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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.09 18:32:00 -
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... This discussion already happened a week ago.. it was started by Satan from Burn Eden.
Satan's ... Clueless 4tw BoB vs ASCN thread...
.. posters might want to read it before posting long posts.. that were already covered in that pretty comprehensive thread.
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Gierling
Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.09 18:35:00 -
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In all honosty no one really wants to be the one to help the "hobbits".
We may be personally liked, but as an organization we are probably the most disliked entity in the game.
Because our style of play is "insulting" to "Real" eve players.
We allow casual players and spend most of our time carebearing/building stuff. We don't "Pwn so hard" nor do we claim to or want to claim to.
Everyone more or less thinks that we should be off playing Civ 4, or maybe mining veld in empire space, however (to paraphrase ATUK from long long ago) we don't deserve to be in 0.0 and anyone who removes us will do Eve a favor.
At the very least we are seen as delusional, at most as vagrants and squatters. Either way no serious pvp entity thinks that we have any right to be in 0.0.
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Estarriol
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.09 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling
Everyone more or less thinks that we should be off playing Civ 4, or maybe mining veld in empire space, however (to paraphrase ATUK from long long ago) we don't deserve to be in 0.0 and anyone who removes us will do Eve a favor.
Everyone 'deserves' to be in 0.0 insofar as they are willing and able to defend their stake. There's nothing complicated or unduly harsh about it.
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Quote: ProphetGuru > It was a Wasp!
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.09 18:46:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Nero Winger Edited by: Nero Winger on 09/11/2006 15:43:43
Originally by: Sharcy
Originally by: slothe Southern alliances - Where are you? LV v BoB would be interesting.
Here in the south, everyone is a bit tied up already (Am I the only one that finds it ironic that the Goons are helping BoB by keeping ASCN's friends in the southeast occupied?)
But yeah, if those that stand on the sideline now think BoB won't come for them at some time in the future if they manage to do away with ASCN, they'll be scratching their heads wondering why they didn't take the opportunity when they had it. Even if D2 don't want to help ASCN for example, they're not helping themselves in the long run if they let BoB get more powerful yet.
(I'm speaking as an EVE player and community member here, not as an ASCNer)
ASCN - 4300 (it used to be more) POS - a hand full of dudes (lets say 200) All the merc corps that you hired (lets say 150 player in these corps)
makes a nice sum of 4650 player (active or not) against 1600 BoB player (active or not).
and i know this are only numbers and stats but in a representative manner they can give some view on how the forces are divided.
the fact that you loose systems and stations shows who has the upper hand.
the fact tat you are 2-3 times more than we are and you are crying for help from the rest of eve is just a confirmation to me who is better at the moment.
That's funny... where in his post did he cry for help for ascn?
Another funny thing is that you've had BOB members and other EVE-O posters saying ASCN should trim some fat... and now BOB is quoting numbers of dropping membership as evidence that ASCN is getting ready to concede defeat.
Ever think that the fat is being trimmed instead of saying "Look how uber we are, our war is costing ASCN members" but then that wouldn't serve the propaganda as well would it?
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Koval
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.09 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: maria stallion I can understand you slothe, but CELEST haven't attacked BOB directly during this war
What fool would lead 50 active men corp directly against fleets of alliance that can easly bring houndreds of pvpers? We do our job in the way a corp of our size should do, come and visit us in fountain to see for yourself
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Dirtball
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Have you ever thought that POS warefare simply isn't fun?
Yeah but to rollerbladers rollerblading is still extreme, unfortunatly ot everyone else fruitbooting is = to pos shooting.
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DeltaH
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling Because our style of play is "insulting" to "Real" eve players.
We allow casual players and spend most of our time carebearing/building stuff.
Want cheese?
There are lots of casual players who spend most of their time carebearing/building stuff in BoB space. You aren't special.
-DeltaH ---
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: DeltaH
Originally by: Gierling Because our style of play is "insulting" to "Real" eve players.
We allow casual players and spend most of our time carebearing/building stuff.
Want cheese?
There are lots of casual players who spend most of their time carebearing/building stuff in BoB space. You aren't special.
