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Help They GotMyMoney
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.26 11:42:36 -
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Pissfat wrote:Help They GotMyMoney wrote:NPC alt ramblings I won't ever engage with an NPC alt further then this.
Post with you're main.
Post with you're main.
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Pissfat
Reverse Production
99
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Posted - 2015.04.26 11:46:50 -
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Help They GotMyMoney wrote:Pissfat wrote:Help They GotMyMoney wrote:NPC alt ramblings I won't ever engage with an NPC alt further then this. Post with you're main.
I will be allowed to tomorrow.
I am Winthorp you might remember me from such films as i got CCP to make signature ID's persistent through DT for their love of AU bros.
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Kellie Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
9625
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:02:09 -
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Help They GotMyMoney wrote:Post with you're main. *your.
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fido goran
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
47
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:03:40 -
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Reduce the amount of moons in high class WH's.
There will be a hard limit of capitals that can be stored unpiloted in WH's, due to the 1 tower per moon, and limited ship storage space per moon thing.
This has the knock on effect of even the largest 300 man alliance only has a limited amount of capitals for use in home defense (or more if they decide to commit holding characters to log off in spares) *hopefully* encouraging more all in fleets, even against established holes.
It may also encourage the breaking up of larger corps/alliances into more holes/other corps, due to space issues in their home.
It is a huge, disruptive change, but if the bigger entities have limited capitals in their home hole, home field advantage is reduced, invasions and evictions might happen more, in time.
I don't think that by itself that this change will promote endless pvp, but I don't know if there is a fix for being able to call in friends at a moments notice, which really is one of the bigger pressing issues that plagues C5/C6 space.
Michael1995 wrote:As for us never fighting each other; Our last fight with HK, the time before that. As far as I'm aware anyway. You linked battle reports almost 2 (7 weeks) and 3 (10 weeks) months old. I've only just rejoined SSC, but I know from my time here before that we would roll in to other big entities far more frequently than this.
I'm not going to pick fights, but honestly you have to see that the majority of Eve see's WH space fighting together far more frequently than fighting against each other.
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
145
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Posted - 2015.04.26 13:05:22 -
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Grrrr... Hard Knocks. No seriously - people need to stop making Hard Krabs/Quantum Hawks/etc. responsible for everything going on in highclass and instead look at what they can do themselves to create content. Sure, it's not nice that they tend to blob the ever-living cr*p out of people and I wouldn't want to fight them either anymore with the numbers they can throw around, but they aren't the only people left in w-space you can fight and they are certainly not responsible for anything but their own content.
Mechanically I think there are a few things that could be changed to help with PvP, but none of that can be the saving grace if people don't get off their lazy arses and start doing stuff.
*W-space in general is too big for the amount of people living there atm. It's roughly the size of sov null, but with less active people and without the luxury of being able to just fly to where the bright spots light up on the map. Shrinking it might be hard but maybe it would be possible to make it more likely (but not guranteed ofc) for a new wormhole to connect to a system when it has people active and as such artificially shrink w-space without actually removing systems.
*High class needs more conectivity. (and by that I don't mean those useless frig holes) When I think about why we (Ixtab) left our C5 for a C4 it's mostly the better connectivity of the dual static and low class in general. From our C5 the chains would often look like Home->empty C5-> empty C5->C3->HS, where as our C4 chains now look more like this (which isn't even scanned down completely because people were lazy that day^^). |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
293
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Posted - 2015.04.26 13:22:48 -
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Gonna throw in a very radical and hated idea. But several have spoken about reducing the size of wormholespace. This is actually possible without going through the "ops your system doesnt exist anymore" route. The suggestion is gates. Yes gates. And here is how: Each system can have 1 gate. And it needs a recieving gate to bond to a system. This way you can bond two systems together effectivly making them into one system (its important that you can't link the gate to a system without a gate on other side and that its a limit on one gate per system. Any more or different lets you bond more systems together and that can go all sorts of wrong). The gates require fuel of sorts (PI?) and can be disrupted by hostiles. Gates bonding c5/c6 system together can carry capitals but gates to lower classes can not (the ability for an invading force to bring gates of their own and bring capital force invasion to a c2 is out of balance). Also require the system to be "owned" in some way to avoid abuse by invading forces that doesn't put in the effort to first take over the system.
