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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Sevarus James on 11/11/2006 17:35:05 Edited by: Sevarus James on 11/11/2006 17:15:20 whoa.
Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV |
Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:15:00 -
[2]
Followed by:
(Empty Space - Thinking) |
Kharakan
Amarr GREY COUNCIL Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:15:00 -
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bloody hell that was fast of you.
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Ash Vincetti
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:16:00 -
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****. just.... hell ******* yeah. and... ****. I'm... seriously speechless. -----
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:17:00 -
[5]
I'm completely not sure whether to laugh, or cheer or cry. Gonna listen to the rest of this first.
Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV |
ErbUs
Minmatar Free Industries Union
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:17:00 -
[6]
this should be really good for EVE
great oportunity and partner
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evistin
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:17:00 -
[7]
>>>>GOD DAMMIT>>>>> its like a dream -----------
Management and Leadership |
Happydayz
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:17:00 -
[8]
oh god, vampires in spaceships now
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Soratah
Amarr Yazata Spenta Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:17:00 -
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AHHHH Hasbro will own the world!!!
This should be an interesting partnership
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Jin Jemai
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:17:00 -
[10]
Edited by: Jin Jemai on 11/11/2006 17:20:14 Just saw this too, should be quite interesting :)
Vampire TMQ MMO in the future I betcha. ----- Im in ur Chicago wearing dresses at night. |
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:18:00 -
[11]
very interesting indeed.
Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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Maule
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:18:00 -
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what ? not everyone is wathing eve tv because its a slideshow :s So pls enlighten me
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Kisaku
Gallente Bloodstained Horizons
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Kisaku on 11/11/2006 17:18:42 Well didn't see that coming....
Info on the company:
http://www.white-wolf.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Wolf,_Inc.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:19:00 -
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"... our spaceships will now have fangs."
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Sevarus James on 11/11/2006 17:19:39 White wolf and CCP are merging. --for Maul.
Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV |
Kharakan
Amarr GREY COUNCIL Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Happydayz oh god, vampires in spaceships now
Got nos?
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Amd Cael
OLE Mining Corp Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:20:00 -
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"develop - board games, art, role playing games, strategy games, other card games, collectable minatures, comics, novels - all things this eve world is ready to develop into"
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SengH
Black Omega Security The OSS
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:20:00 -
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lol so much for nos getting the nerfbat. ---------------------------------------- Back for a month cus Awu5 finished..... |
Maule
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:20:00 -
[19]
ahh I see, should be very interesting
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:21:00 -
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Official Statement on the whitewolf homepage. --
Signature edited - this is your last warning - Jacques |
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Phoenix Lord
The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:21:00 -
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I heard collectable miniatures, im happy.
Arrow Capital Ship Sales |
Amd Cael
OLE Mining Corp Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:22:00 -
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And leave eve to do what they do best - develop the game. Good move I say.
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Stems
Gallente Trade Consortium Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:22:00 -
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All ships are going to come with NOS fitted by default
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Mr Ninjaface
Minmatar Shurekin INC
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:22:00 -
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the guy mentioned a RTS and a book... MY thoughts on Kali |
Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:22:00 -
[25]
okay....that was a real bombshell. They weren't kidding this time.
Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV |
Darkon Gatland
Amarr Firefly Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:23:00 -
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How come my thread gets locked!
I was here first and mine was all about Fanfest!
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ErbUs
Minmatar Free Industries Union
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:23:00 -
[27]
mini's sounds good to me
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:24:00 -
[28]
Heh.. took 3 minutes for a MMORPG.com new story alert about it to drop into my inbox :p
Should be interresting. ---
We are Recruiting! |
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:24:00 -
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I look forward to their new game:
Vampire: The Blood Raiders.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Phoenix Lord
The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:24:00 -
[30]
How mergers go wrong.
ROFLMAO
Arrow Capital Ship Sales |
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Kyozoku
Loot
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:24:00 -
[31]
White wolf kick ass. It'd be awesome if they took over the back story.
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Kisaku
Gallente Bloodstained Horizons
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Amd Cael "develop - board games, art, role playing games, strategy games, other card games, collectable minatures, comics, novels - all things this eve world is ready to develop into"
This could really advertise Eve in different ways. If we have Eve graphic novels, all the local manga fanboys will be exposed to it. Novels could be distributed to librarys exposing it to Science Fiction junkies.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:25:00 -
[33]
Seems logical to assume that white wolf will create the shooter part of the planetary exploration thing... since they have made lots of 3D games before.
--- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Pakalolo
Tha Shiznit
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:26:00 -
[34]
vampires? in a sodastream?
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:26:00 -
[35]
Eve's Future
GL White Wolf
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Togakure
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:27:00 -
[36]
White Wolf from Atlanta, maybe I can get a development job with CCP or White Wolf now.
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Amd Cael
OLE Mining Corp Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:27:00 -
[37]
yeah white wolf are taking over all the non game related stuff it seems :)
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:28:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Pakalolo vampires? in a sodastream?
Vampires???? In a sodastream????
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Soratah
Amarr Yazata Spenta Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:29:00 -
[39]
Eve RPG sounds totally stunning, I just hope they don't balk out and make it D20
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:29:00 -
[40]
Ship Models.
Oh-*******-yeah!
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50freefly
Caldari Purify
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:29:00 -
[41]
This looks like a very good thing.
These guys seem to be great with the roleplaying aspect of it, immersion will greatly improve, at least that's what I'm getting out of this speech.
Also, this frees up resources for the game, which is very good.
Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right.
And they never meet.
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Kyozoku
Loot
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kyozoku on 11/11/2006 17:32:30 I hope ccp's next game is based on the world of darkness.
edit: w00t he said it is!
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:32:00 -
[43]
So CCP gets W.O.D. online. More kay-boom news. This is awesome in the respect that the company is no longer a single "ip". Now we hope they don't derail into some other game companies we've seen get "big".
Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV |
Mr Ninjaface
Minmatar Shurekin INC
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:32:00 -
[44]
ccp making world of darkness online MY thoughts on Kali |
PanzerGrenadier
Caldari Templars of Space CORE.
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:32:00 -
[45]
Doing other games besides eve? :O
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Yolan
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:33:00 -
[46]
Droooool
Vampire, Werewolf, Mage online
/emote gets dragged away from the keyboard by his wife attempting to mop up the drool
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Kharakan
Amarr GREY COUNCIL Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:34:00 -
[47]
HOW many years?
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:35:00 -
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I'm so happy (and CCP will be incharge, which is good).
