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EL TITAN Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 22:48:00 - [121] Edited by: EL TITAN on 09/11/2006 22:48:38 Originally by: Evil Thug Edited by: Evil Thug on 09/11/2006 19:30:35 Originally by: Koval What fool would lead 50 active men corp directly against fleets of alliance that can easly bring houndreds of pvpers? We did - attacked 5ive. We make them leave with 16 active (14+ hours of playing EVE per day) players. Hows that mothership ofs yours you were building?? Oh wait.... Oh and btw, in your dreams ;o _________________________________________________ <3 hi
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:22:00 - [122] Think alot of the reasons EVE is kinda stagnant/boring on the alliance vs alliance thing, and the reason alot more wars arent raging and people arent attacking BOB in a "meaningfull" way is purealy down to POS. Who wants to shoot POS? POS ruined the game in alot of ways imo, granted they have allowed alot of systems to be utilised that werent before, I remember when living in Tenerifis years ago, even before it got stations there were systems all over the place with good ore etc which no one could utilise, even when stations were placed mining 15 jumps away from one to mine nice ore was just not going to happen. But other than that, they suck donkey ****. Wanna hurt BOB or any alliance claiming 0.0 space you have to shoot bucket loads of POS, even forgetting about the fact its nigh on impossible with the server the way it is, it has to be one of the most boring things in EVE. Go in alliance chat and say "hey guys wanna spend a month shooting some POS?" and see how many people jump at the chance lol. CEO - Art of War
Oreh Anavrin No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:32:00 - [123] Agreed Nebuli. If BoB and ASCN fell then their would be a great power vacuum and I believe that choas would envelope eve. It would be fun times. But most seem to be gearing for kali so I shall hope that many wars come then. ________________________________________ 12 inches of pure t2 cruise missile looove
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:36:00 - [124] Originally by: Nebuli Go in alliance chat and say "hey guys wanna spend a month shooting some POS?" and see how many people jump at the chance lol. Erm, yes? Shooting pos is all about the setup. Kill enough of them, wind them down to reinforced timers constantly and you force a fight. It's not perfect but, well, if it bores you, oh well - we've adapted, can you?
Remmington Daniels Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:37:00 - [125] Originally by: Oreh Anavrin Agreed Nebuli. If BoB and ASCN fell then their would be a great power vacuum and I believe that choas would envelope eve. It would be fun times. But most seem to be gearing for kali so I shall hope that many wars come then. its not going to happen though is it. Incidently on a S vs N perspective isnt it 2-0 on Titans?
Eutectic Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:48:00 - [126] Once again another funny let's get BoB post. Honestly the named alliances by the OP that should attack are under no illusions that they could be next for BoB. News for you though, most of us don't care. Another news flash we've all had dealings with ASCN as well and are under no illusions about how quickly we'd be stabbed in back if we did help. Toss in the CCP lag machine and POS warfare as well and the incentive to become 'involved' is about zero.
Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:45:00 - [127] Originally by: ponieus FYI ASCN is down 1k members since the start of the war. correction: 619, or around 12% I don't know for certain, but I suspect paranoia and an attempt at alliance cleaning to be partially to blame. We've yet to see the kind of fragmentation that will indicate ASCN is falling apart. BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.10 02:08:00 - [128] Edited by: Nebuli on 10/11/2006 02:08:19 Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nebuli Go in alliance chat and say "hey guys wanna spend a month shooting some POS?" and see how many people jump at the chance lol. Erm, yes? Shooting pos is all about the setup. Kill enough of them, wind them down to reinforced timers constantly and you force a fight. It's not perfect but, well, if it bores you, oh well - we've adapted, can you? Yes I have adapted thanks, I left the POS wars behind when we left V and have been happy for it, we have actualy destroyed a handfull of POS since leaving V, and placed a MED low defended POS on purpose to try and force someone to attack it (which worked) but other than that avoiding POS fighting 4tw. So yes we have adapted thanks, we just avoid it, simple. CEO - Art of War
Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.10 02:10:00 - [129] I "adapted" by mining on day 1 to shooting people on day 2. [EVE TASK BAR?]