So what would this bring to the table? - Reduce the size of wormholespace - More connections/2nd static(s) to a group living there. - More to do and twice the possibility for people to roll into you
Does that sum up the solutions people have come up with so far?
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Odidi PeYo
13. Enigma Project
8
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Posted - 2015.04.26 14:07:24 -
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Since i came back to eve and wormhole space i have noticed that there is less mid class corps/alliances than we had back in 2013/14. Most of c5 space consists of farming holes or dead systems.
- Replace frigate holes with null sec ones. - Make farming in the shattered holes more rewarding and less rewarding in the normal ones. - Spawn lower class sites in higher class wormholes, enables recruitment of pilots with less sp that are eager to learn and pvp - Alliance bookmarks (never seen that request). Small groups could then join forces and move to higher class wormholes and still run their corps the way they want.
There has and there will always be a few powerhouses in wh space that will out number most corps 3-1. You don't have to fight with them if you don't want to or have the numbers to do so. Just sit in your pos and smile and wave, keep in mind that they are likely to have 20-40 ppl to entertain and they will roll for a new chain if they don't get anything out of it.
If you get ganked running sites by them well **** you had a bad day. We gank anything we se running sites and most of the time we out number the person 10-1. Just how ganking works in this game.
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Peter Moonlight
Lazerhawks
149
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Posted - 2015.04.26 14:38:08 -
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Odidi PeYo wrote:Since i came back to eve and wormhole space i have noticed that there is less mid class corps/alliances than we had back in 2013/14. Most of c5 space consists of farming holes or dead systems.
- Replace frigate holes with null sec ones. - Make farming in the shattered holes more rewarding and less rewarding in the normal ones. - Spawn lower class sites in higher class wormholes, enables recruitment of pilots with less sp that are eager to learn and pvp - Alliance bookmarks (never seen that request). Small groups could then join forces and move to higher class wormholes and still run their corps the way they want.
There has and there will always be a few powerhouses in wh space that will out number most corps 3-1. You don't have to fight with them if you don't want to or have the numbers to do so. Just sit in your pos and smile and wave, keep in mind that they are likely to have 20-40 ppl to entertain and they will roll for a new chain if they don't get anything out of it.
If you get ganked running sites by them well **** you had a bad day. We gank anything we se running sites and most of the time we out number the person 10-1. Just how ganking works in this game.
Alliance bookmarks have been suggested few hundreds of times. Yes there will be powerhouses, there is ALWAYS powerhouses in eve,wspace, kspace, mmo's, everywhere, so get over it. I saw you guys quite a lot in your chains and it's mostly you trying to higgs a wormhole and roll away from us or you were PVEing. I also went trough your killboard right now to see how you never not outnumber your enemies, and everything I saw is you outnumbering all the people who you fight, and 90% of your kills are in nullsec, and I well know that all you do is roam nullsec and cry in channels for batphones. So.. You outnumber people in wspace and take fights only you can win for sure, 80-90% of your killboard is killing ratters in nullsec, and you came here to tell someone something about "w-space powerhouses"? FYI Lazerhawks usual fleet numbers is 10-25 and most of people know that, except those that cry that we "blob" always, but it is just we are 5x better organized and we win by skill not always because of numbers, and yes we do loose ships too.
Also,
Quote: You don't have to fight with them if you don't want to or have the numbers to do so. Just sit in your pos and smile and wave.. New age is coming to w-space, I know a lot of people who would rather see an active farmhole where they might kill site runners, then guys like you who always roll away, not fight, and loose a solo farming dread in home system/static weekly.