Also, props to Petur for being willing to move.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:36:00 -
[49]
This sounds kinda wrong ... I'd like to hear some official reasoning behind this (and not the PR version). From the perspective of someone interested only in EVE online (and not the CCG stuff), this is worrying, as the focus of the resulting company will not be EVE online alone.
I don't see any opportunities for synergy (only a small part of the EVE community will be interested in pen&paper RPGs and novels and the EVE player base won't increase due to this, since EVE isn't lacking in marketing, it's the lag and imbalances which scare off new players), so unless CCP needed the money, I can't explain this.
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ZZandra
Amarr Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:38:00 -
[50]
Fantastic! Eve is gonna explode again!
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Beor0d
Congregatio
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:39:00 -
[51]
I am playing Vampire, which is from white wolf, for some years now and its great.
Good decision CCP to get in contact with white wolf :) _______________________ Mining makes mad |
PanzerGrenadier
Caldari Templars of Space CORE.
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:40:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Pan Crastus This sounds kinda wrong ... I'd like to hear some official reasoning behind this (and not the PR version). From the perspective of someone interested only in EVE online (and not the CCG stuff), this is worrying, as the focus of the resulting company will not be EVE online alone.
I don't see any opportunities for synergy (only a small part of the EVE community will be interested in pen&paper RPGs and novels and the EVE player base won't increase due to this, since EVE isn't lacking in marketing, it's the lag and imbalances which scare off new players), so unless CCP needed the money, I can't explain this.
My concern exactly.
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Happydayz
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:42:00 -
[53]
Originally by: PanzerGrenadier
Originally by: Pan Crastus This sounds kinda wrong ... I'd like to hear some official reasoning behind this (and not the PR version). From the perspective of someone interested only in EVE online (and not the CCG stuff), this is worrying, as the focus of the resulting company will not be EVE online alone.
I don't see any opportunities for synergy (only a small part of the EVE community will be interested in pen&paper RPGs and novels and the EVE player base won't increase due to this, since EVE isn't lacking in marketing, it's the lag and imbalances which scare off new players), so unless CCP needed the money, I can't explain this.
My concern exactly.
The companies aren't going to merge corporate locations. CCP will still be working on the computer game in Iceland, whereas White Wolf will focus on the RPG portions from their old US corporate headquarters.
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Adoran Wa'alle
Caldari 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus and the EVE player base won't increase due to this, since EVE isn't lacking in marketing
It isn't lacking in marketing? I live in Norway, and I've seen ZERO EVE-O ads. ZERO retailers selling the game. And so on. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who read sci-fi novels and manga. This might get them interested in the game. So yeah, the player base might increase. ----------------------------------- Rawr. awrarawr! |
PanzerGrenadier
Caldari Templars of Space CORE.
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:45:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle
Originally by: Pan Crastus and the EVE player base won't increase due to this, since EVE isn't lacking in marketing
It isn't lacking in marketing? I live in Norway, and I've seen ZERO EVE-O ads. ZERO retailers selling the game. And so on. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who read sci-fi novels and manga. This might get them interested in the game. So yeah, the player base might increase.
Good point.
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Jin Jemai
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:47:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Pan Crastus This sounds kinda wrong ... I'd like to hear some official reasoning behind this (and not the PR version). From the perspective of someone interested only in EVE online (and not the CCG stuff), this is worrying, as the focus of the resulting company will not be EVE online alone.
I don't see any opportunities for synergy (only a small part of the EVE community will be interested in pen&paper RPGs and novels and the EVE player base won't increase due to this, since EVE isn't lacking in marketing, it's the lag and imbalances which scare off new players), so unless CCP needed the money, I can't explain this.
White Wolf will be handling the IP section of Eve, it will not affect the game whatsoever. CCP now just has a huge amount of additional resources and experience being added to their IP products such as the CCG, any RPG's and etc... ----- Im in ur Chicago wearing dresses at night. |
Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:47:00 -
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I approve, good to see CCP re-focusing on EVE. As for making a second game, it'd be inevitable, but I think they're a ways off from doing it.
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:47:00 -
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And thus the first part of "ccp sells out... the fanfest" should include an " at" instead of the dots.
I give this 80% chance to end in the trashcan and a mere 20% to turn into something good.
Basicly, it will turn into to much things that are "eve" and who will buy thoose siderelated eve things? Who will buy an eve rpg? An eve ccg? an eve boardgame? *cough* the fans already playing eve o *cough* spacerpgs? Already out there. CCG? Plenty out there. Boardgames? All out there...
I wont hold my breath for this mergers success.
/* Teach a rookie today watch him takedown a battleship tomorrow... */ |
Eveanne
Gallente Sperm Trumpet Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:50:00 -
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White Wolf develop the RPG aspects of EvE and from that comes the ideas for content for stuff like planetary inhabitation and faction warfare on a cosmic scale.
Get the history and content right by letting the players develop it themselves.
Awesome
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player007
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:00:00 -
[60]
Originally by: White-wolf website White Wolf will be operated as a wholly-owned subsidiary of CCP. Hilmar Petursson, Chief Executive Officer of CCP, will be CEO of the combined company
CCP are actually buying out White-wolf, or so it seems
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 11/11/2006 18:10:11 Think it's cool. Played Vampire-The Masquerade Redemption a long time ago. Loved that, got another one of that line, when I had no internet for a few weeks one month ago, didn't play the pen&paper stuff so far. So good luck.
... rofl just heard the comment about titans on cost-efficient EVE-TV.
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Araxmas
Caldari Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Plutoinum Think it's cool. Played Vampire-The Masquerade Redemption a long time ago. Loved that, although didn't play the pen&paper stuff so far. So good luck.
... rofl just heard the comment about titans on cost-efficient EVE-TV.
Wasn't 'vampire masquerade' created by Troika? or am i thinking of a different vampires? --------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:02:00 -
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Gutting- I just wrote a really good bit about the merger on the White Wolf Wikipedia page, only to find (in the preview) someone beat me to it -----------------------------------------------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:03:00 -
[64]
Linkage -----------------------------------------------
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Feyd Darkholme
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:03:00 -
[65]
Very interesting and exciting news I think. I can't wait to see what's in store... ---------------
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turnschuh
Eye of God
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:03:00 -
[66]
anyone care to explain what was announced exactly? whats eve rpg?
