help? Do the mighty forces of the once proud power of the north G and Iron now known as D2 and Iron let bygones be bygones and come to help destroy those that have done it to them multiple times now? Do the mighty AAA with their massive skill and firepower unleash the power they posses on the people that have been tormenting them for ages? Does anyone besides a relentless group of once called pirate hunters raise a finger to help stick it to BoB? The sad answer is NO, and in this case NO is not even a strong enough word to cover their ignorance. Both of these superpowers go on the offensive alright they field their might put all their pixies in a row, and go to war against ASCN. Say what???????? Do they realize that once ASCN has lost they will be next? Do they understand that while they may not like ASCN and may want almost nothing more than to destroy them they undoubtedly despise BoB more? Do any of them really believe that ASCN is any sort of serious threat to them if ASCN wins? Have any of them ever heard the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Apparently BoB has traumatized the mighty forces of AAA, Iron, and D2 to the point that they are afraid to even attack them when they are at their weakest, and if thatÆs not the case then clueless 4tw comes to mind.
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:13:00 - [2] Nice post.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:16:00 - [3] hmm nice post tbh still lets kill ascn latter bob :) join me be cool
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:17:00 - [4] The only people who are going to be "next" are those that bring BoB grief, on and off the forum.
Ares Splinter AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:18:00 - [5] Finally, some who can see things the way they are. Most of these guys are just happy they aren't the ones being attacked by BoB. Its cowardice. Perhaps they would LIKE to be a BoB slave corp, then they would never have to stand on their own. "Life either shrinks or expands in proportion to ones courage."
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:18:00 - [6] You remember this is a game right? This isn't a war thats going to end in a few days or possibly a few weeks. Do you think BOB isn't having fun with it? Maybe D2/AAA want ASCN out of the way?
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:18:00 - [7] And BURN EDEN is where? That's right you're ganking miners in Pure Blind. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Guard'in Caldari Trade Consortium Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:18:00 - [8] Nice post, though good way to be flamed ^^ _______________________________________________ EVEnews TV - Bringing you the weeks news... Latest Episode: 3
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:19:00 - [9] Game, Set, Match. Satan. I Could not a agree more. AAA with thier "lets attack AXE". D2 with "lets have a 3 way". Iron with thier "lets kill risk". Alliance X with thier "any excuse not to risk it vrs bob". BoB have slept around and napped alliances for years just to **** others off and then inevitably turned round and slaped thier past allies about. At the pt where we have the chance to do it right back to bob when they are most vunerable. No1 actually does. G/IRON Would have gone for it. But who are they. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:21:00 - [10] Originally by: NATMav And BURN EDEN is where? That's right you're ganking miners in Pure Blind. Yeah cause our "good friends" ASCN and Celes are just begging for our help.
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:22:00 - [11] We would welcome the challenge, cause we're not afraid to lose some space if we get epic battles in return. --------------------
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:22:00 - [12] Wow, good post by a BE member.. what's the world coming to? I honestly would have thought D2 would be launching offensives into BoB space or something. And wtf AAA going after AXE.. kinda lame to all gang up on two alliances because BoB is going after them.. Ah well, loads of fun to go around I'm sure === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: NATMav And BURN EDEN is where? That's right you're ganking miners in Pure Blind. Yeah cause our "good friends" ASCN and Celes are just begging for our help. Wasn't that kind of the point of your post? Putting aside differences to attack a bigger threat? Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Bizarre We would welcome the challenge, cause we're not afraid to lose some space if we get epic battles in return. I'm sure you are, but it's up to "them" to bring it first . What I would really like to see is a lot territorial gains and losses with frequent map updates to reflect that, would so sweet. Get some fighting in Querious, Delve and wherever else. === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:26:00 - [15] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: NATMav And BURN EDEN is where? That's right you're ganking miners in Pure Blind. Yeah cause our "good friends" ASCN and Celes are just begging for our help. Wasn't that kind of the point of your post? Putting aside differences to attack a bigger threat? Alright then lets NAP and go to NOL?
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:29:00 - [16] Don't get me wrong. If IRON or D2 decided to have a go at BoB I'd be the first in line to go help them. I just can't recall BE ever pestering BoB space as they have every other region, and they are one of the few small groups that could have an impact. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:29:00 - [17] Actually, I can tell you what it is, really. If you look at the alliances and corps that live in and around BoB space, you see a lot of them are friends with BoB. They like the relationship they have with BoB. That's just in my few months of living out here. I spent the entire rest of my EVE life in the south/southeast and all I remember is everyone saying how much they hate AXE/ASCN (not just them, there's a lot of LV hate too...) and about how they make deals with then (usually about engagement policies in regions) that ASCN's membership doesn't follow. In my experience, ASCN and AXE treat those around them like crap and that's why everyone wants to gang up on them.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:36:00 - [18] Oh and just to add a comment about your last point Satan, BoB aren't at their weakest right now, they are just busy with ASCN and one can only fight at so many fronts === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Robbie Boozecruise Caldari Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:36:00 - [19] AAA attacking AXE is a bit lame you know that attacking AXE at any other time would get you involved with ASCN as well and you would have no chance of taking any space against ASCN & AXE so you wait until ASCN is in the biggest war to be in this game in the last year then you attack them.
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:37:00 - [20] And what after all allies allied themselfs to "delete" BoB....what next...??? Would be boring, wouldn't it? --
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Robbie Boozecruise AAA attacking AXE is a bit lame you know that attacking AXE at any other time would get you involved with ASCN as well and you would have no chance of taking any space against ASCN & AXE so you wait until ASCN is in the biggest war to be in this game in the last year then you attack them. We have and will do in the future. We go where there are targets, and unfortunatly except for Fix space BoB controlled areas are usualy very pilot less. We were in fix space about 2 months ago and brought out 5.4 bil worth of loot after our 2 week stay. Some may say well Fix isnt BoB, those people are just dumb though.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:40:00 - [22] Originally by: Kyguard Oh and just to add a comment about your last point Satan, BoB aren't at their weakest right now, they are just busy with ASCN and one can only fight at so many fronts I take it you are not a rocket scientist then.
Demonica II	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:41:00 - [23] Ah yes poor old ASCN, and their almost 5,000 man alliance being BLOBBED by the huge zerg alliance BoB with it's 1600 memebers, poor old ASCN are greatly out numbered.... wait, i may have gotten the last bit the wrong way around.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:42:00 - [24] Cowards die in shame ;) ----------------------------------------------
Galavet Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:42:00 - [25] This same crappy circular debate has been going on for over 2 years now. The same attempts to rally all of Eve against us, because the target being attacked is to damned lazy to get organized and defend itself. We fight for fun. We pick a target and put our backs into it, because.. Its fun. Nothing more. Last corp I expected to be moaning about this on the forums was Burn Eden tbh. Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:43:00 - [26] Is it not ironic that you call BoB "B(!)ob" when ASCN has about 5 times our numbers?
katz3 moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:45:00 - [27] Another Poswar ?! No, thanks.
Nvali Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:45:00 - [28] Burn Eden appear to be equal opportunity pesterers. They have gone to visit bob before. I believe that bob ran gate camps for multiple days straight to convince BE to leave. Interesting message Satan. Then again, we live in interesting times. ---
Shizzles Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:46:00 - [29] Well lets start. ASCn has been more of a problem to AAA then BOB. ASCN & AXe have continually attacked AAA trying to get them to leave the 10/10 complex in e3-? and have attacked them on the "corridor" route from stain to empire. So who should AAA be attack? Bob who hasn't attacked AAA directly or ASCN & Axe who has. As for D2 what do you expect. They tryed to destroy ASCN when they were called "G alliance" Now they have another chance to possably see it realized. Bob has attacked G /D2 befor and G/ D2 have attacked back. They know what their capable of.
Naldo Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:49:00 - [30] Why should BoB be focus for everyones attention? The game is bigger than BoB and don't let their forum squad make you think otherwise. The people who are not fighting them may not be fighting them because they have other priorities to deal with. Hell some may actually be scared, but what is the fascination with taking BoB whilst they are busy? I am glad IRON don't go after BoB because it means we can still have great fights with them. Call me greedy but I like having a good hostile alliance close to me. Makes things very interesting indeed.
fugazii Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:50:00 - [31] i agree that many alliances are dropping the ball, and not using this time to attack. but there is 1 flaw in your agruement that is an underlying point of your enitre agruement. the fact that your saying d2/iron are to scarred to fight bob because they were destroyed in the past by them is not true. lets start with iron, iron as the current form was not in existince when bob invaded the north, it was the coalition of deklein. which was destroyed by bob, but to compare iron and cod, is foolish as they are deffinately nothing alike....even if a few corps were members of both. onto g now, bob took control of fade, dek, venal, tenal, and brach. g lived in cloud ring, not only did g never lose thier space, but during the last month or so of bob being in the north, g had taken fade and dekllein from bob and control of bkg was switching back and forth and a daily basis. id hardly say g was destroyed by bob. also, not that they would switch sides or anything, but another alliance that were sucessfully able to stand up to them is....fix! it seems everyones forgot about when bob had first moved to south took over fountain space and declared war on fix. not gonna dig up old threads but clearly remember molle saying they would lose thier space. couple months later of not being able to, he revised his statement to "they have earned thier right to keep thier space". history is fun!
dailyhazard Caldari Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:51:00 - [32] Originally by: Xrak Is it not ironic that you call BoB "B(!)ob" when ASCN has about 5 times our numbers? Its about as ironic as when someone is called a "griefer" when 1 man wars a 100 man industrial corp, which i often see lectured around these forums. BoB know that ascn's main power is not within there fleets and pretty much always know they will win, purely because they have numbers but they have numbers with skillpoints. a 50 man fleet with everyone with t2 guns will win over a 75-100 man fleet with mosty t1 guns. I endorse the message of this post. But who seriously wants to get involved in something that with its current numbers already crashed the node the majority of the time?
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:52:00 - [33] Like I said when the BoB vs. ASCN war began. The sides would be BOB / D2 / -A- VS. ASCN / AXE / POS / IAC. This seems to be coming true. And as much as D2 and -A- say "no we would never align with BoB we hate BoB" Well it looks like you guys are on thier side or are so afraid of them that you help them either intentionally or not. I am willing to help AXE personally but that is a debate for Shin Ra and SATAN lol. Anyways come out and stop being afraid of BoB or admit your true loyalties. This is only my opinion and is the way I see things. I hope I am proven wrong but I dont think I will be. WildCat
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:56:00 - [34] Think BURN EDEN has this wrong assumption going that AAA and D2 are afraid of BoB - that's bullsh1t. - BH
Grimma Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Darko1107 Game, Set, Match. Satan. I Could not a agree more. AAA with thier "lets attack AXE". D2 with "lets have a 3 way". Iron with thier "lets kill risk". Alliance X with thier "any excuse not to risk it vrs bob". BoB have slept around and napped alliances for years just to **** others off and then inevitably turned round and slaped thier past allies about. At the pt where we have the chance to do it right back to bob when they are most vunerable. No1 actually does. G/IRON Would have gone for it. But who are they. ye bob naped all but all north are hostiles to each other now? your are napped with all in north atm so shsss.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:59:00 - [36] Originally by: fugazii i agree that many alliances are dropping the ball, and not using this time to attack. but there is 1 flaw in your agruement that is an underlying point of your enitre agruement. the fact that your saying d2/iron are to scarred to fight bob because they were destroyed in the past by them is not true. lets start with iron, iron as the current form was not in existince when bob invaded the north, it was the coalition of deklein. which was destroyed by bob, but to compare iron and cod, is foolish as they are deffinately nothing alike....even if a few corps were members of both. onto g now, bob took control of fade, dek, venal, tenal, and brach. g lived in cloud ring, not only did g never lose thier space, but during the last month or so of bob being in the north, g had taken fade and dekllein from bob and control of bkg was switching back and forth and a daily basis. id hardly say g was destroyed by bob. also, not that they would switch sides or anything, but another alliance that were sucessfully able to stand up to them is....fix! it seems everyones forgot about when bob had first moved to south took over fountain space and declared war on fix. not gonna dig up old threads but clearly remember molle saying they would lose thier space. couple months later of not being able to, he revised his statement to "they have earned thier right to keep thier space". history is fun! Fug, Unlike most people in EvE I focus on the person and not the alliance. Just because these people all joined new corps and made new alliances does not mean they are not the same people who BoB has bulldozed multiple times.
Mallick Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:00:00 - [37] You're right. It's kinda funny to see all the people that has been whining about BoB, now takes on ASCN instead.
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:00:00 - [38] Edited by: Xrak on 28/10/2006 19:00:15 Originally by: DHB WildCat Like I said when the BoB vs. ASCN war began. The sides would be BOB / D2 / -A- VS. ASCN / AXE / POS / IAC. This seems to be coming true. And as much as D2 and -A- say "no we would never align with BoB we hate BoB" Well it looks like you guys are on thier side or are so afraid of them that you help them either intentionally or not. I am willing to help AXE personally but that is a debate for Shin Ra and SATAN lol. Anyways come out and stop being afraid of BoB or admit your true loyalties. This is only my opinion and is the way I see things. I hope I am proven wrong but I dont think I will be. WildCat You put an AAA, BoB and D2 fleets in the same system, we are gonna fight. If AAA or D2 want to fight us they know where we are.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:01:00 - [39] Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight
dabster Minmatar dabster Corp	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:02:00 - [40] Originally by: Naldo Why should BoB be focus for everyones attention? Because they are evil, extremly arrogant and bullies ofocurse. But yea its a shame so many groups suffer from apparent lack of nads. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
nickky01 No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Robbie Boozecruise AAA attacking AXE is a bit lame you know that attacking AXE at any other time would get you involved with ASCN as well and you would have no chance of taking any space against ASCN & AXE so you wait until ASCN is in the biggest war to be in this game in the last year then you attack them. actually, if you read back on the forums (like, along time ago, back when AAA was attacking huzzah) you'll see a few posts where they say they will attack axe (dont even ask me to try and find them, and it wasn't like a big post, just like cruicfier or something saying "your next") and in terms of strategy, its the perfect time...how is it lame they didn't want to be blobbed by 400+ pilots...and why not wait till AXE's biggest ally was busy fighting another war? (of course i'm not really trying to defend AAA, it WAS a good time to attack, if it wasn't them i'm sure some other alliance would have made a push...i just dont understand stupid post's like this, its only going to lead to MORE flames, something this forum dosn't need) and besides, when ASCN and BoB or AXE and AAA or WHOEVER in the south is done fighting, what do you thinks going to happen? i bet right now there are people buidling up, when the war is over both sides will be hurt pretty hard, and pretty open to attack.
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:03:00 - [42] This thread lacks photoshopped screenshots tbh... >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:09:00 - [43] Intresting topic. First. Regarding "how lame aAa is. They are attacking AXE while ASCN is away". Let me remind you, that AXE is still 2 times bigger than aAa. They can field more people to the battlefield than we are. Please, show me where its unfair. Quote: Do the mighty AAA with their massive skill and firepower unleash the power they posses on the people that have been tormenting them for ages? Second. Hm, tormenting ? Where ? Quote: Do they realize that once ASCN has lost they will be next? Yes, and we are waiting for that. It will be very funny, since russians haven`t lost single war in EVE. Quote: Apparently BoB has traumatized the mighty forces of AAA, Iron, and D2 to the point that they are afraid to even attack them when they are at their weakest, and if that’s not the case then clueless 4tw comes to mind. Of course, i`m traumatized, because i`m afraid of death in computer game From your POV you can only see top of iceberg, main part is hidden under water. Will we attack BoB in future ? Yes, we will, because they claimed that they are best, and we like to kill best Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:10:00 - [44] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight And therin lies the problem.
Ria Sotori Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:11:00 - [45] Originally by: HostageTaker This thread lacks photoshopped screenshots tbh... I was thinking it needs more cowbell!!!
Wulfgard Minmatar The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:12:00 - [46] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight qft, well said!
fugazii Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:20:00 - [47] Originally by: SATAN Fug, Unlike most people in EvE I focus on the person and not the alliance. Just because these people all joined new corps and made new alliances does not mean they are not the same people who BoB has bulldozed multiple times. i dont know how you can say that about g when they nvr got "bulldozed". they had a very sucessful campaign against bob. while i understand that d2 isnt all g alliance, positions of importance are held by them still. while i understand your point about cod/iron, fact of the matter is what it was and what it is, is completely differant. i wouldnt say they are the best pvp'rs in the game but in thier old form they werent even considered pvp'rs. whereas now they do have seasoned vets and a lot more experianced in pvp.
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:23:00 - [48] Originally by: Ria Sotori Originally by: HostageTaker This thread lacks photoshopped screenshots tbh... I was thinking it needs more cowbell!!! Guess what!! I've got a fever!, and the only prescription is more cowbell!! Gotta have more cowbell baby! >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:23:00 - [49] G was formed by a corp formerly in PA Fugazi. But tbh, I don't see the point of this thread. It's nothign new that people lack the skills or will to gang up on us effectively. And there's really no need for most of Eve to either. They probably feel that theya re better off building up instead of getting broken down. Old blog
LeviUK Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:27:00 - [50] Originally by: dabster Originally by: Naldo Why should BoB be focus for everyones attention? Because they are evil, extremly arrogant and bullies ofocurse. But yea its a shame so many groups suffer from apparent lack of nads. <3 dabs. Says it how it is. -
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:29:00 - [51] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight Oh damn this is so true. Whether flying in a blob or attacking the weakest alliance, its because people prefer winning to fighting. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Bizarre We would welcome the challenge, cause we're not afraid to lose some space if we get epic battles in return. you won't get epic battles! The server doesn't allow it.everytime the system has more then 100 peeps in it and they jump on each other server crash which resolves in easy killing for the first 1 too get back in. Don't be a great man just be a man
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:31:00 - [53] You forgot to mention that we eat babies, live in our mom's basement, and have poor personal hygiene. .... Real men use blasters
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:33:00 - [54] Well, theres a couple of reasons why Outbreak isn't wading into the fight. Bandwagons suck. It would be a lot of work to kill BoB. Not fun PvP, but boring camping, things with warp bubbles and cyno fields and strontium. Going to town on BoB would mean setting a whole lot of entities to blue who make better targets. We havent been offered a pair of motherships. put all those cons against the lone pro: Killing BoB would be cool. For any alliance with assets to defend their would be an additional pro: Weakening BoB means its less likely that they will burn down my farmhouse and shag my livestock. Outbreak is an itinerant bunch of highwaymen so we don't care about protecting our assets. On a different note, it is my belief that the North's roadtrip is coming to an end, or at least being put on hold while they deal with pirates in their home.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:34:00 - [55] I just wanted to post after the uberness that is Marko. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Evil Thug Intresting topic. First. Regarding "how lame aAa is. They are attacking AXE while ASCN is away". Let me remind you, that AXE is still 2 times bigger than aAa. They can field more people to the battlefield than we are. Please, show me where its unfair. Quote: Do the mighty AAA with their massive skill and firepower unleash the power they posses on the people that have been tormenting them for ages? Second. Hm, tormenting ? Where ? Quote: Do they realize that once ASCN has lost they will be next? Yes, and we are waiting for that. It will be very funny, since russians haven`t lost single war in EVE. Quote: Apparently BoB has traumatized the mighty forces of AAA, Iron, and D2 to the point that they are afraid to even attack them when they are at their weakest, and if thatÆs not the case then clueless 4tw comes to mind. Of course, i`m traumatized, because i`m afraid of death in computer game From your POV you can only see top of iceberg, main part is hidden under water. Will we attack BoB in future ? Yes, we will, because they claimed that they are best, and we like to kill best Thug, I know what you guys are capable of, I have seen Heinky and Masta in action so its not a far stretch to see what several hundred of them can accomplish. What I dont know is why you would side with BoB on anything, you know full well that Axe/ASCN are no threat you have seen it first hand. They are not that kind of player they will come, fight win some loose some and go home. BoB on the other hand will NOT allow AAA to get too big, they will not allow you to build say a TITAN, they will make damn sure you never become a serious threat to them. And same goes for D2 and Iron. Why not pick up your war with Axe after, I am sure you can and will still get what you want then. But in the mean time you can make all the difference to defeat BoB. And dont tell me its not what you guys want in the end.
MrRogerz The Neighborhood	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Darko1107 Game, Set, Match. Satan. I Could not a agree more. AAA with thier "lets attack AXE". D2 with "lets have a 3 way". Iron with thier "lets kill risk". Alliance X with thier "any excuse not to risk it vrs bob". BoB have slept around and napped alliances for years just to **** others off and then inevitably turned round and slaped thier past allies about. At the pt where we have the chance to do it right back to bob when they are most vunerable. No1 actually does. G/IRON Would have gone for it. But who are they. Iron can't do anything when they are supposed to be dead. D2? They had trouble with the Goons...come on...
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:52:00 - [58] Originally by: Grimma Originally by: Darko1107 Game, Set, Match. Satan. I Could not a agree more. AAA with thier "lets attack AXE". D2 with "lets have a 3 way". Iron with thier "lets kill risk". Alliance X with thier "any excuse not to risk it vrs bob". BoB have slept around and napped alliances for years just to **** others off and then inevitably turned round and slaped thier past allies about. At the pt where we have the chance to do it right back to bob when they are most vunerable. No1 actually does. G/IRON Would have gone for it. But who are they. ye bob naped all but all north are hostiles to each other now? your are napped with all in north atm so shsss. Sorry but... What? When you learn to put forward decent arguements that put me in my place, then tell me to shh, until then, I'd advise you keep your trap firmly shut. Might help if you try to understand the point i was making in the first place aswell. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:53:00 - [59] Originally by: SATAN What I dont know is why you would side with BoB on anything, you know full well that Axe/ASCN are no threat you have seen it first hand. They are not that kind of player they will come, fight win some loose some and go home. BoB on the other hand will NOT allow AAA to get too big, they will not allow you to build say a TITAN, they will make damn sure you never become a serious threat to them. And same goes for D2 and Iron. Are you off trying to destroy BoB? No? Then why should we go off and save ASCN's ego?