PS: http://kb.lazerhawks.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19488
You had even more you just didn't got on all km's with everything and there was your guys who stayed on POS, but we totally blobbed you 3:1 in your home system, and we totally had more caps, riiight? |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1190
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:13:54 -
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Kellie Dusette wrote:Help They GotMyMoney wrote:Post with you're main. *your. you're*
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Jay Joringer
13. Enigma Project
436
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:17:04 -
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Peter Moonlight wrote:Alliance bookmarks have been suggested few hundreds of times. Yes there will be powerhouses, there is ALWAYS powerhouses in eve,wspace, kspace, mmo's, everywhere, so get over it. I saw you guys quite a lot in your chains and it's mostly you trying to higgs a wormhole and roll away from us or you were PVEing. I also went trough your killboard right now to see how you never not outnumber your enemies, and everything I saw is you outnumbering all the people who you fight, and 90% of your kills are in nullsec, and I well know that all you do is roam nullsec and cry in channels for batphones. So.. You outnumber people in wspace and take fights only you can win for sure, 80-90% of your killboard is killing ratters in nullsec, and you came here to tell someone something about "w-space powerhouses"? FYI Lazerhawks usual fleet numbers is 10-25 and most of people know that, except those that cry that we "blob" always, but it is just we are 5x better organized and we win by skill not always because of numbers, and yes we do loose ships too. Also, Quote: You don't have to fight with them if you don't want to or have the numbers to do so. Just sit in your pos and smile and wave.. New age is coming to w-space, I know a lot of people who would rather see an active farmhole where they might kill site runners, then guys like you who always roll away, not fight, and loose a solo farming dread in home system/static weekly. PS: http://kb.lazerhawks.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19488
You had even more you just didn't got on all km's with everything and there was your guys who stayed on POS, but we totally blobbed you 3:1 in your home system, and we totally had more caps, riiight?
I don't see anything in Odi's post about Lazerhawks, so I don't see why you are getting precious about how you guys operate. We don't have any problems with how you guys do things, but if you're going to have digs at us, you really ought to know what you're talking about. Nothing in your post suggest to me that you do.
While I'm glad you've so shrewdly picked apart our killboard, I'm sure I don't need to tell you that they do tell the whole story, right? Any moron knows that the battle reports don't always show every ship that was on field.
I know of one occasion we tactically massed a midpoint hole in our chain. We were expecting you guys to bring a fleet our way. The massing was there to prevent any engagement escalating into a cap brawl that wouldn't favour us. Then your fleet went some place else. But by all means jump to some dull conclusion rather than take my word for it.
The "calling for batphones" part is awesome. Truly. There's been one occasion. One. And now we get smacktalked about it by Lazerhawks of all people. There's some idiom about pots and kettles that springs to mind...
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Help They GotMyMoney
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:29:07 -
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Peter Moonlight wrote: You outnumber people in wspace and take fights only you can win for sure, 80-90% of your killboard is killing ratters in nullsec, and you came here to tell someone something about "w-space powerhouses"? FYI Lazerhawks usual fleet numbers is 10-25 and most of people know that, except those that cry that we "blob" always, but it is just we are 5x better organized and we win by skill not always because of numbers, and yes we do loose ships too.
That was a sarcastic self-haze right?
Edit: we fight each other at any given chance.
Post with you're main.
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Kellie Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
9631
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:18:42 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Kellie Dusette wrote:Help They GotMyMoney wrote:Post with you're main. *your. you're* Kellie explain for you, little body, big heart.
"Jester, your face!"
"Jester, you're an ass!"
You can for see now this one make a different?
Even Kellie for know of this, and Kellie for struggle very many much with a talk. Fly a Buzzard.
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Lucius Kalari
Limited Power Inc
4
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:20:44 -
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I think the comments have gone slightly off topic.
I'm all for no cap escalations, but I have a feeling people would go and do incursions instead rather than make people go farm the static. I think we can all agree that shattered wormholes are unbelievably terrible and I believe someone mentioned before about making them more profitable than standard wormholes, I think this is a good idea. Putting gates in wormhole space is an awful idea and so is making wormhole act like gates (As in they're there on overview ready to warp to,) equally as bad.