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TOGAKURE Daisuke
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:03:00 -
[67]
Originally by: ovuer
"Titans were never meant to be cost-effective. It's a huge ****"
:D
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:07:00 -
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Not sure I'm ever so happy about it- sounds like they plan on turning World Of Darkness into a MMOG. Think of the stink kicked up by the mere mention that "EVE China" might take up some developers time. All we need is another project to keep them busy, just when EVE needs them most......... -----------------------------------------------
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La Tortura
Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:21:00 -
[69]
Edited by: La Tortura on 11/11/2006 18:24:46 I have quite quite pessimistic view on this. It means that eve, probably, not so profitable for CCP, and they are looking for ways to make it more appealing for broader market with the help of USA company. God knows what they would do with eve. -- ignorance is bliss |
Itaro Flagg
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:24:00 -
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I have only one word as a reaction to this information.
SQUUUEEEEEE!!!!
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Tyler Lowe
Minmatar DROW Org Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:27:00 -
[71]
It's a solid move IMO, even if only from the perspective of sharing liscense rights. WW gets access to a gritty sci-fi world to develop, one which is certainly in the sort of flavor I would expect from them, and CCP gets plenty of material to work off for a second MMO. I played Jyhad (Vampire; tES for the younguns), and Rage! (wonder how many even know what this one is) back when they were released, and both hit some rough patches. Why not get the expertise of a company that has already gone through that in your corner?
We as players don't like to think in terms of Eve ending, but it will at some point, and diversifying will help carry CCP so they can develop more amazing online experiences for us to enjoy. Would anyone *not* at least check out a World of Darkness MMO developed by CCP? I know I'd be in from the start, ready to avenge Gaia .
J.A.F.O.
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d'Mortaigne
PAIN.
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:28:00 -
[72]
This is so great! WTG CCP.
--------------- It's great being Amarr, aint it? |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:35:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 11/11/2006 18:39:02
May I point out that this isn't a true merger - it's a takeover.
I found this on the White Wolf website:
White Wolf will be operated as a wholly-owned subsidiary of CCP. Hilmar Petursson, Chief Executive Officer of CCP, will be CEO of the combined company.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
It's great being Amarr, ain't it? |
Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle
It isn't lacking in marketing? I live in Norway, and I've seen ZERO EVE-O ads. ZERO retailers selling the game. And so on. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who read sci-fi novels and manga. This might get them interested in the game. So yeah, the player base might increase.
So, this means: - you don't read any gaming mags - you never visit any gaming websites - you've never heard or seen anything about EVE's awards (http://www.eve-online.com/community/awards.asp)
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:47:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle
It isn't lacking in marketing? I live in Norway, and I've seen ZERO EVE-O ads. ZERO retailers selling the game. And so on. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who read sci-fi novels and manga. This might get them interested in the game. So yeah, the player base might increase.
So, this means: - you don't read any gaming mags - you never visit any gaming websites - you've never heard or seen anything about EVE's awards (http://www.eve-online.com/community/awards.asp)
I live in the US and didn't hear about EVE till last December and that was only because of the PC Gamer Article. _____________________________________
APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information! |
Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.11.11 18:55:00 -
[76]
Something tells me that they might be doing this so that White Wolf can make the ground-based, planetary parts of EVE to come in one of the kalis and CCP can continue to focus on the space part. I don't know though, only time can tell, this feels strange. I only hope that if they tank they don't take CCP with them. But I am sure Hillmar knows what he is doing.
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Malicious Wraith
The Dark Side of the Moon Edge of Sanity
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Posted - 2006.11.11 19:05:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle
Originally by: Pan Crastus and the EVE player base won't increase due to this, since EVE isn't lacking in marketing
It isn't lacking in marketing? I live in Norway, and I've seen ZERO EVE-O ads. ZERO retailers selling the game. And so on. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who read sci-fi novels and manga. This might get them interested in the game. So yeah, the player base might increase.
I live in East Coast US, Marketing city.
I learned of EvE Online from MMORPG.com when I was looking for an MMORPG.
EvE will do great with the extra marketting ^.- ----------------------------------------
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Annya Avishnaya
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.11 19:30:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Vendrin
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle
It isn't lacking in marketing? I live in Norway, and I've seen ZERO EVE-O ads. ZERO retailers selling the game. And so on. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who read sci-fi novels and manga. This might get them interested in the game. So yeah, the player base might increase.
So, this means: - you don't read any gaming mags - you never visit any gaming websites - you've never heard or seen anything about EVE's awards (http://www.eve-online.com/community/awards.asp)
I live in the US and didn't hear about EVE till last December and that was only because of the PC Gamer Article.
I live in Canada and I heard about it only through a friend from another game. If it hadn't been for him, I probably still wouldn't know about it.
I think people dont realize that a lot of casual gamers don't suscribe to gaming mags or delve through websites to find out about games. If CCP wants more users(fix teh lag first ) they should IMO toss out another game box to the retailers. I've not seen one at the retailers here for over a year. Especially with the massive popularity WoW has brought to the mmorpg genre(no snide comments about WOW kiddies please), I dont think it would be a bad move.
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Tanya Kovacs
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.11.11 19:33:00 -
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Teen rated remember that ;) - Xorus
All the best CCP! <3
And tbh: news of a wod-mmorpg makes me *snip* -- All my postings reflects just my personal opinion and my lacking knowledge of proper english.
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Feyd Darkholme
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.11 19:40:00 -
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I heard about EVE Online when it was still in beta, through various online sources that I'm sure many people other than me frequent. I was a p&p RPG player long before the advent of computers, MUDs, MMOGs and everything else we have today, and I know that I'm not unique. I'm that guy that tells all his friends about stuff they normally wouldn't hear about otherwise, but will be interested in. Despite EVE/CCP's humble beginnings it is doing quite well and has quite good exposure. ---------------
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.11 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: hydraSlav on 11/11/2006 19:48:39 Not happy
EVE is great cause CCP is devoted 100% to it and only it. Whatever they say, once they are bought over, it won't be true anymore. Maybe even on paper CPP will be all about EvE, but their employees will be pulled over to other projects. And the new partners will see a different vision for EVE, they will commercialize it, they will make it easier for players, remove non-consentual PVP, make it sharded, etc, etc, etc.... Not good, not good
Oh... and now watch the reps assure us that this won't happen and they will still be devoted 100%.... If they were remaining 100% devoted to EVE, there wouldn't be a need for this merge
=================================== Above comments are my personal views
Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.11 19:52:00 -
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All I can say about this is .
