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xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.04 07:11:00 - [61] Originally by: Ischii Vara I'm 11 days old and have 110k SP. Should I get mad now or later? If I have say, 300k when this hits, will I be given 500k free points? Or should I just shelve Eve until Kali and start over then? Might wan't to wait for kali i supos. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.11.04 07:15:00 - [62] It would be nice if CCP would buff everyone the difference in average SP between now and then. For the new characters they get a healthy boost so they're on part with new characters, for the old characters we just say 'yay' and move on since skills take an ungodly amount of time anyway and for mid level characters they maybe get an option to pickup combat or industrial skills they didn't grab before. --- Encrypted Client Side Bookmarks! Raise YOUR voice to CCP. Let's end slow copy times and bookmark lag for good!
Ashley Stellia	Posted - 2006.11.04 07:28:00 - [63] Edited by: Ashley Stellia on 04/11/2006 07:31:20 Originally by: Enotz Basically, they'll have more skils for actually DOING stuff before they need to train learning skills. An idea someone said once of giving everyone +10 to all attributes, taking away learning skills, and giving those that did train them an SP refund sounds better every second.. You mean this guy??? Anyways, if these new 800,000 sp chars get implementyed in Kali, why not give everyone (other than new characters) a pill that, when they eat it, launches their current training skill 800,000 SP forward. If the skill level gets done before 800,000 SP are used, let it affect the next skill they train too, untill 800,000 SP have been trained. Giving everyone in EVE a 800,000 SP boost wont really affect things much in the long run, but will be like a small "Thank You" from CCP for our dedication and their happiness in this great time of Kali. And, better, now new chars will start out with the ability to actually fit some basic modules to their ships and help their freinds out from the git-go, instead of "Please train [long list of noob skills] to [level x] before you join us." Seriously, in the large scale of things starting with 800,000 sp is not so horrible...just make sure trial accounts cant train certain skills and whatnot and it shouldnt really be a problem. Suicide ganks will happen whether noobs start with 300,000 sp or 800,000 sp. The same measures will still protect you weith the same level of saftey. Dont haul ultra expensive stuff in ultra weak and slow ships while afk.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:02:00 - [64] seriously miffing that no one from CCP has commented regarding this development. Cmon, can we get an answer or anything about this?
Sol Halcon Minmatar The Exile Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:02:00 - [65] Oh no! This is what happened when SOE made Jedi a starting profession in SWG. The servers filled up with ZOMGUBER1337 12 year olds. I came here to get away from that. From the looks of the SF picture they will hop in a Rifter straight out of the box, complete with full missile and autocannon skills, running amok blowing everything up. I know, let them taste your cruiser. Well, those skill points are inate, you kill their pod and they clone with them automatically, hop back in their ship and are out again. I came here because death has a meaning, and you think twice before engaging. Thinking and planning are the themes here. I got tired of the launch and die, rinse and repeat console kiddie game mentality. I so hope the WoW bug didn't bite the devs here.
Enotz Amarr Terminus Est Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:19:00 - [66] Originally by: Ashley Stellia You mean this guy??? No, this person was in the skills forum, and it was just a short post.
MECTO Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:42:00 - [67] Originally by: Samirol lets make the only pvp at arenas... grrr.... i always dreamed about this It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it? Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
Lady Lemmington	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:57:00 - [68] time has come for the day of the lemming. No longer will we be popped after the first shot, we can create ourselves with gunnery, and leadership... we will NERF those gate camps.... MWAHAHAHAHAHA
Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:05:00 - [69] Originally by: evistin I think this is good, but CCP should not give a lvl 5 skill to a startup. We always talked on how hard it was for a new player to get into the game, this will help. Some of them are honsetly way too over powered. These are newbies, giving them skills is one thing, but so near tech 2 no thanks. Agreed. Giving newbies some more skills is a good idea but this is too much. Stick to level 4 skills max.
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:25:00 - [70] Edited by: Phelan Lore on 04/11/2006 09:25:34 More sp for newbies is good, but starting out with T2 guns is a bit much. Kinda takes away from some of the fun of having something to look forwards to.