I have seen plenty of frigate holes that haven't lead to any kills because there isn't really much you can take on in frigate/destroyer fleet unless you are ganking something or jumping into a wolf rayet, and even then you can only bring frig logi which realistically isn't great. Instead of frigate holes, why not convert them to standard wormholes, but keep the rate of them spawning? I would prefer this rather than higher class wormholes having dual statics.
I'm probably right by saying that it has already been mentioned, but why not have something like low-grade moon goo? Give people reasons to come to wormhole space.
If I have preached what has already been mentioned as an idea, I apologise, but I think it's better than crying about who batphones who, or who blobs who blah blah blah. Lets just put ideas out there to try and help make wormholes a better a place, because surely that's what we all want? |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
90
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:30:43 -
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Make farming C5/C6 sites much easier & cut blue isk by half from cap escalations. Remove all dreads, leave carriers. Dual statics for C5. Maybe 3 statics for C6 {make em really deadly} |
Peter Moonlight
Lazerhawks
149
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:47:16 -
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Jay Joringer wrote:Peter Moonlight wrote:Alliance bookmarks have been suggested few hundreds of times. Yes there will be powerhouses, there is ALWAYS powerhouses in eve,wspace, kspace, mmo's, everywhere, so get over it. I saw you guys quite a lot in your chains and it's mostly you trying to higgs a wormhole and roll away from us or you were PVEing. I also went trough your killboard right now to see how you never not outnumber your enemies, and everything I saw is you outnumbering all the people who you fight, and 90% of your kills are in nullsec, and I well know that all you do is roam nullsec and cry in channels for batphones. So.. You outnumber people in wspace and take fights only you can win for sure, 80-90% of your killboard is killing ratters in nullsec, and you came here to tell someone something about "w-space powerhouses"? FYI Lazerhawks usual fleet numbers is 10-25 and most of people know that, except those that cry that we "blob" always, but it is just we are 5x better organized and we win by skill not always because of numbers, and yes we do loose ships too. Also, Quote: You don't have to fight with them if you don't want to or have the numbers to do so. Just sit in your pos and smile and wave.. New age is coming to w-space, I know a lot of people who would rather see an active farmhole where they might kill site runners, then guys like you who always roll away, not fight, and loose a solo farming dread in home system/static weekly. PS: http://kb.lazerhawks.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19488
You had even more you just didn't got on all km's with everything and there was your guys who stayed on POS, but we totally blobbed you 3:1 in your home system, and we totally had more caps, riiight? I don't see anything in Odi's post about Lazerhawks, so I don't see why you are getting precious about how you guys operate. We don't have any problems with how you guys do things, but if you're going to have digs at us, you really ought to know what you're talking about. Nothing in your post suggest to me that you do. While I'm glad you've so shrewdly picked apart our killboard, I'm sure I don't need to tell you that they do tell the whole story, right? Any moron knows that the battle reports don't always show every ship that was on field. I know of one occasion we tactically massed a midpoint hole in our chain. We were expecting you guys to bring a fleet our way. The massing was there to prevent any engagement escalating into a cap brawl that wouldn't favour us. Then your fleet went some place else. But by all means jump to some dull conclusion rather than take my word for it. The "calling for batphones" part is awesome. Truly. There's been one occasion. One. And now we get smacktalked about it by Lazerhawks of all people. There's some idiom about pots and kettles that springs to mind... We're a "powerhouse" obviously and you treated us and some others the way he described which I personally don't like. |
dexter xio
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
73
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:54:25 -
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hi
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Angux Thermopyle
Negative Density
33
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:28:18 -
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One idea.
Towers are tied to POCO's at Barren or Temperate Planets for Fuel (or some type of unique material the tower needs from a planet).
POCO's send NPC convoy at a set time determined by POCO owner to bring fuel to towers. Size of the tower determines how big the NPC escort fleet is and how dangerous it is.