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:55:00 - [60] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight QFT sadly. WWW.VETO-CORP.COM
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:55:00 - [61] Edited by: Nez Perces on 28/10/2006 19:56:37 .. I believe there is another reason as to why BoB doesn't get attacked en massse when they are at war with one party or another... I believe BoB are less hated than it would actually seem... yes there are a lot of flame wars to do with BoB and there are a lot of BoB haters out there.. who are quite loud. But the reality is that alliance leaders recognize BoB for what it is.... a powerful force that is more useful to EVE alive than bandwagoned. For this reason, alliances might prefer to look on as BoB pound somebody they really really hate and then take their chances with BoB in the future. Besides BoB at the end of the day are atm the template for unlimited success in a 0.0 environment as far as alliances are concerned. Bottom line is that I believe that there is always somebody out there that alliances hate more than BoB, despite what it looks like on the forums. I could be talking rubbish ofc.. but thats the conclusion I have reached. [edit: typo]
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:56:00 - [62] Originally by: Karina Harington Originally by: SATAN What I dont know is why you would side with BoB on anything, you know full well that Axe/ASCN are no threat you have seen it first hand. They are not that kind of player they will come, fight win some loose some and go home. BoB on the other hand will NOT allow AAA to get too big, they will not allow you to build say a TITAN, they will make damn sure you never become a serious threat to them. And same goes for D2 and Iron. Are you off trying to destroy BoB? No? Then why should we go off and save ASCN's ego? Do you want BoB dead or not? this is nothing to do with ASCN, tbh, apart from the fact they would fight them too
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:57:00 - [63] Originally by: MrRogerz Originally by: Darko1107 Game, Set, Match. Satan. I Could not a agree more. AAA with thier "lets attack AXE". D2 with "lets have a 3 way". Iron with thier "lets kill risk". Alliance X with thier "any excuse not to risk it vrs bob". BoB have slept around and napped alliances for years just to ** others off and then inevitably turned round and slaped thier past allies about. At the pt where we have the chance to do it right back to bob when they are most vunerable. No1 actually does. G/IRON Would have gone for it. But who are they. Iron can't do anything when they are supposed to be dead. D2? They had trouble with the Goons...come on... IRON are a ***** good alliance, dont even try and put them down. They have been going ages and they are now stronger than they have ever been before with a very decent capital ship fleet for thier size. We are far from dead and are killing more ships and POS per day than we ever have done before. D2 had problems with goonfleet before of lag foremost, and because of a mixup when STV left thier alliance. Whoever you are, you dont seem like 1 that should be commenting on anything like this anyway. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Myz Toyou eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:09:00 - [64] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh You forgot to mention that we eat babies, live in our mom's basement, and have poor personal hygiene. But you have also Models as girlfriends and I¦m really jealous of that fact
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:09:00 - [65] I find it strange that some BE member is saying the D2 are allying with BoB , recently while flying around Providence a D2 gang passed through and maybe it was just for a laugh ( I was the only non-D2/Friendly person there ) but from what I saw in local the reason D2 are down south is to make sure that neither ASCN or BoB gets the upper hand on eachother , I don't know why they'd not want this to happen if anyone could enlighten me ? As for nobody having the skills or balls or whatever to fight BoB , I know a certain corp cough Outbreak cough who would give any BoB fleet a run for their money , but some people couldn't give a rats about politics and are happy to have any alliance as a neightbour just aslong they are there to shoot at .
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:18:00 - [66] Well, i would never consider getting involved in this unless i received some significant payment as a group. The reason is that while BoB may be the movie-like supervillain of the EvE cluster, i have reasons to dislike ASCN equally. Most of the speculation going around is on the basis of "what if D2 attacked BoB". Well, let's take a good look at D2. You'll see that it's mainly comprised of ex-G and ex-TRUST. The dealings between G and ASCN are recent, so i guess we won't need to go into that. The ex-TRUST in D2 are comprised of some corps that also have an axe to grind with ASCN due to the ECP incident. Everyone knows that it's not too hard to suffer some dreadnought losses without an adequate system lockdown. In that sense, ASCN's role in the ECP incident was substantial and instrumental. The rest of ex-TRUST are some corps that were once in the same alliance as much of the ASCN leadership, namely Xetic. More importantly, they are the ones that were set to negative by ASCN shortly after ASCN leadership pulled their corps out of XF to secure a separate peace with the same enemy they had provoked into attacking in the first place. Where are these aggressors today? Lo and behold, their main cadre of leaders and planners is in BoB (ex-Atuk/Dice). I think that people in XT and 3-I are just enjoying the irony of ASCN endagered by the very same group that allowed them to exist in the first place a little too much to get involved. So from a purely historical/sentimental standpoint, D2 has no reason whatsoever to side with ASCN in this. It also makes some sense strategically. D2 have been engaged in bloody POS wars for months. It started in early June and practically lasted during the whole of summer (maybe more, i don't remember exactly when TCF withdrew from tribute). I was there during the start of the campaign against TCF in Venal, then in XZH against the goons too and shortly after i joined my current alliance D2 was still fighting another POS war against TCF in tribute. This does tend to put a strain on logistics, as well as on the morale of an alliance's members. This is a great game because it's complicated to a high extent, but this is also the reason that some aspects are considered the work you have to do in order to reap some rewards and do something fun later. In layman's terms, POS wars are not terribly exciting, but you need to secure your space and make some isk before you go rampant in HAC ganksquads for the hell of it. Judging by their recent escapades, that's exactly what they have been doing. Last but not least, they can balance their manpower between preparation for the next war (capitals,titans, stockpiling of resources) and raiding while sitting out the current conflict and waiting for those involved to lose some of their strength. This war only helps them solidify their position, as it puts two of their major long time enemies out of the immediate picture for a substantial amount of time and leaves them unchecked. A grunt will always look for fights, but leaders play this game more like a strategy game than a combat simulator (another testament to EvE's variety). I would do the same thing if i was in their leader's shoes
XxAngelxX Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:19:00 - [67] Yeah, we don't like BOB, but we don't like ASCN much either. We also dont like node crashes, lag, and people logging off in bubbles. Times change, and so does politics. Each alliance has their own reason for doing what they do, and I dont think it is your place to question others motivations when it is purely speculation. When the time comes for fighting, you can be damn sure IRON will.
Oreh Anavrin No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:20:00 - [68] While I agree 100%, your doing the same thing you accuse others of doing. ________________________________________ 12 inches of pure t2 cruise missile looove
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:21:00 - [69] to the OP: Don't worry, ASCN is hiring every merc that will accept the contract against us, they are getting some help in :)
Halada Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:31:00 - [70] A man not afraid to speak his mind, you have my respects sir. Nice post! My mining guide
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:32:00 - [71] I think the two or three times I've been on an op down south (30-60 man); the lag has been so horrendous that the op has been called off. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:34:00 - [72] What I see is a bunch of people saying o no big deal when BoB is done with ASCN they can try to attack us and we will put up a fight and show them what we are made of. You may be right, but in the end you will get steam rolled just like everyone else. Your best chance is to side with those that you may not like or hate for that matter. None of you have had a successful track record when dealing with BoB alone, and in the past it was ASCN who helped bob the most. What do you think is going to happen with all the hobbits when they loose? Some will be allowed to join BoB others will be forced to slave mine for BoB. In the end you will be worse off than you were before.
BlackSabbath Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:34:00 - [73] did i hear bob destroys alliances? more like they have others do all the fighting and declare them selfs winners on forum. Firefox 2.0 build in spell checker rules ================================ "i am only here to **** you off"
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:35:00 - [74] Originally by: Butter Dog Do you want BoB dead or not? No more or less than I'd like to see ASCN dead.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:36:00 - [75] Originally by: Karina Harington Originally by: Butter Dog Do you want BoB dead or not? No more or less than I'd like to see ASCN dead. Then you are short sighted. ASCN are no threat to you.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:49:00 - [76] Edited by: Nez Perces on 28/10/2006 20:51:40 Originally by: Butter Dog Then you are short sighted. ASCN are no threat to you. I think you are getting hung up on the fact that BoB's arrogance bothers you... an alliance not joining/creating an anti-BoB bandwagon has nothing to do with shortsightedness.. and infact it is this type of argument that is shortsighted. Lets pretend for a second that a huge bandwagon gets together and attacks BoB on several fronts and they get steamrollered and BoB loses its space. What happens then? The cycle of life will just continue.. and there will be somebody else to shoot, or BoB will give up their space and go on the rampage etc.. etc..the net effect of killing BoB will not actually have any real implications upon your future potential or security as an alliance. From a leadership point of view, all this talk of ultra long-term planning of looking to neutralise BoB for future purposes is a non-issue. Besides there isn't a single one of the big power blocks in EVE atm, that does not believe that it can stand up to BoB at anytime.. infact I would suggest that every one of the power blocks has put into place measures that would make sure they could stand up to BoB over a prolonged period of warfare. How big LV, D2 and ASCN have got.. is probably directly related to how strong a threat they percieve BoB to be. BoB is fighting ASCN.. and that is all there is to it... its simply a fight between two of the power blocks.. and probably the other 2 big power blocks will look on and correctly realise that it has no real net effect on them neither now or in the future, wether BoB is the victor or not.
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:05:00 - [77] His words are true, in fact if i didnt look closer it could have been made by myself. you are all S P I N E L E S S. d solo.
NeoTech Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:07:00 - [78] Edited by: NeoTech on 28/10/2006 21:08:08 Can someone explain why ASCN is so hated? And about the E3 system.. well, AAA and RA were the one attacking us. Not the other way around. I dont see why BoB hates us either, in fact, i dont really know why this damn war started. But now it has begun, and theres nothing to do about that. :) Cant wait to see whos next on the BoB list :D Good post btw, i was pretty amazed when i saw it was a BE member. :P I had to squeze my skin to make sure i was not dreaming. :) BTW... Celestial Apocalypse rules :D
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:10:00 - [79] Good post by the OP. And it's funny to see how those who have suffered some major setbacks and whined about BoB and their destructive influence () on Eve are now either bandwaggoning us or pretending that nothing is going on.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:26:00 - [80] Originally by: Moghydin And it's funny to see how those who have suffered some major setbacks and whined about BoB and their destructive influence () on Eve are now either bandwaggoning us or pretending that nothing is going on. The question that is begging to be asked here is the following one : Q : If BoB were attacking D2 right now, would ASCN feel the need to attack BoB and or join an anti-BoB bandwagon? I think the honest answer would be no, but ofc we can never know for sure. PS. The question could ofc be put to any of the other big power blocks and exchange the target for any alliance block but themselves. And I believe the honest answer would still be no.
Myz Toyou eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:39:00 - [81] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Moghydin And it's funny to see how those who have suffered some major setbacks and whined about BoB and their destructive influence () on Eve are now either bandwaggoning us or pretending that nothing is going on. The question that is begging to be asked here is the following one : Q : If BoB were attacking D2 right now, would ASCN feel the need to attack BoB and or join an anti-BoB bandwagon? I think the honest answer would be no, but ofc we can never know for sure. PS. The question could ofc be put to any of the other big power blocks and exchange the target for any alliance block but themselves. And I believe the honest answer would still be no. And here is exactly the difference between BOB and the other 3 "Superpowers" , BOB gives a ****, and I dont mean that as a flame, what the EVE community thinks. They hit G/IRON when they were in the south fighting us only to make sure they getting not a really issue to deal with. They had also no problem to side with us and others to do the EC thing. They crushed Goons before they became an "bigger" issue to deal with. The problem is not the low scruple of BOB to do only what is the best for BOB, the problem is that "we" others have to much scruple to do the same !
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:42:00 - [82] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: NATMav And BURN EDEN is where? That's right you're ganking miners in Pure Blind. Yeah cause our "good friends" ASCN and Celes are just begging for our help. Wasn't that kind of the point of your post? Putting aside differences to attack a bigger threat? Alright then lets NAP and go to NOL? Nothing the op suggested will ever happen and this is why. No one in eve understands the difference between an ally and a friend. Alliances in eve never can seem to put asaide petty differences to work towards a common goal. Pretty close to 100% of corps/alliances are more than willing to act against their best interest if it means putting someone to blue for a short time. Hell, they wouldnt even need to put each other to blue to do this. In fact it might be more fun that way. How cool would it be if everyone went to come kill bob and still keep each other at -10. A huge free for all would be awsome. But that will never happen. Believe me when I say I tried several times and never got anywhere. The only leader I talked to was willing to be even mildly cooperative was Annihilus. I'm not sure whether it comes from fear, vanity, or lack og long term vision, but getting along with alliances that were previously hostile to accomplish something in their own best interest is something people just arent willing to try. Sorry to use you as the example Shin. I know BE wouldnt necessarily benifit in any way from bobs destruction. I only quoted you to show an attitude that is pretty much universal in all corp/alliance leaders. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Dynast Knights of Red Mars	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:42:00 - [83] Edited by: Dynast on 28/10/2006 21:43:16 Originally by: NeoTech Edited by: NeoTech on 28/10/2006 21:08:08 Can someone explain why ASCN is so hated? It varies from party to party. ex-TRUST likely hate ASCN for helping BoB blob the hell out of their capital shipyards with (at peak) 600+ ships. These people are largely in D2 now. ex-Xetic likely hate ASCN for what went down when now-ASCN corps left Xetic; this was discussed earlier in the thread. Some of these people are in D2. Some ex-Tribal Souls likely hate ASCN for squashing them like a bug. No clue where these people are now. Various locals in the south likely hate ASCN for their high-handed conduct, such as ignoring rules of engagement in ISS station systems. And that's just off the top of my head.
Jenna Shame	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:46:00 - [84] BE Translator: ASCN is a giant cash cow and we dont' want our very easy ganks to go away and be replaced by a strong alliance, please go save them. /dnrtt
matty01 No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:46:00 - [85] good read tbh
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:51:00 - [86] Edited by: Karina Harington on 28/10/2006 21:50:51 Originally by: Butter Dog Then you are short sighted. ASCN are no threat to you. Meh, at least BoB bring a worthwhile fight. In the end, it's not our fault ASCN are fish in a barrel. With the numbers they have, they really should be able to put up a better fight.
NeoTech Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:57:00 - [87] Originally by: Dynast Edited by: Dynast on 28/10/2006 21:43:16 Originally by: NeoTech Edited by: NeoTech on 28/10/2006 21:08:08 Can someone explain why ASCN is so hated? It varies from party to party. ex-TRUST likely hate ASCN for helping BoB blob the hell out of their capital shipyards with (at peak) 600+ ships. These people are largely in D2 now. ex-Xetic likely hate ASCN for what went down when now-ASCN corps left Xetic; this was discussed earlier in the thread. Some of these people are in D2. Some ex-Tribal Souls likely hate ASCN for squashing them like a bug. No clue where these people are now. Various locals in the south likely hate ASCN for their high-handed conduct, such as ignoring rules of engagement in ISS station systems. And that's just off the top of my head. Thank You, cleared some of it up... however, these are only a few corps/alliances. But it seems that 50% of the people on this forum hates us. :) Also... what reason did BoB use to justify their attack on us? I have seen more than once that people says that we had roamed their space for months before the war started. Yet i recall that we were told to NOT attack BoB, even though they had roaming gangs in Paragon Soul against us? Its confusing. :) But its a great aspect of EvE, god i love this game!
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:05:00 - [88] Originally by: Karina Harington Edited by: Karina Harington on 28/10/2006 21:50:51 Originally by: Butter Dog Then you are short sighted. ASCN are no threat to you. Meh, at least BoB bring a worthwhile fight. In the end, it's not our fault ASCN are fish in a barrel. With the numbers they have, they really should be able to put up a better fight. The fact is they are putting up a fight, last time I checked they are the only alliance ever at war with bob to last this long. Not to mention actualy take a station off BoB even if for a short time. I dont know if you were in IRON when BoB attacked your space, but it was not pretty, ended very fast with your alliance running south for the winter, and your closest ally disbanding. PS. BoB is the bandwagon and dont forget it, while their numbers are small compared to ASCN they are composed of hardened fighters many of which use to hate everything about BoB. But were basicly beat down by the bandwagon and forced on board. BoB will continue to take your strong fighters/leaders every time they come and take your region it is their favorite form of recruitment.
Devoras2 Amarr Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:13:00 - [89] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Karina Harington Edited by: Karina Harington on 28/10/2006 21:50:51 Originally by: Butter Dog Then you are short sighted. ASCN are no threat to you. Meh, at least BoB bring a worthwhile fight. In the end, it's not our fault ASCN are fish in a barrel. With the numbers they have, they really should be able to put up a better fight. The fact is they are putting up a fight, last time I checked they are the only alliance ever at war with bob to last this long. Not to mention actualy take a station off BoB even if for a short time. I dont know if you were in IRON when BoB attacked your space, but it was not pretty, ended very fast with your alliance running south for the winter, and your closest ally disbanding. PS. BoB is the bandwagon and dont forget it, while their numbers are small compared to ASCN they are composed of hardened fighters many of which use to hate everything about BoB. But were basicly beat down by the bandwagon and forced on board. BoB will continue to take your strong fighters/leaders every time they come and take your region it is their favorite form of recruitment. This kinda gives me a creepy feeling from the Borg (Star Trek). You will be assimilated and added. If not you simply die and fade away. Dev It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Mankind mkII Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:14:00 - [90] Quote: The fact is they are putting up a fight, last time I checked they are the only alliance ever at war with bob to last this long. Not to mention actualy take a station off BoB even if for a short time. Hmmm ASCN did not take a BoB outpost ASCN did take a Xelas outpost.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:16:00 - [91] We were already fighting AXE before BOB attacked ASCN. We just made it official on the rums to make the drama happen. (and to get war decced by an alt corp). But it's a nice post SATAN. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:17:00 - [92] Edited by: Karina Harington on 28/10/2006 22:18:40 Originally by: SATAN The fact is they are putting up a fight, And losing record numbers. Quote: last time I checked they are the only alliance ever at war with bob to last this long. Not to mention actualy take a station off BoB even if for a short time. They took a station of Xelas at the cost of a large number of dreads. Not the best tactical decision of all time. Quote: I dont know if you were in IRON when BoB attacked your space, but it was not pretty, ended very fast with your alliance running south for the winter, and your closest ally disbanding. I wasn't in IRON, no, but wasn't the end result G/TRUST effectively merging and then proceding to kick out all hostiles in the north? Wow, what an awful outcome! Quote: PS. BoB is the bandwagon and dont forget it, while their numbers are small compared to ASCN they are composed of hardened fighters many of which use to hate everything about BoB. But were basicly beat down by the bandwagon and forced on board. BoB will continue to take your strong fighters/leaders every time they come and take your region it is their favorite form of recruitment. LOL, nobody's forced on board. Yes, BoB has a very effective fighting force, but that's because they don't let every Tom, **** and Harry on board. In the end, you're not trotting off to fight BoB, so your words ring a bit hollow to me.
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:17:00 - [93] Edited by: Xrak on 28/10/2006 22:17:41 Originally by: SATAN The fact is they are putting up a fight, last time I checked they are the only alliance ever at war with bob to last this long. Not to mention actualy take a station off BoB even if for a short time. I dont know if you were in IRON when BoB attacked your space, but it was not pretty, ended very fast with your alliance running south for the winter, and your closest ally disbanding. PS. BoB is the bandwagon and dont forget it, while their numbers are small compared to ASCN they are composed of hardened fighters many of which use to hate everything about BoB. But were basicly beat down by the bandwagon and forced on board. BoB will continue to take your strong fighters/leaders every time they come and take your region it is their favorite form of recruitment. Lol, beat down by the bandwagon and forced on board? Yea, thats right. The ceo's and/or directors see someone they want, and they call dibs on them. Which ever corp says they want them first evemail spams them, and threatens to attack them irl if they dont join. Once they are so scared that they join up, they begin to get assimlated into the BoB machine. Forced to listen to BoB propaganda on TS and read long forum posts on how to be great forum warriors. A few more "secret" steps involving Siddy, Tamora and some others 'tools' and the work is complete. Thank fully I was able to resist all the brainwashing and can tell the truth about this.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:23:00 - [94] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Karina Harington Edited by: Karina Harington on 28/10/2006 21:50:51 Originally by: Butter Dog Then you are short sighted. ASCN are no threat to you. Meh, at least BoB bring a worthwhile fight. In the end, it's not our fault ASCN are fish in a barrel. With the numbers they have, they really should be able to put up a better fight. The fact is they are putting up a fight, last time I checked they are the only alliance ever at war with bob to last this long. Not to mention actualy take a station off BoB even if for a short time. I dont know if you were in IRON when BoB attacked your space, but it was not pretty, ended very fast with your alliance running south for the winter, and your closest ally disbanding. PS. BoB is the bandwagon and dont forget it, while their numbers are small compared to ASCN they are composed of hardened fighters many of which use to hate everything about BoB. But were basicly beat down by the bandwagon and forced on board. BoB will continue to take your strong fighters/leaders every time they come and take your region it is their favorite form of recruitment. Erm, no. BoB attack dek taking JU, IRON then came back with G etc and kicked them out/they left (really dont care which it was). Then however many months later, BoB then attacked the EC outpost (Not iron space). Prior to that IRON were already breaking apart, the taking of EC didnt change that, afterall, why would we care about an outpost that wasnt even ours, admitedly, we tried to defend it and failed. But i knew BoB was never guna take it, and then keep it. If IRON hadnt of gone south, if it hadnt of kicked out those corps, if it hadnt have left dek for a while. It would not be here today. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Zak Kingsman A.W.M	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:23:00 - [95] Originally by: NeoTech Can someone explain why ASCN is so hated? I think you're making a mistake assuming that pvp requires some sort of ill will. Just because you are getting attacked doesn't mean the attackers hate you. Why did BoB attack you? You're the biggest kid on the block, the most likely to be able to put up a fight for a long time, and fighting is fun. So they attacked you. Forum drama can be fun too. Play the game, enjoy it, ***** up the forums, enjoy it the drama, play the game to its fullest. Just remember it IS a game and the intrigue/drama/fighting/industrial aspects of it are all what make it such a great and enthralling game. The 0.0 game is the only part that brings all these aspects together and while up until now your alliance as a whole has focused mainly on one portion of the 0.0 game (industrial). Its time to embrace the rest of it for what it is and have fun with it. I really hope you do, and I'm sure BoB really hopes you do too. Because as soon as you do you will truly be a force to reckon with. That in turn will give BoB the good fights they're looking for. The absolute worst thing you can do is take it personally. If you do, stress will build up and the alliance will fail. Good luck, have fun, touch gloves and come out fighting.
Kadriel The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:25:00 - [96] Originally by: NeoTech Edited by: NeoTech on 28/10/2006 21:08:08 And about the E3 system.. well, AAA and RA were the one attacking us. Not the other way around. :D oh contrare, AXE attacked COL in E3 when you were still blue to us. Then ASCN joined you. We ended up fighting you alone until RAT and SE(among others) joined us. -A- started after that. You guys brought this on yourselves. Ill be glad to see the "mighty" ASCN/AXE fall to our much smaller numbers. Enjoy what systems you have, b/c you wont have them much longer. We are the Collective. We are as one. Protection and prosperity through assistance and assimilation.
