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Nebuli
Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.10 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Edited by: Dianabolic on 10/11/2006 19:26:20
Originally by: Nebuli The question asked by the OP is why more people dont attack BOB, the simple answer is most people myself included have absoltely zero desire to shoot POS after POS for weeks on end.
Other than the fact that you don't NEED to shoot at pos to come shoot at us (we don't hide) you never said the words "I", or "we", you said "YOU".
As for getting over myself, well, that may well be true, I guess seeing as you're to soft to come do anything about it though I'll just sit here laughing at you.
Are you saying that to defeat BOB all it would take is to shoot at you some? no one would need to remove any of your POS?
Honestly listen to yourself, like being back at junior school, "my dad could beat your dad up"
CEO - Art of War
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.10 19:33:00 -
[152]
In the vein of referring to the "op", he said "attack", not "beat".
There's a difference.
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Lag Fest
CAPITAL TRUST FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.10 19:35:00 -
[153]
OH PLEASE!!!!! gimme a break..
"buhu ppl lets get together and kill off the big bad monster" Cmon lets get real a bit here..Engaging BoB would mean immense POS wars, countless hours spent staring at the warp bubbles and for what? Because BoB are killing off the incompetent excuse for an alliance? please. And also by this time, ASCN don't have that many friends left. _______________________________________
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Nebuli
Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.10 19:56:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Dianabolic In the vein of referring to the "op", he said "attack", not "beat".
There's a difference.
Theres a difference?
CEO - Art of War
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2006.11.10 20:18:00 -
[155]
cant be bothered to read all this hot air, which group of forum warriors have actually declared war on BOB?
I can imagine the OP has plenty of excuses why he wont, otherwise posting this might have meant he had to do something. |
welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 11/11/2006 22:19:14 I think the problem is simple.
Boredom that goes with alliance warfare > Destroying BoB's forum attitude.
We all want to kill BoB because of how some of them act on here, thing is we can't be arsed.
Credit to BoB, along with RA they're the only organised group of individuals in this game who can be bothered to partake in the boredom that is all-out alliance warfare.
It's the whole warfare concept in Eve thats broken, it'd be better if it was just a glorified game of capture the flag. It boils down to the 'empires being too easy to create but too hard to destroy' thing again if you ask me.
If the game is going to progress as it is we need better tools for dismantling entities.
Hi slothe o/ :)
Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Nebuli Go in alliance chat and say "hey guys wanna spend a month shooting some POS?" and see how many people jump at the chance lol.
Erm, yes?
Shooting pos is all about the setup. Kill enough of them, wind them down to reinforced timers constantly and you force a fight. It's not perfect but, well, if it bores you, oh well - we've adapted, can you?
I think "We can be arsed, can you?" is a better choice of words tbh Diana.
Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Dogsta
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:51:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Angela Toren Edited by: Angela Toren on 10/11/2006 16:50:42
Nobody is taking a swing at BOB for the simple reason that they are afraid of future repercussions.
Wrong. if most of us were scared of BoB we wouldn't shoot them everytime we see them, low sec thru to true 0.0 . The part you and many others are missing is We dont care if ascn falls, or if BoB falls. We have no love for either. *A*W*T* 4TW [ 2006.08.19 23:00:03 ] Latton CALLAN > the win to TCF is to reach objective: having 0.0 space, soveraignty, station
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 11/11/2006 23:00:19 Edited by: LUKEC on 11/11/2006 22:57:11
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I think "We can be arsed, can you?" is a better choice of words tbh Diana.
We can be... there are few reasons: a. poses can't be insured, so little griefers in us are satisfied b. poses can't logoff c. poses can't hide inside pos shields d. we can do whoruming while doing it e. tbh we have nothing else to do in this "war"
... Yes there is better pvp than shooting poses, I agree. But we are satisfied with situation atm since there isn't any better available anywhere. Let me explain this little further: i'll gladly exchange moros for mega and go to fight any time, but I'll take moros over mega any time that i'd have to waste sitting in POS for 10 hours.
Edit: I forgot something: poses are also like gifts, you never know what will pop out of some structures ----------------------------------------------- KALdarI WILL SAVE US ALL...
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Jonny Damordred
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: slothe Can some other Alliances please atack BoB?
No.
Cheers, Jonny D.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard I think "We can be arsed, can you?" is a better choice of words tbh Diana.
tbh WW, I agree with you. Insofar as, we can be arsed to sit at a pos, destroying assets, to force a fight. We're not content with it falling in our lap (as thankful as we are when that happens), we WILL go out and force the fight - killing pos is stacked in favour of the defender, everyone knows this - so we deserve no discredit for doing so. If people won't defend their assets, then oh well - in the type of warfare it requires (and yes, I agree, it could do with improving - though lag is still the #1 issue for me and I have presented a number of ideas for sovereignty and alliance warfare to CCP that would improve (imo ofc) this type of gamesmanship) we're quite happy to win the "isk race" by taking down the towers.