NPC convoy flys 40k off POCO then warps to tower Convoy shows up on D-Scan or Combat Probes If Convoy is attacked and killed it drops fuel (or special item) which can be scooped and sold for profit. Alerts are sent out that your convoy is under attack
If convoy does not arrive at tower then: 1 Day - No effect 2 Day- No effect 3 Day- Industry Processes Slow down 50% 4 Day- Industry Processes Stop 5 Day- No additional effect 6 Day- Tower is Reinforced 7 Day- Tower offlines
THE CONVOY MUST GET THROUGH
Optional- PvE Sleepers can interdict your convoys. Or Drifters... or giant space squids... whatever. They won't leave that POCO till someone kills them. The Sleeper goup difficulty is determined by WH Class
Benefits: -Removes time / resource consuming fuel runs -Small gangs can interdict fuel convoys for profit -Sieges without having to seed or extract -Its a way to put pressure on someone without a full on eviction but takes time -Larger groups can send detachments of pilots to do this in multiple WH's and train small unit leaders -Smaller defending entities have a chance get a plan together, get in help in or hire Mercs.
Its a big mechanics change but I think this process could apply to many more areas of EvE besides WH's. |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
160
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:56:45 -
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G0hme wrote:Newt BlackCompany wrote: Yes. Wormhole space matters to the game. I am not surprised to see someone from PL asking this, but not everyone likes nullsec politics and shenanigans and Wormhole space is a different way to enjoy this game.
You should probably just have quoted the first question as thats the only thing you answered. And for the record. I've lived longer in Wspace than your character has existed in this game. I though you meant getting more meaning to w-space? If so we should push CCP to do what Rhavas proposed in this blog : https://interstellarprivateer.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/naming-rights-2/
No local in null sec would fix everything!
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Siginek
BAND of MAGNUS THE R0NIN
14
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:02:24 -
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On suggestion of lazerhawks there is created topic about lack of pvp in wormhole and yet, they and their "friends" are main reason of this problem, because they are responsible of end of most groups that could/would provide actual pvp ... and when some pvp comes they just blob everyone ... Right? ... i wonder why there is no actual pvp for you |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
160
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:09:49 -
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calaretu wrote:Gonna throw in a very radical and hated idea. But several have spoken about reducing the size of wormholespace. This is actually possible without going through the "ops your system doesnt exist anymore" route. The suggestion is gates. Yes gates. And here is how: Each system can have 1 gate. And it needs a recieving gate to bond to a system. This way you can bond two systems together effectivly making them into one system (its important that you can't link the gate to a system without a gate on other side and that its a limit on one gate per system. Any more or different lets you bond more systems together and that can go all sorts of wrong). The gates require fuel of sorts (PI?) and can be disrupted by hostiles. Gates bonding c5/c6 system together can carry capitals but gates to lower classes can not (the ability for an invading force to bring gates of their own and bring capital force invasion to a c2 is out of balance). Also require the system to be "owned" in some way to avoid abuse by invading forces that doesn't put in the effort to first take over the system.
So what would this bring to the table? - Reduce the size of wormholespace - More connections/2nd static(s) to a group living there. - More to do and twice the possibility for people to roll into you
Does that sum up the solutions people have come up with so far? Gates, realy? You must be trolling, big alliances would just string them to gether to be even more invincible... .
No local in null sec would fix everything!
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Tim Nering
R3d Fire
48
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:46:11 -
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just becuase they outnumber you 10:1 doesnt mean for a second that u can not fight them. Red Fire's response to being a small corp in the era of the "wormhole cfc"
so im not an expert in everything wormholes but i am a expert in being a small corp. Here is what Red Fire does when i got 4 dudes and i got isogen 5 over there with 10 dudes. or maybe lzhx with infinity dudes.
i just uh..... tell them that. just be fkin honest about it and try to arrange the fight.
