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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran The one thing I'm worried about is that people will be able to hop into battleships even earlier in their career. I always felt this was too easy, and that newbs can get stuck in a ship they don't really have the skills for way too fast without the gamemechanics preventing them. Maybe up BS skill requirements a bit would be an idea 
Eh, if they can afford to buy the ship. Most newbies can't afford one right out of school. Besides, it's all about T2 nowadays, and although it's too rare and expensive for my tastes, I suppose we have to move forward, on to T3 and beyond. At some point "battleships" (the level 2 T1 ones) have to become newbie gear.
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stock holder
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Perrault Ill drop my account that I just bought a week ago if they do this. I don't support companies who give their players the shaft.
but yet you buy an account? 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Perrault Ill drop my account that I just bought a week ago if they do this. I don't support companies who give their players the shaft.
Are YOUR attributes worse if new players get this ? Did ANY of your skills drop ? No and no ? So where's this "shaft" you speak of ? What about those that have 20+ mil SPs now ? Do they get shafted too somehow ? If you create an alt by the tike Kali rolls out, would you prefer going through the same pain AGAIN as with your first ever char, or would you rather have THIS instead ?
You don't get "shafted" in any way, newer players just get a slightly more attractive start. I suppose you don't support any real-life company then, that tries to attract new customers by giving them some minor form of bonus packages, eh ? _____ -sig-
This is my only char. These are my skills
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Letouk Mernel
Originally by: James Snowscoran The one thing I'm worried about is that people will be able to hop into battleships even earlier in their career. I always felt this was too easy, and that newbs can get stuck in a ship they don't really have the skills for way too fast without the gamemechanics preventing them. Maybe up BS skill requirements a bit would be an idea 
Eh, if they can afford to buy the ship. Most newbies can't afford one right out of school. Besides, it's all about T2 nowadays, and although it's too rare and expensive for my tastes, I suppose we have to move forward, on to T3 and beyond. At some point "battleships" (the level 2 T1 ones) have to become newbie gear.
no, its not all about t2. A t1 fitted ship with a person that has experience will completely *****a ship that has t2 but inexperienced.
Stop trying to take away the brutality from eve, its going to trash the game.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol besides the massive inflation that will follow
Ok so maybe instead of 1 million ISK being given to them, maybe a newbie could somehow borrow it from their school, payable later, and you can't delete that character if it hasn't paid its loan. Or something. I dunno.
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Rorix Whitecloud
Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol
Originally by: Hablacraja Take a look at the maldistributed attributes on each of those, though.
executive commander seems balanced somewhat
Err... notice that its on an Achura character... known for their 3 Charisma builds... so why dont they just make Achura-Executive commander, and forget about ever training Leadership skills? It kinda makes their 3 charisma pointless.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol Stop trying to take away the brutality from eve, its going to trash the game.
What "brutality" are you talking about? Combat can be as "brutal" as you want it, with any ship; making it hard for new people to get into the game ... that's counterproductive.
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Darksaber64x
Ecchi co.
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Perrault Ill drop my account that I just bought a week ago if they do this. I don't support companies who give their players the shaft.
? And how many SPs do you have an that char? How many could you have when kali hits? Not to mention in that time frame you'll get experience.
Experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (you get the picture) SP
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Mirirar
Caldari Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:51:00 -
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Dear god - this is bad.
Now we'll have much more capable suicide gankers and griefers.
For the love of god, PLEASE roll this back. It's giving all newbies a free month boost for no good reason.
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Perrault
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Perrault Ill drop my account that I just bought a week ago if they do this. I don't support companies who give their players the shaft.
Are YOUR attributes worse if new players get this ? Did ANY of your skills drop ? No and no ? So where's this "shaft" you speak of ? What about those that have 20+ mil SPs now ? Do they get shafted too somehow ? If you create an alt by the tike Kali rolls out, would you prefer going through the same pain AGAIN as with your first ever char, or would you rather have THIS instead ?
You don't get "shafted" in any way, newer players just get a slightly more attractive start. I suppose you don't support any real-life company then, that tries to attract new customers by giving them some minor form of bonus packages, eh ?