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laotse
Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.12 01:52:00 -
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dia it must be hard to have no live at all i feel sorry for you m8 mail in game if you wanne talk 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: laotse dia it must be hard to have no live at all i feel sorry for you m8 mail in game if you wanne talk
As is quite obvious, in the absence of other people to talk to I am quite happy conversing with myself.
Thanks for the offer though, I'll note your name down as a good samaritan.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.12 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Lorth on 12/11/2006 02:09:55
Originally by: Metal Dude Emmm, no one can defeat BoB except BoB itself. All that can be done to BoB is BoBs space can be taken away. People with short memories should be reminded what happens when a PVP force gives up/loses itĘs space and goes looking for payback. EVE history FTW. But please, by all means. Come on down.
I really enjoyed the time I didnĘt have to worry about protecting, destroying, fueling POSes, guarding stations, freighter runs and could concentrate on shooting 23/7 for 6 months strait. Those were the days. You remember that Slothe? Remembers what happened to your alliance when you ganged up on ATUK / [5] and thought you could finish us off? Too bad you didnĘt learn your lesson the first time.
You know I think this post rings the truest of anything thats posted on this thread as of yet.
CA lost thier space, and then all hell broke lose on the Eve landscape. How many alliences died and lost thier space during that time?
[5] left thier space and wondered around. And no sane person could ever spin that as a good out come for PA (part 3) or NSBI or FE. Cause lets face it they got beat down pretty hard.
I don't know what would happen if BOB were to suddenly come under attack from all sides. I don't think they could handle it TBH, at least an organized effort from a lot of people, there's not much doubt they would end up back in empire because of it. Though given whats happened in the past, and given how close knit the corps seem to be. I would think the best thing for most alliences is to let them do their thing while you remain in peace.
Though people seem to forget a lot of things.
1: Organising a mass allience attack like this would be something that eve has not seen ever. Sure EC was a massive attack, but in the end it only lasted a week, and thats not enough time at all. Something this big has never been done, ever, and would take much more then a week, it simply wouldn't last long enough before they started to shoot eachother.
2: When I think about the pilots I know in Razor Iron, and D2, I don't think they actually care who wins. Bob are there sworn enemys, but I would honestly bet RL money that the majority of thier pilots want BOB to destroy ASCN rather then the other way around. There is no doubt in my mind that if they do attack BOB it certainly will not be to help ASCN.
3: Errmmm.. ASCN... They kinnda have to be in this thing by default don't they? I know I'm supposed to be nuetral in this whole thing given my corp choice. But there is no way in the world that anyone can say having ASCN by your side in a fight is a good thing considering thier track record against pretty much everyone else. There's nothing one sided in looking at what currently happening and saying ASCN arn't very good, since that pretty much the obvious conclusion.
4: Why? Why is there this constant idea that BOB have to die? Do you know what needs to happen, everyone else needs to get as good as BOB. How about rather then trying to knock the precieved top player down, we all focus on why they are as good as they are and work on ourselves? "hey they are better then us lets all gang up and kill them" theroy only works to the point where you relieze that even if it works, your still a crummy allience at the end of it.
You know eve as a whole would be better served if people took a look at what BOB does to be as good as they are and then tryed to take them selves to that level. The reasons they are the power block in this game are pretty obvious to me, though I freely admit that I don't have the skills to mold a group of my own like that. But surly there has to be someone else in eve that has the common sence to see what BOB do well, and the leadership skills to make it all work in anouther allience?
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Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.12 05:19:00 -
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Shooting POS makes you throw up blood. -----------------
Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.12 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Why is there this constant idea that BOB have to die? Do you know what needs to happen, everyone else needs to get as good as BOB. How about rather then trying to knock the precieved top player down, we all focus on why they are as good as they are and work on ourselves? "hey they are better then us lets all gang up and kill them" theroy only works to the point where you relieze that even if it works, your still a crummy allience at the end of it.
You know eve as a whole would be better served if people took a look at what BOB does to be as good as they are and then tryed to take them selves to that level. The reasons they are the power block in this game are pretty obvious to me, though I freely admit that I don't have the skills to mold a group of my own like that. But surly there has to be someone else in eve that has the common sence to see what BOB do well, and the leadership skills to make it all work in anouther allience?
Quoted for absolute 100% truth.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.12 05:48:00 -
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Edited by: Murukan on 12/11/2006 05:57:08 eek you're right, and i'm running out of bans too
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Ab Initio
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan Do you make sure to coddle the balls when you go down on BoB as well? Cause you know it really makes the whole experience better
Here's hoping you get a forum ban for that one. There's no place on these forums for that crap.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio Edited by: Ab Initio on 12/11/2006 06:01:12
Originally by: Murukan ...