-DeltaH
Yeah!
*humps roids*
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Shardrael on 09/11/2006 19:27:59 crovan your sig is just awesome
edit: ohh noes it rotates :/ well the one with the kitty and "the voices tell me to kill you" line is flipping amazing
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:30:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Evil Thug on 09/11/2006 19:30:35
Originally by: Koval
What fool would lead 50 active men corp directly against fleets of alliance that can easly bring houndreds of pvpers?
We did - attacked 5ive. We make them leave with 16 active (14+ hours of playing EVE per day) players.
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael Edited by: Shardrael on 09/11/2006 19:27:59 crovan your sig is just awesome
edit: ohh noes it rotates :/ well the one with the kitty and "the voices tell me to kill you" line is flipping amazing
Well, because it's been so popular, I'll leave it up for a bit .
Gah, I am getting confused. Which BoB/ASCN flamefest is this, again?
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Lone Bear
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:46:00 -
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Well Slothe, maybe other alliances who dont like us are getting their gear sorted for Kali and its 8 new regions. 8 virgin territories, lot of blood and wrecks expected, so why loose ressources on BoB now?
Just a thought tho.
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Nira Li
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling
(to paraphrase ATUK from long long ago) we don't deserve to be in 0.0 and anyone who removes us will do Eve a favor.
If you guys would of kept fighting instead of crying for a nap with ATUK you would not be in 0.0
Tbh I don't think anyone actully dare or care to try to take over Delve.
You Will Cry My Name
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Kaiu
Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:50:00 -
[104]
No other leader in game, let alone Alliance have the co-ordination, time or energy to take on BOB as BOB do to others... True Fact. ____________________ MOGarmy
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Lt Widowmaker
Caldari StormTroopers
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Widowmaker on 09/11/2006 20:00:10 bob this, bob that, get a clue everyone, start using every tool CCP put in the game and you can be just like bob.
Here is how they win.
They USE EVERY TOOL IN THE GAME LIKE THEY SHOULD BE USED!
OMG now everyone is going to be just like bob.
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:01:00 -
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i for my part think bob gave up their space to concentrate on ascn. i believe that they plan living in paragon since ascn developed the infrastructure there pretty nicely. its totally easy to conquer bobs space since there is no defence. all of bobs pilots sit in paragon soul trying to "steamroll" the inhabitants and ofc they sit here and carefully read any of ur posts and prepare for an answer. imo every alliance which settles in bobs space has a good time right now. if bob tries to defend its home ascn will roll in and bob will fight the conquerer and an angry bunch of hobbits who want a piece aswell.
my 2 isk
Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:01:00 -
[107]
[speaking as an individual...]
If ASCN wants allies, then it should seek them effectively. Allies are based on mutual self-interest. If ASCN merely intends to dig in and wait this out, then there is no incentive for anyone to come battle BoB in the meanwhile.
Tell ASCN to buy a major alliance a bunch of dreads specifically to go shoot BoB with. If ASCN lacks combat manpower, but has vast wealth (which seems to be the case), then leverage that for a win. I'm quite sure there is a price at which ASCN could literally buy itself friends.
There's plenty of BoB dislike to go around. Do you really think it would be so hard to capitalize on that with good diplomacy and the right incentives?
Forum spam isn't it. But its not so hard to come up with scenarios that make many things work. If ASCN was actually feeling significantly pressured (and who knows, maybe they aren't, hard to sort the garbage from the reality in this medium), then there are many options they could explore.
Have fun.
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Shinjuro
Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:03:00 -
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Very simple to answer.. The North (in it's entirety) dislikes both ASCN and BoB. On a side note: Pos Warfare vs Suicide bombing Jita.. Hmm tough one there .
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:12:00 -
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Why in the world would we in the North want to help ASCN by attacking BoB?
I think the idea is to let the two beat on each-other while they ramp up production to deal with the onslaught that will surely come after this little issue down south is resolved.
The North had been alight with flames for a long time. It's now in a stage of rebuilding. Even BoB takes building breaks.
Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer |
whisk
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:23:00 -
[110]
Quick somebody call the mgrl, they'll come and save the day for the mighty ascn!
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DeltaH
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:28:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Mistress Suffering Tell ASCN to buy a major alliance a bunch of dreads specifically to go shoot BoB with. If ASCN lacks combat manpower, but has vast wealth (which seems to be the case), then leverage that for a win. I'm quite sure there is a price at which ASCN could literally buy itself friends.
The problem with leveraging wealth is that you run the risk of the people you employ to fight realizing that they could skip the middleman and take the very source of your wealth you have now advertised you are unable to defend.
-DeltaH ---
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:46:00 -
[112]
who is this bob guy that everyone hates? ________________________________________________________ For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com |
Acwron
Minmatar Cataclysm Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:46:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Acwron on 09/11/2006 20:56:09 If ASCN wants D¦ to "help" them they need to tell us first and come up with quite a bit of compensation...
afaik this didn't happen yet. Why would we just go out to help ASCN?
tbh I would be more concerned about RA/Goon/TCF/etc. than Bob... ___________________________________
As for the ASCN vs. BoB war. BoB is making very slow progress (1-2 systems in what 6 weeks?) though one must be surprised about ASCN inability to kill BoB dreads. A fool proof way to kill dreads given current BoB tactics (one can see their tactics pretty clearly on their killboard if one doesn't have an other information) should be a one page document. ASCN should have the resources and manpower to pull it off. They either lack the will to do it or the skill.
If it's the later they should seek for proper campaign leadership and help.
Given the current BoB tactics they cann't take a system without losing quite a few of dreads (even if it's only 1-3 per POS).
If ASCN are unable to deliver whats the point in "saving" them?
And as I said given resources and manpower it's foolproof.
PS: from fleetbattle point of view AAA seems to be making better progress than BoB.
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Dogsta
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:56:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Dogsta on 09/11/2006 20:57:13 It's been said before,99% of the "NORTH" are having a field day watching 2 of our biggest headaches beat on eachother. why should we "rally" and fight the "Ebil". who is the OP to decide who is evil? why is BoB more evil then ASCN?
many times in this thread many persons sight "Fear" and "Cowardace" as reasons for the other big alliance to not step up and attack the ebil bob. got some newz for these people. We are not frightend by BoB, we are more then aware where they will likly turn after they finish with ASCN, although there is 8 "new" regions to play in soonish so maybe thats where well all be braking stuff. but honestly, why would any of us wish to really interfere in the little thing in the south except to maybe take a pot shot at unwary ascn/bob pilots? and as for the ungodlyness of playing POS wars in delve and Period Basis, I would waaay rather have my fingernails pulled out with tweezers. *A*W*T* 4TW [ 2006.08.19 23:00:03 ] Latton CALLAN > the win to TCF is to reach objective: having 0.0 space, soveraignty, station |
Sean Dillon
Caldari Privateers
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Posted - 2006.11.09 21:24:00 -
[115]
We do what we can.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.11.09 21:39:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Gierling In all honosty no one really wants to be the one to help the "hobbits".
We may be personally liked, but as an organization we are probably the most disliked entity in the game.
Because our style of play is "insulting" to "Real" eve players.
We allow casual players and spend most of our time carebearing/building stuff. We don't "Pwn so hard" nor do we claim to or want to claim to.
Everyone more or less thinks that we should be off playing Civ 4, or maybe mining veld in empire space, however (to paraphrase ATUK from long long ago) we don't deserve to be in 0.0 and anyone who removes us will do Eve a favor.
At the very least we are seen as delusional, at most as vagrants and squatters. Either way no serious pvp entity thinks that we have any right to be in 0.0.
And you guys have been living up to all of those stereotypes perfectly so far. Prove everyone wrong and you might be surprised at the outcome.
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig **** what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then?
Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
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ChalSto
The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.09 21:54:00 -
[117]
Well......I want to quote a good-pvp¦er.... "You cant solo BoB". Well.....he¦s right. But he forgot "You also cant solo ASCN". If everyone would be honest, u should come to the conclusion, that noone knows the outcome of this war....even the two forces itself...... and no ASCN/BoB propaganda machine can change that. Lay down....cook tea.......eat popcorn....and enjoy the slughfest If ur allie is up to have a go against BoB....oh well.....so do it ffs. I did allready (not with this char).....had alot of fun. Nice battles, little smack.......I enjoyed it tbh....even after we lost. But was one of my best times, tbh. Learned alot. And at least, BoB makes EvE in somekind enjoyable (becouse atm I¦m bored of logoffskies, exploitskies and smackskies, TBH).
Enjoy EvE
After 3 years in EvE, I finaly can say, that I lost more ships due to lag and bugs, than in any battle.
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Hugo Kaviene
ThE CoVeN ParTnerShiP
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Posted - 2006.11.09 21:58:00 -
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Well, let's think about this.
There are two different styles of play at hand. ASCN wants to maintain their sovereignty while flexing some of their muscles. Territorial gain for their growing population is the main impetus for their conflicts with neighbors. Their respect for foreign nation-states' sovereignty is questionable at best. BoB wants to flex its muscles by attacking someone who they regard as a challenging target. In the same token, BoB probably won't attack any old mom-and-pop alliances unless they have grown plump target for their pickings or just unluckily offended BoB. The way in which the two sides thrive at what they do is why they are at odds.
Furthermore, the reason why other alliances are not taking sides is simple: the conflict still has yet to unfold to the scale of routs. ASCN membership hasn't quit in droves, their leadership has not quit, nor BoB's territorial holdings under constant and unrelenting siege (it's more operation by operation basis).
The simple fact may be that other alliances are waiting to see who will come out at top, that inflection point will decide their involvement.
But then again, who knows? Both sides may have miscalculated the odds of their eventual victory and this conflict may just yet fizzle into skirmishes. ---------------------------- Retiree
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.09 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hugo Kaviene Well, let's think about this.
There are two different styles of play at hand. ASCN wants to maintain their sovereignty while flexing some of their muscles. Territorial gain for their growing population is the main impetus for their conflicts with neighbors. Their respect for foreign nation-states' sovereignty is questionable at best. BoB wants to flex its muscles by attacking someone who they regard as a challenging target. In the same token, BoB probably won't attack any old mom-and-pop alliances unless they have grown plump target for their pickings or just unluckily offended BoB. The way in which the two sides thrive at what they do is why they are at odds.
Furthermore, the reason why other alliances are not taking sides is simple: the conflict still has yet to unfold to the scale of routs. ASCN membership hasn't quit in droves, their leadership has not quit, nor BoB's territorial holdings under constant and unrelenting siege (it's more operation by operation basis).
The simple fact may be that other alliances are waiting to see who will come out at top, that inflection point will decide their involvement.
But then again, who knows? Both sides may have miscalculated the odds of their eventual victory and this conflict may just yet fizzle into skirmishes.
FYI ASCN is down 1k members since the start of the war. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
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batloard
Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.09 22:42:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Dogsta Edited by: Dogsta on 09/11/2006 20:57:13 It's been said before,99% of the "NORTH" are having a field day watching 2 of our biggest headaches beat on eachother. why should we "rally" and fight the "Ebil". who is the OP to decide who is evil? why is BoB more evil then ASCN?
many times in this thread many persons sight "Fear" and "Cowardace" as reasons for the other big alliance to not step up and attack the ebil bob. got some newz for these people. We are not frightend by BoB, we are more then aware where they will likly turn after they finish with ASCN, although there is 8 "new" regions to play in soonish so maybe thats where well all be braking stuff. but honestly, why would any of us wish to really interfere in the little thing in the south except to maybe take a pot shot at unwary ascn/bob pilots? and as for the ungodlyness of playing POS wars in delve and Period Basis, I would waaay rather have my fingernails pulled out with tweezers.
hasent the past experiences changed your views???? what about VC vs bob and the hopeless defence of d4k? Tbh bob have ticked off many major alliances and they all refuse to budge. But respects to bob for actually bringing the fight to the enemy, very few alliances will. I personally would like to see ASCN win, if bob were gone it would give eve a seven kingdoms feel.
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