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.10 03:18:00 - [130] Hey hans.. i love the sig. that's a great game Fallout hehehe
Schani Kratnorr Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:35:00 - [131] Originally by: Crovan Originally by: Schani Kratnorr On a personal note, I find it discouraging that the one entity that could balance things out has abstained in this conflict. I know MC have their reasons, but come on, really, who among the community wouldn't have loved to see BoB vs. ASCN/MC? Instead of this (apparently) one sided fight?... Thanks for the vote of confidence Fact is that neither side really wants us there, and there's no sense in our going where we aren't wanted (and thus won't be getting paid). Indeed. If you're not welcome and wont get a single ISK, then there is no reason to go. I didn't realize that neither side wanted you there, in fact I asumed (like many outsiders) that MC had deliberately stayed away from this fight because of the territorial ties between BoB and MC, but if ASCN dont want you there, well... I dont get it, but that's their choice I would have liked to see you mix it up, but alas the fight was always going to be one-sided with ASCN all by themselves. Time to lean back, grab some popcorn and watch the remainder of this entirely predictable "flick" How will ASCN get out of this? Will BoB succumb to the ordinary flu? How will X-mas effect the war if it lasts that long? And how will KALI1 effect the conflict provided ASCN doesn't disintegrate? Exiting... -- "I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:38:00 - [132] Schani, do you really think the MC would make that much of a long term difference? MC are shock troops, they're not occupation soldiers. ASCN could spunk every single isk they have on contracts with MC and, at the end of it, even IF them being involved forced us on the backfoot, BoB would still be standing and ASCN would be even poorer than if they tried dealing with us themselves. What is perhaps even more interesting is that the number of people saying "attack BoB" or being armchair generals in this war actually outnumber those who are actually fighting. Strange that. As for those that "avoid pos", good luck to you, it's not for everybody, I guess after three years we over here in the high end enjoy putting 25b+ of ships on the line, maybe we've run down the adrenaline so much we just need bigger hits. Who knows.
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:45:00 - [133] BoB have built themselves a reputation, their roar is most definately worse than their bite, but it seems to be working well for them. Established alliances who think they could take BoB probably already have conq space and dont have a reason to attack. Other alliances who want to take conq space probably believe they cannot take BoB (this may or may not be true) and will attempt to conquer easier space instead. BoB is definately weaker now, but you need to find people who (A) want the space and (B) think they can win. Not so easy to find at the moment.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:49:00 - [134] Originally by: Fubear you need to find people who (A) want the space and (B) think they can win. Not so easy to find at the moment. tadaaaa....we have a winner. Thats the answer to the OP's question, period.
TalanR Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:07:00 - [135] I personally think that BoB is fighting ASCN so they can use it as an excuse for ignoring Goon. They said that Goon wasnÆt allowed to control 0.0 space and now that they have it everyone is looking to BoB for a reaction to this. ItÆs to much of a coincidence that when Goon started taking control of 0.0 space BoB attacked ASCN. plz correct me if i'm wrong TalanR *this is my personal opinion and doesnÆt reflect the opinion of my corporation or alliance
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:18:00 - [136] Edited by: Nebuli on 10/11/2006 15:18:04 Originally by: Dianabolic Schani, do you really think the MC would make that much of a long term difference? MC are shock troops, they're not occupation soldiers. ASCN could spunk every single isk they have on contracts with MC and, at the end of it, even IF them being involved forced us on the backfoot, BoB would still be standing and ASCN would be even poorer than if they tried dealing with us themselves. What is perhaps even more interesting is that the number of people saying "attack BoB" or being armchair generals in this war actually outnumber those who are actually fighting. Strange that. As for those that "avoid pos", good luck to you, it's not for everybody, I guess after three years we over here in the high end enjoy putting 25b+ of ships on the line, maybe we've run down the adrenaline so much we just need bigger hits. Who knows. "We over here in the high end" ? I've played since release if thats what youre getting at, I joined a pvp corp after 2 weeks into the game and was part of the original great northern war with Jade Constantine and TTI etc. Been involved with ALOT of POS warfare putting billions of ISK on the line, its NOT fun, doesnt matter if it was 100 billion ISK being put on the line, that doesnt make camping gates and shooting POS "fun" does it? Honestly from your post, think you REALY need to get over yourself.... CEO - Art of War