Prez21 coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:26:00 - [97] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight QFT, theres too many ppl out there looking for cheap easy kills than actualy looking for good fights, thats why pvp in eve is`currently on a downward spiral
XoPhyte Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:29:00 - [98] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight I do believe I may have found a new sig! Thanks Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight
Galimiy Portret Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:34:00 - [99] Clearly the best thread in this forum for a while. I set it to +7.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:37:00 - [100] Originally by: NeoTech And about the E3 system.. well, AAA and RA were the one attacking us. Not the other way around. Your leadership told you so ? AXE wanted to add e3-sdz complex to their possesion. They asked ASCN for help. ASCN send raiding groups into it, that didn`t help, we still ran plex 95% of time. Then ASCN + AXE started to try to kill our POSes in e3. Lost 9 capital ships, 3 freighters and more than 300 battleships over 3 weeks, then decided to go back. Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
RaptorX Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:50:00 - [101] Originally by: Karina Harington They took a station of Xelas at the cost of a large number of dreads. Not the best tactical decision of all time. I think you need to do your homework.
Kishti	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:52:00 - [102] I think that the essence of the post, so far unstated is this: Do you guys really want a superpower in the game? Look at the RL political situation in the world right now. Right now we have one superpower in the world, America. I can't speak for everyone of course, but I would be comfortable saying that a good many of the world's citizens have some sort of dislike of America atm. I would also feel comfortable going one step further to say that this dislike probably stems from 2 things: 1. American politicans are arrogant. 2. American politicans/businessmen use money and military might to coerce/force everyone else in the world to cede advantage to America at their own detriment. Do we/you want this in Eve? What are possible outcomes of this war? IMHO, if ASCN wins the war they will all shout "Hooray, LONG live ASCN, we win because we believe in what we have built together." They will then proceed to F*** off back to their space to continue the thing they really care about; building their own empire in their section of space. To be sure, they will be involved in future wars/battles/conflicts/politics. For the most part though, ASCN will worry about themselves and their empire. The ones who want to carebear will carebear, and the ones who want to fight will fight. IMHO, if BoB wins the war, they will all shout "RAWR, we told you going into this we had the biggest E-Peen and now we have proved it!!!11! You will now all bow down before us and acknowledge us as the supreme beings of the game and tremble before us." They will go around unchallenged, imposing their will and their version of the game on everyone they feel like imposing on. They will be the America of the game. IMHO this is the question being posed right now. Do we want one superpower in the game that is going to dominate the course of the game, or would it be better to have many smaller factions, all vying for power/territory/political clout? Since this war has begun, I have been reading the forums regularly. The tone of the discussion of the ASCN vs. BoB war leads me to my next question: Who wants to rack up a few killmails that have BoB as the victims? With all the "Rawr, tremble before us" posts of late, wouldn't it be gratifying to have some good killmails to show your grandchildren some day? "Look sonny, this is from the great war of '06 when me and 1777dude, Roxxorz and gang went and pwned BoB." Right now BoB is concentrated on one front, the one with ASCN. This will leave them vulnerable in much of their space. Form up a gang, go cause some trouble. Rack up some killmails and make some good money off of the sweet loot that the Bobbits drop. IMO, it would be awesome if the Eve community got BoB to put their E-Peen back in their pants and STFU for a while. -This thread represents my opinions and my opinions only and therefore should not be taken seriously by anybody
Tru'Bktia	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:52:00 - [103] Edited by: Tru''Bktia on 28/10/2006 22:52:12
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:55:00 - [104] Edited by: Rebellion on 28/10/2006 22:55:50 "We are the BoB, you will be assimilated or destroyed" SATAN, I know your intentions are good, but it's kind of hard to convince other people to do the fighting for you. As it is right now, the other alliances have nothing to gain by fighting BoB, and a lot to lose. Fact of the matter is that someone will have to be first in line in attacking BoB. Who wants that role? Furthermore, before alliances go off and cry death to BoB, I would like to offer this as an accurate description of what BoB appears to them: The Face of BoB
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:57:00 - [105] Edited by: Karina Harington on 28/10/2006 22:57:50 Originally by: RaptorX I think you need to do your homework. Oh yes, sorry, you lost them in your home turf. So, you took 1 Xelas outpost and have lost one of your own. I still think attacking Fountain was a bad tactical move, as it's changed nothing.
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:58:00 - [106] Originally by: Kishti I think that the essence of the post, so far unstated is this: Do you guys really want a superpower in the game? Look at the RL political situation in the world right now. Right now we have one superpower in the world, America. I can't speak for everyone of course, but I would be comfortable saying that a good many of the world's citizens have some sort of dislike of America atm. I would also feel comfortable going one step further to say that this dislike probably stems from 2 things: 1. American politicans are arrogant. 2. American politicans/businessmen use money and military might to coerce/force everyone else in the world to cede advantage to America at their own detriment. Do we/you want this in Eve? What are possible outcomes of this war? IMHO, if ASCN wins the war they will all shout "Hooray, LONG live ASCN, we win because we believe in what we have built together." They will then proceed to F*** off back to their space to continue the thing they really care about; building their own empire in their section of space. To be sure, they will be involved in future wars/battles/conflicts/politics. For the most part though, ASCN will worry about themselves and their empire. The ones who want to carebear will carebear, and the ones who want to fight will fight. IMHO, if BoB wins the war, they will all shout "RAWR, we told you going into this we had the biggest E-Peen and now we have proved it!!!11! You will now all bow down before us and acknowledge us as the supreme beings of the game and tremble before us." They will go around unchallenged, imposing their will and their version of the game on everyone they feel like imposing on. They will be the America of the game. IMHO this is the question being posed right now. Do we want one superpower in the game that is going to dominate the course of the game, or would it be better to have many smaller factions, all vying for power/territory/political clout? Since this war has begun, I have been reading the forums regularly. The tone of the discussion of the ASCN vs. BoB war leads me to my next question: Who wants to rack up a few killmails that have BoB as the victims? With all the "Rawr, tremble before us" posts of late, wouldn't it be gratifying to have some good killmails to show your grandchildren some day? "Look sonny, this is from the great war of '06 when me and 1777dude, Roxxorz and gang went and pwned BoB." Right now BoB is concentrated on one front, the one with ASCN. This will leave them vulnerable in much of their space. Form up a gang, go cause some trouble. Rack up some killmails and make some good money off of the sweet loot that the Bobbits drop. IMO, it would be awesome if the Eve community got BoB to put their E-Peen back in their pants and STFU for a while. -This thread represents my opinions and my opinions only and therefore should not be taken seriously by anybody This thread was before and will continue to be good after your post. please keep you opinion of real life events and entities out of it. Use ingame examples because tehre are plenty of them.
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:00:00 - [107] Originally by: Kishti They will then proceed to F*** off back to their space to continue the thing they really care about; building their own empire in their section of space. Will this movement involve a detour to EC- or perhaps C-J?
NeoTech Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:02:00 - [108] Originally by: Zak Kingsman Originally by: NeoTech Can someone explain why ASCN is so hated? I think you're making a mistake assuming that pvp requires some sort of ill will. Just because you are getting attacked doesn't mean the attackers hate you. I didn't really refere it to the PvP ingame, but more the smack on these forums. Some people here REALLY seems to literally hate us. :o Originally by: Evil Thug Your leadership told you so ? Wink Please keep them out of this, this was my own personal "belief". I just know that from the start of me joining this Alliance (no u cant use my employment history, since i traded my original char) we had been defending it. And i know that u were entering our boarders to get into other 10/10 complexes. Dont smack, it makes u look stupid. no offense, i'm just looking for REAL reasons.
Kishti	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:08:00 - [109] Originally by: Karina Harington Originally by: Kishti They will then proceed to F*** off back to their space to continue the thing they really care about; building their own empire in their section of space. Will this movement involve a detour to EC- or perhaps C-J? I speak for noone but myself, and even that I don't do very well :)
DeltaH Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:19:00 - [110] People post ASCN is not a threat. Twisting that into a reason to NOT attack them in 0.0 is ludicrous. (although people say that aren't a threat only now, they were mentioned as strongest alliance constantly for months) Why should people who don't PVP get the same benefit of 0.0 as those who fight? PVP costs a lot of ISK. A lot more isk than mining. Why get two PVP forces beating each other up when you have region after region full of 'threatless' targets soaking up the ISK? They should have to pay the risk that is the reward of 0.0 space like everyone else. I don't think AAA likes BoB, but I think they acknowledge BoB are fighters, and vice versa for BoB to AAA. -DeltaH ---
VarmentCong	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:36:00 - [111] Originally by: SATAN What I see is a bunch of people saying o no big deal when BoB is done with ASCN they can try to attack us and we will put up a fight and show them what we are made of. You may be right, but in the end you will get steam rolled just like everyone else. Your best chance is to side with those that you may not like or hate for that matter. None of you have had a successful track record when dealing with BoB alone, and in the past it was ASCN who helped bob the most. What do you think is going to happen with all the hobbits when they loose? Some will be allowed to join BoB others will be forced to slave mine for BoB. In the end you will be worse off than you were before. In my humble opinion your just a little freaked out by BOB /me start rallyingfor people to join HIS revolt DOWN WITH ISS!!! Identity witheld for various reasons.
VarmentCong	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:39:00 - [112] Originally by: DeltaH People post ASCN is not a threat. Twisting that into a reason to NOT attack them in 0.0 is ludicrous. (although people say that aren't a threat only now, they were mentioned as strongest alliance constantly for months) Why should people who don't PVP get the same benefit of 0.0 as those who fight? PVP costs a lot of ISK. A lot more isk than mining. Why get two PVP forces beating each other up when you have region after region full of 'threatless' targets soaking up the ISK? They should have to pay the risk that is the reward of 0.0 space like everyone else. I don't think AAA likes BoB, but I think they acknowledge BoB are fighters, and vice versa for BoB to AAA. -DeltaH ^^ this guy/gal(i dotn know!!!) knows what the hell he/she (still dotn know!!!) is talking about. And yes i do respect BOB that was an awsome series by HBO tbo
Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:42:00 - [113] Originally by: Demonica II Ah yes poor old ASCN, and their almost 5,000 man alliance being BLOBBED by the huge zerg alliance BoB with it's 1600 memebers, poor old ASCN are greatly out numbered.... wait, i may have gotten the last bit the wrong way around. There are not 5000 members in ASCN. Most people have multiple accounts and alts in their corps, I am one person counting as 5 for example. I would say its more like 1000 people tops with usually about 300-400 or so on at any one time spread across various regions and in empire.
Mankind mkII Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:48:00 - [114] Quote: There are not 5000 members in ASCN. Most people have multiple accounts and alts in their corps, I am one person counting as 5 for example. I would say its more like 1000 people tops with usually about 300-400 or so on at any one time spread across various regions and in empire. Yeah ok 1000 mains and nearly 4000 alts very much doubt this.
Kadriel The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:48:00 - [115] Originally by: DeltaH People post ASCN is not a threat. Twisting that into a reason to NOT attack them in 0.0 is ludicrous. (although people say that aren't a threat only now, they were mentioned as strongest alliance constantly for months) Why should people who don't PVP get the same benefit of 0.0 as those who fight? PVP costs a lot of ISK. A lot more isk than mining. Why get two PVP forces beating each other up when you have region after region full of 'threatless' targets soaking up the ISK? They should have to pay the risk that is the reward of 0.0 space like everyone else. I don't think AAA likes BoB, but I think they acknowledge BoB are fighters, and vice versa for BoB to AAA. -DeltaH /me applauds. Awesome post there DeltaH, and its not flaming. Bravo
Dracolich North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:03:00 - [116] Originally by: Rod Blaine They probably feel that theya re better off building up instead of getting broken down. Think this says it best. And what I concluded myself. Maybe BoB aren't as hated, as they are feared - after all. If it would have happened, it would have happened long ago. I, for one(other than SATAN), really don't comprehend that is hasn't.
Mahrin Skel Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:08:00 - [117] If peak alliance chat is running at 400, then the real number of pilots is probably somewhere between 2000 and 3000. But this is true of all alliances, real pilot count is usually about half of the official ranking count (the exception would be alliances with a "head tax", which pushes the alts off the rolls). --Dave
Ria Sotori Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:08:00 - [118] Originally by: Ascend Alt Originally by: Demonica II Ah yes poor old ASCN, and their almost 5,000 man alliance being BLOBBED by the huge zerg alliance BoB with it's 1600 memebers, poor old ASCN are greatly out numbered.... wait, i may have gotten the last bit the wrong way around. There are not 5000 members in ASCN. Most people have multiple accounts and alts in their corps, I am one person counting as 5 for example. I would say its more like 1000 people tops with usually about 300-400 or so on at any one time spread across various regions and in empire. So using that same logic theres only 320 ppl in Bob Of course we all are ambidexterous and can also play multiple accounts with our feet as well so it just seems like there more of us. And we all log in 24/7 and have our kickboxing supermodel girlfriends / hottie speedo wearing cabana boys feed us and care for us in our parents basement while were simultaneously playing quake and bemoaning our lack of any social life and everyone elses unique superiority while waiting for our next dose of ADD medication. In between switching to our GM/DEV accounts and using our headshot macro or Node Crasher 3000 to always beat you because no way can we simply just be a tad better at playing as a collective fighting force. Folks heres a shocker for you. Why would BoB attack ASCN - There Next Door - There Big - They might actually fight - Molle thru darts at a eve map - Blacklight got drunk and puked on that part of the map - Cyvok said there toilet paper was softer in there stations Take your pick. Just remember to breathe regularly and that you paying to pew pew and pretend to fly a space ship around being a good guy a bad guy or something in between and have fun. The minute you think its anything more than that your on a slippery slope to stressville and rapid burnout in this or any game. Contrary to popular belief YOU are not your character. You are simply a player in a game. You win go RAWR You lose go BAH Logout - Log back in and start again.
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:16:00 - [119] hmmm...its been a while since i saw a "unite against the ebil BOB threat" thread. makes a nice change from the RA ones. To my mind theres a simple reason the other major alliances of the galaxy dont come to the aid of ASCN, its not worth the effort. In their own ways both BOB & ASCN as entities are loathed by much of the EVE community for some reason or other. On the forums you'd think there is a genuine loathing between ASCN & BOB, & indeed it sometimes sounds that the major alliance players should be kept in seperate corners of the EVE meet events for fear of a fight beaking out. But I think the forum warriers are just alliance members with a flare for creative (well, often it isnt ) writing. Ingame, however, this war seems to be just player's having fun PvPing. ASCN's HC seem to have attempted to use it as an opertunity to humble BOB & have put their foot firmly, as it were, in it. But most BOB pilots are just fighting for the fun of it. After all their a PvP alliance. & i dont think, at this time, BOB are going to pursue the complete destruction of ASCN. It would mean alot more space to administer & more access points for hostiles. Given the current nature of this war, coupled with other conflicts in the galaxy at this point in time, the other major alliances in EVE have little to gain from attacking BOB. LV & RED have a prolonged & seemingly genuinely personal war. D2 & IRON, having seen how protracted & tedious a POS war with just a relatively small alliance can be, in my view arnt going to travel deep into hostile space just coz BOB are ebil. In both the North & East's case; there are hostiles at home that would only capitalise if the major alliances fully commited themselves to fighting BOB. However, if this war does take a turn & BOB pursue the territorial grab while ASCn begin to collapse; I think the other major alliances & indeed most of the 0.0 alliances of EVE will reevaluate the position. noone outside of BOB space wants a more powerfull BOB to have to live next to. In a perfect world I expect both alliances would grind themselves into extinction. But since this is unlikely to happen, id expect most would like to see the lesser -if more annoying- of two evils that is ASCN remain. I do doubt, however, that if the other major alliances get involved, it will be a coalition of BOB vs EVE. Instead id imagine it would be BoB vs ASCN vs Others, each side fighting the other two but focusing on one foe. wow that was a long post
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:17:00 - [120] Edited by: SATAN on 29/10/2006 00:19:58 Originally by: VarmentCong Originally by: SATAN What I see is a bunch of people saying o no big deal when BoB is done with ASCN they can try to attack us and we will put up a fight and show them what we are made of. You may be right, but in the end you will get steam rolled just like everyone else. Your best chance is to side with those that you may not like or hate for that matter. None of you have had a successful track record when dealing with BoB alone, and in the past it was ASCN who helped bob the most. What do you think is going to happen with all the hobbits when they loose? Some will be allowed to join BoB others will be forced to slave mine for BoB. In the end you will be worse off than you were before. In my humble opinion your just a little freaked out by BOB /me start rallyingfor people to join HIS revolt DOWN WITH ISS!!! Identity witheld for various reasons. First post with your main. Second there is no one that "freaks me out" been there done that, got the sticker for all of them. My only gripe with whats happening is that it goes on and on, but no one does anything about it. If you have not figured it out yet UDIE is on a whole other level of playing, we do what we like no one can do anything about it. In other words we already won, were just along for the ride to see who comes in second.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:31:00 - [121] I'd like to point out to those who are interested in the history of EVE that a lot of PVPers who used to be on the opposite side have now joined BOB (or at least, a side that is not anti-BOB). In fact, I believe that a lot of BOBs strength draws from the fact that they seem to collect friends from the ranks of their enemies. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:36:00 - [122] I wrote a big long post but TBH whats the point. If people would rather win a fight than have a good one, why are BoB, ASCN, AXE, AAA, LV, -V-, KOS, RA, GS, IMP, ER, ROADKILL, SMASH, IAC, -M-... etc etc All actively fighting an opponent? (Didn't even bother to included Pirate and Merc outfits as that all they do)
Caybn E'vangel Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:39:00 - [123] Originally by: SATAN My only gripe with whats happening is that it goes on and on, but no one does anything about it. Sounds to me like you're just worried because your endless chain of unscouted noobs in battleships is drying up. I don't want the world, I just want your half.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:49:00 - [124] Originally by: Caybn E'vangel Originally by: SATAN My only gripe with whats happening is that it goes on and on, but no one does anything about it. Sounds to me like you're just worried because your endless chain of unscouted noobs in battleships is drying up. That chain will still be there if the map should turn from purple to blu. Besides hes got a point, and so does Shamis. People like to join the winning team and then tell all their friends how cool they became :p Others prefer a challenge. - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:49:00 - [125] It is of more benefit to the large entities in EVE to let ASCN and BOB battle it out for as long as possible. A quick war in which one of the entities is wiped out, leaves one entity standing, stronger than they started the war. A long drawn out war weakens everyone involved, leaving them vulnerable to attack from the other superpowers. This was a comment I made long before the current war started, and I still believe it stands. It will be interesting to see if the entity that wins this fight (im trying to keep it objective) has the resources left to fight who ever attacks.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:49:00 - [126] Originally by: Caybn E'vangel Originally by: SATAN My only gripe with whats happening is that it goes on and on, but no one does anything about it. Sounds to me like you're just worried because your endless chain of unscouted noobs in battleships is drying up. So your calling everyone we have ever killed a noob?
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:51:00 - [127] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight Hence why BOB uses TS spies. They don't want a good fight they want to win. Hard to lose when you know every move your opponent makes as soon as they make it.
Caybn E'vangel Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:51:00 - [128] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Caybn E'vangel Originally by: SATAN My only gripe with whats happening is that it goes on and on, but no one does anything about it. Sounds to me like you're just worried because your endless chain of unscouted noobs in battleships is drying up. So your calling everyone we have ever killed a noob? That's not at all what I said, and you know it. Nice attempt at twisting my words into a much broader statement then it was tho. I don't want the world, I just want your half.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:56:00 - [129] Originally by: Caybn E'vangel Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Caybn E'vangel Originally by: SATAN My only gripe with whats happening is that it goes on and on, but no one does anything about it. Sounds to me like you're just worried because your endless chain of unscouted noobs in battleships is drying up. So your calling everyone we have ever killed a noob? That's not at all what I said, and you know it. Nice attempt at twisting my words into a much broader statement then it was tho. No, you made a vague attempt to imply all we do kill noobs. But its good to see you back up and admit thats clearly not the case.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:59:00 - [130] The game would be a lot less interesting without us wouldn't it Blog
Fedaykin Naib 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:02:00 - [131] Nice post! Just thought it was funny how much better these forums are when I skip over any post made by some character with Band Of Brothers under it. It kinda cuts through all the fat of the post and gets to the meat and certainly makes the reading quicker "Long Live the Fighters!"
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:04:00 - [132] For as much as this conflict interests me, the coming expansion of 8 more 0.0 regions is more compelling. We're gonna hve new vigin erritoy that has no npc stations, no instajumps and no entrenched entities. The land rush will be epic.
Caybn E'vangel Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:05:00 - [133] Since you obviously need it spelled out for you Shin Ra, I'll clarify my statement. You've had a grand old time farming ASCN battleships for a while now. We've killed over a thousand ASCN battleships in the last month. Our continued war against the same target you farm is beginning to thin out the herd you once had free range over. That is all. Twist away. I don't want the world, I just want your half.
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:12:00 - [134] Edited by: Snodgey2004 on 29/10/2006 01:12:41 Anyone else notice the almost pessimistic tone from some of the ASCN posts ? Being lazy I can't be bothered to go back and quote it , but the one about waiting to see who BoB goes after next , not exactly a " yAAAAAAr " attitude is it ,It's like your saying you know you'll lose , and the one saying how there aren't 5000 people in ASCN , it's almost like your looking for an excuse , for what I don't know - Just come on , I like BoB and dislike ASCN but I like reading the forums and if this war goes plop instead of a BANG !! I won't have anything to read .
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:12:00 - [135] Originally by: Caybn E'vangel Since you obviously need it spelled out for you Shin Ra, I'll clarify my statement. You've had a grand old time farming ASCN battleships for a while now. We've killed over a thousand ASCN battleships in the last month. Our continued war against the same target you farm is beginning to thin out the herd you once had free range over. That is all. Twist away. So we are trying to social engineer a bandwagon on bob so one of the many alliance we farm doesn't get destroyed? Do you usually win debates by saying the first thing that comes into your head or did you read this from the ASCN forums?
