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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:33:00 -
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Nicely done ccp. I just bought 80mils worht of bookmarks, i guess they'll be only usfull for uintill kali hits.
I hope you dont remove all bookmarks but i def wont be complaining if i find warp to 0 and all my gate to gates delted.
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BlackMoon Thrawn
Minmatar
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:34:00 -
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Its actually really great news for pvp. More people will be inclined to travel to regions they may not have had bms for in the past. They need to let people know if they are going to implement this, then remove all bms and make the new ones for personal use only. No copying. I cant imagine how well the cluster is going to run without all those bms to keep track of in the database. I am getting goosebumps just thinking about it .
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Rakeris on 03/11/2006 20:35:47
Awesome! Great to hear! I'll be more than happy to get rid of my insta BMs! ^^
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
CURSED LEGION OF DOOM
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:39:00 -
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I'd be much happier with a warp to within 3km instead of warp to zero. Gives us pirates a little more of a chance 
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Ishara Da'Ahn
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:43:00 -
[65]
Can I get an "Amen" my Brethren?
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Jane Spondogolo
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:44:00 -
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Suggestion to CCP:
Warp to zero for slow ships. Warp to 20 for inties.
Im an interceptor pilot, after maybe a year of slow as hell battleships.
Theres no way even warp to 1 is useful as a battleship. Too slow and makes moving a T2 sniper out of home system unfeasable.
On the other hand, theres no need for instas on a good inty. After recently taking up intys its like freedom. Land at a gate camped by 20 guys, hammer aproach gate, mash jump.
no kill.
I love this game again finally.
But the trick is, base gate distance on speed of ship. If your slow, your warp drive is "stable"
A crazed fast ship like an inty has no **** aim. 20kms off gate. Not that it matters, Im faster than you.
Seriously, I think this is the answer. Also I need to cut down the alcohol beep beep
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:47:00 -
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Awesome!
Hope it makes it to TQ.
Just to re-iterate.
1) Most combat takes place on the jump in to a system (not the exit)
2) People warp to 0 all the time now if they are manually piloting. This measure only kills lag.
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JohnTheBaptist
Astronomic Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:57:00 -
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Well im on the test server looking at this now, and I must say I just deleted the bm's I had on my char there as I dont need them anymore.
Guess it works 
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Yumi Katanawe
Caldari
Demon Womb
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:06:00 -
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instabm's = eve version of feign pulling
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Scorp Monger
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:07:00 -
[70]
 Originally by: Reiisha
Just remove bookmarks, no need to introduce a warp to 0 option.... for obvious reasons, if you think a little.
Hail to entire alliance fleets moving into whatever system they like, wherever in eve, within an hour or 2 at most. No need for scouting or whatever!
If you are in a corp/aliance that is moving fleets with no prepared BMs then I understand your point. But who would do that? No one who want to survive!
And ... if you have that BMs and are not scouting then you have to be very optimistic. I do not know any FC who would allow something like that. That is just sucide or lemming tactics.
How ever, that is something what had to be done and if it should hit TQ, i will have at least a week of party!
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Able Citizen
True Core
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:07:00 -
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This seems relatively minor, but a warp to 0km may diminish the immersiveness by shooting ships into gates and such.
Making a warp to 2k or increasing the distance from which you can activate the gate and warp (say, to 3.5k and then adding a warp to 3.5k option) would accomplish the same goal (making instas moot) and not affect the immersiveness of g2g travel.
I would forecast a boost in the market for mobile warp distruptors as well. 
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Syrann
The Praxis Initiative
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:08:00 -
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It reduces Lag.
It opens up 0.0 to the unexperienced / unprepared (that means MORE kills... for the record).
It makes it easier to raid enemy territory.
It makes dictors even more valuable.
It gives you something else to whine about on the forums (what more could you ask for!!)
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Donov
Caldari
StarHunt
The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:13:00 -
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GREAT IDEA i love this idea a lot. i just think removing bmks alltogether would be a bad idea puerly because of safespots and as someone else mentioned agent missions uses bmks. so... if bookmarks are changed then ALL agent missions will need to be changed. perhaps ccp should have some bot system to delete all bmks near gates (they run off coordinates after all) or perhaps you should have warp to co-ordinate option for safespots :P
as for gate camps well there are warp bubbles and interdictors which will still effect warping in i should hope and yea we should bring large warp bubbles back!!! i have NEVER seen a large ever.
just my 2 isk. ;)
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Michayel Lyon
Contention Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:17:00 -
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What can I say, except "Finally!"
This change marks, in my eyes, a new beginning for EVE. From one single, minor alteration of game mechanics, the following will be accomplished.
1) Better server performance!!!
No need to handle 100 million bookmarks (or whatever the number was), with database transfers on EVERY session change for every user.
2) Reduce the gap between new and old players.
No need to buy/create instas.
3) Make relocation easier.
No need to buy/create instas.
4) Give the illusion of safer low-sec/0.0 travel.
If you have instas everywhere, you're close to invincible right? This will lead to more young players in low-sec/0.0, which will mean more targets for budding pirates. Because safety is really not much more than an illusion...
5) Nerf the invinci-sniper (together with new nerfed WCS)
You can still camp gates, but now you actually need to sit on top of the gate (or have friends on the other side) if you want to take on targets going in both directions. Good thing then that all ships will have 50 % more HP, and thus be able to tank sentries a little better.
... and probably a few others...
To all the whining pirates out there: Adapt or die! Most people in low-sec/0.0 use instas today, and people still die. Neither instas nor this new change can overcome an interdictor or warp disruptor bubble, or the simple technique of catching the target on the other side. Your whining can only be seen as one of the many reasons this change was so sorely needed.
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Taralesk Inshani
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Syrann
It reduces Lag.