That came out of nowhere. Still, good deal, CCP. Though I never liked Vampire: The Masquerade, Werewolf, Mage, or the other World of Darkness tabletop RPGs, I've long had respect for White Wolf as a company. While the merger surprised me, I think it bodes well for the future - I just hope I'm around to see it, since my account's likely to be fully cancelled if the hitpoint changes stay in. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
R.I.P. AC tempest R.I.P. Torp raven R.I.P. Solo PvP R.I.P. My account, after the next cycle.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.11 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/11/2006 19:59:59
Wrayeth, first rule of Eve is to adapt to the changes. Death to AC Tempests in Kali? Personally i think the no cap requirement will only make it better than before. Not to mention the Typhoon. And solo pvp is far from dead, but I agree its nerfed.
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Ergo Morte
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:01:00 -
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I'm excited about this. To me this is really good news if it doesn't go awry. WW has one of the most desirable IPs for development into an MMO, on par with Mechwarrior IMO. I can't think of a better company than CCP to turn the World of Darkness IPs into a first rate MMO. Hopefully it will also be a single server world.
CCP has always put the quality of EVE first and have invested heavily in both hardware and personel in the last few months. I don't see tham taking on a new project lightly or being unprepared for what it will take to do it well. How many times has it been bought up on these forums about just what CCP could do with a WoW budget on a new IP. Interesting times ahead.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Verite Rendition on 11/11/2006 20:04:29 What the heck? Did I wake up in Bizarro world (again) or something?
CCP, what are you doing wasting resources buying up 2nd-rate fantasy publishers? EVE still has stability problems, dev/player interaction is at an all-time low, and you've fallen at least half a year behind schedule already on Kali expansions - all of this going on and you want to start wasting resources in another industry? Stop doing other things, slow down and focus on getting your core area right, you're neglecting it right now big-time and all the EVE novels in the world won't save you.
Let this be known as the day EVE jumped the shark, from now on they're Blizzard Mk. 2 and we're going to have to start saving up to buy pallets of cards for our HACs. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Valeo Galaem
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Valeo Galaem on 11/11/2006 20:06:35
Originally by: Gamer4liff Something tells me that they might be doing this so that White Wolf can make the ground-based, planetary parts of EVE to come in one of the kalis and CCP can continue to focus on the space part. I don't know though, only time can tell, this feels strange. I only hope that if they tank they don't take CCP with them. But I am sure Hillmar knows what he is doing.
Except White-Wolf doesn't have any programmers, just writers and (table top) game designers. Though their designs could easily enough be ported over to digital form, they won't be handling the software development. That's what CCP is for.
Originally by: hydraSlav Edited by: hydraSlav on 11/11/2006 19:48:39 Not happy
EVE is great cause CCP is devoted 100% to it and only it. Whatever they say, once they are bought over, it won't be true anymore. Maybe even on paper CPP will be all about EvE, but their employees will be pulled over to other projects. And the new partners will see a different vision for EVE, they will commercialize it, they will make it easier for players, remove non-consentual PVP, make it sharded, etc, etc, etc.... Not good, not good
Oh... and now watch the reps assure us that this won't happen and they will still be devoted 100%.... If they were remaining 100% devoted to EVE, there wouldn't be a need for this merge
CCP bought out White-Wolf in this merger, not the other way around. White-Wolf will be making space ships long before CCP starts making World of Darkness games. CCP really does still own everything, and I can't count the number of times the reiterated that EVE is and will be CCP's main project. Infact, they said that any future development in other possible games will be based on EVE's code sets. So, CCP has an interest in EVE both as a customer product and a development platform.
Thar be Pirates
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Cz Ire
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:08:00 -
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I think this is fantastic. Congradulations, CCP and WW, I expect great things! XD
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Wrayeth, first rule of Eve is to adapt to the changes. Death to AC Tempests in Kali? Personally i think the no cap requirement will only make it better than before. Not to mention the Typhoon.
It's not just the death of the AC tempest, it's also the fact that solo and very small gang PvP will be dead. That's where I derive most of my enjoyment of the game from; large gangs and fleets take too long to organize, you often don't even get any engagements, and move VERY slowly. In short, they're just not fun.
Solo and very small gang work is far more enjoyable. You're mobile, there's little waiting (which is important when you don't know how long you can be online for), and you have a much higher chance of getting an engagement in the first place.
Unfortunately, the hitpoint changes result in ridiculously increased fight durations. To begin with, a 10-minute 1-v-1 is not fun - it's boring, like watching paint dry. In real life, this wouldn't be an issue since waiting is part of life; however, in a game you're playing for fun, it's unacceptable. More important than that, though, is the fact that fights will now last so long that the target's buddies can show up to help even if they're several jumps away and in battleships. This will turn most 1-v-1's into 5-v-1's, with you on the losing end.
Simply put, these changes spell the end of my playstyle. I don't find large scale engagements fun at all, so that's not an alternative I could "adapt" to. Hence, I will have no reason to continue to play. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
R.I.P. AC tempest R.I.P. Torp raven R.I.P. Solo PvP R.I.P. My account, after the next cycle.
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Bonafyde
The Legion.
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:09:00 -
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It's really not a bad move for either company in my eyes. White Wolf's games have the "potential" to be decent MMOs for those who enjoy the genre, and I can understand why they want to try it. Who better to ask for developement help then a company that basically taught themselves everything, and doesnt answer to some larger corporate structure? (unlike sony, mythic, etc)
On CCP's side, the universe they created has a huge potential to provide science fiction stories, and with the right writers, could prove to be massively successful, white wolf offers them the way to make this begin to happen.
The move benefits both parties (obviously or they wouldnt do it) lets just hope it doenst negatively effect EvE ;)
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Feyd Darkholme
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition CCP, what are you doing wasting resources buying up 2nd-rate fantasy publishers?
I'm sure that you are just worried about if this will effect EVE Online in a negative way by taking away badly needed resources, as am I. However White Wolf is anything but "second-rate", and of all the P&P RPG publishers if CCP had to "merge" with anyone I would choose White Wolf over all others, with the possible exception of Chaosium (POD Pilot 1: WTF is that thing?! POD Pilot 2: Holy crap! it's an Elder God, RUN!!!). ;) ---------------
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Ranger 1
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Wrayeth, first rule of Eve is to adapt to the changes. Death to AC Tempests in Kali? Personally i think the no cap requirement will only make it better than before. Not to mention the Typhoon.
It's not just the death of the AC tempest, it's also the fact that solo and very small gang PvP will be dead. That's where I derive most of my enjoyment of the game from; large gangs and fleets take too long to organize, you often don't even get any engagements, and move VERY slowly. In short, they're just not fun.