TTIGER Total Mayhem. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:26:00 - [71] You can start lvl 5 skills already, gunnery or science no problem here. To 800k sp current players ?Open an alt youll have your free 800k skill points .newbies need refining 5 more than anybody else. I think Nothing to fancy good for new player move on ( I remember same thing said by some ppl when you could open a char wtih science lvl 5 /gunenry 5 Originally by: evistin I think this is good, but CCP should not give a lvl 5 skill to a startup. Either boost all current players by 800kSP or half the amount of SP given. Newbies do not need Refinning 5.
Hirokishi	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:40:00 - [72] Originally by: TTIGER You can start lvl 5 skills already, gunnery or science no problem here. To 800k sp current players ?Open an alt youll have your free 800k skill points .newbies need refining 5 more than anybody else. I think Nothing to fancy good for new player move on ( I remember same thing said by some ppl when you could open a char wtih science lvl 5 /gunenry 5 Originally by: evistin I think this is good, but CCP should not give a lvl 5 skill to a startup. Either boost all current players by 800kSP or half the amount of SP given. Newbies do not need Refinning 5. and what about new accounts that were created few days/weeks ago ? they went all the trouble to see that someone who created an account one month later will be as skilled as they are ? I don't think they'll agree with you and say that there is no problem !
Aakron Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:46:00 - [73] Heh, /me clears out my useless market checking alts, I can now get a character completely ready to run a corp, or one that has mining 5! or reprocessing skills or completely ready to manage all my sell orders! thanks ccp!
Crystal Kali Floating Academy	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:47:00 - [74] Wow, all the whinders and whiner-bandwagoners never cease to amaze me This character started with a Level 5 and that was back in march. 800kSPs is absolutely NOTHING to an older player but does make a very valuable difference to newbies who are facing double sets of learning skills which kills a good couple of months of the early game. It means they can do something other than slowly mine a bit of veld with that basic mining laser in that rookie ship for the first couple of days. Anyway it's not as if they're being given a million ISK to start off with (unless they are, in which case THAT would be stupid). All I see here are greedy vets terrified that someone might possibly be a threat, or else whingeing that a new player won't be bored to sleep by the fact they can't actually doa nything at all when they're new except sit there and wait for skills to train Personally, I think this is a great idea for new players now when we have 60mill SP+ characters running around. Way back then when there weren't, perhaps the people who picked 15 L1 skills at creation and started with only 15k SPs were more in porportion to the the 'older' players. I certainly don't feel threatened by new players coming in with this. If people made characters shortly before Kali that will end up with less SP, well what's the issue in re-rolling? You can transfer money/items to alts or friends...
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:54:00 - [75] I see a lot of xenophobic people in this thread. It's beyond funny.
Lucifer Fellblade Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:55:00 - [76] This makes a big difference to all us players who are relatively new, who possibly spent about a month of training time, to get barely any more SP than new people will now be starting with, sorry but, making a whole month a waste isn't exactly what I see as an improvement, unless they're going to make up that time and give everybody else free SP. Those skills are just rediculous, I only just have more level V skills than the starting characters. ------
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:58:00 - [77] Originally by: Crystal Kali Wow, all the whinders and whiner-bandwagoners never cease to amaze me This character started with a Level 5 and that was back in march. 800kSPs is absolutely NOTHING to an older player but does make a very valuable difference to newbies who are facing double sets of learning skills which kills a good couple of months of the early game. It means they can do something other than slowly mine a bit of veld with that basic mining laser in that rookie ship for the first couple of days. Anyway it's not as if they're being given a million ISK to start off with (unless they are, in which case THAT would be stupid). All I see here are greedy vets terrified that someone might possibly be a threat, or else whingeing that a new player won't be bored to sleep by the fact they can't actually doa nything at all when they're new except sit there and wait for skills to train Personally, I think this is a great idea for new players now when we have 60mill SP+ characters running around. Way back then when there weren't, perhaps the people who picked 15 L1 skills at creation and started with only 15k SPs were more in porportion to the the 'older' players. I certainly don't feel threatened by new players coming in with this. If people made characters shortly before Kali that will end up with less SP, well what's the issue in re-rolling? You can transfer money/items to alts or friends... I don't think anyone's complaining about vets. I think they're complaining about people 'on the cusp' who'll be effected by this. There's also the fact that a free 500k SP would let me push Cruiser V out the door immediately and bump me into a few more Tech II skill ranges at this point...but....well yeah :) --- Encrypted Client Side Bookmarks! Raise YOUR voice to CCP. Let's end slow copy times and bookmark lag for good!