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:27:00 - [137] Originally by: Nebuli I've played since release if thats what youre getting at, I joined a pvp corp after 2 weeks into the game and was part of the original great northern war with Jade Constantine and TTI etc. Been involved with ALOT of POS warfare putting billions of ISK on the line, its NOT fun, doesnt matter if it was 100 billion ISK being put on the line, that doesnt make camping gates and shooting POS "fun" does it? Honestly from your post, think you REALY need to get over yourself.... That's nice for you. Whether you like it or not the "empire building" part of EvE IS the high end. You can't build an empire if you prevent yourself from playing parts of the game, ESPECIALLY pos, cap ship assembly and outpost construction. And, honestly, from your post, I don't think you "get" it, so whether or not I need to get over myself is really immaterial, because I've made it as clear as I possibly can. "we don't do pos" = "you'll never benefit from pos" and, without that, no, you're not in "the high end" of eve gaming - that being the construction, or destruction, of an empire.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:41:00 - [138] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nebuli I've played since release if thats what youre getting at, I joined a pvp corp after 2 weeks into the game and was part of the original great northern war with Jade Constantine and TTI etc. Been involved with ALOT of POS warfare putting billions of ISK on the line, its NOT fun, doesnt matter if it was 100 billion ISK being put on the line, that doesnt make camping gates and shooting POS "fun" does it? Honestly from your post, think you REALY need to get over yourself.... That's nice for you. Whether you like it or not the "empire building" part of EvE IS the high end. You can't build an empire if you prevent yourself from playing parts of the game, ESPECIALLY pos, cap ship assembly and outpost construction. And, honestly, from your post, I don't think you "get" it, so whether or not I need to get over myself is really immaterial, because I've made it as clear as I possibly can. "we don't do pos" = "you'll never benefit from pos" and, without that, no, you're not in "the high end" of eve gaming - that being the construction, or destruction, of an empire. Think you dont get it tbh, I'll try in a different way.. Been there, done that, got multiple T-shirts, its NOT fun. This is a game, you do what makes the game fun, shooting POS, fueling POS yadda yadda is NOT fun. CEO - Art of War
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:11:00 - [139] Originally by: Nebuli This is a game, you do what makes the game fun, shooting POS, fueling POS yadda yadda is NOT fun. Funnily enough we're enjoying this time in PS. Funnily enough we have pilots, dirty evil combat orientated pilots, volunteering to run pos. Is complex'ing every day, fun? Mining? Agent running? Empire trading? We do all of those things, too. It's not our problem you guys aren't creative enough to come up with ways to find fun in the boring jobs that HAVE to be done, so don't tar us with that brush, thanks.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:19:00 - [140] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nebuli This is a game, you do what makes the game fun, shooting POS, fueling POS yadda yadda is NOT fun. Funnily enough we're enjoying this time in PS. Funnily enough we have pilots, dirty evil combat orientated pilots, volunteering to run pos. Is complex'ing every day, fun? Mining? Agent running? Empire trading? We do all of those things, too. It's not our problem you guys aren't creative enough to come up with ways to find fun in the boring jobs that HAVE to be done, so don't tar us with that brush, thanks. Hmm? Tar with what brush? I said you do what makes the game fun, for us running POS, gate camping and shooting POS ISNT fun so we "us" not "you" dont do them, if "you" find it fun thats great, carry on doing it and hope you have fun doing it in the future, more power to you. What my "original" point was before you tryed to turn it into a you dont play the game properly or p***ing contest, is that ALOT of others are similar to us, have been there and done it before and found it about as much fun as pocking yourself in the eye with a sharp stick, so we dont do it anymore, we do what "we" find fun. This is why alot of people are unwilling to attack ASCN/BOB/Any other alliance claiming 0.0 space in a way that will actualy HURT them, in other words conquer their space, because as said above its NOT fun for "us" so we dont do it, its as simple as that. Personaly know of a whole heap of corps that have left 0.0 alliance warfare and gone back to pvp in empire/tryed to go merc/attack random alliances etc etc to get away from POS, its a growing concern for me tbh, atm pvp IS more fun in non claimable 0.0 and empire for a large majority of players. CEO - Art of War
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:22:00 - [141] Originally by: Nebuli ...atm pvp IS more fun in non claimable 0.0 and empire for a large majority of players. Fair enough, so why were you trying to TELL me that doing all of the pos stuff "is NOT fun" (your words)?
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:46:00 - [142] IMO, ASCN should just liquidate all of their assets, retreat to Empire, and empty out all of the Empire belts in existence. Would be interesting to see them with a monopoly on Veldspar...
Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:47:00 - [143] Edited by: Angela Toren on 10/11/2006 16:50:42 Nobody is taking a swing at BOB for the simple reason that they are afraid of future repercussions. Lets take a hypothetical scenario: 1. Several alliances move en-masse south and stick bob hard in the back. 2. Bob get smashed and loose control of all territory. 3. Bob members start leaving/going into hibernation. 4. Sirmolle for the first time ever is reduced to humble words and declares the end of BOB. 5. Six months later bob reforms seemingly out of nowhere and systematically starts taking out each alliance that attacked them. 6. Everyone panicks, bob wins eve. The time is perfect to attack BOB, and yes your alliance could be the first to proudly claim you destroyed bob. But the consequences if they return are too much for some to risk. One day there will be no more bob, but rather than risk everything killing them, most would perfer them to self combust CA-style.
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.11.10 17:10:00 - [144] Originally by: Angela Toren Edited by: Angela Toren on 10/11/2006 16:50:42 Nobody is taking a swing at BOB for the simple reason that they are afraid of future repercussions. eh, nah, not so much It's like others have been saying. We have no desire to help ASCN at all, and that's the bottom line. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 17:26:00 - [145] The sheer lack of idiocy shown throughout this thread is surpassed only by the lack of information shown by armchair generals whom lack any understanding of who BoB are. Quote: 1. Several alliances move en-masse south and stick bob hard in the back. We have left the back door open (mgrl stay away from this) for some time now for anyone. Quote: 2. Bob get smashed and loose control of all territory. Well there ya go... that's the kicker isin't it. Rather fitting this is topic number two seeing as it's a pile of crap. The BoB gets smashed thing. That's the linchpin all this tinfoil hattery turns on, and it's a linchpin that noone has been able to put in place and capatilize on. Quote: 3. Bob members start leaving/going into hibernation. Have to make number 2 happen to begin with. That said, we are not like imperium, pa, fa etc. We don't have a bunch of crying carebears. Our carebears are better then most alliances primary pvp corps. Quote: 4. Sirmolle for the first time ever is reduced to humble words and declares the end of BOB. You have a better chance of seeing McGreedy and DBP exchanging love letters this week then you do of every seeing Molle being humble. Quote: 6. Everyone panicks, bob wins eve. We already won actually, weather anyone realizes it or not. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 17:38:00 - [146] Originally by: Angela Toren 3. Bob members start leaving/going into hibernation. Do you have any idea how many of our members came back from hibernation for this war? The scenario you're talking about would be more likely to bring people out of hibernation than send them there.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.10 17:46:00 - [147] Edited by: Fred0 on 10/11/2006 17:55:10 Gotta love the armchair generaling. How about you instead work hard enough in this game so that you can make all the moves you suggest. I¦m a member of the north and I¦ve shot EVOL since the day of the FA coupe and BOB since their formation through the GNW and all the other ***** times they've been up north so imho you can all just shut the ** up. And I¦ll continue to shoot them after 95% of the forum audience here has either begged for naps from them or joined them. The most ironic of these re tards ofcourse being the ASCN mob who has most definitely had all 5000 of their members dig their own grave. I¦m enjoying every second of this war so pls stop with the questions about the north and let the ASCN/BOB propaganda take center stage. EDIT: In short. Noone has fought them longer than us up north so pls cut us some slack and grow some brains and balls yourself.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:53:00 - [148] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nebuli ...atm pvp IS more fun in non claimable 0.0 and empire for a large majority of players. Fair enough, so why were you trying to TELL me that doing all of the pos stuff "is NOT fun" (your words)? Comes back to getting over yourself tbqh. Was refering to ME not YOU. The question asked by the OP is why more people dont attack BOB, the simple answer is most people myself included have absoltely zero desire to shoot POS after POS for weeks on end. Again that wasnt refering to YOU. CEO - Art of War
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:19:00 - [149] Originally by: ProphetGuru Quote: 4. Sirmolle for the first time ever is reduced to humble words and declares the end of BOB. You have a better chance of seeing McGreedy and DBP exchanging love letters this week then you do of every seeing Molle being humble. Quote: I wanna read those letters!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:24:00 - [150] Edited by: Dianabolic on 10/11/2006 19:26:20 Originally by: Nebuli The question asked by the OP is why more people dont attack BOB, the simple answer is most people myself included have absoltely zero desire to shoot POS after POS for weeks on end. Other than the fact that you don't NEED to shoot at pos to come shoot at us (we don't hide) you never said the words "I", or "we", you said "YOU". As for getting over myself, well, that may well be true, I guess seeing as you're to soft to come do anything about it though I'll just sit here laughing at you.

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