Here's hoping you get a forum ban for that one. There's no place on these forums for that crap.
As for the actual post by Lorth, it was spot on. Nez made the same point within the last couple of days in his own posts (I would assume thats why he QFT). Personally I would have considered it common sense, however your post seems to indicate that it isn't so common after all.
Well tbh i think there are alliances out there that are good enough to take the fight to you guys they just get caught up in the forum hype that you guys do so well that they forget about the pair between their legs and nap everything instead.
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:09:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 12/11/2006 06:15:53
Originally by: Ab Initio
Nez made the same point within the last couple of days in his own posts (I would assume thats why he QFT).
Yep pretty much Ab... the problem ofc is that you can say things like this that are true till you are blue in the face. Some people... and it seems there are a lot of them around, just won't get it, which probably explains the gargantuan gap between BoB and most of the rest of EVE.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 12/11/2006 06:18:06
Originally by: Murukan
Well tbh i think there are alliances out there that are good enough to take the fight to you guys they just get caught up in the forum hype that you guys do so well that they forget about the pair between their legs and nap everything instead.
Thats a load of rubbish and you know it Murakan.. assuming there are entities out there that are as good as BoB is when it comes to 0.0 affairs.. then why should what BoB do bother them?
If there is an alliance out there as good as BoB is, then BoB's actions won't be as important to them as everybody makes them out to be.
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BlackHorizon
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHorizon on 12/11/2006 06:21:02 Muru, everything has a time and place. Nothing lives forever .
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 12/11/2006 06:18:06
Originally by: Murukan
Well tbh i think there are alliances out there that are good enough to take the fight to you guys they just get caught up in the forum hype that you guys do so well that they forget about the pair between their legs and nap everything instead.
Thats a load of rubbish and you know it Murakan.. assuming there are entities out there that are as good as BoB is when it comes to 0.0 affairs.. then why should what BoB do bother them?
If there is an alliance out there as good as BoB is, then BoB's actions won't be as important to them as everybody makes them out to be.
I never said as good at 0.0 affairs since there's a lot more to affairs than just fighting. There are plenty of alliances out there that can fleet fight plenty well. They aren't exactly complex operations which is why it's so puzzling that ascn seems to be so bad at them. I'm just saying that there are alliances that could really bring the fight to BoB but unfortunately the idea of disrupting their carebear heaven is too much for them.
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 12/11/2006 06:41:21
Originally by: Murukan
I'm just saying that there are alliances that could really bring the fight to BoB but unfortunately the idea of disrupting their carebear heaven is too much for them.
Wait a second..... you are saying that there are alliances out there that could fight BoB but can't be bothered because they are too busy carebearing......
well let them.. whats it to you?
They obviously think that carebearing is more important.. and it probably is... more power to them... right?
You know whats really going on here... I'll tell you what it is.. and you won't like to hear it.
There are a bunch of people out there that at the mere mention of BoB go into a crazed frenzy and start foaming at the mouth.. unfortunately they are too lazy/inept/lacking in-game time to actually do anything about it bar rant on the forums. By ranting on the forums, they hope against hope that somebody will do what they want to do and can't....
Thats the sad truth ... and the only possible explanation why this kind of thread manages to hit 6 pages twice within the space of a week.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:40:00 -
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what would the forums be without ranting
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 12/11/2006 06:40:34
Originally by: slothe
Cmdr "Primary" Woodlouse , comon dude you could have defeated 5 before and failed to do so, you going to fail to act again now?
What are you talking about?
1. We failed to defeat 5 when they disbanded? *confused*
2. I dont have any leading position anymore since D2 started.
3. I emigrated to spain and play eve for exacctly 1 hours a week. I have better things to do tbh. --------------------------------
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan what would the forums be without ranting
perhaps.. but there is something to be said for ranting that has a purpose or some logical conclusion to it....
This "Somebody attack BoB pls, pretty pls with Sugar ontop" rant is retarded.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.12 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Murukan what would the forums be without ranting
perhaps.. but there is something to be said for ranting that has a purpose or some logical conclusion to it....
This "Somebody attack BoB pls, pretty pls with Sugar ontop" rant is retarded.
Got any better ideas Nez?
Aye.
Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Eskalin
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Have you ever thought that POS warefare simply isn't fun?
Signed... did I just agree agree with a D2 chap
your no longer my daddy i cant even talk to you right now
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Eskalin
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Reto i for my part think bob gave up their space to concentrate on ascn. i believe that they plan living in paragon since ascn developed the infrastructure there pretty nicely.
no that was a single corp called setenta that put up 3 outposts in paragon not ascn
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