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:16:00 - [136] well, i must say i liken this thread to a chocolate cake, with **e as icing. Not like the usual **e cake, with chockolate icing (or no icing at all in a lot of cases). (ps if u dont get that, then must have the cognitive ability of a besser block and should not be on these forums). Why should any alliance/corp be scared of jumpin on the "anti-bob" (for the lack of a better term) bandwagon ?? I mean, for real, do you guys in bob (and i have a lot of respect for a lot of u) honestly believe that, should, hypotheticaly, lets say, BE and AAA and a few others jumped on board this movement with ascn, think that fighting this war would remain a viable option/achievable goal ???? This is how i see it, bob, great PvP alliance, infact, in fact one of the greatest pvp alliances, but you guys dont have the manpower to take AND successfully hold great magnitudes of space and or put up a sustainable war effort on more than one front, sorry guys, math is against you, BUT the one front you chose to pursue, well, quite frankly you guys excell, resaults speak for themselves. ASCN, we have the ability to take this to many fronts (numbers wise), but as things stand, due to balancing issues, u guys wipe the floor with us on the front u choose to pursue. NOW if things where balanced out a bit, and we did not have our people all over the place, attempting to (and in a few cases, succeding) take and hold many fronts and we pushed the same front you guys did, and we did so with the help of the people in my hypothetical example given above, we would quite simply wipe the floor with you, i think i would even go so far as to surmise, if ASCN ourselves, put in a single, continued effort, we could in most probability do it ourselves, but it would be the bloodiest and most drawn out fight in the history of eve. BoB you have made a lot of enemies, and iam sure we at ASCN have enemies, but dont think for one minute, your mighty war machine could sustain a conflict, where you guys where attacked on may fronts, by a united effort by both ascn and your enemies. SATAN, good post m8, iam sure u got my chocolate cake analogy (hope you did) BoB: the majority of you gents (and ladies), respect, havin a ball Advice to all: Never underestimate your opponent Oratu/bacci "keep it respectfull"
Devoras2 Amarr Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:17:00 - [137] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Caybn E'vangel Since you obviously need it spelled out for you Shin Ra, I'll clarify my statement. You've had a grand old time farming ASCN battleships for a while now. We've killed over a thousand ASCN battleships in the last month. Our continued war against the same target you farm is beginning to thin out the herd you once had free range over. That is all. Twist away. So we are trying to social engineer a bandwagon on bob so one of the many alliance we farm doesn't get destroyed? Do you usually win debates by saying the first thing that comes into your head or did you read this from the ASCN forums? It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Goloth Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:18:00 - [138] Originally by: killerco you won't get epic battles! The server doesn't allow it.everytime the system has more then 100 peeps in it and they jump on each other server crash which resolves in easy killing for the first 1 too get back in. I agree there killerco. The server just cant handle monstrous epic battles, although we all wish it could. I dream for the day of 500 pilots all going at it with little lag. Unfortunately we all just adapt to playing in horrid lag.
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:24:00 - [139] Edited by: Oratu on 29/10/2006 01:25:27 ok, ccp fix your forums please lol
Goloth Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:35:00 - [140] I personally would be embarrassed to be the guy who started this thread. Trying to convince every major alliance to team up against one, just cause they got a good thing going. So sad...
Eutectic Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:44:00 - [141] This thread is funny as all get out. But anyway as someone who's had dealings with both BoB and ASCN all I can say is one is not necessarily less or more evil than the other or even evil at all. Having them shooting at each other is in fact an ideal situation from most points. Oh and to answer another poster about why is ASCN loathed. It's pretty simple, Cyvok and his dealings. It's not jealousy either, it's that he's burned a lot of people/corps/alliances building ASCN to what it is.
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:48:00 - [142] Originally by: Goloth I personally would be embarrassed to be the guy who started this thread. Trying to convince every major alliance to team up against one, just cause they got a good thing going. So sad... That my friend, is because you do not undrestand that war is war, win at any cost, u think in rl wars are won by being nice ?? there is only one rule that should not be broken fighting this war, and that is dont break CCP's rules, everything else (ts spies and all that) are all ok in my opinion.. It is also the case that you find his opinion distastefull because, should it happen, you, being in the band of brothers would be on the recieving end of the repucussions that transpire.
Al Haquis Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:57:00 - [143] Originally by: Evil Thug Intresting topic. First. Regarding "how lame aAa is. They are attacking AXE while ASCN is away". Let me remind you, that AXE is still 2 times bigger than aAa. They can field more people to the battlefield than we are. Please, show me where its unfair. Quote: Do the mighty AAA with their massive skill and firepower unleash the power they posses on the people that have been tormenting them for ages? Second. Hm, tormenting ? Where ? Quote: Do they realize that once ASCN has lost they will be next? Yes, and we are waiting for that. It will be very funny, since russians haven`t lost single war in EVE. Quote: Apparently BoB has traumatized the mighty forces of AAA, Iron, and D2 to the point that they are afraid to even attack them when they are at their weakest, and if thatÆs not the case then clueless 4tw comes to mind. Of course, i`m traumatized, because i`m afraid of death in computer game From your POV you can only see top of iceberg, main part is hidden under water. Will we attack BoB in future ? Yes, we will, because they claimed that they are best, and we like to kill best E.T I think i actually love you Mucho Kudos And fighting AAA & RA is my dream, after a good war like that i could finally quit eve and call my self a good pvper. With love from Al Haquis
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:02:00 - [144] Edited by: Oratu on 29/10/2006 02:05:07 Edited by: Oratu on 29/10/2006 02:03:57 Edited by: Oratu on 29/10/2006 02:03:02 Originally by: Ab Initio It is of more benefit to the large entities in EVE to let ASCN and BOB battle it out for as long as possible. A quick war in which one of the entities is wiped out, leaves one entity standing, stronger than they started the war. A long drawn out war weakens everyone involved, leaving them vulnerable to attack from the other superpowers. This was a comment I made long before the current war started, and I still believe it stands. It will be interesting to see if the entity that wins this fight (im trying to keep it objective) has the resources left to fight who ever attacks. And this is an example of why i have respect for a few of you guys in bob. take heed both sides /signed Oratu "keep it respectfull"
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:05:00 - [145] Originally by: Oratu I mean, for real, do you guys in bob (and i have a lot of respect for a lot of u) honestly believe that, should, hypotheticaly, lets say, BE and AAA and a few others jumped on board this movement with ascn, think that fighting this war would remain a viable option/achievable goal ???? It's an argument that keeps being made, and yet in practical application has not gained you anything in this war. You've split forces and tried to attack Fountain, camp Delve (with a handful of merc corps) and fight in PS, and look where we are at in this war. If other entities joined in the fight, it would certainly make things more lively. It would still however be a viable and acheivable goal. You only need to look as far back as CODA for an example of our resolve.
Goloth Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:07:00 - [146] Originally by: Oratu Originally by: Goloth I personally would be embarrassed to be the guy who started this thread. Trying to convince every major alliance to team up against one, just cause they got a good thing going. So sad... That my friend, is because you do not undrestand that war is war, win at any cost, u think in rl wars are won by being nice ?? there is only one rule that should not be broken fighting this war, and that is dont break CCP's rules, everything else (ts spies and all that) are all ok in my opinion.. It is also the case that you find his opinion distastefull because, should it happen, you, being in the band of brothers would be on the recieving end of the repucussions that transpire. Well that right there is the difference between our two alliances. Your alliance, lets remember it has 3 times more members, can go about doing something that sad. Where i come from 5 guys beating down 1 guy is basically a bunch of pussies afraid to take a hit. There'd be no difference here.
Therem Harth DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:09:00 - [147] As an alliance created by betrayal and deceit, and regular practitioner of the same afterwards, including non-stop brainwashing of rank-and-file members of their own, ASCN doesn't deserve much help, and even those people who could have helped because they dislike BoB, are usually the same people ASCN have **ed off by virtue of their own political myopia or direct misdeeds. D2? Check who X-trading is and whether they would think of even lifting a finger to help CYVOK. And who brought the blobbing swarms to EC-P8R, helping some other three-letter alliance. IRON? They have been raiding Tenerifis when it belonged to XETIC, have been invaded by bored ASCN squads, and I would think they don't give a damn about ASCN, let alone about helping them. RA? They have been neutral to ASCN for a long, long time, save a few plex-related skirmishes, and perhaps they would listen to a polite diplomatic request (I'm theorizing here), but mighty ASCN decided that they better help LV against RA - enjoy the payback then. Nice try SATAN, but to rally people to help someone it is nice to make sure that someone haven't **ed in the boots of most of the people you are trying to rally. If the time of attack on BoB will come, it will come of it's own, ASCN has nothing to do with it. This is my personal opinion and doesn't reflect an official position of my corp or alliance, blah-blah, #include <stddisclaimer.h> --
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:14:00 - [148] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Oratu I mean, for real, do you guys in bob (and i have a lot of respect for a lot of u) honestly believe that, should, hypotheticaly, lets say, BE and AAA and a few others jumped on board this movement with ascn, think that fighting this war would remain a viable option/achievable goal ???? It's an argument that keeps being made, and yet in practical application has not gained you anything in this war. You've split forces and tried to attack Fountain, camp Delve (with a handful of merc corps) and fight in PS, and look where we are at in this war. If other entities joined in the fight, it would certainly make things more lively. It would still however be a viable and acheivable goal. You only need to look as far back as CODA for an example of our resolve. Sorry if that seemed like someone beating a dead horse, i dont read eve-o a lot, cause most of the time, is a johnson measureing contest i have no interest in. No iam unfamiliar with the events you speak of, resolve will get u a long way, but sooner or later, it comes down to numbers (not just people, but isk and all that aswell). As for where we are at the moment in the war and the events thus far, well lets just say i would have went about things differently and not split our forces, but alas, iam not HC or an FC or anyone of importance within my alliance, iam only a pawn (lol that flys a rook, sorry, it seemd funy at the time)...
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:26:00 - [149] Originally by: Oratu Sorry if that seemed like someone beating a dead horse, i dont read eve-o a lot, cause most of the time, is a johnson measureing contest i have no interest in. No iam unfamiliar with the events you speak of, resolve will get u a long way, but sooner or later, it comes down to numbers (not just people, but isk and all that aswell). As for where we are at the moment in the war and the events thus far, well lets just say i would have went about things differently and not split our forces, but alas, iam not HC or an FC or anyone of importance within my alliance, iam only a pawn (lol that flys a rook, sorry, it seemd funy at the time)... I won't go into detail (as I don't want to derail an interesting thread), but CODA was the name given to the 7 (from memory) alliances that ganged up to take Fix space. BoB joined in the fight on the side of fix, and ended the war rather abruptly. You only need to check the Alliance map to see the outcome. Moral of the story: Numbers are not the answer everyone seems to think they are.
laotse Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:40:00 - [150] can i wave here \o \o 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:52:00 - [151] Originally by: Goloth Originally by: Oratu Originally by: Goloth I personally would be embarrassed to be the guy who started this thread. Trying to convince every major alliance to team up against one, just cause they got a good thing going. So sad... That my friend, is because you do not undrestand that war is war, win at any cost, u think in rl wars are won by being nice ?? there is only one rule that should not be broken fighting this war, and that is dont break CCP's rules, everything else (ts spies and all that) are all ok in my opinion.. It is also the case that you find his opinion distastefull because, should it happen, you, being in the band of brothers would be on the recieving end of the repucussions that transpire. Well that right there is the difference between our two alliances. Your alliance, lets remember it has 3 times more members, can go about doing something that sad. Where i come from 5 guys beating down 1 guy is basically a bunch of pussies afraid to take a hit. There'd be no difference here. Sir i think u should prehaps re read what i wrote. Likening this war to a streetfight tells me a great deal about you and your understanding of the mechanics of warfare. in war there is a winner and a loser, u think i care how one wins provided those involve do not break the EULA ccp has set forth. ?? You think a leader of a nation cares how there country wins in rl war ??? no, dont be nieve and think that war is fair, its not. War sucks, but if it has to happen it has to happen, and if i was in charge, i would have every bob hating corp down in gq2 now with full docking rights at that station and that said if i where the leader of bob, i would have every ascn hating corp in gq2 tryin to stop it from happening. regards
M1NeR Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:53:00 - [152] Originally by: SATAN Apparently BoB has traumatized the mighty forces of AAA ... to the point that they are afraid to even attack them when they are at their weakest Orly? When&where? AAA as alliance never fought BoB yet. At all. -------
Darth Hammer Caldari Centurians	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:54:00 - [153] Scince my time in this game began I have followed the forums and the map for conflict.I have watched as BoB has gone after one alliance after another.From what I have seen BoB likes PvP, but it also seems they like to be the dominating factor on the server.To continue to be that factor they will keep going after alliances .If they defeat ASCN then I assume they will pick another target, because from what I have seen they don't sit idle for long periods of time.
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:58:00 - [154] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Oratu Sorry if that seemed like someone beating a dead horse, i dont read eve-o a lot, cause most of the time, is a johnson measureing contest i have no interest in. No iam unfamiliar with the events you speak of, resolve will get u a long way, but sooner or later, it comes down to numbers (not just people, but isk and all that aswell). As for where we are at the moment in the war and the events thus far, well lets just say i would have went about things differently and not split our forces, but alas, iam not HC or an FC or anyone of importance within my alliance, iam only a pawn (lol that flys a rook, sorry, it seemd funy at the time)... I won't go into detail (as I don't want to derail an interesting thread), but CODA was the name given to the 7 (from memory) alliances that ganged up to take Fix space. BoB joined in the fight on the side of fix, and ended the war rather abruptly. You only need to check the Alliance map to see the outcome. Moral of the story: Numbers are not the answer everyone seems to think they are. with regards to numbers, add to that a few other traits/attributes/reasouces ascn have i will respectfully agree to disagree :) as for everyone else , well enough posting for me, i have said what i have come to say so iam off for lunch. GL to all, see yas on the front at some stage i would imagine :)
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation	Posted - 2006.10.29 03:02:00 - [155] I've been saying the EXACT same thing for a long time. You're 100% correct, Satan. --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine
Chienka Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 03:05:00 - [156] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight Of course... most... but wars these days have turned into complete and utter lagfests, with lame node exploits, lag exploits, BM bombs and other weak and pathetic ways to boost your killboard K : D ratios (no this isnt a flamebait). Why dont we all just go join goonswarm / RA and get it all over with? Of course, theres always a few people who want good fights... but its so unbelieveably hard to get a good fight these days.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.29 03:52:00 - [157] Something I have been trying to understand. ASCN are called carebears and faulted because they spend alot of time mining and ratting to replace losses, or coming to battles in t1 frigates and cruisers. Meanwhile BOB seems to have an endless supply of resources at their disposal, none of them ever seem to need to rat or mine to replenish losses, neither do you see them showing up in T1 cruisers. Why the disparity? I thought ASCN was supposed to be the industrial powerhouse, they're the ones who are supposed to have an endless supply of Dreads and BS. Is BoB full of millionaire trust-fund college students that make all their isk by selling Game Time Cards and hence never need to mine or rat? I don't think so. I think most ASCN corps are capitalist style corps. The players buy equipment out of their own wallet, hence many are hesitant to undock in anything more expensive than a cruiser, because they are gonna need to mine/rat if they lose a BS. Meanwhile I have heard that BOB are communist style corps. They give everything to the corp, and the corp provides everything for the players, so they have high turnout for battles because the individual players aren't busy mining to pay for their next BS. This is all just my personal theory, I don't know if its true or not. Feel free to set me straight.
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.29 04:01:00 - [158] other alliances dont attack bob cuz they dont care. they dont have such clear aims as "winning eve". they cba with long campaigns, lags, node crashes, pos wars etc. ppl simply cant be arsed, theyd rather go gank something somewhere and let it be. also some r scared of bob. cuz bobs propaganda machine is strong so some ppl really beleive they r "unbeateble" etc...they r not aware that bob is alliance similar to many others with ppl who dislike each other in alliance, newbs, wannabes, pvpers, industrial players etc. main thing that differs bob from others is their command. imho best in eve for alliance warfare. they setup aim, and go for it, knowing what to do and when to do it. and they have disciplined ppl to make it come true. cuz bob isnt full of good pvpers. they have 50-100 good pvpers, couple hundred average ones and rest r nubs/wannabes. but still im pretty sure that even if bob commands takes goonfleet under command, they would make war machine. they have disciplined, active ppl who participate in all(most) corp ops no matter war or other kind. as lousia torres (sp?) wrote before some time, most of their members overviews r empty ecept name. they dont have size, distance, velocity, transversal etc. why ? cuz they dont need to think they have fc to do it for them. imho same like raiding in wow (full dps, heal, aoe heal commands etc :P), and no where close to pvp for me but i dislike anything bigger then 10vs10 fight anyway. point is they have their perception of game and they r going for it, doesnt matter others dont share that same pov. they have morale, numbers and great industry to make them able to do whatever they wanna do. wanna do - exactly what other alliances dont have, they dont wanna do anything, just let it be... thing which other alliances dont see is what will happen when each bob corp gets its own titan...which is planned to happen, thou dunno how close to happen it is. what will happen to every alliance fleets when cynos open and 5 doomsdevices shoot ? which fleets will survive that? and then just more and more of titans in their fleet...gg alliances...
FubarSF Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.29 04:22:00 - [159] nice post Don. The time to have "gang-banged" BoB was BEFORE they became entrenched in Delve. FA, NORAD, SA, CURSE, could not be bothered to unite and pew pew BoB. Didn't TWD try to get every1 to shoot BoB back then ? Ego's and stupid quables 4TL. Personally I don't care if ASCN dies nor BOB, for that matter. The game would be so boring without the "HAX/SPLOIT/GM/DEV's SPAM" threads Who knows, maybee when CCP can fix the lag issues, BoB (and SATAN) can get thier wish. Untill then things will stay the same.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.29 04:42:00 - [160] SATAN hits the nail on the head, tbh. There are many 'excuses' or short-sighted replies on this thread, trying to hide the truth. Now is a good time to kill BoB, such an opportunity will probably never show up again. After that, when BoB is dead (which will never happen as this thread shows) the 'ASCN haters' could turn against ASCN since they hate them so much. But it won't happen, taking BoB on is no small task, they have the top of the crop and you can't engage them if not with seasoned PvPers and fleet commanders. They scare the whole of EVE and very rare are the corporations/alliances willing to have a go at BoB. They know that if BoB attacks them, they'll leave sooner or later, so it's easy pretending 'politics are complicated matters' and avoid the fight of their lifetime all together. Killing BoB is a daunting task, but what a glory if an anti-BoB coalition would succeed! P.S.: you don't have to take part in POS wars to kill an alliance, space denial is as effective. When people can't go anywhere without being slaughtered, they give up. Such is human nature. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the backpipe, but how does not.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.29 04:57:00 - [161] Originally by: Cipher7 Meanwhile I have heard that BOB are communist style corps. Not all of them. Maybe Evolution most of all. Back on topic, I don't think it is strange that D2, Iron, AAA, RA or even LV aren't coming to ASCN's rescue. Too much history, too many bridges burned. Of course, you need to look at key corporations and the the people in them rather than the history of the alliance in order to fully understand the relationship. No, for good or ill, ASCN, AXE and POS stand alone. It was even a bit of a stretch for CELES to aid them...but I guess their dislike for BOB was stronger. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Chrony Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 05:21:00 - [162] Originally by: Cipher7 Meanwhile I have heard that BOB are communist style corps. They give everything to the corp, and the corp provides everything for the players, so they have high turnout for battles because the individual players aren't busy mining to pay for their next BS. As far as i know, Evolution is the only corp using a communistic system in BoB. I dont know how others do it, but I for my case have a huge reserve of T2 Cruiser (since that is what I like to fly) to fall back on if I lose one during combat. Another big factor are our brothers (and sisters) in BNC.E who provide us with very cheap ships. I have never been rich. Im too careless with ISK for that, but what I get I usually invest into good modules and the newest and best ships. To get back to the topic of the thread, it's been ages since i last saw a thread like that. I must admit that I dont know very much about politics, and they dont interest me very much either. But there are a few reasons why big alliances that could accomplish something against us dont do it. D2/IRON: They live in the north, have you seen how many jumps that is from NOL-M9? Sure they could do it, but it would leave their own space wide open for other hostiles to attack. LV/AAA: As far as I know they have their own enemys and their own war to fight. Do you really expect them to drop everything they are currently doing just because someone posted it on the forum?
Sharcy Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 07:37:00 - [163] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Maybe D2/AAA want ASCN out of the way? Honest question here: Why? ASCN is much less of a threat to these two than BoB is. Maybe not in terms of numbers and resources, but in long term goals, certainly. Only reason I can think of is that we're "no fun" in their eyes or sum'thin? --
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 08:04:00 - [164] The smart alliance would sit back and do nothing. Just watch and when the time is right kill the winner. Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
Nepereta DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 08:04:00 - [165] If I was a 3rd party I'd enjoy respite from the superpowers. Or try to make money from the war. Merc or Perhaps wholesale various weapons etc. Pretty sure both sides have obscene wallets and T2 BPO collections. I'd also be on the look out for any territory I could nibble off the giants while they are consumed by conflict. Originally by: CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 08:08:00 - [166] Originally by: Don ZOLA thing which other alliances dont see is what will happen when each bob corp gets its own titan...which is planned to happen, thou dunno how close to happen it is. what will happen to every alliance fleets when cynos open and 5 doomsdevices shoot ? which fleets will survive that? and then just more and more of titans in their fleet...gg alliances... ... you make a good case Don Zola. Yeah BoB keep getting stronger and stronger over time.. but it is relative as BoB gets stronger so do other entities get stronger. As BoB get richer so do other people in EVE get richer. There is a limit as to how strong BoB can get, relative to the rest of EVE. That limit is related to size. I believe BoB are very keen on efficiency and being an efficient entity. However, growing in size with their alliance model will have counter productive effects. BoB are currently the template for unlimited success in 0.0, however at one time so was FA... I suppose its amusing that some of the same people are involved in both... however.... if EVE continues to evolve and lasts another few years.... the cycle of life will continue and BoB in its current format may not necessarily remain. So getting hung up on BoB needing to die, to stop them getting completely unbeatable, may ring true for other games, but not for EVE.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 08:29:00 - [167] Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 08:30:14 ... just want to add something else to that.. EVE is a big enough game, that it could theoretically support 2 or 3 BoB's at the same time.. or to put in terms of the lifespan of EVE.... EVE may exist for a long enough timespan yet, that there is time for several iterations of BoB-like entities. BoB are 1500 pilots... the online amount of players in EVE at anyone time is at least 10 times that number. Looking at timescales, how long do we expect EVE to be around for? ... another 2 years, 5 years.. even more? In EVE-terms thats the equivalent of several hundred generations, evolution occurs at an accelerated rate in the EVE universe... as game mechanics change, the BoB model may find itself outdated and another entity may pick up the slack. Ofc all this is conjecture, but my point is that EVE is much much bigger than any one entity, even BoB.. consequently running around claiming that BoB need to die now before its too late, is severly underestimating EVE's scope.
