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roBurky
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.05 16:50:00 -
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This looks awesome.
I've always had a problem when inviting people to play Eve. I could say "Yes! Come play Eve with my corp. Unlike other MMOs, you can play with the veterans as a newbie. You're always a useful member of a gang." But it's a bit of a lie, as you need to do quite a bit of initial training before you can take part in pvp.
I'm a bit disappointed to see that they haven't added propulsion jamming I as an inherent skill. That's always the first hurdle when a new player wants to join the corp's combat gangs.
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Karoth Tyu
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:07:00 -
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All this really does is allow new players to jump into combat right away instead of waiting through the first few weeks of grinding and mining while skilling up. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:10:00 -
[183]
 Originally by: Karoth Tyu
All this really does is allow new players to jump into combat right away instead of waiting through the first few weeks of grinding and mining while skilling up. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
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xHalcyonx
Amarr
CyberDyne Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:15:00 -
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I was initially against this idea, but I slept on it and have come to the conclusion taht it is a good idea. It's too late for my main (Amarr: Amarr: Fighter preset) who has just over 1 mil SP, but it will do wonders for when I start my second account to mine with in a retriever :).
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Arii Smith
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Posted - 2006.11.06 01:15:00 -
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While this idea seems nice, I see a lot of trial account throw-away alts that exist to abuse a ton of free skillpoints.
I am also REALLY bitter because I have been sitting in a **** station for a month and a half getting my learning skills before I go out and do anything. It is pretty ****ty that I could have saved a month by just holding off.
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Daddy Pop
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Posted - 2006.11.06 02:15:00 -
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800K eh?
Boy, that sure makes suicide kestral alts a lot easier to make.....
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Rasputin Jones
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Posted - 2006.11.06 02:44:00 -
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Until I trained my first L5 skill, I thought it was a near-impossible feat and would take me forever. Giving new players a boost like this will help alleviate the "oh my god, this will take me a freaking age" problem that new players have with long skill training.
Just because those of you against this concept are veterans and didn't receive the same privilege doesn't mean that you should be contesting newer players' access to it. You did your first 800k SPs the hard way. Good for you. Things change. Be good sports about it.
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Cerenkov
Caldari
Vogon Deconstructions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.06 03:13:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Karoth Tyu
All this really does is allow new players to jump into combat right away instead of waiting through the first few weeks of grinding and mining while skilling up. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
Hooray! A voice of reason!
With some people now having upwards of 50M SP, i see no issue in letting new players start with some skills that are actually useful.
Most of the complaints here seem to be mainly due to jealousy, the whole 'i didn't get that, so why should they?' line of thinking.
This should let people jump straight into the best parts of eve, without having to go through that ridiculous phase at the start where everyone tells you to train up your learning skills. Oh what an exciting fortnight that was...
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Claussen
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Posted - 2006.11.06 04:07:00 -
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I don't like it. Now anyone that mines will FEAR with the new round of insta-Macro-Killers who kill indiscriminantly. And don't give me that crap about jet cans. There is no way around it.
Will mining die? Prolly not for MM's.
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.11.06 04:55:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Karoth Tyu
All this really does is allow new players to jump into combat right away instead of waiting through the first few weeks of grinding and mining while skilling up. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
its unfair to everybody that had to go thru that early grind to get where they are now and tbh there are enough alts already without this
take a look at soldier... thats not a noob anymore gunnery 5 small projectile 5 rapid firing 4 and more
and i can think of any number of ways it will be abused
taking the soldier specifically,a corp could get all its members to create an alt like that and like magic there is a whole new corp in existance with servicable combat ability
imagine what goonswarm could do with something like that 
this is wrong imo
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tarin adur
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Posted - 2006.11.06 04:57:00 -
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well the only thing this will accomplish is getting newbies into big ships they can't afford to lose faster and making them quit from frunstration.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.06 07:53:00 -
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What I'd really, really like to see is some THIRD choice to each of the three "schools", where you'd get two L5 attribute skills (those "most relevant" to school), L4 learning and L3/L4 in the remaining 3 "basic" learning skills... and not much else.