"hey i only got 4 dudes online im waiting for u at the sun, bring whatever u think u want to kill me, fyi FRAPS is running." that little line right there is what gets me so much respect from people i find. they make it a 4v4 or a 2v2.
look it is going to be a long time before i can throw down caps and t3s or whatever to fight these guys so i dont pretend that i can. so i call it the Red fire pvp event and make it a game. people respond really well to it and i get some action.
off the top of my head i did this with blue-fire (didnt show up to fight me), isogen 5 (we got shrekt), some french corp i cant remember (won a 2v2 at the sun), ADHC (killed 2 legions with myrm + hype \m/), SUPREME MATHEMATICS (did a lot of frig 1v1s, lost 2 incursus), codename47 which i believe diabanded? (no kills got away in structure tho).
i never did this with hk, lzhx, qex or ssc. tbh havent gotten the chance yet. the most i see of them is running down the chains to highsec or whatever. but i imagine they would do the same thing. also the last time i ran into hk and lzhx they were having an all out t3 brawl 1 jump away from me, i tried to roll the chain and well.... lzhx ganked mah rolling sht... noooooo. XDXDXDXD
if you want fights just say so. ppl will fight you. especially a group that is bigger than you! they are prob just so shocked that u havent possed up and logged out. its that whole wormhole honor thing. and if ur a small group like be just... just be real man. tell them whats up and it kinda makes them wan2 make it fair. |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
266
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:50:07 -
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So much bad blood in this thread :sadface:
I've been in w-space now for some one and a half years or so, doing 99% of my pvp solo (if you see others on my killmails, chances are I was double-/triple-boxing).
Looking back I've actually gotten good and/or fair fights from pretty much all of the big entities, and I'm not talking ganks of LZHX or NOHO (RIP) mining barges happily mining away in their respective home systems gg.
All it takes is being a little pro-active, stalking them until you find a good moment to pounce or just trying to separate individuals from the larger group, if you're being outnumbered. Believe it or not, but I see members of the big corps roaming through the chain regularly in groups of 5-10 people, so there is a certain window of opportunity to go after them. I guess most people don't do it, however, because they're afraid of being blobbed or want to +1 them themselves to be safe ... just to miss that window of opportunity in the end.
It's a lil' funny then to read so many complaints about some groups fielding too many guys, when the same thing is being done by the medium sized corps to even smaller gangs or solo pilots like me. In my experience it's actually more likely to get an interesting engagement from the big groups because the smaller ones will often not warp to me before they've assembled an overwhelming force. Why that is, I don't know. Probably because they're just starving for content and everyone wants to be part of it. And I don't blame them ...
I feel like w-space needs a change of mentality/attitude rather than a change of mechanics.
People need to develop a better awareness of the opportunities that are out there right now. If you're slow to react you'll always be the one to draw the short straw.
On the other hand, if someone wins 95% of their fights, then they're clearly not doing enough to achieve a healthy balance. Matching number of pilots on both sides is seldom feasible, because noone can be expected to stay back while the rest of his/her corpies go out to have fun, but it's always possible to ship down. "But we're just so much better than all the other folks, we win even after shipping down!" I say, bring an even weaker setup. Leave logi at home, pass on using e-war. If one group continuously curb stomps the other, it loses the right to complain. |
Raquel Saissore
Lazerhawks
0
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:56:51 -
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Siginek wrote:On suggestion of lazerhawks there is created topic about lack of pvp in wormhole and yet, they and their "friends" are main reason of this problem, because they are responsible of end for most groups that could/would provide actual pvp ... and when some pvp comes they just blob everyone ... Right? ... i wonder why cant you find any pvp in high-class wormholes
Salty.
Maybe don't roll c6 when you know there is a huge op happening, what did you expect to happen, us have the fleet ignore you? If you guys had any logic you would have ignored the connection and waited for us to roll it.
As for linking exceptional loses like that doesn't fool anyone that knows what's actually going on in high class wormholes. |
Siginek
BAND of MAGNUS THE R0NIN
14
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:58:40 -
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Raquel Saissore wrote:Siginek wrote:On suggestion of lazerhawks there is created topic about lack of pvp in wormhole and yet, they and their "friends" are main reason of this problem, because they are responsible of end for most groups that could/would provide actual pvp ... and when some pvp comes they just blob everyone ... Right? ... i wonder why cant you find any pvp in high-class wormholes Salty. Maybe don't roll c6 when you know there is a huge op happening, what did you expect to happen, us have the fleet ignore you? If you guys had any logic you would have ignored the connection and waited for us to roll it. As for linking exceptional loses like that doesn't fool anyone that knows what's actually going on in high class wormholes.