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 08:30:00 - [168] Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight QFT, theres too many ppl out there looking for cheap easy kills than actualy looking for good fights, thats why pvp in eve is`currently on a downward spiral You know, I think it's a good fight when you're taking space from those who aren't competent enough to hold it. It only pushes everyone to get better. Survival of the fittest!
00tricky Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 08:31:00 - [169] This thread is giving me flashbacks. Are people copy and pasting from t¯¯ vs MC threads from several months back?
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 09:23:00 - [170] Oratu et al, the error you make in your assesments is assuming BoB are like any other alliance in the aspect that sitting in their space will stop them from attacking yours. We don't have many people carebearing in Delve or our other regions when we are at war. We do everything as a group, so if the group is down in GQ2, the 'carebears' are there too. Spitting your force and attacking/camping other poitns in our space does nothing unless you attack our POS. But if you attack our POS, the same happens that happened in H8-. Even if you'd succeed in taking all our stations, BoB would still live. We don't depend on any of our regions for survival, just for convenience and something extra. What we will do however, is relentlessly pursue those that came after us. And that is why noone is coming after us. Bob is not its regions, BoB is its pilots. As long as we've got those (and they're not going anywhere), there's not much an attack will achieve in the long term. On the other hand, there's a good risk of losing in the short term. Like I said, others prefer building up instead of being broken down. Old blog
Dell Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 09:54:00 - [171] Originally by: Everyone waaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaa help us waaaaaaaa waaaaaa i havent got the balls to fight bob by myself waaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaa boring, all i see in this thread is ASCN members who finally see that there leadership has been lieing to them and are now crying out for help, a few dead alliances still crying, and a member of BE who is trying to remove bob from the map, because he doesnt like us. its all good. BoB Killboard
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:08:00 - [172] Edited by: Oratu on 29/10/2006 10:09:19 Originally by: Rod Blaine Oratu et al, the error you make in your assesments is assuming BoB are like any other alliance in the aspect that sitting in their space will stop them from attacking yours. We don't have many people carebearing in Delve or our other regions when we are at war. We do everything as a group, so if the group is down in GQ2, the 'carebears' are there too. Spitting your force and attacking/camping other poitns in our space does nothing unless you attack our POS. But if you attack our POS, the same happens that happened in H8-. Even if you'd succeed in taking all our stations, BoB would still live. We don't depend on any of our regions for survival, just for convenience and something extra. What we will do however, is relentlessly pursue those that came after us. And that is why noone is coming after us. Bob is not its regions, BoB is its pilots. As long as we've got those (and they're not going anywhere), there's not much an attack will achieve in the long term. On the other hand, there's a good risk of losing in the short term. Like I said, others prefer building up instead of being broken down. Sorry where upon my statement did i make the acusation " sitting in their space will stop them from attacking yours." ?? And where upon any of my posts did i conclude that our current stratagy ASCN is adapting, is the best one ??? Answers to both are, i didnt in fact if u look closely at my post's you will se that i said if i had it my way, no ascn would be in fountain/delve, with exception to maybe a few behind the lines recon groups to attempt to disrupt supply runs ect. U make the accusation that i surmise bob is a region, i make no such judgements anywhere, iam not stupid.... H8 incident: well i was on my way there, by the time it went down, well yeah it was to late, not that me being there would have changed the outcome, but my absense there only hinders me in making comments about what actually happend, becuase such comments would be based on hear say of third parties. will sya this tho, there was some clear mistakes made, and to assume they will be made again is extremly foolish of you... please ensure that you actually read what i say.. (please note there is a difference between reading and understanding) regards
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:18:00 - [173] p.s Off topic, ccp please fire your web designer (well whoever is responsible for these forums anyways) there is more bugs in them then there is bugs in eve.. (no this is not a dig, mearly a comparitive analysis of the current situations :) )
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:30:00 - [174] Edited by: Kaeten on 29/10/2006 10:33:37 Originally by: SATAN For the past 2-3 years the B(l)oB terror has been killing alliances like they were on wholesale, and no one has been even close to being able to stand up to them. All the forum cries for help, all the coalitions, all the fleets of ships sent to their deaths in vein. So now here we are and BoB is once again doing their thing, destroying a puppet alliance they once helped create, and saved on at least 1 occasion from destruction. This alliance ASCN is not like the rest though they are not silently folding to the pressure of the B(l)oB but they are trying to fight back. Where their skill is lacking, their spirit steps in and helps them hold on and fight another day. And while no one but them selves believes they can win, they are taking the fight to BoB and with some serious help they may just do what no one else in EvE has. So what does the rest of the EvE community do to help this alliance that refuses to go silently in to the night? Do they come and help? Do the mighty forces of the once proud power of the north G and Iron now known as D2 and Iron let bygones be bygones and come to help destroy those that have done it to them multiple times now? Do the mighty AAA with their massive skill and firepower unleash the power they posses on the people that have been tormenting them for ages? Does anyone besides a relentless group of once called pirate hunters raise a finger to help stick it to BoB? The sad answer is NO, and in this case NO is not even a strong enough word to cover their ignorance. Both of these superpowers go on the offensive alright they field their might put all their pixies in a row, and go to war against ASCN. Say what???????? Do they realize that once ASCN has lost they will be next? Do they understand that while they may not like ASCN and may want almost nothing more than to destroy them they undoubtedly despise BoB more? Do any of them really believe that ASCN is any sort of serious threat to them if ASCN wins? Have any of them ever heard the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Apparently BoB has traumatized the mighty forces of AAA, Iron, and D2 to the point that they are afraid to even attack them when they are at their weakest, and if thatÆs not the case then clueless 4tw comes to mind. why don't you go help ascn then BoB aren't gods, they are players liek the rest of us, however every single alliance lack what bob have,discipline, leadership and determination and while doing all of this they are having "fun". Even when bob loose a fleet fight, they still have a laugh and thats where the reswt of the alliances fail. They thin kabout their own interest (pilots) and don't care about anyone else because they are "afraid" to loose stuff. It's sad tbh... Euro 0.0 Gang PvP Recruitment
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:35:00 - [175] In fact Oratu, Rod was not trying to take down your post point by point, his post might have been directly related to yours from the beginning, as he started with the fact that we move, act and fight as a group, but then he strayed a bit to explain what it meant. I don't think the rest was aimed against your statement in particular. Relax, and enjoy a bit of relatively clean thread :) You missed the H8 incident, so did I, but there will be plenty of opportunities to enjoy this lil' war further ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:58:00 - [176] Yeah dont get me wrong, iam not gettin all upset, iam far from being upset, but the way rod wrote what he did, did come accross as if i made some unfounded accusations :) I mean no offence to you personaly rod... :) iam sort of a bit to old for the whole "my team is better than yours" thing lol, and so i try to remain as unbiased as i can without being accused of being traitor by my fmaily at ascn. (not that they have done so thus far) yeah bummer i missed h8, but yeah will be plenty more "h8" battles....
Hennry Fromer Gallente radiated space gerbils	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:35:00 - [177] Originally by: Snodgey2004 I find it strange that some BE member is saying the D2 are allying with BoB , recently while flying around Providence a D2 gang passed through and maybe it was just for a laugh ( I was the only non-D2/Friendly person there ) but from what I saw in local the reason D2 are down south is to make sure that neither ASCN or BoB gets the upper hand on eachother , I don't know why they'd not want this to happen if anyone could enlighten me ? Because either alliance dying would be a loss for the game, they each have a lot of experianced players and each are at the pinacle of thier paths.
Itzena Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:56:00 - [178] Hypothetical question for D2/IRON/whoever: If, however many months down the line, ASCN sue for peace, sign up to be yet another BoB peon state like FIX, and funnel x% of their industrial powerbase to their masters; and then BoB turns around and says "OK. You're next" to you... ...Will you remember this thread, or claim that you never saw it coming? -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be.
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:59:00 - [179] Originally by: Shin Ra So we are trying to social engineer a bandwagon on bob so one of the many alliance we farm doesn't get destroyed? The primary ingredient for sucessful social engineering Shin Ra is the significance of the engineer. But i guess trying never hurt anyone. Pain is meant to be felt
Kai'Lee Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:12:00 - [180] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Well, i would never consider getting involved in this unless i received some significant payment as a group. The reason is that while BoB may be the movie-like supervillain of the EvE cluster, i have reasons to dislike ASCN equally. Most of the speculation going around is on the basis of "what if D2 attacked BoB". Well, let's take a good look at D2. You'll see that it's mainly comprised of ex-G and ex-TRUST. The dealings between G and ASCN are recent, so i guess we won't need to go into that. The ex-TRUST in D2 are comprised of some corps that also have an axe to grind with ASCN due to the ECP incident. Everyone knows that it's not too hard to suffer some dreadnought losses without an adequate system lockdown. In that sense, ASCN's role in the ECP incident was substantial and instrumental. The rest of ex-TRUST are some corps that were once in the same alliance as much of the ASCN leadership, namely Xetic. More importantly, they are the ones that were set to negative by ASCN shortly after ASCN leadership pulled their corps out of XF to secure a separate peace with the same enemy they had provoked into attacking in the first place. Where are these aggressors today? Lo and behold, their main cadre of leaders and planners is in BoB (ex-Atuk/Dice). I think that people in XT and 3-I are just enjoying the irony of ASCN endagered by the very same group that allowed them to exist in the first place a little too much to get involved. So from a purely historical/sentimental standpoint, D2 has no reason whatsoever to side with ASCN in this. It also makes some sense strategically. D2 have been engaged in bloody POS wars for months. It started in early June and practically lasted during the whole of summer (maybe more, i don't remember exactly when TCF withdrew from tribute). I was there during the start of the campaign against TCF in Venal, then in XZH against the goons too and shortly after i joined my current alliance D2 was still fighting another POS war against TCF in tribute. This does tend to put a strain on logistics, as well as on the morale of an alliance's members. This is a great game because it's complicated to a high extent, but this is also the reason that some aspects are considered the work you have to do in order to reap some rewards and do something fun later. In layman's terms, POS wars are not terribly exciting, but you need to secure your space and make some isk before you go rampant in HAC ganksquads for the hell of it. Judging by their recent escapades, that's exactly what they have been doing. Last but not least, they can balance their manpower between preparation for the next war (capitals,titans, stockpiling of resources) and raiding while sitting out the current conflict and waiting for those involved to lose some of their strength. This war only helps them solidify their position, as it puts two of their major long time enemies out of the immediate picture for a substantial amount of time and leaves them unchecked. A grunt will always look for fights, but leaders play this game more like a strategy game than a combat simulator (another testament to EvE's variety). I would do the same thing if i was in their leader's shoes good post man
Naldo Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:40:00 - [181] If IRON did take a fight to BoB. They would be leaving their friends hanging in a time where they are needed. If it wasn't for IRON, Triumvirate would have already wiped FOF into extinction and would be continuing our path of destruction onto another entity within Pure Blind. I respect IRON more than any other alliance in the game. What they have done and what they go through to protect its weaker allies is very honourable and very heart warming. I don't think IRON are in a position to leave the area to fight though as I really do believe that they are the sole entity allowing FOF to survive. Though FOF seems to take the help for granted. (IE having a 112 man gang come to save FOF pos and only 10-15 members of the gang actually being FOF)
Proconsul Para Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:48:00 - [182] Heh, nice topic, it's been a blast reading it. Now, problem is, I don't think there's a way or remote possibility to kill BoB. An alliance folds from inside, when distrust and bickering starts between the member corporations. And in BoB, we're a big happy family. I'm a BNC pilot, and will be a BNC pilot for as long as EVE runs or I still can squeeze time for online games. I left BNC once, for 6 months, 'cause I thought it's cool to be in a corp with some fellow RO pilots, and get in gangs and on TS and chat in my native language, then go out and dunk some beers with the same fellows. It was OK, but I wanted to go back "home", and I did, and I was welcomed back. <3 Blacklight I trust my corpmates completely. And from ~2 years of working with EVOL, RKK and ATUK, the same trust extends to them. Even the old enemies, that I used to shoot at, and they used to shoot at me, since back in GNW - persh and Obidios come first to mind - I know I can count on, and they can count on me. And ladies and gentlemen, my belief is that this is the fuel that drives BoB: comradeship and trust. And there's no entity in EVE that can take these away, hence you can't kill BoB. Say your prayers and pass the ammo :) Originally by: thoth foc breaking news.. BL has stolen DICE's beer supplies
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:37:00 - [183] You can not kill anything based on an ideal.. so you ideology applies to any close knit grop of people with the same goal ie ASCN, AAA ect.....
Hellcore Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:52:00 - [184] Originally by: Oratu You can not kill anything based on an ideal.. so you ideology applies to any close knit grop of people with the same goal ie ASCN, AAA ect..... Except ASCN members do not share the same goal, their leaders seem to follow a different path to their members. The members on the whole are only interested in themselves, hell why wouldn't you be if you had that kind of leader?
Hey You Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:14:00 - [185] Originally by: Nez Perces ... you make a good case Don Zola. Yeah BoB keep getting stronger and stronger over time.. but it is relative as BoB gets stronger so do other entities get stronger. As BoB get richer so do other people in EVE get richer. There is a limit as to how strong BoB can get, relative to the rest of EVE. That limit is related to size. I believe BoB are very keen on efficiency and being an efficient entity. However, growing in size with their alliance model will have counter productive effects. BoB are currently the template for unlimited success in 0.0, however at one time so was FA... I suppose its amusing that some of the same people are involved in both... however.... if EVE continues to evolve and lasts another few years.... the cycle of life will continue and BoB in its current format may not necessarily remain. So getting hung up on BoB needing to die, to stop them getting completely unbeatable, may ring true for other games, but not for EVE. you forget one important thing in all this. "the cycle of life will continue and BoB in its current format may not necessarily remain." and "However, growing in size with their alliance model will have counter productive effects." what you keep forgetting is that we are best at adopting to new challenges, changes and situations that occur in this game as we proved in many occasions. Alliances and corps that fails to adopt and change as game mechanic changes dies. its same in every game eve isn't exception. one hits you with one tactic and bash floor with you. next time you have counter tactic and you bash floor with him. power of eve to provide us with all this variety of tactics and ideas. Also one more thing. To all of you that think this game (no matter how real it might seem to be) is more than just a game, please go get help, get a life, go outside, take look at sun, its still nice and yellow. and shining. Also point of every game, therefore of EvE as well is to have fun. And thats what we are doing. I wont get into anything else written in this thread as i am not familiarized with how things went and how things happened. Just wanna say GF to ASCN. You guys are giving us lot of fun. Also (i knwo im boring already with this also but i run onto ideas as i type) big hello to Don Zola, a only person from Hercegovina i know so far :P To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
Paltar Eternal Rising Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:24:00 - [186] Originally by: Naldo If IRON did take a fight to BoB. They would be leaving their friends hanging in a time where they are needed. If it wasn't for IRON, Triumvirate would have already wiped FOF into extinction and would be continuing our path of destruction onto another entity within Pure Blind. I respect IRON more than any other alliance in the game. What they have done and what they go through to protect its weaker allies is very honourable and very heart warming. I don't think IRON are in a position to leave the area to fight though as I really do believe that they are the sole entity allowing FOF to survive. Though FOF seems to take the help for granted. (IE having a 112 man gang come to save FOF pos and only 10-15 members of the gang actually being FOF) Don't think i'd have ever seen myself agreeing with a TRI member. But i've grown to respect some of your guys over the past few weeks, you seem to be a fairly committed new alliance and hopefully the future holds much fun and success for you. FLA doesn't get mentioned much in northern politics, we occupy a fairly out of the way area and as a general rule, our policies don't often encroach on others unless our direct +10 allies come under threat but independantly speaking I would like to see some intervention into the BoB vs ASCN war - not saying on who's side mind. But in reality we all know that if 100 or 200 or more people were to head down to that fight it would suffer even more from the lag and node death it suffers now, this knowledge provokes apathy certainly in me... I can drive 40 jumps to try to get involved in a war and probably lose a ship when I lag out leaping into a camp, or I can stay home and look for fights in and around dek and pureblind and probably still lose ships but at least I stand a chance?! I'm sure when kali hits and all the server upgrades and nodes are in, and things stablise their will be more upheavel, and large scale war to be had. Until then I guess we'll be seeing you in PB Tri for more fun and games
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:27:00 - [187] Originally by: Itzena Hypothetical question for D2/IRON/whoever: If, however many months down the line, ASCN sue for peace, sign up to be yet another BoB peon state like FIX, and funnel x% of their industrial powerbase to their masters; and then BoB turns around and says "OK. You're next" to you... ...Will you remember this thread, or claim that you never saw it coming? Quoted for idiocy. FIX pay nothing to BOB, nor does it funnel x% of it's industrial powerbase to them. Do we trade and sell with them? Yes. Other than that, which is not a "funneling", you, my dear Itzena are without a clue; however, I will be happy to sell you one if you so desire. Yoda Out
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:31:00 - [188] Originally by: Hey You you forget one important thing in all this. "the cycle of life will continue and BoB in its current format may not necessarily remain." and "However, growing in size with their alliance model will have counter productive effects." what you keep forgetting is that we are best at adopting to new challenges, changes and situations that occur in this game as we proved in many occasions. Alliances and corps that fails to adopt and change as game mechanic changes dies. its same in every game eve isn't exception. one hits you with one tactic and bash floor with you. next time you have counter tactic and you bash floor with him. power of eve to provide us with all this variety of tactics and ideas. You are right that BoB so far have proven to be the entity most able to adapt to new changes in EVE and make those changes work for them....no argument there. My point is that EVE is a big game... both in longevity and playerbase. BoB IMO is currently the top dog and its alliance model is the most advanced and efficient alliance model to date. However, there is no way neither I nor anybody in BoB can predict that another alliance will not rise to outperform BoB at what BoB does best.... if this were not the case then I think there would be little point in playing, most of all for BoB. EVE is a big enough game for both BoB to exist and for even several BoB competitors to arise...EVE is unpredictable and is why we all love this game... there is simply no way to categorically say that things will remain as they are now. Which brings us back to the original OP.... the concept of taking BoB down now before they become increasingly powerful is a moot one. I'm sure alliances around EVE will take up oportunities as they present themselves, but the war with ASCN, provides no more opportunities than at any other time in BoB's history.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:37:00 - [189] Originally by: Hey You Also one more thing. To all of you that think this game (no matter how real it might seem to be) is more than just a game, please go get help, get a life, go outside, take look at sun, its still nice and yellow. and shining. I just looked at the sun.. its shining, wherever I go - be it Jita, Agil, HED-GP or anywhere else ------------------ Save Tranquility!
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:43:00 - [190] Originally by: Nez Perces I'm sure alliances around EVE will take up oportunities as they present themselves, but the war with ASCN, provides no more opportunities than at any other time in BoB's history. ... just to add also.. that if I personally had to identify the most opportune moment to take out BoB as the OP states, it would have been when they first came to the south after killing PA. In those days Evolution was pretty much taking a Sabatical and they hadn't yet got a foothold in Delve and PB... As it happened, EVE as a whole was quite happy to watch BoB destroy FA, and if I have to be honest so was I (as they failed to show any real intention of protecting PB and Delve). BoB installed itself in Fountain, Period Basis and Delve and they have been going from strength to strenth. Infact I'll I can go on to say that BoB isnt the problem.. what is a problem is that other alliances in the game refuse time and time again to learn how to do things properly. To beat BoB all you have to do is do what they do but better.... 1. Quality FC's 2. Pilots that follow orders, whatever they may be. 3. Logisitics. Most alliances fail badly at point 1. or 2. or even all three.
Tam Chi Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:49:00 - [191] Originally by: SATAN Do the mighty AAA with their massive skill and firepower unleash the power they posses on the people that have been tormenting them for ages? anyone know who this is? ROFL
Therem Harth DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:40:00 - [192] Originally by: Itzena Hypothetical question for D2/IRON/whoever: If, however many months down the line, ASCN sue for peace, sign up to be yet another BoB peon state like FIX, and funnel x% of their industrial powerbase to their masters; and then BoB turns around and says "OK. You're next" to you... ...Will you remember this thread, or claim that you never saw it coming? D2/IRON and their allies have already fought BoB many times, so your question is, frankly, irrelevant. Moreover, more than once ASCN has sided with BoB in these attacks, either directly, as in case of EC-P8R, or indirectly, as in picking opportunities to harass northern space while BoB was dealing damage there. And so they will reap what they sowed. --
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:44:00 - [193] Just when you thought Tinfoil hattery has reached its peak
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:45:00 - [194] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Shin Ra So we are trying to social engineer a bandwagon on bob so one of the many alliance we farm doesn't get destroyed? The primary ingredient for sucessful social engineering Shin Ra is the significance of the engineer. But i guess trying never hurt anyone. So by your own logic, that BoB dude was crazy... Note the "?"
babyblue	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:12:00 - [195] Sorry, didn't read the 4,000 posts before mine, just the OP. I seem to remember spending most of my time with IRON/G chasing Hobbits around before the alliance went ****-up under the pressure (you know war with FE, then Shinra, Bob and the Hobbits invading). If you think you are going to get any help from those pilots, you are sadly mistaken. This smells like the pre-whining post of a dying alliance (seen it, been there and written a few myself ).
Loftur sterki Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:26:00 - [196] Quoted for idiocy. FIX pay nothing to BOB, nor does it funnel x% of it's industrial powerbase to them. Do we trade and sell with them? Yes. Other than that, which is not a "funneling", you, my dear Itzena are without a clue Yoda Out Did you get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning ??? Grumpy old Viking
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:45:00 - [197] babies are just veal for cannibals
Noobaque Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:26:00 - [198] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Think BURN EDEN has this wrong assumption going that AAA and D2 are afraid of BoB - that's bullsh1t. proof or stfu...