Solo and very small gang work is far more enjoyable. You're mobile, there's little waiting (which is important when you don't know how long you can be online for), and you have a much higher chance of getting an engagement in the first place.
Unfortunately, the hitpoint changes result in ridiculously increased fight durations. To begin with, a 10-minute 1-v-1 is not fun - it's boring, like watching paint dry. In real life, this wouldn't be an issue since waiting is part of life; however, in a game you're playing for fun, it's unacceptable. More important than that, though, is the fact that fights will now last so long that the target's buddies can show up to help even if they're several jumps away and in battleships. This will turn most 1-v-1's into 5-v-1's, with you on the losing end.
Simply put, these changes spell the end of my playstyle. I don't find large scale engagements fun at all, so that's not an alternative I could "adapt" to. Hence, I will have no reason to continue to play.
Wray wray, don't derail the thread.
Keep in mind that hit point changes are still going to be tweaked, they even said as much during the broadcast... and for the very same reasons you mentioned. They are evaluating how the changes affect play on the test server and will make tweaks according to the data they are collecting... so don't sell your account yet.
Besides, I still owe you one from the other day.
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Beef Hardslab
AlphaHivE
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:35:00 -
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Awesome.
Gangrel FTW
/me barks at the moon
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1 Wray wray, don't derail the thread.
Sorry, I'm just bummed because it's starting to feel like SWG around here. You could protest the changes that ultimately screwed you as much as you wanted, but to no avail. Your playstle would still be destroyed in the end.
Quote: Keep in mind that hit point changes are still going to be tweaked, they even said as much during the broadcast... and for the very same reasons you mentioned.
Heh. I didn't even know there was a broadcast about this. Was it a live-only thing, or is it something we can download? I'd very much like to hear it.
Quote: They are evaluating how the changes affect play on the test server and will make tweaks according to the data they are collecting... so don't sell your account yet.
Well, that's hopeful at least. I'm just worried that the devs' marked preference for fleet combat will mean that they won't find enough wrong to bother revoking the hitpoint increase.
Ah, well. I hope I'm wrong on this, I really do.
Quote: Besides, I still owe you one from the other day.
True, that. I've tried to get my alliancemates to do another run into M-O when I'm online, but they keep saying, "No, we must fight the war targets, even when they won't undock". Hehe
Um...back on topic:
I really don't think the buyout of White Wolf will have any negative effect on EVE - I can't see anything that White Wolf brings to the table that would be a liability given their strength in the tabletop RPG market. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
R.I.P. AC tempest R.I.P. Torp raven R.I.P. Solo PvP R.I.P. My account, after the next cycle.
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Ysolde Xen
Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:45:00 -
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I've already ended up saying what I think in several places before the forums would load so I'm not about to blah blah any further. I'll just say that as CCP seem to be the controlling factor, I'm sure EVE Online will be in safe hands and that if anything, White Wolf will be given the kick up the rear it so desperately needs. Besides, it doesn't seem to be a total absorption. Unless CCP are packing up shop from Reykjavik (or White Wolf from Atlanta) and shifting continents then likely it'll just mean more conference calls and internet communications.
Personally, I think an EVE RPG would be cool if done right
/signed, an ex-long time WW fan
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ysolde Xen
Personally, I think an EVE RPG would be cool if done right
QFT -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
R.I.P. AC tempest R.I.P. Torp raven R.I.P. Solo PvP R.I.P. My account, after the next cycle.
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Sliver Jade
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Posted - 2006.11.11 21:24:00 -
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White Wolf is a horrible RPG company. I don't see this as a good thing at all.
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Dee Ellis
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Posted - 2006.11.11 21:37:00 -
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****! Malkavian stole my Raven!
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.11 21:45:00 -
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There better be a **** Werewolf game in the pipes!
I'm tired of whiny vampires.
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Pirate Tom
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:13:00 -
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Now if we could just get Wrayeth to hurry up and poof so we dont' have to listen to him crying about how Kali ruined all his fun.
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Aselus
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:14:00 -
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whatever happened to staying independant and not selling out? /me cries. CCP is dead to me.
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Beringe
Caldari Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:19:00 -
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Wow. Just wow.
Think of the possibilities...
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GM Faolchu
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:22:00 -
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Ive been working with the whitewofl guys for awhile and they are good epoele and i look forqard to seeing their ideas on our progress and waht we shoukd do. CCP ideas and EVE wont disapper because we merged this is simple fior eves benefit.
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Leverton
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:22:00 -
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The part that really stuck out in my mind is when the CCP CEO referred to their "core competencies," or something of that nature.
That tells me that they are making a sound business decision that will do good for both companies, and I think that this will create some very positive results. -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus |
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GM Sunshine
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: GM Faolchu Ive been working with the whitewofl guys for awhile and they are good epoele and i look forqard to seeing their ideas on our progress and waht we shoukd do. CCP ideas and EVE wont disapper because we merged this is simple fior eves benefit.
10Isk for the first one to figure out how much Faol has drunk at this time
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: GM Sunshine
Originally by: GM Faolchu Ive been working with the whitewofl guys for awhile and they are good epoele and i look forqard to seeing their ideas on our progress and waht we shoukd do. CCP ideas and EVE wont disapper because we merged this is simple fior eves benefit.
10Isk for the first one to figure out how much Faol has drunk at this time
TENTEY BREES!!!!1!1
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Zhelavar
Gallente CONsordium Infinate
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Zhelavar on 11/11/2006 22:29:14 If it hasn't been posted already, here is a video of highlights of the announcement and keynote address.
http://evevault.ign.com/fullstory.php?id=23180
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Powdder
DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle
Originally by: Pan Crastus and the EVE player base won't increase due to this, since EVE isn't lacking in marketing
It isn't lacking in marketing? I live in Norway, and I've seen ZERO EVE-O ads. ZERO retailers selling the game. And so on. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who read sci-fi novels and manga. This might get them interested in the game. So yeah, the player base might increase.
Live in the US. And no one I know ever heard of EVE before I tell them
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SoulBlythe
KVA Noble Inc. THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: SoulBlythe on 11/11/2006 22:35:21 I have spent many years independently writing/designing for P&P RPG companies, magazines, and websites. Of all of them, White Wolf have been the best to me professionally and as a fan. This merger is two companies coming under one house. Neither is stopping work on their individual IP and hopefully will be building a better gaming experience for us both. White Wolf has some great talent in there fiction writers, game designers, and overall staff. They are always the most receptive to there peers and fans at conventions and truely have a love for there fan-base, which reminds me of CCP. Maybe this will bring even more talent to our Chronicles, event staff, storyline writers, mission writers, and generally improve our PvE experience in the already rich PVP enviroment.