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:59:00 - [78] What the hell is this! Man if this is legit, I'm pretty annoyed. EvE is getting wack by every passing day.
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2006.11.04 10:00:00 - [79] I think its a great idea. The eve of today is very different to when i started 2 years ago. Give teh nubbins some lovvin. Lets hope the 3 day old players bring their shiney BS to lowsec hmm? ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2006.11.04 10:05:00 - [80] So you can use 3 char names now? Better be in front of the line when it comes to reg names like 'God' etc. Would be nice to know why they decided to go this way, not that I care if they start with higher skillpoints as I am happy with my chars even if they started with 20k SP. EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Dumus Amarr Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.04 10:22:00 - [81] Congrats to CCP. I agree with these changes and I am a long standing player. This is what was needed for newbies. Bring it on! ---------------------------
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.11.04 10:43:00 - [82] Originally by: Chribba So you can use 3 char names now? Better be in front of the line when it comes to reg names like 'God' etc. I think that's only on Singularity.
Se'la Rox Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.04 10:49:00 - [83] Edited by: Se''la Rox on 04/11/2006 10:49:24 While I'd agree that it's helpful for new players, it's more than a little galling for the recent newcomers (myself included) who'll now see new players instantly show up with close to half as many - or more - SP than we do after working hard for weeks.
Benco97 Gallente Fedo Appreciation Group	Posted - 2006.11.04 11:10:00 - [84] i'm not sure how I feel about this to be honest.. it's a nice headstart for newcomers but a lot of people are going to feel cheated, I absolutely did not have more than 120k skill points when I started. Dear CCP, add 680k skill points to my character, the current skill in training please ;p Head of the Fedo Appreciation Group (FAG) and Registered Fedo breeder (Sig kindly supplied by Zurtur)
Uggster Caldari Never'where	Posted - 2006.11.04 11:26:00 - [85] Not quite sure how I feel about this tbh. My main (this guy) has been around for ages so it does not matter but it does mean that I'll have to think of 2 new cool names for the scout alts on his account cos I'll be deleting them to get the super upgrade to the new guys. It does feel like a full green light for pirate/empire alts though, and I dont think thats a good idea. Still....popping noobs that have bought isk on ebay and can fly T2 fitting almost from the word go does have a certain charm. _______________________________________________ Sig removed as inappropriate- Tirg Story of my life that one :(
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.04 11:28:00 - [86] a certain charm u have interesting idea it is mmmm we see we shall
Sakura Zensen Caldari Cherry Blossom Front	Posted - 2006.11.04 11:31:00 - [87] **** it! ... should have waited for Kali I guess.
Lucre STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.04 11:34:00 - [88] "Executive commander" eh? Yep, there's the template for your new fleet command alts... - It's great flying Amarr, aint it?
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.04 11:35:00 - [89] what is executive commander ? new skill it must be looking forward to this i do
Jurskjeld Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2006.11.04 11:37:00 - [90] Edited by: Jurskjeld on 04/11/2006 11:38:08 This is idiotic. Basically it allows for everyone to create two more alts (on just ONE account) that can specialize in super-refining or anything else. Saying this will help newbs is correct, but it'll be an equal gain for the whole community, therefore an equal loss. We'll be seeing lots of two-week olds in assault frigates after Kali. The only FAIR way to compensate for uber-newbies coming into the game after Kali is to, as proposed above somewhere, give everyone with an existing charater around 650,000 skill points more. That can't possibly be too difficult. -- Amarr scum be pushing gas, Caldari dogs are kissing their ***. Gallente and Minmatar together stand forever as the holy band.

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