Noobaque Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:28:00 - [199] Originally by: babyblue Sorry, didn't read the 4,000 posts before mine, just the OP. I seem to remember spending most of my time with IRON/G chasing Hobbits around before the alliance went ****-up under the pressure (you know war with FE, then Shinra, Bob and the Hobbits invading). If you think you are going to get any help from those pilots, you are sadly mistaken. This smells like the pre-whining post of a dying alliance (seen it, been there and written a few myself ). appearantly you didnt read JUST the OP. becuase if you did you would see the op is not in ascn or bob. so how could he be whining? he is stating facts. have a nice day
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:31:00 - [200] Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 23:35:02 Originally by: Noobaque Originally by: Beyond Horizon Think BURN EDEN has this wrong assumption going that AAA and D2 are afraid of BoB - that's bullsh1t. proof or stfu... ... heh.. k this made me LOL.. its particularly ironic coming from a BE member.. /emote slides AAA and D2 a copy of photoshop .. also you might find this link useful... http://www.absolutecross.com/tutorials/photoshop/
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:19:00 - [201] Actually, what this thread might achieve is rallying everyone to wipe out BE :]
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:21:00 - [202] Edited by: Shardrael on 30/10/2006 00:22:35 ffs this damn board has killed my post twice in a row now so I will make this short I dont care which side you want to win or fall, if it is truly something you want to happen, then work towards it. Otherwise it is not something you want but something you want people to believe you want. Talk is cheap, action is history. If you desire something then move towards it, cause I can guarantee you one thing; sitting on your ass is not helping you get anything. do not treat this as an ASCN post, nor a BoB post, nor a BE post this is simply an observation on people at large and trying to lump this in with one side or another does not in any way discount the truth contained here. for the love of yourself if you desire something take action to achieve that end. Whether that desire is fully realized or not, there will come a day when EVE exists not longer and a vast majority of us will part ways never to know the other again, all that remains is your memory and experiences of what you accomplished in that time period. Spare this post a couple seconds thought, that is all I ask disclaimer: this is not directed at any one person in this thread or any other, or any one organization or group of organizations, it is directed at all that would call themselves human. carry on Originally by: Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:27:00 - [203] Originally by: Rebellion Actually, what this thread might achieve is rallying everyone to wipe out BE :] From your words to Gods ears Do you know how fantastic it would be to have ready and willing targets the moment you log in?
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:48:00 - [204] Originally by: SATAN From your words to Gods ears Do you know how fantastic it would be to have ready and willing targets the moment you log in? Funnily enough, we do :) Thanks for starting this thread!
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:05:00 - [205] TBH this thread is a clue-by-four for any alliance leaders who read it. The only things that explain the current trend in planning are a) Other alliances have already agreed to a "master plan" in which they all become BoB puppets. b) Other alliances think BoB is somehow not even remotely busy fighting ASCN. c) Other alliances arent thinking clearly. Occams razor points to #3. I can say all this of course because I'm not in an alliance and I have no say over the directorship of any of them. So its easy enough for the "powers" to dismiss posts like mine. Of course I can dismiss them just as easily. Few months and rule #3 half of them will be gone already. WTB a clue for alliances --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Johnathan Roark Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.30 05:51:00 - [206] [qu ... just to add also.. that if I personally had to identify the most opportune moment to take out BoB as the OP states, it would have been when they first came to the south after killing PA. In those days Evolution was pretty much taking a Sabatical and they hadn't yet got a foothold in Delve and PB... BoB never really did kill the PA, weakened yes, but not killed. PA continued on a long time after the GNW was finished and BoB moved to Delve. So far, that is the only alliance that didn't fold when facing BoB. As far as the topic, bandwagons are bad, but I suspect most fear BoB too much to even think about all the fun it would be fighting a force that will actually fight. Corporation Management Improvement
Proconsul Para Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 07:11:00 - [207] Originally by: Johnathan Roark BoB never really did kill the PA, weakened yes, but not killed. PA continued on a long time after the GNW was finished and BoB moved to Delve. So far, that is the only alliance that didn't fold when facing BoB. Now sir, this is fiction. At the end of GNW, all that was left of PA in their former area of Venal-Tenal-Branch was a bunch of NPCers in Y-4 and 6NJ, safespotting or insta-docking at the first sign of a BoB pilot in local. The german corps already went and made G, NSN was in empire doing merc work, now-RAZOR corps have had left PA, so on, so forth. Even GODS were a shadow of their former selves. After we (BoB) left the north, the vacuum that we left behind fas the driving force behind the resurection of PA, not the former alliance's inner strength. Pre-GNW PA and post-GNW PA had in common just the name and a handful of pilots. Originally by: thoth foc breaking news.. BL has stolen DICE's beer supplies
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.30 07:21:00 - [208] Originally by: Hellcore Originally by: Oratu You can not kill anything based on an ideal.. so you ideology applies to any close knit grop of people with the same goal ie ASCN, AAA ect..... Except ASCN members do not share the same goal, their leaders seem to follow a different path to their members. Of everything posted here, I find this exchange to be the most interesting and would love to see some thoughtful replies to it. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Sir Juri Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 07:25:00 - [209] Edited by: Sir Juri on 30/10/2006 07:35:08 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Hellcore Originally by: Oratu You can not kill anything based on an ideal.. so you ideology applies to any close knit grop of people with the same goal ie ASCN, AAA ect..... Except ASCN members do not share the same goal, their leaders seem to follow a different path to their members. Of everything posted here, I find this exchange to be the most interesting and would love to see some thoughtful replies to it. get a life! (thoughtfull enough?) damn need to make a new sig...
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.30 07:45:00 - [210] Edited by: Seleene on 30/10/2006 07:46:40 Originally by: Sir Juri Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Hellcore Originally by: Oratu You can not kill anything based on an ideal.. so you ideology applies to any close knit grop of people with the same goal ie ASCN, AAA ect..... Except ASCN members do not share the same goal, their leaders seem to follow a different path to their members. Of everything posted here, I find this exchange to be the most interesting and would love to see some thoughtful replies to it. get a life? (thoughtfull enough?) Actually, yes. It shows the typically redundant and backassward thinking process that is going to end up with ASCN's territory being carved up into several smaller alliance 'states'. The fact is that due to any number of factors, both RL and in game, your leadership is non-existent at best and hopelessly bogged down / confused at worst. Your problems extend far beyond losing dozens of BS per day. If that was your largest failing, I'd actually believe you have a chance. The issue here is that I'd be willing to wager real money that the rank and file MC member knows more about what's going on inside ASCN than your own membership right now. Unless something fundamental changes inside of ASCN within the next few weeks, this 'Great Southern War' is going to fizzle out with a whimper before the end of the year. DonÆt take my word for it, though. Time will prove me right or wrong. Hopefully, and I really do hope this happens, ASCN will get their act together and make a real go at it, but itÆs going to take one hell of a turn around in the way this æwarÆ is being conducted. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:22:00 - [211] Kill all BoB! And let me NPC w*e in Delve, kthxbye! (Siddy asked me to come there and help him with his carebear ways) "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö*" PERVS \o/*
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:27:00 - [212] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Shin Ra So we are trying to social engineer a bandwagon on bob so one of the many alliance we farm doesn't get destroyed? The primary ingredient for sucessful social engineering Shin Ra is the significance of the engineer. But i guess trying never hurt anyone. So by your own logic, that BoB dude was crazy... Note the "?" I wasn't reffering to the motives or aim of the social engineering which you two were discussing. All i was reffering to was your capacity / ability to socially engineer developments. Pain is meant to be felt
Masta Killa The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.30 09:18:00 - [213] Axe deserves to die almost as much as bob, and Axe are even closer to stain I would however love to see big ego alliance homeless and split up. -------------------------------------- Different corp but we still show up and UDIE.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 10:35:00 - [214] Originally by: Masta Killa Axe deserves to die almost as much as bob, and Axe are even closer to stain I would however love to see big ego alliance homeless and split up. but.. but... your a big ego alliance on your own Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Hellcore Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 12:28:00 - [215] Originally by: Seleene Actually, yes. It shows the typically redundant and backassward thinking process that is going to end up with ASCN's territory being carved up into several smaller alliance 'states'. The fact is that due to any number of factors, both RL and in game, your leadership is non-existent at best and hopelessly bogged down / confused at worst. Your problems extend far beyond losing dozens of BS per day. If that was your largest failing, I'd actually believe you have a chance. The issue here is that I'd be willing to wager real money that the rank and file MC member knows more about what's going on inside ASCN than your own membership right now. Unless something fundamental changes inside of ASCN within the next few weeks, this 'Great Southern War' is going to fizzle out with a whimper before the end of the year. DonÆt take my word for it, though. Time will prove me right or wrong. Hopefully, and I really do hope this happens, ASCN will get their act together and make a real go at it, but itÆs going to take one hell of a turn around in the way this æwarÆ is being conducted. You have to ask why Cyvok's absence should leave ASCN as such headless chickens, why hasn't an alliance of this size got a decent chain of command? It all stinks of personal empires and self profit and rapid backpedaling at every opportunity so that Cyvok and ASCN HC can take no responsibility in the event of failure, even gross negligence. Crying "exploit" and "lag" as reasons for failing every engagement alludes to this even further. The bulk of ASCN members most likely have not seen strong leadership figures for a good while, so now they just bury their heads in the sand and hope that may weather this storm. In this light, how many ASCN member corporations really care under what banner they fly as long as it is one that allows them to carry on regardless in pursuit of their normal activities? I see a small group within ASCN who are willing to fight, they are the names you see in GQ2 every day, but what are they fighting for? Is it fair to mock them and accuse them of fighting for Cyvok and McGreedy or even fair to accuse them of just being anti-BoB? Personally I think these guys just want a fight and are most likely exasperated at their HCs for failing to bring it to us. Oh yes, I have total respect for those guys fighting on the frontline, very much so. So overall, who really does care about ASCN, the leaders? I doubt it, if they fail they just pack up and start again with the wealth and people they have accumulated. The members? What is there to truly care about? They have mostly lazy peers, inexperienced FCs and a farcical HC. I hear people cry "ISK" but good ISK can be made under any banner, or indeed, under no banner at all. Is average Joe Hobbit really likely to be upset if ASCN space is divvied up and he becomes member of a caretaking corporation or alliance of said pie slice (mmm pie)? So can ASCN shake it up, can the HC unite the members, can they show self-sacrifice and fight from the front? Ultimately can they find the resolve they need to have the will to win this war? Everyday that they are carried along on the tide brings them closer to the end. As to what is a "good cause", before my BoB membership I was a veteran fighter for Ushra'Khan. Now, U'K have been picked on by a lot of people for no good reason, many much larger and more powerful alliances would have folded many times over with what they have faced. The main reason this never happened was brotherhood, the closest it got was when that brotherhood was slightly shaken, but then the freeloaders were booted and some frustrated people left (me for one). I am sure you can see where this is going, our alliance name says it all and instead of learning to hate it perhaps those who face us should think about what it means.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:16:00 - [216] Originally by: Loftur sterki Quoted for idiocy. FIX pay nothing to BOB, nor does it funnel x% of it's industrial powerbase to them. Do we trade and sell with them? Yes. Other than that, which is not a "funneling", you, my dear Itzena are without a clue Yoda Out Did you get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning ??? Lol. No, just tired of people who have no real clue posting drivel that my 9 year old grandson can pick apart while watching ScoobyDoo.
Lodhi Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:22:00 - [217] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Masta Killa Axe deserves to die almost as much as bob, and Axe are even closer to stain I would however love to see big ego alliance homeless and split up. but.. but... your a big ego alliance on your own Hast my big boy toy! Come and cuddle with me in my outpost!
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:25:00 - [218] Originally by: Lodhi Originally by: Hast Originally by: Masta Killa Axe deserves to die almost as much as bob, and Axe are even closer to stain I would however love to see big ego alliance homeless and split up. but.. but... your a big ego alliance on your own Hast my big boy toy! Come and cuddle with me in my outpost! tempting will there be huggles? Originally by: John McCreedy I'm just the guy who'll hunt you to the ends of the ******* earth if you ever insult my honour again. Are we clear on that?
Masta Killa The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:25:00 - [219] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Masta Killa Axe deserves to die almost as much as bob, and Axe are even closer to stain I would however love to see big ego alliance homeless and split up. but.. but... your a big ego alliance on your own Because daddy satan, his heterosexual lifemate shin ra and uncle ETS4ME taught me well, while B[l]ob alliance rely on numbers of mediocre pilots instead of personal skill. -------------------------------------- Different corp but we still show up and UDIE.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:26:00 - [220] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Rebellion Actually, what this thread might achieve is rallying everyone to wipe out BE :] From your words to Gods ears Do you know how fantastic it would be to have ready and willing targets the moment you log in? If this were true, Satan, you folks would not cut and run at the first hint of trouble. But, oh, I forgot, your mission is to weed out the weak in the alliances you attack. At least it seems the majority of your kills are of that nature. I read 5.4 billion isk from FIX pilots when you guys were here about a month ago. Probably true given who and what you killed. When hardened pilots show up, again, you cut and run. Nothing wrong with it, mind you. Given the size of your corporation and your play style, it keeps your kill stats high and the money flowing. Now, with respect to the original post you made to start this thread: It seems to me this topic has been hashed before many times. In any event, if you feel that strongly then why are you guys not in BOB space acting upon your desires? While you cannot defeat them as an alliance, if you can take 5.4 billion from FIX in a couple of weeks you should be able to do the same to BOB, right? Now, please do not get me wrong, but if the game were such that multiple large fleets could operate and provide epic battles, I suspect there are some folks, and hopefully alliances, out there that would like nothing more than to test your desires. Given the currently poor mechanics, and taking into account the current political and military situations of the other large alliances in the game, it is unlikey that anytime in the near future your desires will come to fruition.
Lodhi Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:27:00 - [221] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Lodhi Originally by: Hast Originally by: Masta Killa Axe deserves to die almost as much as bob, and Axe are even closer to stain I would however love to see big ego alliance homeless and split up. but.. but... your a big ego alliance on your own Hast my big boy toy! Come and cuddle with me in my outpost! tempting will there be huggles? Anything for you my love And would also like to invite the rest of eve to my pleasure sauna of love. Mutch love Lodhi
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:28:00 - [222] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Shin Ra So we are trying to social engineer a bandwagon on bob so one of the many alliance we farm doesn't get destroyed? The primary ingredient for sucessful social engineering Shin Ra is the significance of the engineer. But i guess trying never hurt anyone. So by your own logic, that BoB dude was crazy... Note the "?" I wasn't reffering to the motives or aim of the social engineering which you two were discussing. All i was reffering to was your capacity / ability to socially engineer developments. You mean such as the G/Iron war with ASCN? Oh, whoops.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:28:00 - [223] Originally by: Masta Killa his heterosexual lifemate shin ra this is a lie and you know it Originally by: John McCreedy I'm just the guy who'll hunt you to the ends of the ******* earth if you ever insult my honour again. Are we clear on that?
Katrina Kirellii Caldari Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2006.10.30 16:50:00 - [224] My conclusions are: I like the way Satan thinks. I like the way BoB recruits through attacking others and enjoying the battles and sniffing out the best pilots to turn. I like the way ASCN who from empire appear to be an industrial alliance are really trying to make something of themselves by being trained in war from the "best" (defined as most successful currently) in Eve. The Titan speaks for itself in terms of ambition and you gotta respect that move. I respect BoB for their past success. I respect ASCN and the friends I feel I have there... Even though BoB has the most ******* pilots / strategy / tactics / evil ploys / dirty fighting one must still conclude that due to shear numbers time will catch up to them. I predict that ASCN will win the next tourney if they choose to participate. Again - I ask that someone somewhere - add certain events to the Histories such that this day will not be forgotten. That the firing of the Titanic weapon not be lost in time. If I had one hope from all this, I would hope that BoB and ASCN come to an understanding that together they can change the face of Eve. If there was ever a marriage blessed by the gods, this would be it. Katrina Kirellii Captain of the Silken Mistress
Romble The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:14:00 - [225] Whoa, 8 pages, i didnt read all the responses but i will answer Satan's original question. This game mimics real life. In life people usually take the easier road. The easier road in this case is attacking ASCN/AXE instead of BOB. It is unfortunate because as you say they will only be next on BOB's list and regret not taking the opportunity to hit BOB when they were busy elsewhere. To answer one of Nez's posts a few pages back. "If BOB was attacking D2 would ASCN attack BOB?" He answers probably no which is true but they would also not attack d2 and that is the main difference here. Anyhow, it's also ironic cause Satan you have been shooting in our backyard right now. So you have my permission to go attack BOB as well.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:30:00 - [226] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Rebellion Actually, what this thread might achieve is rallying everyone to wipe out BE :] From your words to Gods ears Do you know how fantastic it would be to have ready and willing targets the moment you log in? If this were true, Satan, you folks would not cut and run at the first hint of trouble. But, oh, I forgot, your mission is to weed out the weak in the alliances you attack. At least it seems the majority of your kills are of that nature. I read 5.4 billion isk from FIX pilots when you guys were here about a month ago. Probably true given who and what you killed. When hardened pilots show up, again, you cut and run. Nothing wrong with it, mind you. Given the size of your corporation and your play style, it keeps your kill stats high and the money flowing. Now, with respect to the original post you made to start this thread: It seems to me this topic has been hashed before many times. In any event, if you feel that strongly then why are you guys not in BOB space acting upon your desires? While you cannot defeat them as an alliance, if you can take 5.4 billion from FIX in a couple of weeks you should be able to do the same to BOB, right? Now, please do not get me wrong, but if the game were such that multiple large fleets could operate and provide epic battles, I suspect there are some folks, and hopefully alliances, out there that would like nothing more than to test your desires. Given the currently poor mechanics, and taking into account the current political and military situations of the other large alliances in the game, it is unlikey that anytime in the near future your desires will come to fruition. Not to get off topic here, this post has absolutly nothing to do with UDIE and what we do. But facts are: We have been to BoB space 2 times, we have been to fix space 3 times. We have come out on top every time by far killing many loosing few. We engage every fleet we run across, including BoB and win every time. Even when the B(l)oB's high and mighty them selves showed up to deal with us in Delve all they managed to achieve with 25:1 odds was a claim of ALMOST killing me. And it only took them 2 days of straight camping 2 of us with a 50+ man blob to make that claim. We engaged Fix countless times when they brought the fight all you need to do is look at our killboards and see for your self. Not that difficult to figure out, if you feel we only engage soft targets then I guess every one in EvE is a soft target. But tbh that is true. And last but not least current game mechanics have been changed several times to keep our skills in check, it has not worked yet and will not work in the future. This may sound like we are full of ourselves, but its furthest from the truth. All we do is fight, while all you do is mine, or npc, or whatever. No one in EvE has the combat experience your tipical UDIE member has, since we do nothing else and experience is what trained us.
TriggerHippy Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:30:00 - [227] Fair point.. Where were ASCN when BoB attacked everyone else in EVE? If it is the fact that it is sheer numbers which give ASCN that advantage, they could have used them when they had Cyvok and helped whichever alliance was "surviving"
Naim Obeji Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:31:00 - [228] Originally by: Marko Debreault Well, theres a couple of reasons why Outbreak isn't wading into the fight. Bandwagons suck. It would be a lot of work to kill BoB. Not fun PvP, but boring camping, things with warp bubbles and cyno fields and strontium. Going to town on BoB would mean setting a whole lot of entities to blue who make better targets. We havent been offered a pair of motherships. put all those cons against the lone pro: Killing BoB would be cool. For any alliance with assets to defend their would be an additional pro: Weakening BoB means its less likely that they will burn down my farmhouse and shag my livestock. Outbreak is an itinerant bunch of highwaymen so we don't care about protecting our assets. On a different note, it is my belief that the North's roadtrip is coming to an end, or at least being put on hold while they deal with pirates in their home. I'd sayc you're probably right on about everything here. Your "con" points are the same con points for just about everyone who has remained uninvolved. Additionally, I don't think it's a great move for various northern residents to up and leave to fight elsewhere when Outbreak has graciously come to visit for a while. In my humble opinion, that in itself would smack of cowardice and lend a wrong impression. If/when Outbreak chooses to move on, then perhaps things will be different.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:57:00 - [229] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Hellcore Originally by: Oratu You can not kill anything based on an ideal.. so you ideology applies to any close knit grop of people with the same goal ie ASCN, AAA ect..... Except ASCN members do not share the same goal, their leaders seem to follow a different path to their members. Of everything posted here, I find this exchange to be the most interesting and would love to see some thoughtful replies to it. as a civil question was posed, a civil response is due. I speak only for myself and my views(despite the frequent use of "we"), however I feel that we are an alliance of individuals(regulated in some instances, this is very true) but regardless we are an alliance of individuals, this means that we do not at all times act with the most unified direction, however this does not mean we do not share a common goal, that goal atm is the building of our corner of space, the taming of the wilds if you will. BoB, for whatever reason, come to our space to shoot us and take our space, much of which we have built. This shifts our common goal to one of protecting that which we have created. not an overly complex goal, but one that has many possible avenues of manifesting and as such it is only prudent to explore all avenues and determine which is the most beneficial to us as an Alliance. As far as I am concerned this shifts my personal goals as well, simply put without the success of our Alliance goal, then my personal goals as a member of my corp and my Alliance can not proceed. lastly I would like to ammend the original comment in this discussion if I may which was "You can not kill anything based on an ideal.. so you ideology applies to any close knit grop of people with the same goal ie ASCN, AAA ect....." instead; You can not kill anything based on an ideal as long as the people involved carry that ideal wherever it may lead them. so there ya have it Originally by: Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:04:00 - [230] From what I seen as ASCN doesn't need help from any other alliance. They need help reorganizing and prioritizing their combat structure and goals. They need to learn from the arse whooping their taking and quit repeating them. They have a huge amount of profitable areas and a huge amount of stations. They have alot of people who believe in their 0.0. dream. They need to make sure that this is a war of attrition while making sure they keep a presense in BoB space. "What happens in Deklien stays in Deklien".