Had I known they were going to simply gift players with 700k more SPs to start with I wouldnt have spent all my ISK on skillbooks now would I? This is rediculous. Why even train skills at all with your current newbie character? Whats the point of being able to fly a cruiser right out of the gate anyways? I think its stupid. Its a move to make EVE more appealing to the masses. And the masses dont have the IQ to wrap their minds around this game. EVE will gradually devolve into a friendly point and click affair with little tactics. Its happened to other MMOs.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mirirar Now we'll have much more capable suicide gankers and griefers.
Extra reasons to leave highsec and move into 0.0 Hey, win/win situation !
Just created an Achura Specops on SiSi. Curious as to how fast I can get into a Caracal, with the 100-isk-for-anything (including implants) and the usual 5k ISK starting capital...

FD-MLJ, here we come... "Caracal Wanda" is itching to get all shooty and pew-pew-yi. _____ -sig-
This is my only char. These are my skills
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Letouk Mernel maybe a newbie could somehow borrow it from their school, payable later, and you can't delete that character if it hasn't paid its loan.
oh god. EvE student loans 
*hank hides his rifter so it cant be repossesed
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Areconus
Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:10:00 -
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Ok CCP, either you dont do this and leave it as is, or give us all 700k in skills of our choosing :)
Gloria Stitz-
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol
Originally by: Letouk Mernel
Originally by: James Snowscoran The one thing I'm worried about is that people will be able to hop into battleships even earlier in their career. I always felt this was too easy, and that newbs can get stuck in a ship they don't really have the skills for way too fast without the gamemechanics preventing them. Maybe up BS skill requirements a bit would be an idea 
Eh, if they can afford to buy the ship. Most newbies can't afford one right out of school. Besides, it's all about T2 nowadays, and although it's too rare and expensive for my tastes, I suppose we have to move forward, on to T3 and beyond. At some point "battleships" (the level 2 T1 ones) have to become newbie gear.
no, its not all about t2. A t1 fitted ship with a person that has experience will completely *****a ship that has t2 but inexperienced.
Stop trying to take away the brutality from eve, its going to trash the game.
Samirol is right, t2 isn't what it's all about, and it's gonna be even less so when Kali hits- I wouldn't be surprised to see Drakes pwning HACs of all shapes and sizes left and right without much trouble at all.
I don't really see an issue with brutality here at all though, well unless the little noobs don't get lots of free starting ISK to go along with their skills. It isn't in anyone's interest that it takes a week or two to progress to basic functionality for a character. -----
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Christopher Scott
Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:24:00 -
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Wow! 
Ya know, before I used to create throwaway alts with 14,000 worthless skillpoints just to put up market escrws.
Now I can create throwaway alts with 800,000skillpoints specialized in market trading.
Thanks CCP. 
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:25:00 -
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really doesnt bother me if they get 800k skills, to be honest, tbh CCP should give free learning skills to all characters at lvl 3-4 the rank 1 version
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nutbar
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Scott Wow! 
Ya know, before I used to create throwaway alts with 14,000 worthless skillpoints just to put up market escrws.
Now I can create throwaway alts with 800,000skillpoints specialized in market trading.
Thanks CCP. 
Yup, that's how I see this :) As long as the newbies aren't getting higher starting attributes, it's not that bad. Now I can make an alt that's truly geared towards mining for example, or perhaps better than my main for doing research or somesuch - having a few lvl5 skills to begin with could be rather interesting :D
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Norris Leet
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Posted - 2006.11.04 05:09:00 -
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This is jacked up. I created a char with 90k of SP about a week ago. I have been doing hardcore learning and have reached about 280k SP now. If people get to start out with uber SP I'm going to be ****ed. Its not enough that CCP doesnt do anything about complex bugs and has ruined the econ. Seems like I got into this game past its prime. CCP better propose give newbs some compensation for sucking off the bat. Pshaw....forget it, I just wont renew and think CCP is catering to almighty dollar.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran
Originally by: Samirol
Originally by: Letouk Mernel
Originally by: James Snowscoran The one thing I'm worried about is that people will be able to hop into battleships even earlier in their career. I always felt this was too easy, and that newbs can get stuck in a ship they don't really have the skills for way too fast without the gamemechanics preventing them. Maybe up BS skill requirements a bit would be an idea 
Eh, if they can afford to buy the ship. Most newbies can't afford one right out of school. Besides, it's all about T2 nowadays, and although it's too rare and expensive for my tastes, I suppose we have to move forward, on to T3 and beyond. At some point "battleships" (the level 2 T1 ones) have to become newbie gear.
no, its not all about t2. A t1 fitted ship with a person that has experience will completely *****a ship that has t2 but inexperienced.