It opens up 0.0 to the unexperienced / unprepared (that means MORE kills... for the record).
It makes it easier to raid enemy territory.
It makes dictors even more valuable.
It gives you something else to whine about on the forums (what more could you ask for!!)
Ok, you WIN the thread.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:20:00 -
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Spiffy
Though tbh id rather see the min range kept at 15 AND instas removed ^_^
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Mikal Drey
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: var'ulfur
err hate to burst the bubble but warp to 0km has been on the test servers before. it was more like jump to 0 then next time jump to 10k and so on and on. i would tie a skill to it or mod. for each level less random warping in till you reach the true 0 mark.but thats just me
QFT, it was broken on so many levels and was removed rather quickly. although pretty cool it was punishing to use
wouldnt mind seeing a skill related warp option "warp accruacy" -2km per level pre req. WDO V
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:22:00 -
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Woo!
It may also be wisest to wipe everyone's bookmark folder clean since a lot of people will be too lazy to clean them even if the warp to 0 happens.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Billy Sastard on 03/11/2006 21:24:01
I did not read every post in this thread so it may have already been mentioned...
I logged in to SISI to check out the warp to 0, and noticed that none of my station/gate bookmarks were available(they were there, just couldnt do anything with them).
After logging out to post this, I am thinking of things I should to to test bookmarking around gates and such before I get too excited.
I wont mind if they remove the gate and station bookmarks, but I would still like to be able to make safe spots and mining/hauling bookmarks.
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JoeT
Amarr
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:25:00 -
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let me warp bubble lowsec at least. please
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Rahn Sohwant
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:25:00 -
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I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but if I were trying to run a test server on anemic hardware, and there was a huge load such as bookmarks that could be temporarily disabled, I think I might just throw in a warp to 0 and delete every bookmark, just as a temporary performance boost.
Absent any dev comment, I won't be counting any chickens until they actually hatch.
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 03/11/2006 21:26:38
-pinches himself to make sure he's awake- OW!
Wow...I never thought this would happen. If CCP does the unexpected and boosts Minmatar and the tempest to make them useful after the hitpoint changes, then I may even enjoy Kali and keep my account. This, at least is one step in the right direction among many steps backwards. I'd dearly love to be able to delete my 5000+ gate-to-gate instas.
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
R.I.P. AC tempest
R.I.P. Torp raven
Thanks, CCP.
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Lord Saiken
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:29:00 -
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I think this is a fantastic idea as it will cut down on a lot of lag from g2g bookmarks.
People whining that it will kill gatecamps.. At the moment everyone has instas to jump g2g, so how do you bring them down? 'Dictor bubbles! This just means there'll be less lag when you catch someone in a bubble...
The only thing that will be affected a lot is empire (0.1-04) gate camps.. but the majority of those that I've seen are your predictable 12 year old "I'm a hard pie-rat" ones... Maybe allow small bubbles in <0.5 and you're away!
Nice work CCP, I salute you o/
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Angelus Custos
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:31:00 -
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This feature not only get my stamp of approval, it makes me jump with joy
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Taka
Caldari
Quam Singulari
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:32:00 -
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What about empire low sec gate camping?
being able to warp to within 0m of a gate is just gonna ruin gate camping....cos you cant exactly use a ceptor to tackle at a gate.
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Unfamed II
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:34:00 -
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I wonder how long it takes to destroy 20000+ bookmarks from P&P. :|
Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Taka
What about empire low sec gate camping?
being able to warp to within 0m of a gate is just gonna ruin gate camping....cos you cant exactly use a ceptor to tackle at a gate.
There will still be stupid people who autopilot through lowsec, and the autopilot will still warp at 15km.
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
R.I.P. AC tempest
R.I.P. Torp raven
Thanks, CCP.
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Sergeant Benton
Caldari
United Nations Intelligence Taskforce
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:36:00 -
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Great news.
If this makes it to TQ (which I hope it does), CCP just need to run a tool which automatically deletes all BMs that are within 20km of a gate or station.
That way people keep bookmarks of safespots, sniping points, mining points etc etc but all gate/station bookmarks are gone. A distant memory.
Instant smaller database, instant less lag. Sorted.
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Bufnitza
Black Straw
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:41:00 -
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Seems CCP doesn't love pirates
What will happen whit us??
First they are increasing ships HP so u can't snipe in low sec because is to hard to kill something , now they are introducing warp to 0km ....this really suks ,u can't do pirating at all , what now should i warp from belt to belt to catch a noob who's hunting in low security????
And btw the lag will not be reduced , ppl will not delete theyr bookmarks , CCP can't do this also ( some of us have verry important bookmarks and is hard to sort them) the only thing they stop is copiing bookmarks , but u still must live whit the lag .
Wanna know why is so lag because of bookmarks , because CCP didn't do nothing till now when u press people and places and go to bookmarks by default to not show all , if u want to make a new bookmark why need to load 30k bookmarks to add one more , also if u don't change tab on buddies or somewhere else and press people and places the bookmarks will load , think about at this in JIta whre 50% of ppl from that system are setting a new destination and some of them forgot to change bookmark tab , how is when 50 ppl press people and places and server need to load 1 mil bookmarks only to set a destination ??????
This really ****ed me off!!!!!
Cya guys , sorry for my english , and hope CCP won't do this stupid thing !!
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Taralesk Inshani
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rahn Sohwant
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but if I were trying to run a test server on anemic hardware, and there was a huge load such as bookmarks that could be temporarily disabled, I think I might just throw in a warp to 0 and delete every bookmark, just as a temporary performance boost.
Absent any dev comment, I won't be counting any chickens until they actually hatch.
Erm, I think this guy has the right idea. Makes perfect sense. More sense than Warp to 0, for sure. 
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