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:06:00 - [231] µi veri=i ¦µg ¦arna litlu kr²li
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:48:00 - [232] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Rebellion Actually, what this thread might achieve is rallying everyone to wipe out BE :] From your words to Gods ears Do you know how fantastic it would be to have ready and willing targets the moment you log in? If this were true, Satan, you folks would not cut and run at the first hint of trouble. But, oh, I forgot, your mission is to weed out the weak in the alliances you attack. At least it seems the majority of your kills are of that nature. I read 5.4 billion isk from FIX pilots when you guys were here about a month ago. Probably true given who and what you killed. When hardened pilots show up, again, you cut and run. Nothing wrong with it, mind you. Given the size of your corporation and your play style, it keeps your kill stats high and the money flowing. Now, with respect to the original post you made to start this thread: It seems to me this topic has been hashed before many times. In any event, if you feel that strongly then why are you guys not in BOB space acting upon your desires? While you cannot defeat them as an alliance, if you can take 5.4 billion from FIX in a couple of weeks you should be able to do the same to BOB, right? Now, please do not get me wrong, but if the game were such that multiple large fleets could operate and provide epic battles, I suspect there are some folks, and hopefully alliances, out there that would like nothing more than to test your desires. Given the currently poor mechanics, and taking into account the current political and military situations of the other large alliances in the game, it is unlikey that anytime in the near future your desires will come to fruition. Not to get off topic here, this post has absolutly nothing to do with UDIE and what we do. But facts are: We have been to BoB space 2 times, we have been to fix space 3 times. We have come out on top every time by far killing many loosing few. We engage every fleet we run across, including BoB and win every time. Even when the B(l)oB's high and mighty them selves showed up to deal with us in Delve all they managed to achieve with 25:1 odds was a claim of ALMOST killing me. And it only took them 2 days of straight camping 2 of us with a 50+ man blob to make that claim. We engaged Fix countless times when they brought the fight all you need to do is look at our killboards and see for your self. Not that difficult to figure out, if you feel we only engage soft targets then I guess every one in EvE is a soft target. But tbh that is true. And last but not least current game mechanics have been changed several times to keep our skills in check, it has not worked yet and will not work in the future. This may sound like we are full of ourselves, but its furthest from the truth. All we do is fight, while all you do is mine, or npc, or whatever. No one in EvE has the combat experience your tipical UDIE member has, since we do nothing else and experience is what trained us. Heh, the last time you guys came to visit us I spent some time sitting in 3F, read a couple hours. I would watch Masta and his dictor alt (can't remember the name) login, log out, wait a bit login, logout, wait a bit, login logout. The only factor? There was about 4 Fix in system. "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Dirtball Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:02:00 - [233] I think unless someone is shooting a pos bob dont bother to waste their time in their claimed regions cause that might mean peeps have fun and come back.
Masta Killa The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:06:00 - [234] Originally by: Helplessandlost Heh, the last time you guys came to visit us I spent some time sitting in 3F, read a couple hours. I would watch Masta and his dictor alt (can't remember the name) login, log out, wait a bit login, logout, wait a bit, login logout. The only factor? There was about 4 Fix in system. Yes, because I need to log out from four whole noobs -------------------------------------- Different corp but we still show up and UDIE.
Masta Killa The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:07:00 - [235] Originally by: Gibmundur ¦ji veri= ¦i= ¦µg ¦arna litlu krfli L2spell hr. Gibbi. -------------------------------------- Different corp but we still show up and UDIE.
Svetlanna The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:15:00 - [236] For once I must say I like reading your post Satan...(do not get use to it however, I said for once ) The bobbits are fighting ASCN. This is good. No matter what intoxicated or poluted propaganda either part are throwing on the forum boards, just realize that who ever win will be weakened severly. That is also good. Then I let you imagine what will happen to whoever stands at the end of the fight... But I am sure you like the vision as much as I do.
Dekein No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:54:00 - [237] The flaw in the argement that people are making for both sides to be ripe for attack at the end of the fight is that: for both sides to be weakened at the end of a conflict, both have to be losing more assets than they are gaining. If one side is still gaining resources and also wins. Well, then the other one may not be there to attack at all and the winner is not weaker than they started. Throughout history people have avoided conflict because they didn't want to be 'Next'. It surprises me that they cling to that. Especially since, given an obviously aggressive entity, there will always be a 'Next'. _____________________
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:55:00 - [238] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 30/10/2006 19:59:12 Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Rebellion Actually, what this thread might achieve is rallying everyone to wipe out BE :] From your words to Gods ears Do you know how fantastic it would be to have ready and willing targets the moment you log in? If this were true, Satan, you folks would not cut and run at the first hint of trouble. But, oh, I forgot, your mission is to weed out the weak in the alliances you attack. At least it seems the majority of your kills are of that nature. I read 5.4 billion isk from FIX pilots when you guys were here about a month ago. Probably true given who and what you killed. When hardened pilots show up, again, you cut and run. Nothing wrong with it, mind you. Given the size of your corporation and your play style, it keeps your kill stats high and the money flowing. Now, with respect to the original post you made to start this thread: It seems to me this topic has been hashed before many times. In any event, if you feel that strongly then why are you guys not in BOB space acting upon your desires? While you cannot defeat them as an alliance, if you can take 5.4 billion from FIX in a couple of weeks you should be able to do the same to BOB, right? Now, please do not get me wrong, but if the game were such that multiple large fleets could operate and provide epic battles, I suspect there are some folks, and hopefully alliances, out there that would like nothing more than to test your desires. Given the currently poor mechanics, and taking into account the current political and military situations of the other large alliances in the game, it is unlikey that anytime in the near future your desires will come to fruition. Not to get off topic here, this post has absolutly nothing to do with UDIE and what we do. But facts are: We have been to BoB space 2 times, we have been to fix space 3 times. We have come out on top every time by far killing many loosing few. We engage every fleet we run across, including BoB and win every time. Even when the B(l)oB's high and mighty them selves showed up to deal with us in Delve all they managed to achieve with 25:1 odds was a claim of ALMOST killing me. And it only took them 2 days of straight camping 2 of us with a 50+ man blob to make that claim. We engaged Fix countless times when they brought the fight all you need to do is look at our killboards and see for your self. Not that difficult to figure out, if you feel we only engage soft targets then I guess every one in EvE is a soft target. But tbh that is true. And last but not least current game mechanics have been changed several times to keep our skills in check, it has not worked yet and will not work in the future. This may sound like we are full of ourselves, but its furthest from the truth. All we do is fight, while all you do is mine, or npc, or whatever. No one in EvE has the combat experience your tipical UDIE member has, since we do nothing else and experience is what trained us. There is a song by Styx that begins with the line, "Welcome to the Grand Illusion". Seems some folks have mirrored it in real life. Honestly, when you get your facts correct, come calling and we can talk about it. Until then, continue to do what you do best. We all know what that is. Edited: Was not the name of the song but a line from it.
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:18:00 - [239] Originally by: Cassiuss Calling AAA, D2, G/Iron cowards 4tw. I think its an alliance nature to be so self-centred and opportunist. Vultures. Oh I'm sorry we're not running off to save our enemy's hides. Oh woe is me. Don't worry, though, we sent Reix back down south earlier today, maybe he'll help defend his homeland instead of messing around in Venal.
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:50:00 - [240] Originally by: Cassiuss <3 Satan. Calling AAA, D2, G/Iron cowards 4tw. I think its an alliance nature to be so self-centred and opportunist. Vultures. The hypocrisy is almost funny. You have a very short memory, hobbit. I for one have a lot of fun watching the same people you guarded in EC beating the crap out of you now. Stop whining, fight better!
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:51:00 - [241] Originally by: Romble "If BOB was attacking D2 would ASCN attack BOB?" He answers probably no which is true but they would also not attack d2 and that is the main difference here. Yawn really, uninformed ASCN bias by ISS. Why does that not surprise me anymore. When we were down south we shot more or less everything except AAA. When it came to groups as many went into bob space as into ASCN space. BOB are just abit more clued up about how to travel.
Cassiuss Minmatar STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:52:00 - [242] Originally by: Karina Harington Originally by: Cassiuss Calling AAA, D2, G/Iron cowards 4tw. I think its an alliance nature to be so self-centred and opportunist. Vultures. Oh I'm sorry we're not running off to save our enemy's hides. Oh woe is me. What u mean I lub u long time. Cassiuss, STK-S Recruitment Officer
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:56:00 - [243] Originally by: Dekein Throughout history people have avoided conflict because they didn't want to be 'Next'. It surprises me that they cling to that. Especially since, given an obviously aggressive entity, there will always be a 'Next'. So the last 3 years when your entity has had that convenient stance then it was all fine but now you start whining about it? If theres one positive that can come from this conflict its if it stops Cyvok living in fairyland and it opens up the political landscape. If anyone is still willing to talk to him that is.
Kar'Dargo Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:56:00 - [244] Originally by: SATAN PS. BoB is the bandwagon and dont forget it, while their numbers are small compared to ASCN they are composed of hardened fighters many of which use to hate everything about BoB. But were basicly beat down by the bandwagon and forced on board. BoB will continue to take your strong fighters/leaders every time they come and take your region it is their favorite form of recruitment. This is what made the Roman Empire so successful, for so long. With a well trained force that was very often heavily outnumbered, they would systematically attack, conquer lands, give the vanquished a small measure of freedoms back, then consript those that they saw as being worthy of Roman service. The best of whom eventually were 'granted' the gift of Roman citizenship. I daresay the OP has a very valid point which should seriously be considered by the other powerful alliances in the game, ego's aside. As much as I admire the sheer politcal and military genius of BoB (ie: Potentially Eve's growing version of the Roman Empire), if BoB is ever to be stopped by actions within the realm of the game, a window of opportunity may be here right now. ASCN is on the frontline and they are an econcomic machine with good leadership, but they need additional war fronts and help to be successful. It just does not seem likely that they will have the heart to sustain a protracted war without help and some major victories, whereas BoB's many veteran fighters, most likely do. Not only that, but a war is far more enjoyable when you are the one killing, not being killed. It will be fascinating to observe as events unfold, it would be rather dramatic for BoB to be surrounded on all sides...then what?... -----
Cassiuss Minmatar STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:58:00 - [245] Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: Cassiuss <3 Satan. Calling AAA, D2, G/Iron cowards 4tw. I think its an alliance nature to be so self-centred and opportunist. Vultures. The hypocrisy is almost funny. You have a very short memory, hobbit. I for one have a lot of fun watching the same people you guarded in EC beating the crap out of you now. Stop whining, fight better! Yes funny indeed. EC was good times. Fighting Bob is good times. stabbin you in the mouth priceless. Cassiuss, STK-S Recruitment Officer
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:19:00 - [246] Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: Helplessandlost Heh, the last time you guys came to visit us I spent some time sitting in 3F, read a couple hours. I would watch Masta and his dictor alt (can't remember the name) login, log out, wait a bit login, logout, wait a bit, login logout. The only factor? There was about 4 Fix in system. Yes, because I need to log out from four whole noobs Guess so since you kept doing it... It was shortly after that you left for good much to our dismay. "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 22:47:00 - [247] Edited by: fire 59 on 30/10/2006 22:51:54 Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Rebellion Actually, what this thread might achieve is rallying everyone to wipe out BE :] From your words to Gods ears Do you know how fantastic it would be to have ready and willing targets the moment you log in? If this were true, Satan, you folks would not cut and run at the first hint of trouble. But, oh, I forgot, your mission is to weed out the weak in the alliances you attack. At least it seems the majority of your kills are of that nature. I read 5.4 billion isk from FIX pilots when you guys were here about a month ago. Probably true given who and what you killed. When hardened pilots show up, again, you cut and run. Nothing wrong with it, mind you. Given the size of your corporation and your play style, it keeps your kill stats high and the money flowing. Now, with respect to the original post you made to start this thread: It seems to me this topic has been hashed before many times. In any event, if you feel that strongly then why are you guys not in BOB space acting upon your desires? While you cannot defeat them as an alliance, if you can take 5.4 billion from FIX in a couple of weeks you should be able to do the same to BOB, right? Now, please do not get me wrong, but if the game were such that multiple large fleets could operate and provide epic battles, I suspect there are some folks, and hopefully alliances, out there that would like nothing more than to test your desires. Given the currently poor mechanics, and taking into account the current political and military situations of the other large alliances in the game, it is unlikey that anytime in the near future your desires will come to fruition. Not to get off topic here, this post has absolutly nothing to do with UDIE and what we do. But facts are: We have been to BoB space 2 times, we have been to fix space 3 times. We have come out on top every time by far killing many loosing few. We engage every fleet we run across, including BoB and win every time. Even when the B(l)oB's high and mighty them selves showed up to deal with us in Delve all they managed to achieve with 25:1 odds was a claim of ALMOST killing me. And it only took them 2 days of straight camping 2 of us with a 50+ man blob to make that claim. We engaged Fix countless times when they brought the fight all you need to do is look at our killboards and see for your self. Not that difficult to figure out, if you feel we only engage soft targets then I guess every one in EvE is a soft target. But tbh that is true. And last but not least current game mechanics have been changed several times to keep our skills in check, it has not worked yet and will not work in the future. This may sound like we are full of ourselves, but its furthest from the truth. All we do is fight, while all you do is mine, or npc, or whatever. No one in EvE has the combat experience your tipical UDIE member has, since we do nothing else and experience is what trained us. Just wanna mention about that, didnt you and db preacher discuss that time you came down, u killed some but got sod all because they camped your ass, now it changed to complete dominance and you anhilating 25-1 or whatever ? Also mastakilla, your comments about BoB not having good pilots is abit naive tbh, relying on numbers when we always get blobbed sounds pretty, well, silly tbh. P.s , wtf, why has my sig been snipped after a year for flamebait, was only abit of fun, bah snip my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance Signature edited for flamebait - Petwraith
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:14:00 - [248] I suggest BE lead the vanguard in attacking BoB. Asking other people to die in order to fulfill your objectives doesn't always turn out well. Usually, people laugh at you. That's what Juan was trying to say. Your message may have some merit, but you (BE) do not have the reputation to convince anyone. It'll be hard enough convincing anyone if you do lead the front, it's going to be ridiculously impossible if you aren't even going to participate. As it is right now, you're occupying the same niche in EVE as CELES. To be honest, I have trouble telling you apart.
Masta Killa The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:53:00 - [249] Originally by: Helplessandlost Guess so since you kept doing it... It was shortly after that you left for good much to our dismay. Of course -------------------------------------- Different corp but we still show up and UDIE.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 01:25:00 - [250] Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: Cassiuss <3 Satan. Calling AAA, D2, G/Iron cowards 4tw. I think its an alliance nature to be so self-centred and opportunist. Vultures. The hypocrisy is almost funny. You have a very short memory, hobbit. I for one have a lot of fun watching the same people you guarded in EC beating the crap out of you now. Stop whining, fight better! whats even funnier is that as soon as we left and it was reasonable to jump in, you jumped in and schooled them back to kindergarten Originally by: John McCreedy I'm just the guy who'll hunt you to the ends of the ******* earth if you ever insult my honour again. Are we clear on that?
Conman CONMAN Enterprise	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:47:00 - [251] Originally by: Galavet This same crappy circular debate has been going on for over 2 years now. The same attempts to rally all of Eve against us, because the target being attacked is to damned lazy to get organized and defend itself. We fight for fun. We pick a target and put our backs into it, because.. Its fun. Nothing more. Last corp I expected to be moaning about this on the forums was Burn Eden tbh. remeber the 80's? I am drunken irish slave hahaha i live
Hey You Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.31 08:41:00 - [252] Originally by: Nez Perces You are right that BoB so far have proven to be the entity most able to adapt to new changes in EVE and make those changes work for them....no argument there. My point is that EVE is a big game... both in longevity and player base. BoB IMO is currently the top dog and its alliance model is the most advanced and efficient alliance model to date. However, there is no way neither I nor anybody in BoB can predict that another alliance will not rise to outperform BoB at what BoB does best.... if this were not the case then I think there would be little point in playing, most of all for BoB. EVE is a big enough game for both BoB to exist and for even several BoB competitors to arise...EVE is unpredictable and is why we all love this game... there is simply no way to categorically say that things will remain as they are now. Which brings us back to the original OP.... the concept of taking BoB down now before they become increasingly powerful is a moot one. I'm sure alliances around EVE will take up opportunities as they present themselves, but the war with ASCN, provides no more opportunities than at any other time in BoB's history. "You are right that BoB so far have proven to be the entity most able to adapt to new changes in EVE and make those changes work for them....no argument there." What you really need to question yourself is WHY is that the case? "My point is that EVE is a big game... both in longevity and player base. BoB IMO is currently the top dog and its alliance model is the most advanced and efficient alliance model to date." What you need again is same question. Why? "However, there is no way neither I nor anybody in BoB can predict that another alliance will not rise to outperform BoB at what BoB does best.... " And this is your answer right here m8. I don't think it is possible to raise above BOB high standards and beat them in their (our) system and structure for one simple reason. BOB is home for most of game veterans in EVE. That people also have most of expiriance in this game. Now, they know basically every possible situation as what will happened if this changes and what wont happened. Eve have 30 k of people playing at its peak times. from that 30 k of people there is a maybe 1000 veterans, a people who play this game from beginning. from that 1000 veterans 50 % of them is BOB, ok probably more than 50 % but lets say 50 %. You mentioned or someone mentioned why ASCN is losing so bad. Its fairly simple reason. They don't have anyone who know how to lead Fleet fight or gang for that matter. No grunges here. They know how to lead gang but their leadership just cant be compared to BOB FCs leadership. And now its this scenario. They outnumber us by bunc, they are capable of replacing losses more then we are. and Yet they are losing this war badly. A question i would ask myself if i am ASCN member, and this don't goes to care bears that are mining / npcing but it goes to those members that are in front lines fighting and losing day by day. Ok so if i am in your place. And if i lose 5-6 Battleships in few days and if my whole gang lose 50 - 60 battleships while killing none or 2-3 in few days i would pretty much say OK something is very wrong here. ME personally and im sure same goes for most of people in BOB will keep trying till we do it right. That is one of things that makes BOB strong. For others? i presume most of your guys are on edge of sending Cyvok and his Titan and his Alliance and your Corp in *********. "Which brings us back to the original OP.... the concept of taking BoB down now before they become increasingly powerful is a moot one. I'm sure alliances around EVE will take up opportunities as they present themselves, but the war with ASCN, provides no more opportunities than at any other time in BoB's history." Everyone who cares about PVP dreams of joining good PVPers ie BOB. Thats why none attacked us or used opportunities yet. To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.31 09:51:00 - [253] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: Cassiuss <3 Satan. Calling AAA, D2, G/Iron cowards 4tw. I think its an alliance nature to be so self-centred and opportunist. Vultures. The hypocrisy is almost funny. You have a very short memory, hobbit. I for one have a lot of fun watching the same people you guarded in EC beating the crap out of you now. Stop whining, fight better! whats even funnier is that as soon as we left and it was reasonable to jump in, you jumped in and schooled them back to kindergarten ASCN was the last ones there, if ascn would have left and bob would have stayed we would have jumped in there too. One left and local dropped and so we jumped in, no matter which alliance was there we would have been there.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:04:00 - [254] satan = fragm? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:42:00 - [255] - i think many dislike both sides alot, so why bother. BUT, i know ASCN/AXE would have had more help if they would have been alil more friendly to the voices that warned ASCN/AXE of wat has now happened.( guess their to big then and now to need help, right?) - that talk about alliance member count is pretty retarded tbh. Everyone knows alliances like ASCN has crazy ammount of carebears to handle the many outpost and logistics. Quality of fighters WINS battles not miners fighting because they have to. Simply put ASCN do not have enough high SP pvpers... IMO if they had same ammount of SKILLED PVPers they could win because they would have the logistics to support them, more so then BOB.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:50:00 - [256] Edited by: Cipher7 on 31/10/2006 11:50:39 Take ASCN Chop it up into 5 alliances. Alliance 1 - PVP alliance Alliance 2 - Slave miner/builder alliance Alliance 3 - Slave miner/builder alliance Alliance 4 - Slave miner/builder alliance Alliance 5 - Slave miner/builder alliance Alliance 1 charges the slave miner/builder alliances a mineral/isk fee to be left alone and mine in ASCN space Alliance 2,3,4,5 are happy to mine and build all day, after "taxes" they still make damn good money and get to play with all the cool toys, and not have to deal with defending borders and such. Alliance 1 PVP's all day. Thats all they do. They dont mine, they don't rat, they camp gates, raid and kill people all day. After a while, Alliance 1 will be as good as BoB. Nobody joins BoB to mine. You join BoB to do 1 thing : fight. ASCN is a mixed alliance of miners builders fighters etc, so the muscle to fat ratio is low. If you cut up ASCN, put all the PVPers in their own alliance, they will start to have kill ratios that can compete with BoB. Then if BoB attacks the slave alliances, you can say on the boards that BoB is off attacking neutral third parties and let the slave alliances die or deal with it themselves. That's the model under which BoB operates, and its the most efficient model. And socialist corps are naturally better at PVP than capitalist corps. In capitalist corps you have to buy your own ship, so its in the back of your mind that you will have to absorb the loss and somehow pay for replacements, so you are more cautious and less eager to fight. In war you can't hold back, you got to be eager and willing to throw yourself forward, thats hard to do if you are driving a large chunk of your own personal wallet. ASCN is doing quite well considering it has both arms tied behind its back from its economic and political model.
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 12:33:00 - [257] Originally by: Cipher7 That's the model under which BoB operates, and its the most efficient model. This is not entirely accurate, as much as people like to believe so. You paint a picture in which BoB is capable of only fighting and destroying things, and all the production, logistics and industry is outsourced to "slaves" or otherwise inferior people as you put it. Dear sirs, we don't ** tech 2 ammo and fart HACs. We have to build them like any other entity. Our industry guys have built up a system which truly is a magnificent sight. It's a massive backbone for the alliance, and I don't think there is anyone within our memberbase who would actually be crazy enough to call these guys "inferior". However, the industry is a mean to an end - although very important one, of course. The point of the alliance is to fight it's way through big wars and kill stuff. The industry is aiming for the same goal. It's not there for the sake of industry itself, it's there to do it's part in our effort towards the victory. I'd see that as the difference between us and our enemies. Quote:** And socialist corps are naturally better at PVP than capitalist corps. Wrong here too. The system does not make a good PvP corp. ------------------- -
Hermia HIVE	Posted - 2006.10.31 12:58:00 - [258] confused with the strategy being employed by alliances. From what i understand BOB is all about testing itself and will always be looking for the next big quest. Since the most comprehensive test is the combat system, it usually ends with the destruction of the other guy, but thats the game. They are the most agressive entity and on an RP perspective the greatest threat to the bratish alliances jousting for control of the apex. Its just suvival actually. Alliances today find themselves simply speculating or lessening their chances to excape selection, something is wrong with that. It makes no sence to live under this sorta risk, or continue practising low-key behaviour to satisfy our masters. As TRUST/TBB/ASCN found out, it aint funny to break the rules, develop a name or get to big. BOB is a great barrier that directly affects us all. Its amazing that people cant put aside differences and think ahead. Despite all that there are some great speakers on these forums from BOB and i would worry that, should they fall, my reading pleasure will be affected. I tend to agree with the OP that spliting up the big three in BOB is a noble cause.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.31 13:53:00 - [259] So you're saying what, that BoB has miners in it? The wherefor and how of BoB's logistics is your own business and your own secret, but I'm pretty sure nobody's ever gonna see SirMolle sitting in a barge somewhere pulling an 18 hour marathon mining session with Blacklight driving the hauler. But I'm sure somewhere in BoB space a number of people are doing exactly that, and I'm sure those people are not the same people pulling the triggers. I'm not fauling BoB, just the opposite. Its clear you got some of the best minds in Eve working for you. People don't seem to understand this one point. Industry IS pvp. You have to control manufacturing and logistics as much as the FC has to control his pilots.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:05:00 - [260] Oh and one more thing. As far as the whole universe ganging up to take on BoB... It shouldn't be a third party suggesting it, ASCN should be actively courting allies. Maybe they are. Maybe they have. Maybe they got turned down. Maybe we'll see D2 come out swinging and invade Fountain. Ya never know. Personally I think ASCN is far from defeated. We haven't even seen the POS spamming stage yet.