Stop trying to take away the brutality from eve, its going to trash the game.
Samirol is right, t2 isn't what it's all about, and it's gonna be even less so when Kali hits- I wouldn't be surprised to see Drakes pwning HACs of all shapes and sizes left and right without much trouble at all.
I don't really see an issue with brutality here at all though, well unless the little noobs don't get lots of free starting ISK to go along with their skills. It isn't in anyone's interest that it takes a week or two to progress to basic functionality for a character.
the brutality is the toughness of eve. I guess i have enjoyed the painstaking struggle to get better in eve. I think reducing this struggle will bring in a new breed of players that are used to getting coddled and not used to struggling to do well.
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Stephar
The High Priest
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Posted - 2006.11.04 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell really doesnt bother me if they get 800k skills, to be honest, tbh CCP should give free learning skills to all characters at lvl 3-4 the rank 1 version
Agreed.
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BoinKlasik
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.04 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hablacraja Take a look at the maldistributed attributes on each of those, though.
stat char creation choices dont have anything to do with the ones that give you skills, its simply that the skill ones give you about 10 diff skills now each w/ various levels, than the current version which is 2 skills or so and a level from each one.
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.04 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: xeom on 04/11/2006 05:40:17 If by brutality and ruffness you mean the first 2 weeks you are totaly bored then yes.
I applaud this change a move in the right direction ccp! ---
"Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
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E'Veel P'Tiga
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Posted - 2006.11.04 06:28:00 -
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WTF!!! Man I rolled my alt's character about a month ago and have just breeched 1mil skill points. While I wont reroll it's a bit of a shame to see that if somebody rolled a character today there almost just as skilled as me and better in some areas. I'm not sure about this. It's a little to easy to make a frigate gank alt gang! _______________
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keiichi chan
Caldari BORG Kollektiv BORG Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.04 06:41:00 -
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refining 5 and mining 5 wtf... CCP you should do something against the Macros, and NOT support them! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hade wade dude da~
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Dano Sarum
Giants in the Playground Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.04 06:57:00 -
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I seriously hope this is a joke.
I started with 19k SP or something silly (yes i know its crap, but i wanted attributes).
Its bad enough you come out with godly perc / int bloodlines like Khanid and Achura, now you're gonna give newbies basicly a month of free SP?
If thats the case will everyone allready with characters get an extra 2/3 weeks of training for free?
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.04 06:59:00 -
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Whine more?
This is making it more easier to get into instead of weeks of being usless.
Finnaly i can get friends flying with me the same night they can sign up.Instead of saying "wait 4 days dude then we can play"
Get with it dudes this is a great thing.Sure that mean some n00b is gana get more SP faster but i really don't care.It's just something thats needed and will be great.
A+ CCP keep it up! ---
"Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
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Enotz
Amarr Terminus Est Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:01:00 -
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I can understand why they did this, but it still seriously ****es me off. When I started two months ago, I had 30k SP. i'm just now hitting around 1.5m, and nearly all of that is in learning. If Kali is released in say, two weeks, that's probably around 1.7-1.8m for my character. So a new player starting is going to have a comparable amount of SP to me; and have a good chance of kicking my ass if they do a week or two of combat skill training before they start learning skills.
Basically, they'll have more skils for actually DOING stuff before they need to train learning skills.
An idea someone said once of giving everyone +10 to all attributes, taking away learning skills, and giving those that did train them an SP refund sounds better every second..
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:05:00 -
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Ok we can all be greedy and cry all day.
Or we can see that this is something that will move the game along. ---
"Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
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Ischii Vara
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:07:00 -
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I'm 11 days old and have 110k SP. Should I get mad now or later? If I have say, 300k when this hits, will I be given 500k free points? Or should I just shelve Eve until Kali and start over then?
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evistin
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:08:00 -
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I think this is good, but CCP should not give a lvl 5 skill to a startup.
We always talked on how hard it was for a new player to get into the game, this will help.
Some of them are honsetly way too over powered. These are newbies, giving them skills is one thing, but so near tech 2 no thanks.
Either boost all current players by 800kSP or half the amount of SP given. Newbies do not need Refinning 5.
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