Before we all jump to conclusions, lets see where this road leads.
I for one would jump at the chance to work at a CCP Atlanta Office.... even if it was in my primary line of work as a chef.
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Madcat Adams
Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Aselus whatever happened to staying independant and not selling out? /me cries. CCP is dead to me.
They didn't sell out, they absorbed a well known company to compliment their franchise.
Personally this move is very intersting. Eve has always suffered lack of exposure to markets, word of mouth and occasional adds for people that spend too much time on the net like myself is about it. Expanding into the RPG/literature arena will introduce many younger players to the EVE universe. Likewise, many people don't play the online game that would play a RPG, hence more money for ccp to develop both.
I play with a vampire group every sat night, and of them only myself plays eve, the others tried and quit. We have kicked around creating an eve game though, because the hands on aspect apeals to them. Eve online is very distanced, you never touch anything, never even see your character unless it's on a bio file. Eve RPG would be the chance to get your hands dirty, interact with the crew, take a fighter out for a spin, engage in intrigue, or just have a bar brawl.
A world of darkness MMOG by CCP? Time for the kindred to take a bite out of Blizzards market share, a fatal bite at that.
It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Aimez- "oh ****, this is empire......."
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:42:00 -
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Ok, I'm a bit worried. EVE rocks, yes, but White Wolf is a legend and knows more about role-playing games than the CCP ever has to this point. If this starts to negatively influence the games WW published (Exalted, etc), I'll be seriously ****ed off -- because when all is said and done, those games wipe the floor with EVE on the rpg arena.
I really, really hope that this is just normal corporate bull****, and the people in charge will continue to focus on what the separate companies do best. Because let's face it... CPP doesn't know **** about rpg games, and WW doesn't know **** about online games.
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Leverton
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:44:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Powdder
Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle
Originally by: Pan Crastus and the EVE player base won't increase due to this, since EVE isn't lacking in marketing
It isn't lacking in marketing? I live in Norway, and I've seen ZERO EVE-O ads. ZERO retailers selling the game. And so on. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who read sci-fi novels and manga. This might get them interested in the game. So yeah, the player base might increase.
Live in the US. And no one I know ever heard of EVE before I tell them
That tells me that CCP can take advantage of WhiteWolf's distribution channels in the US. -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus |
Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:45:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 11/11/2006 22:45:46
Originally by: Verite Rendition CCP, what are you doing wasting resources buying up 2nd-rate fantasy publishers?
You have no idea of what you're talking about.
"White Wolf, what are you doing selling out to a small second-rate computer game company?!?"
I'm worried, a lot.
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Mr Ninjaface
Minmatar Shurekin INC
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:45:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
I really, really hope that this is just normal corporate bull****, and the people in charge will continue to focus on what the separate companies do best. Because let's face it... CPP doesn't know **** about rpg games, and WW doesn't know **** about online games.
CCP merged with white wolf because they want to bring more back story etc into eve. They didn't merge with white wolf so they could write their own RP stuff...eve pen and paper game sounds fun as well. MY thoughts on Kali |
Taran Blake
De Re Metallica
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:01:00 -
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Seriously, a World of Darkness MMORPG is something that very few EVE players would ever consider.
But the WoW crowd? That is a completely different matter. It is a threat to every other Fantasy MMORPG out there.
Think about the core systems: - Vampire: The Masquerade - Werewolf: The Apocalypse - Mage: The Ascension - Changeling: The Dreaming - Demon: The Fallen - Hunter: The Reckoning - Wraith: The Oblivion - Mummy: The Resurrection - Kindred of the East
You have the entire back story there just waiting to be made into an online world.
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StarRanger
Gallente Royal Star Ranger Family
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:03:00 -
[115]
A good step forwards, CCP, congrats!
Dont forget the basic of what EVE should be tho... Elite 2!!
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Jenson Cole
Red Dagger Fleet
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:09:00 -
[116]
I see this as a solid marketing move. White Wolf has already in place the infastructure for production and if I wanted a RPG put out by a group of solid people that know there stuff White Wolf would be the company I go to.
Either way I belive in the States White Wolf already has the distribution rights for the CCG for EVE. Them mergeing with White Wolf makes a logical step to keep prices down. Just on top of that you gain a nice little bonus on top of it with the advertiseing revenue you can save plugging EVE stuff throughout White Wolf's other materials.
For a company like White Wolf to survive you need to have marketing sense and much of the Pen and Paper RPG market collapsed in the late 90's and White Wolf and Wizards of the Coast are in my eyes the main two that survived (Though WOTC was bought out by Hasbro).
We in the US have griped that CCP didn't have a means to advertise in the US very well and now they do. They're bettering the servers as best as they can and in the process getting the resources together to make our experience in EVE that much of a deeper experience.
One side you have CCP who have a great artist team who can pull together designs that are awe inspireing along with basic ideas on what they want from this and then you have White Wolf who can take the basic ideas and principles and expand on it even further.
An example of this is for those that are into the in depth reading imagine White Wolf taking on each race in EVE and expanding on the basic history we know since the time of the EVE Gate Collapse.
Going into details of how the population degenerated before learning Spaace Flight again and also seriously expanding on the Jove Empire.
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Saerid
Amarr FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:12:00 -
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Sounds like a good fit, if nothing else both companies seem to be on roughly same page when it comes to style. White Wolf's should fit right in. Gritty, darkish tones.
As for CCP selling out, at a quick glance it seems they bought out White Wolf. The World of darkness is one of the more valuable RPG properties around, so not a bad plan if you're looking for some IP to produce a mmorpg out of. And judging by how EVE turned out CCP's a good company for doing it, seeing as how EVE is relatively harsh and uncompromising all things considered when they could've just gone Disney on us. Can preserve the dark and gritty feel better than most game companies.
Good for CCP. If it was good for White Wolf remains to be seen.
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Mr Ninjaface
Minmatar Shurekin INC
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Taran Blake Seriously, a World of Darkness MMORPG is something that very few EVE players would ever consider.
But the WoW crowd? That is a completely different matter. It is a threat to every other Fantasy MMORPG out there.