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:30:00 - [261] Originally by: Hermia As TRUST/TBB/ASCN found out, it aint funny to break the rules, develop a name or get to big. Please don't lump those three names together. Each of them came to their current situation for totally different reasons. By different groups of people as well, I might add. Listen to BoB Radio!! WELCOME BACK MGRL
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:50:00 - [262] Originally by: Cipher7 So you're saying what, that BoB has miners in it? Just like you said, industry is PvP. And for us it's one of the ways we feed our war machine. During this war it has been downplayed a lot, since the general public sees industry and logistics as ASCN's most important strong point and inflicting direct damage as ours. Quote: But I'm sure somewhere in BoB space a number of people are doing exactly that, and I'm sure those people are not the same people pulling the triggers. Funny thing is that the "industrial side" of our alliance - if you even can draw such an artificial line - shares the same mentality as all of us in here. They do what they do because it is a good way to make sure something big goes boom in a flashy manner. They fight right on the front line, they share the same bloodlust, same determination and same urge to strive towards a common goal. If it makes them something, it's superior. Not inferior. On the point of our leaders pulling off mining operations... I've seen Molle mine ( albeit on a hostile territory and as a trick to draw the enemies out.. but anyways.. ), but I've never seen BL haul anything though. So it'd most likely have to be Dianabolic. He likes putting stuff in his cargohold. ------------------- -
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:56:00 - [263] Originally by: Hectic Originally by: Hermia As TRUST/TBB/ASCN found out, it aint funny to break the rules, develop a name or get to big. Please don't lump those three names together. Each of them came to their current situation for totally different reasons. By different groups of people as well, I might add. Well, in fairness to Hermia, he did list 3 different reasons after he named the groups.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:07:00 - [264] Actually Molle indeed mines sometimes, along with all other members of Evolution. Albeit not in a barge no. Cypher, maybe you cannot imagine what we explain about how we work, but that doesn't mean it's not right. We've realised some things about how industry and pvp should go together long ago that most of you seem to still not have figured out. Old blog
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:16:00 - [265] Originally by: Rod Blaine We've realised some things about how industry and pvp should go together long ago that most of you seem to still not have figured out. I wouldn't be surprised if at one point or another every member in BoB has had to get aquainted with a mining laser and do the business or haul stuff for the team or whatever was necessary. No.. no .. the big difference between BoB and the majority of EVE is that BoB pilots will follow orders... whatever those may be. And until the rest of EVE learns how to do that or rather accepts that its the only way to achieve full potential.... BoB will continue to be at the top of the food chain.
Katrina Kirellii Caldari Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:18:00 - [266] Originally by: Hectic Originally by: Hermia As TRUST/TBB/ASCN found out, it aint funny to break the rules, develop a name or get to big. Please don't lump those three names together. Each of them came to their current situation for totally different reasons. By different groups of people as well, I might add. I imagine what you say is true - but frankly - I can no longer think - I am enjoying BoB Radio. Heck - so far it is better than the alternatives. I hope I am not being subliminally controlled somehow. (mutters ---> must fight for BoB...) I wish ASCN had a "Carebear Radio" alternative to yours. Until they show their teeth more, I think of them as the underdog and I ALWAYS support the underdog. Back to listening - thanks for the tunes. Katrina Kirellii Captain of the Silken Mistress
Hermia HIVE	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:20:00 - [267] Edited by: Hermia on 31/10/2006 15:23:18 Originally by: Hectic Originally by: Hermia As TRUST/TBB/ASCN found out, it aint funny to break the rules, develop a name or get to big. Please don't lump those three names together. Each of them came to their current situation for totally different reasons. By different groups of people as well, I might add. Different people?, aww come on. I followed each case, have friends in the first. The circumstances had a common theme aside the rhetoric and ulterior strategy. But ofcourse thats all it is... and rightly so, makes everything more interesting. end of the day, as a therd party spectator, i want an interesting war and will try and prolong it. Its had a few good turns already, but could be better.
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:45:00 - [268] BoB has a radio station? Awesome. Anybody got a link?
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:57:00 - [269] Originally by: Cipher7 BoB has a radio station? Awesome. Anybody got a link? www.bobonair.com Originally by: John McCreedy I'm just the guy who'll hunt you to the ends of the ******* earth if you ever insult my honour again. Are we clear on that?
Katrina Kirellii Caldari Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:59:00 - [270] Edited by: Katrina Kirellii on 31/10/2006 16:00:35 Originally by: Cipher7 BoB has a radio station? Awesome. Anybody got a link? BoB Radio (you need Winamp to listen): http://listen.tobobradio.com/ So far - NO COMMERCIALS!!! I am waiting for War Updates - those might be funny... "Hello, this is Dianabolic reporting from the front line... my cargo hold is full of ASCN loot but a pretty good fight is going on right now pew pew okay I am taking some fire but my Non-BoB approved WCS is keeping me ahead of them for the moment. In fact, I am listening to the ASCN TS right now and they think I am actually a BoB mole and collecting the loot for ASCN. Back to you in the studio!" Katrina Kirellii Captain of the Silken Mistress
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.10.31 16:03:00 - [271] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Cipher7 BoB has a radio station? Awesome. Anybody got a link? www.bobonair.com "Nice Bandwidth. We'll take it." LOL Thanks guy....and that sig is...uh...interesting.
grizouh Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.31 16:10:00 - [272] Originally by: Crean NaVar I for one have a lot of fun watching the same people you guarded in EC beating the crap out of you now. one point second point: why should we do something which we did not appreciate when we <G/Iron> were down south for ascn and bob suddenly attacked iron in their homelands, conquering the outpost which were still rare at that time, and offering it for sale. /me waves to celes and the general irony in it so we went back home to help our brothers in arms and bob left shortly after and said the roadtrip was over anyway... third point: what ab initio said
Halafian The Graduates	Posted - 2006.10.31 22:16:00 - [273] Not sure which of the various BoB/ASCN threads to post this, but have there been any titan sightings? Has it had any tactical or strategic significance at all? Such a great little video with that wonderful Teardrop song by Massive Attack.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 23:07:00 - [274] Originally by: Cipher7 The wherefor and how of BoB's logistics is your own business and your own secret, but I'm pretty sure nobody's ever gonna see SirMolle sitting in a barge somewhere pulling an 18 hour marathon mining session with Blacklight driving the hauler. hahahahahaha, You just have no clue how much you made me laugh. This is EXACTLY why every other alliance fails. They just don't believe. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.01 02:02:00 - [275] Originally by: DB Preacher satan = fragm? dbp Do I write like FragM? WTF...
Rev Slayer	Posted - 2006.11.01 03:13:00 - [276] Here it is: They came for the Communists, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Communist; They came for the Socialists, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Socialist; They came for the labor leaders, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a labor leader; They came for the Jews, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Jew; Then they came for me - And there was no one left to object. - Martin Niemoller, German Protestant Pastor, 1892-1984 Sorry but i couldnt help seeing how this fits into this discussion."Alliance name here" if we attack ASCN or if we stay out of the way them BOB wont come for us next.The whole point to this war seems to be that ASCN is getting too large and too much of a threat to BOB.If any other Allaince has any hopes of being a major "player" in Eve they will face the same thing.But as others want to think this will not have anything to do with "their" long term plans. I guess it really is true that ignorance is bliss.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.01 03:21:00 - [277] Edited by: Nez Perces on 01/11/2006 03:23:30 Originally by: Rev Slayer ...load of rubbish that will get deleted by the mods anyhow... First of all don't mix RL history/politics with EVE.. Secondly.. BoB isn't the problem, they only seem to be so strong because most other alliances are so weak. Most alliances in EVE only reach about 40% of their maximum potential.. primarily because most alliance pilots feel no inclination to follow orders... most pilots in EVE think that EVE is a game where their amusement comes first... and alliance requirements second. BoB is different.. they achieve 80%+ participation rates in whatever they do. Most alliances will be over the moon if they get 50% participation.. and thats when things are going well. So its not BoB that is so great... its the majority of EVE that sucks donkey b.alls .. the inevitable outcome of this is that the smart pilots who have run out of patience with other entities in EVE invariably gravitate towards BoB. Infact BoB is a +ve influence in the game, pushing the benchmark for excellence upwards.. [edit:typo]
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.01 03:48:00 - [278] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 01/11/2006 03:23:30 Originally by: Rev Slayer ...load of rubbish that will get deleted by the mods anyhow... First of all don't mix RL history/politics with EVE.. Secondly.. BoB isn't the problem, they only seem to be so strong because most other alliances are so weak. Most alliances in EVE only reach about 40% of their maximum potential.. primarily because most alliance pilots feel no inclination to follow orders... most pilots in EVE think that EVE is a game where their amusement comes first... and alliance requirements second. BoB is different.. they achieve 80%+ participation rates in whatever they do. Most alliances will be over the moon if they get 50% participation.. and thats when things are going well. So its not BoB that is so great... its the majority of EVE that sucks donkey b.alls .. the inevitable outcome of this is that the smart pilots who have run out of patience with other entities in EVE invariably gravitate towards BoB. Infact BoB is a +ve influence in the game, pushing the benchmark for excellence upwards.. [edit:typo] Gods Nez.. your really starting to sound like a true BOB suck up. What, are you shooting for an invite from them?
00tricky Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 03:50:00 - [279] Edited by: 00tricky on 01/11/2006 03:56:03 Edited by: 00tricky on 01/11/2006 03:52:48 Originally by: Rev Slayer Here it is: They came for the Communists, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Communist; They came for the Socialists, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Socialist; They came for the labor leaders, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a labor leader; They came for the Jews, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Jew; Then they came for me - And there was no one left to object. - Martin Niemoller, German Protestant Pastor, 1892-1984 Sorry but i couldnt help seeing how this fits into this discussion."Alliance name here" if we attack ASCN or if we stay out of the way them BOB wont come for us next.The whole point to this war seems to be that ASCN is getting too large and too much of a threat to BOB.If any other Allaince has any hopes of being a major "player" in Eve they will face the same thing.But as others want to think this will not have anything to do with "their" long term plans. I guess it really is true that ignorance is bliss. Funny, I didn't feel like a ** (sounds like Nah Tse). It doesn't fit in the discussion, any way you look at it. Next time you want to make a ** post like that, don't. Next time you feel the need to post, you shouldn't, but at least use your MAIN. I'm sure we all, with may be the exception of the other alt posters , would appreciate it. On topic, I'm in it for the fun. If you aren't having fun in this game, then find a way... otherwise, what's the point of paying for a game? So, the more people having fun, the better. In LIH, I made it a point to have fun when Satan and Shin were having fun with the miners and NPC'rs that didn't know any better... we rarely got the upper hand, but it was fun none the less. I still don't know how you got out of that dictor bubble, Kick EDIT: Interesting that particular word would be censored, but meh. There's the phonetic for it.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.01 04:06:00 - [280] Originally by: Slowboat Gods Nez.. your really starting to sound like a true BOB suck up. What, are you shooting for an invite from them? Far from it... one day I hope to see an alliance give BoB a run for their money or even destroy them at their own game. I have my own reasons for posting what I do... and none of them are because I wish BoB to succeed. What I do hope is that EVE pilots and alliances start realising that there is a template for unlimited territorial success in this game.. and that so far BoB as an alliance have the best understanding of it. But I don't expect you to believe me.. you sound a bit too wrapped in your anti-BoB stance to be subjective.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.01 04:39:00 - [281] Edited by: Nez Perces on 01/11/2006 04:45:09 .. just thought I would add some more to what I just wrote... Lets think about timescales and EVE... How long has the game got left? Lets assume that the node drops, qeueing and all other lag related horrors are tackled by CCP and the game keeps improving... we could still have a fairly healthy game in 5 years time... its not absurd to assume this. Do we really want to see BoB still at the top of the food chain in 5 years time? I know I don't, even if I was in BoB. The mere thought of not having a decent competitor 5 years down the line would be sufficient to cancel my subscription. Now according to the OP and many posters in this thread the way to avoid what I have described from happening is to gangbang BoB now, today, ASAP .... and destroy them whilst they are busy with ASCN. .... WRONG... .. what Alliances/entities in EVE need to do is to stop focusing on BoB so much and focus on their own shortcomings.. once these have been overcome and they are as efficient and deadly as BoB, then BoB won't even be an issue anymore, they will be just one more alliance out of several outstanding alliances. There is a skill point plateau above which the only determining factor for success on the battlefield is FC quality and an ability to follow orders. FC quality is inherent in many EVE players, it simply needs nourishing and most people can do basic fleet manouvres, once they know how. A lot can be achieved in EVE in a relatively short period of time....put it this way... if BoB are still the best alliance 5 years down the line.. I will be very disappointed.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.01 09:54:00 - [282] Originally by: Nez Perces .. what Alliances/entities in EVE need to do is to stop focusing on BoB so much and focus on their own shortcomings.. once these have been overcome and they are as efficient and deadly as BoB, then BoB won't even be an issue anymore, they will be just one more alliance out of several outstanding alliances. Love Nez or hate, him, the above are some of the truest words ever uttered on these forums. Everyone is so busy trying to be "better than BoB" or trying to find a bandwagon to jump on that will "put BoB down" that they are overlooking the very simple point Nez has just made. You can't spin this; it's just too simple and realistic. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Coupo Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 22:07:00 - [283] Quote: So far - NO COMMERCIALS!!! make one, make it funny and we might run it. you can contact us via the forums accessable on the bobonair.com site :P I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:42:00 - [284] ASCN loose PS - ANZACs set BOB to 10+ BOB retains outpost control ANZACs rent space - ASCN now set to -10 to ANZACs if offer is accepted - ASCN on the backfoot - even with thier fountain successes. Anacrhy Online continouing to build their influence in syndicate - wonder how they are in the BOB and ASCN standings. Trouble brewing on BOB borders - ASCN on the retreat RA and the coalation fighting in the east. Depending how long bob continue other factions now rise up to challange their power - interesting tiems ahead
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:59:00 - [285] Originally by: Miss Overlord ASCN loose PS - ANZACs set BOB to 10+ BOB retains outpost control ANZACs rent space - ASCN now set to -10 to ANZACs if offer is accepted - ASCN on the backfoot - even with thier fountain successes. Anacrhy Online continouing to build their influence in syndicate - wonder how they are in the BOB and ASCN standings. Trouble brewing on BOB borders - ASCN on the retreat RA and the coalation fighting in the east. Depending how long bob continue other factions now rise up to challange their power - interesting tiems ahead If your going to post flame bait at least make it semi-accurate flame bait. According to sources Anzac's leadership decided on this move without talking to the membership.. which has caused some internal issues for the corp. As of DT BOB's gains have turned into losses as both H8 and GQ2 are back in ASCN's hands resulting in a net loss of 1 station for BOB and friends.
Mr AtLanTis God's of Eve	Posted - 2006.11.02 06:10:00 - [286] Originally by: Slowboat Originally by: Miss Overlord ASCN loose PS - ANZACs set BOB to 10+ BOB retains outpost control ANZACs rent space - ASCN now set to -10 to ANZACs if offer is accepted - ASCN on the backfoot - even with thier fountain successes. Anacrhy Online continouing to build their influence in syndicate - wonder how they are in the BOB and ASCN standings. Trouble brewing on BOB borders - ASCN on the retreat RA and the coalation fighting in the east. Depending how long bob continue other factions now rise up to challange their power - interesting tiems ahead If your going to post flame bait at least make it semi-accurate flame bait. According to sources Anzac's leadership decided on this move without talking to the membership.. which has caused some internal issues for the corp. As of DT BOB's gains have turned into losses as both H8 and GQ2 are back in ASCN's hands resulting in a net loss of 1 station for BOB and friends. is this ANZAC's 2nd time leaving an alliance inorder to be able to dock into an outpost in paragon soul?
ANZAC INC	Posted - 2006.11.02 09:05:00 - [287] Originally by: Mr AtLanTis is this ANZAC's 2nd time leaving an alliance inorder to be able to dock into an outpost in paragon soul? No
Law Zix ANZAC ALLIANCE	Posted - 2006.11.02 09:16:00 - [288] Originally by: Mr AtLanTis is this ANZAC's 2nd time leaving an alliance inorder to be able to dock into an outpost in paragon soul?[/quote No Aussie's & Kiwi's join the ANZAC channel
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:34:00 - [289] Can someone give me a synopsis of what happened with ANZAC? I remember them being part of MWA alliance and then they went over to ASCN. And now they are +10 to bob. What gives?
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:36:00 - [290] Bandwagoners trying to get their stuff out. === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Amon 'Chakai FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:45:00 - [291] tjooh as one poster was asking before.. has that titan been used in anything but support role or is the goal to keep it safe until it's time to do finishing blow/run away aka until the very end of this war. "It's time to roll the dice.."
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.11.02 15:22:00 - [292] Edited by: NATMav on 02/11/2006 15:24:08 Originally by: Amon 'Chakai tjooh as one poster was asking before.. has that titan been used in anything but support role or is the goal to keep it safe until it's time to do finishing blow/run away aka until the very end of this war. It's only been fired once in combat that I know of, killing 3 BoB and 4 ASCN. It's not the uber system-wiping weapon it was trumped up to be, it only hits ships in the same grid (a mass of BoB ships ~450KM away were missed), and the damage can be easily tanked if setup for it. Editing for clarity Originally by:* Goberth Ludwig **** what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Amon 'Chakai FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.02 15:33:00 - [293] mmk, Knew about that one time, though it would have been used after it aswell in other than support missions otherwise have to doubt it's cost/effectiviness ratio. Though that motherships etc can do almost same role. "It's time to roll the dice.."
Mr AtLanTis God's of Eve	Posted - 2006.11.02 17:45:00 - [294] Originally by: Law Zix Originally by: Mr AtLanTis is this ANZAC's 2nd time leaving an alliance inorder to be able to dock into an outpost in paragon soul?[/quote No So, ANZAC runs away from its Alliance the first chance it gets when its region is threatened?
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 21:46:00 - [295] Originally by: Mr AtLanTis So, ANZAC runs away from its Alliance the first chance it gets when its region is threatened? As is advisable for all posters on EVE-O, avoid discussion of topics of which you have no knowledge. I for one am glad to be flying alongside my long time friends once again. BoB has a long history with Anza, including the fact that the majority of Evols Aussie wing are X-members. Welcome home.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 22:26:00 - [296] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: DB Preacher satan = fragm? dbp Do I write like FragM? WTF... well that's what I thought. So like, were you flying Fragm's char because afaik it was him we hit into structure, not you? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Misinformed soldier Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.02 22:49:00 - [297] ASCN is practically xetic, and with that established. Larger numbers of rich (more) skilled pvpers will always have a better chance at beating just the rich alone. Whos fighting in whos territory? Je dTteste alliances.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.03 04:10:00 - [298] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: DB Preacher satan = fragm? dbp Do I write like FragM? WTF... You would have my undying pity if you did ----------------- Victory or death! ... knitting is also an option.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.03 11:22:00 - [299] this is some Fraked out thread right here. I would like to speak my opinions on this matter, but than again, what will this lead other than the cemetery of the thousands locked threads. if it was up to me i would close this section of the forum its 95% bullsT. the other 5% are my replys. Quote:** "Don't touch the RED b
Angry Dan Caldari Widowmakers	Posted - 2006.11.03 17:39:00 - [300] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight SHAMIS WINS! ++++++++++++++++++++ Founder member of the Huzzah Federation. Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence Widowmakers director Fear my kneepads of allure!
Mr AtLanTis God's of Eve	Posted - 2006.11.03 19:58:00 - [301] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Mr AtLanTis So, ANZAC runs away from its Alliance the first chance it gets when its region is threatened? As is advisable for all posters on EVE-O, avoid discussion of topics of which you have no knowledge. I for one am glad to be flying alongside my long time friends once again. BoB has a long history with Anza, including the fact that the majority of Evols Aussie wing are X-members. Welcome home. Thanks for the ill conceived advise, but i am very knowledged in this discussion and simply stating the facts that a corp would run away from its alliance just to avoid fighting. Nothing confusing about that.
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.03 21:10:00 - [302] If a thread has over three pages, looking at it is a wrong decision.
Fedaykin Naib 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.03 21:15:00 - [303] Originally by: Plim Originally by: SATAN Originally by: DB Preacher satan = fragm? dbp Do I write like FragM? WTF... You would have my undying pity if you did LOL now thats an insult if I ever heard one. SATAN = Kickass Cause he's kickass Sorry had to do it "Long Live the Fighters!"
Gallente Vengeance Gallente News Network	Posted - 2006.11.04 21:40:00 - [304] This was the first unlocked BOB thread I found. Since it was way down on the list, I figured a friendly bump whould be in order. Do not despare. Don't make new bob threads. There are plenty off room in this on. BTW, this just in : Research have shown that 10 Hulks use 1/3 the time to mine minerals needed to buy a POS than 10 Dreads use to destroy it, modified for logistics. Sources in the south says, and I qoute : 'BoB hate POS wars, so that is what we will do. Also, fighters do not generate killmails, so that will be our primary tool of destruction.' And now, a moderator should be along shortly to close this overdue thread to, now, back to todays movie from the ancient times : 'Backdraft'. GNN News that mathers.
Sir Juri Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.04 22:47:00 - [305] Originally by: Gallente Vengeance This was the first unlocked BOB thread I found. Since it was way down on the list, I figured a friendly bump whould be in order. Do not despare. Don't make new bob threads. There are plenty off room in this on. BTW, this just in : Research have shown that 10 Hulks use 1/3 the time to mine minerals needed to buy a POS than 10 Dreads use to destroy it, modified for logistics. Sources in the south says, and I qoute : 'BoB hate POS wars, so that is what we will do. Also, fighters do not generate killmails, so that will be our primary tool of destruction.' And now, a moderator should be along shortly to close this overdue thread to, now, back to todays movie from the ancient times : 'Backdraft'. You want the thread up but a moderator "should" close it? BTW, this just in : Gallente News Network has been bought up by Rupert Murdock. Expect "Fair and balanced" news, "We report, you decide,"! **** need to make a new sig...

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