Now, THAT would really be another MAJOR improvement.
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Rezerwowy Pies
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.06 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Rezerwowy Pies on 06/11/2006 11:24:08
If CCP really give all new players a 0.8m sp account (very unfair idea, shows that CCP dont like older players), also should rise cost of advanced learning skills from 4.5m isk to ~25m each, and 'learning' skill to around 4.5m isk.
That accounts from start will be 2-3 weeks ahead and make that money will be really easy.
And rest people with thier older accounts should also have way to add 0.8m sp in some way.
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Milena Marich
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Milena Marich on 06/11/2006 18:23:20
Why do not they give older players 500k SP gift?
Since I am account owner this is my main, so where is my picture?
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Malakai0
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:28:00 -
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Nothing should ever start at 5, period. Getting a skill to 5 means you have mastered it completely, and it should take a week to get it there...
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Ionstream
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ionstream on 06/11/2006 18:45:56
surely the poor players who sign up just before the move to kali will be pretty annoyed to see that their 10k sp character whilst being a day older than a post kali player is 790k behind him already.
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Zoxia
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.11.06 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Zoxia on 06/11/2006 19:37:54
I love this and think its a great idea. Not only will more people keep playing others will follow. Be prepared for 40,000 users online at one time!!
YAY I get to reroll my alts !!
BTW: Its not unfair at all. you have the right to roll a new character just like anyone else does. Also the newer players can make alts easier and try more aspects of the game much quicker. Its a WIN WIN unless of course you choose to WHINE WHINE.
And with the new HP increase this is needed beleive it or not.
Saying oh gee its unfair to every single new thing they do is getting old. If they listened to the whiners the game would be stuck and stagnant. Keep up the good work CCP your on the right track.
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Zoxia
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.11.06 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Perrault
Ill drop my account that I just bought a week ago if they do this. I don't support companies who give their players the shaft.
Can I have yer stuff??
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Zoxia
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.11.06 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Zoxia on 06/11/2006 19:55:28
Here are the top ten in SP um lets compare 800k to this. then goto the site and see the leaders in all the different skill groups.  any one else hear a drop in the bucket??
http://www.big-sales.net/public/skills/
Dr Caymus (69,248,291)
Zoltaris (59,567,932)
Namarus (57,988,731)
Momfer Undersand (57,367,655)
Qual (57,286,645)
Kain D'Worker (56,905,775)
Drahcir Nasom (56,689,848)
NTRabbit (56,343,638)
Sewell (56,283,512)
Fenian (56,212,693)
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Helplessandlost
Minmatar
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.06 20:09:00 -
[200]
I think its a great idea and needed for the future of the game.
"Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
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Valerii Zarek
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Posted - 2006.11.06 20:18:00 -
[201]
Is this for real? It would suck big time.
As for the argument 'Well it takes millions of SPs to make a useful char anyway' - this simply doesn't hold water as it implies that the first 2 months of Eve aren't useful, fun, or part of the game in anyway.
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.06 20:26:00 -
[202]
This is a good change. It gives all new players about the worth of two-three weeks for free above what they got previously. Two weeks with max learning skills, three or so without.
I believe the popular level 4 frigate path gave you something just short of 250k skillpoints.
In either case, will make those Ni-Kunni trade alts rather useful. Which sort of reminds me, if an Achura get level 5 Trade, what does Ni-Kunni get? Must mean they changed the bloodline signifying skills a bit - are Intaki still the EWar race of EVE?
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Zhelavar
Gallente
CONsordium Infinate
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Posted - 2006.11.06 21:42:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Ionstream
Edited by: Ionstream on 06/11/2006 18:45:56
surely the poor players who sign up just before the move to kali will be pretty annoyed to see that their 10k sp character whilst being a day older than a post kali player is 790k behind him already.