Think about the core systems: - Vampire: The Masquerade - Werewolf: The Apocalypse - Mage: The Ascension - Changeling: The Dreaming - Demon: The Fallen - Hunter: The Reckoning - Wraith: The Oblivion - Mummy: The Resurrection - Kindred of the East
You have the entire back story there just waiting to be made into an online world.
ya but taking a look at the white wolf forums seems like the world of darkness guys are worried its going to be wow with a world of darkness background
EX
Quote: , I'm thinking we'll see WoW with vampires.
Tutorialmode: Start as a human, complete quests, choose what supernatural splat you end up as. Then, as a vampire, get assignments for bonus xp.
Quest 1: Kill 10 ghouls. Quest 2: Kills 12 ghouls. Quest 3: Fetch a sacred relic for the Lancea Sanctum, by killing more ghouls. Quest 4: Kill 10 vampires. Quest 5: Craft a machine-gun. Quest 6: Kill a werewolf to gain werewolf blood needed for a ritual. Make sure to kill the werewolf every time it respawns, for extra goodies.
Sound about right?
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Saerid
Good for CCP. If it was good for White Wolf remains to be seen.
That's just the thing. Compared to the two, I'd much, much rather see CCP go bankrupt that see White Wolf go down. CCP is just another computer game company, White Wolf is... well, White Wolf. It's a legendary company.
I'm very, very worried about my favorite rpg company becoming just a shell company that churns out EVE support stuff, instead of cool stuff like Exalted 2nd edition books etc. White Wolf selling out like this is sad.
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Zarch AlDain
Friends of Everyone
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Vendrin
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle
It isn't lacking in marketing? I live in Norway, and I've seen ZERO EVE-O ads. ZERO retailers selling the game. And so on. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who read sci-fi novels and manga. This might get them interested in the game. So yeah, the player base might increase.
So, this means: - you don't read any gaming mags - you never visit any gaming websites - you've never heard or seen anything about EVE's awards (http://www.eve-online.com/community/awards.asp)
I live in the US and didn't hear about EVE till last December and that was only because of the PC Gamer Article.
I am in the UK and only heard about Eve through a friend.
Zarch AlDain
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Zissou
5 November
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:37:00 -
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Is CCP merging with White Wolf, or is White Wolf merging with CCP?
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Feyd Darkholme
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:39:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Zissou Is CCP merging with White Wolf, or is White Wolf merging with CCP?
It makes a difference.
Even though they are calling it a "merger", it looks to me by the way WW worded the announcement that CCP bought WW. Go read it and you'll see what I mean. ---------------
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Mr Ninjaface
Minmatar Shurekin INC
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:39:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Zissou Is CCP merging with White Wolf, or is White Wolf merging with CCP?
It makes a difference.
white wolf is legally a subsidiary of CCP MY thoughts on Kali |
d'Mortaigne
PAIN.
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:53:00 -
[124]
Yeah CCP bought up WW. Not the other way around.
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Ysolde Xen
Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:56:00 -
[125]
Uh guys - WW have categorically stated that they do not support the old WoD any more. A WoD MMO will be based on the new systems currently consisting of Vampire: the Requiem, Werewolf: the Forsaken, Mage: the Awakening and Promethean: Created (though the last one is a minor game so it's inclusion is debatable). They may also use the core WoD game and have mortals.
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Idara
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:56:00 -
[126]
Now the whiners that say
"Omg CCP why are you wasting developer time on a CCG, no one cares"
Will have to shut the **** up.
This should be exciting... ---
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d'Mortaigne
PAIN.
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:00:00 -
[127]
Yeah I think this is gonna be great. CCP can concentrate on the computergames and a well known, talented crew like WW can concentrate on the out-of-game stuff. This is imho a solid move by CCP.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:09:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle
It isn't lacking in marketing? I live in Norway, and I've seen ZERO EVE-O ads. ZERO retailers selling the game. And so on. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who read sci-fi novels and manga. This might get them interested in the game. So yeah, the player base might increase.
So, this means: - you don't read any gaming mags - you never visit any gaming websites - you've never heard or seen anything about EVE's awards (http://www.eve-online.com/community/awards.asp)
Nope Nope Not until I downloaded Eve. If it wasn't for a brief mention on the suckboards, I would never have known to try it out.
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:12:00 -
[129]
Orpheus ftw ---
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Lygos
ISS Navy Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:14:00 -
[130]
Weird.
What will the influx of goths and emo kids mean for the future of empire?
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Leverton
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:24:00 -
[131]
If the new MMO they make for WhiteWolf is completely unliked by the EVE community, it doesn't matter, because they are tapping into a new market. Hopefully they will expand and hire new people to build the new MMO, while keeping the current devs on EVE. -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus |
Foible
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:32:00 -
[132]
I would like to see what White-Wolf can add to the Eve universe. These guys have some awesome writers and artists. They have fully populated the World of Darkness 3 times now I think. Their city books and other source guides are full of really amazing content.
I hope we are gonna get some really amazing chronicles out of them. Hopefully, they will be able to contribute to the evolving EVE in game story as well. The CCP guys are building us some really cool systems with the factional warfare stuff. If the White-Wolf merger provides more writers and content creators for the ongoing EVE storyline, I think it will be amazing.
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Zissou
5 November
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:41:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Zissou on 12/11/2006 00:42:34
Originally by: Jin Entres
Off topic... ...but I really need your sig .
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Sidrat Mort
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:48:00 -
[134]
Although I had no idea who White Wolf was, or what it did, I can't say this is a bad idea, as it'll increase awareness of Eve Online to those people that MIGHT try it if they were aware of it.
This is to say that CCP's advertising and promotion of Eve is lamentable. In the UK there is zero Game Time cards available and nothing at all in stores. People working in gamer stores are more likely to recommend WoW, than Eve, even if you say you're into sci fi. Actually they're more likely to suggest Matrix online, than Eve-online, simply because they don't know enough. And that can be laid at the feet of CCP for not getting their advertising machine out there.
I'm also not sure what happens to email sent to [email protected] because I haven't received a reply from either emails I sent yet. Should I hold my breathe I wonder?
If this merger gets more promotional activities in the UK amongst potential players and retail bases that will supply Eve related products and game time cards/codes I'm all for it, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Za Po
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:55:00 -
[135]
Stunning news! Has the development of a World of Darkness MMORPG been confirmed? So far, all I have is the press release, which talks about an "online game"... for what I know, it could be a 16-players FPS. Originally by: Taran Blake Seriously, a World of Darkness MMORPG is something that very few EVE players would ever consider.