Yeah ... right ... eviction of another active WH corp ... im sure that will help to improve pvp life in high-class wormholes ... |
Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
42852
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Posted - 2015.04.26 20:58:55 -
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Jack Miton wrote:it's really easy. you take all the 300man groups, make them into 50-100 man groups and remove all their blues. This.
Ab'del Abu wrote:I feel like w-space needs a change of mentality/attitude rather than a change of mechanics. And this.
The issue is 100% social, not environmental or mechanical at all.
Both of those quotes literally sum up the whole thing, imo. But being realistic is anything going to change in a social context or in the mindset of wormholers/wormhole groups? Of course not. It's much easier to keep doing what we're doing and ask CCP to change the playing field instead.
This situation isn't inherantly bad though, in my opinion it's a natural evolution of the culture in wormholes (or any part of space as it grows and evolves). It ebbs and flows though, as blue-groups have fallings-out and big players eventually failscade (and they all do/will eventually). But it will keep moving in the direction it's moving now ultimately. So in the end it's unrealistic to expect a change in culture and perhaps looking for changes to mechanics is the only realistic solution.
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
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MooMooDachshundCow
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There have been some very helpful responses in this thread about corporation management and content creation. Very inspirational, reminds me about how wormhole space is supposed to be for more serious players than the rest of Eve. That was always a draw for me.
I feel like this thread is asking for major changes and wild ideas. I think the dual static for C5s or C6s could be a boon for the reasons people listed. The fact it would make farmers harder to hide is an ancillary benefit. Other changes to pve that encourage groups over single members would be good too, since they encourage an actual organization instead of just a bunch of friendly solo players with a co-defense pact. Fixing warp to zeros and multi day farming would be good starts.
As an incredibly controversial idea, what if the killing of rats actually increased the chance of spawning a new type of wormhole. This wh type would start in C5/6 space and lead to whatever space had ratting in it. The WH would have a new type that was very short lived but high mass. I think this sort of mechanic would be a good one to add because it would serve to make it easier for active members of WH space to find one another without a major change to something fundamental like number of systems. If these were made to lead to null also to allow killing ratting carriers and such would be a nice benefit as well.
There are many different styles of pvp in wh space. I've always been more of a fan of scanning and ganking, so I'd prefer changes which give more advantage to patient skillful players over the casual sloppy ones. At the same time, as someone who attempts to lead a small organization, making WH space harder to live in, or less lucrative, makes it harder for me to maintain the numbers which ultimately give me the ability to bring pvp to anyone. As such, I'm torn and I don't propose to have the answers. I just continue to try to build my group and bring content for everyone.
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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Betti Betty
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.26 21:16:34 -
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just want to be part of the discussion ^ |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.04.26 21:18:52 -
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Kellie Dusette wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:Kellie Dusette wrote:Help They GotMyMoney wrote:Post with you're main. *your. you're* Kellie explain for you, little body, big heart. "Jester, your face!" "Jester, you're an ass!" You can for see now this one make a different? Even Kellie for know of this, and Kellie for struggle very many much with a talk. Fly a Buzzard. your*
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Aimee Arbosa
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
407
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Posted - 2015.04.26 21:21:57 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:your* Watch your tongue erino.
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Help They GotMyMoney
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.26 21:29:10 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:Aivo Dresden wrote:You could have easily taken on TDSIN on your own. Instead you call in the whole gang. This is how I know you're just another pitchforker. Who did we bring to evict TDSIN, exactly? It's pure LZHX in here. Bombers Bar came to third-party harass because it was being streamed, but this is a Lazerhawks only operation. Do some research, check your facts before you spout ignorance.
Yes.
Post with you're main.
Lazerhawks: ¨we are 5x better organized and we win by skill not always because of numbers¨
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