If that "poor player" isn't willing to give up that hard earned 10k SP in order to reroll the next day to solve his self-created problem, thenhe has worse issues to deal with than skill points in a video game.
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Valerii Zarek
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:18:00 -
[204]
Edited by: Valerii Zarek on 06/11/2006 22:22:11
Edited by: Valerii Zarek on 06/11/2006 22:21:33
Edited by: Valerii Zarek on 06/11/2006 22:19:08
Originally by: Zhelavar
If that "poor player" isn't willing to give up that hard earned 10k SP in order to reroll the next day to solve his self-created problem, thenhe has worse issues to deal with than skill points in a video game.
What about the guy who was at 790K and spent a lot of time trying to figure out the skill system? To me this move doesn't bring anything good to the table. Seems to be just way to appeal to the 'OMG I WANT THE SWORD OF L33T NOW NOW NOW I WANT ME ME ME' WOW crowd, and that's about it.
Edit: so far the only argument for 'it's a good thing' has been that 'people will save a month' - what kind of logic is that? In that case give them 50Mil SPs upfront and let them 'save 6 months'. Know what I mean? Slow skill learning, long travel, heavy death penalty, non-consensual PVP... is what makes EvE what it is, which is the best MMO on the market today. Please don't remove those important features.
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Novan Leon
Goat Raiders
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:28:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the 800k skill points is ONLY for the test server. If I can find the reference then I'll post it here.
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Illistar DeathWing
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:28:00 -
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It's a slap in the face, people who are at 750k will have just wasted a month or more of caracter training and be BEHIND someone who just started. Arent you sepose to reward dedicated players more then newbies?
This reminds me of cellphone companies. They always offer shinny new toys to new costumers, yet they wont give anything to the loyal older ones.
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Illistar DeathWing
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Novan Leon
I'm pretty sure the 800k skill points is ONLY for the test server. If I can find the reference then I'll post it here.
they said that for warp to 0 km too.
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Skybar
Minmatar
Deviance Inc
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Skybar on 06/11/2006 23:03:36
now I havent read all posts, but the first two pages.
But perhaps this is another step for CCP to get more people to play Eve?
Currently, the 14-day trial is boring as hell since you dont have any skills to fly anyting decent. If trial pilots would obtain more SP at start, it would make more people interested, Eve make more cash from subscriptions and we obtain more lag.
Sounds evil. Please make sure we don't lag ass before luring more people into the game.
CCP, we do love you, don't make us hate you, it's bad mkay? :)
edit: Just wanted to note aswell that some of those pre-set chars started with Daytrading, a 12M skill. Those 12M can be tough to invest when you are a early trader, so it doesn't feel alright. It's unfair! Boo-hooo.
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Illistar DeathWing
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Illistar DeathWing on 06/11/2006 23:06:24
I don't mind that new players will start with 800k as much as I mind players who started not long ago wasting a month of training. How about is ccp gives double training speed (untill 700k sp is gained) to those players who already have caracters to compensate?
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Valerii Zarek
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Valerii Zarek on 06/11/2006 23:19:18
Edited by: Valerii Zarek on 06/11/2006 23:18:51
I'll add more to this, because it's such a bad idea on so many levels it takes more than one post to detail it all.
1) What about the fact that people actually paid for month of subscription to gain those 800K SPs which are now made 'worthless'. Why were they worthless in the first place?
2) Does it mean CCP is basically saying 'our gameplay sucks below 800K sp'
3) I cringe just thinking the abuse this is going to lead to with alt characters and so on
4) Back in the days I remember a lot of people complaining that a) training took too long and b) traveling took too long (no warp to 0). The answer from the dev and the the majority of the community was 'that's the way it is, that's what makes eve what it is'. Why the sudden change of tune? Why what was 'game mechanics' 2 years ago now have become 'bugs'?
5) I don't remember A SINGLE THREAD clamoring or was the title of this thread implies 'praying' for the beginning SP to be raised AT ALL. Instead I hear a lot of people complain about lag, maybe that's something more important to focus on?
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