Make C7 wh. Make them monsters. Give them lots of moons. Give them dual statics. Static 1 is always to another c7. Give that connection liberal mass limits. NO SUPERS in wh space, but a c7/c7 connection that supports dropping 6 caps through it. You can put 3 in and get them back OR you can go all in and drop the fleet through. Make the second static any of the other flavors of wh. Make the c7 limited in number. This will give large groups that want to do wh pvp on a large scale a place to be big and do big things. The other details (amount of effect bonus and such) can be hashed out by the numbers nerds.

The difference between shattered (which are struggling to find a place) and C7 as proposed is pretty large.

C7 w/ moons means folks can move in. They can be evicted. They can build and that can then be destroyed.

Shattered are just multi connected battlegrounds that really aren't being used that much.

If I've leaned anything over the past decade (more or less) it's that adding more PVE plus signs has never improved the game. Oh I get that they are needed, but they don't make the game better. When I say game I'm referring to pvp (epic fight, hauler gank at a customs office, ganking a pve fleet). Red Plus Signs DO NOT make better content. PVE is a means to isk. The eve community is smart enough as a whole to disect any pve that CCP lays at our feet and post a guide for by the end of the week. Red plus signs are not the answer to more fun.

Just as any new PVE will be mastered quickly, any change to pve that 'drives conflict' or 'creates content' will also quickly be broken down and 'safe farming' will be mastered. It's what we do folks, and we're good at it. Moving farming to the static will more than likely add as much content to the game as the mass/range change did.

Another thought w/ C7 wh. All the good, marginal and outright terrible ideas that have been put forth in this thread can all, any or not be implimented in them. It would be an empty canvas. Go nuts CCP - create. And it's create on the cheap I would think. Just add a few systems and optimize them for large wh groups. The mandatory c7/c7 connection would be the key to conflict. It would make a c7 honey hole not possible. You can even throw in some cool extra benefit for being there (and I personally don't care what that would be).

CCP theoretically has that opportunity currently with the Shattered Wormholes. Its pretty much a completely new and open space which they could "cater and create" the content needed to handle large wspace groups.

There is a finite amount of people that can really handle 1 wormhole before they either split apart or leave. Every Large Wspace Alliance entity has hit that mark. They outnumber and outgun whoever they run into and pretty much complain about dead content because nobody can really have a outright brawl with them at a moments notice (the 5 cruisers at the sun is merely a fun stopgap).

This was going on in 2012 (this is hardly new, the names have simply changed). Wspace mechanics are fine for the most part, but the space needs to be expanded, NOT contracted. I think the Shattered Systems can hold the solution to that (because they are essentially untouched, and can be modified and changed with little to zero blow-back from the community.

A solution? I don't have it. I see an opportunity, a rare one that hasn't existed in wspace for the past 5 years. Its evolving with the storyline, and CCP has the chance to make a totally new method of sandbox play in wspace to help with the pvp stagnation of c5 and c6 space.

That is how I see it. Any change to wspace itself will be met with A TON of criticism (as merely the topic of this thread has caused). So instead, I would look towards what has not been used and see what can be done to make the game play go there.

Honestly, there are only a few people complaining about WH PVP that I know of. I think W-space is in a good spot right now.

Lets learn a lesson from the terribleness of C6 space. It sucks because it is too small and it is too easy to hit specific hole - both for offense and defense. Removing C5s or making a new, even smaller C7 space would be even worse.

The solution might lie in the shattered holes, as was said before. Nerf "home" income, force people to farm other holes, make shattereds more profitable and more likely to get connected to. They should be the "gold mines" we might want to access by leaving the isolated safety of our homes and which also attract those who'd like to kill us. Make farming homesites and expos much less profitable, lets get rich by farming where it would actually be risky.

Vote in a CSM who actually lives in wormhole space not a goon pet.

*High class needs more connectivity. (and by that I don't mean those useless frig holes)
When I think about why we (Ixtab) left our C5 for a C4 it's mostly the better connectivity of the dual static and low class in general. From our C5 the chains would often look like Home->empty C5-> empty C5->C3->HS, where as our C4 chains now look more like this (which isn't even scanned down completely because people were lazy that day^^).

There's a mechanic lacking to force content on people. In lowsec and nullsec the moon goo cash machines act as a conflict driver. One R64 moon can provide billions of ISK income for zero real effort (or close to zero) for a whole alliance.

#RecallCorbexx.

I'm still waiting for Chance Ravine to weigh in on this.

He's only 2 minutes in to a 30 minute spree of staring at a Retriever wondering if it's bait before attacking it and discovering it is actually AFK. Give him time.

So I've had some one ask for me to look in to how we can try to increase pvp in the higher class wormholes and who was also worried that I was spending to much time sorting pve out for w space.

Firstly I'm still of the opinion that better pve and increasing getting people in to space is the way to increase pvp. The lower class wormholes have all done better since the pve changes along with dual statics of C4.

The biggest issue I see with pvp in C5 and C6 is that its a player driven issue, not mechanics. Atleast to me, the biggest issue is all the grouping up, which then leads to a vicious circle. Oh they teamed up, we wont fight them, their bound to have friends this time again. etc etc

I've spoke to a couple people who are much better at player behaviour and theyall agree this is incrediby hard to change, if its even possible at all.

What I'd like is suggestions on how we could maybe increase pvp in the higher class wormholes.

Hidden fremen has already asked some people in his corp and he's sent me a list of some ideas, some admittingly controversial.

I'll list them below and keep this updated as more people suggest ideas.

Ideals from Hidden Fremen and Lazerhawks

Rewarding PvP active corps (harder to evict). Some Incursion-esque home system bonus.
Mass:spawn range when jumping wormholes kills small corp PvP tactics. True. Increases non-consensual PvP, but decreases consensual.
Getting podded into k-space and not in your WH home makes people more risk-averse. Controversial.
Give wormholes stargate treatment in that they appear on overview; no scanning needed. VERY controversial.
Reducing the number of wormholes. This would obviously increase encounters between players.

He's only 2 minutes in to a 30 minute spree of staring at a Retriever wondering if it's bait before attacking it and discovering it is actually AFK. Give him time.

How about making wormhole spawn rate based on sleepers kill rate? The more sleepers you kill the more wormholes you will get. That would create more connections between used systems and force wh pve entities to be ready for pvp when doing sites.

So will any of these bizarre ideas listed in the OP actually be put forward to CCP like they are an agreed upon consensus of WH space communities views or will you just be pointing them in the direction of this thread Corbexx?

As for rolling your hole safe, low class inhabitants do it too. Many groups actually collapse the holes in their statics as well, if they're going to run sites there. So much for content^^

Remove capital escalation farming from home sites

Plus replace capital escalations by something equally 'lucrative' but cruiser/BS level. ?