Exactly! That's why it's a smart move. What's the point of making a second game that appeals to the fan base of your first game? They'd be competing with themselves. The wise move is to make a second game that appeals to a whole different crowd, and "The World of Darkness Online" is perfect. Originally by: Sliver Jade White Wolf is a horrible RPG company. I don't see this as a good thing at all.
Wow. If WW is a bad RPG company, I'd really like you to name a single good RPG company.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:56:00 -
[136]
This bothers me simply because I have no interest in EVE merchandise, I have an interest in EVE Online, and that is all.
Then again, provided Kali turns out to be a net awesome, I am unworried.
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Driven
Caldari Mass Produced Venturi Starea
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Posted - 2006.11.12 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: Driven on 12/11/2006 01:52:40 Don't drink the corporate koolaid just yet.
We have NO idea about the real capital structure of this deal. Given the guesstimated relative revenue sizes of these two companies, my suspicion is this is much more of an acquisition than it is a "merger".
Hilmar is to be the CEO of the combined entity which is a good sign.
However, be wary.
I have been involved in 7 corporate acquisitions on one side or the other. In every case, things change noticeably and usually within months. They either get much better or much worse.
One thing is for sure: If the CCP management team does not keep their eye on the ball, it will get worse, and fast. I've seen it first hand in a company their size and it isn't pretty, especially with a small company operating outside their area of expertise.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.12 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Driven Edited by: Driven on 12/11/2006 01:52:40 Don't drink the corporate koolaid just yet.
We have NO idea about the real capital structure of this deal. Given the guesstimated relative revenue sizes of these two companies, my suspicion is this is much more of an acquisition than it is a "merger".
Hilmar is to be the CEO of the combined entity which is a good sign.
However, be wary.
I have been involved in 7 corporate acquisitions on one side or the other. In every case, things change noticeably and usually within months. They either get much better or much worse.
One thing is for sure: If the CCP management team does not keep their eye on the ball, it will get worse, and fast. I've seen it first hand in a company their size and it isn't pretty, especially with a small company operating outside their area of expertise.
See this is why I love EVE. We have people here who can make that claim and I don't feel like saying "14 year olds don't do corporate mergers" as a response.
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Driven
Caldari Mass Produced Venturi Starea
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Posted - 2006.11.12 02:01:00 -
[139]
Yeah I gt my MBA when I was 8 and got into investment banking soon after.
I did the big Tinker Toys merger with Leggo.
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Caile Sathinor
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:14:00 -
[140]
The WoD Online game won't be based on the old WoD. Meaning it'll be based on Requiem and thus be utter, complete trash. F'that. If it was the OWoD, I'd be all over it in a second, but it won't be. I'm just glad to see the crap company WW has become actually get bought out by an amazingly good one that might be able to bring something good from it.
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Siege
Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:22:00 -
[141]
As another player of various White Wolf games, I can only see good coming of this for both companies.
White Wolf's intellectual property will finally get the proper support it needs to thrive in the computer gaming world. CCP will really be able to get things to shine in the computer world.
CCP will now get some serious support of the Eve universe hopefully. The fiction CCP has already is quite good, but very fractured and hard to piece together fully into a cohesive story of the different races. Hopefully White Wolf will really get the story of Eve into that next level and really bind it all together and give it the life it has been missing somewhat.
That, and having an experienced in-house publishing group can possibly mean some great novels and stuff in the future as well.
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Wolfways
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: Wolfways on 12/11/2006 03:22:46 I'll just post what i said on the WW forums.
I'm an EVE player and long time fan of the old WoD (Might try the new WoD someday but can't afford it just now)
Anyway, i remember how horrified i was the day it was announced that the old WoD was ending and i remember it even more clearly now as i felt that again today seeing the anouncment of the merger of WW and CCP. I've always had a lot of respect for WW for making great games that concentrate on the emotional side of roleplaying more than the hack n' slash, but i think if an MMO is made based on the WoD all that will be tossed aside. As much as i like EVE i have to say that the game is rampant with the "I WTFBBQPWNED u nOOb!!1one" crowd.
I was hesitant to play Star Wars Galaxies at first because i knew the players would ruin the atmosphere, but eventually i gave in and played. It was worse than i thought (SOE's driving the game into the ground aside). While i dearly would love to play a garou (or whatever they're called now) online, unless the game was rp enforced (i.e. no weird names, no OOC, etc) then the game would just be players running around killing each other, and that in my opinion is just not worthy of a WW game.
While companies release single-player game by the boatload, releasing an MMO is like standing infront of the gaming community and saying "Look at us. This is what we can do." If the game sucks then it can seriously damage the company's reputation (look at SWG/SOE)
If CCP are to release a good WoD MMO i'd say they have a huge project and many many years of work ahead of them.
Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish |
Freada
Gallente Mackinaw Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:34:00 -
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I don't see a downside here. CCP had extra cash so they bought a company that can handle the new card game and all of the spin off materials like comics, novels, collectables and short story publishing that is starting to be generated by Eve.
What I want to know is now that the company has a presence in the US does this mean that I can order Eve swag from WW without paying the ungodly postage.
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Khralen
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:55:00 -
[144]
Shameless plug. Buy my game from White Wolf.
Vampire: Dark Influences
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Andicuri Vas
Gallente Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:19:00 -
[145]
We now have 5 pages of speculation about this deal and not one post from a dev.
I learned about it from an e-mail from a third party MMO site, over 7 hours ago.
Is someone from CCP going to tell us wtf is going on?
I realize that the game has gotten bigger. Too big for Devs to address every single lag b*tch and griefer whine but ffs, your biggest fans are here wondering what is happening to the game that they love and have supported for years.
There was a time when the players felt a part of the team.
A hint plz?
A V
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Sanly Bowitz
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:35:00 -
[146]
I'm very excited about this deal. White Wolf has some connections to very talented writers that could fit the EVE universe very well. Greg Stolze, Carl Bowen, and Richard Dansky immediately spring to mind, with the latter already having experience in game content writing for Red Storm/Ubisoft.
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Soratah
Amarr Yazata Spenta Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:53:00 -
[147]
There's also litigation to consider. On watching TV and CCP's CEO having a moan about American corporate law. It's perfectly possibly this merger has been mutually arranged so CCP can work on the WoD code and WW can work on EVE IP.
I've trucked with WW for years now, although personally I believe the P&P RPG should of been handled by Steve Jackson and the GURPS system, CCP confirmed it themselves with the shear amount of information and potential avenues of profit for them.
CCP's artists have already created a wealth of content that WW will help package up and distribute to the masses, more exposure for EVE as well as more profit for CCP.
As for the WoD crowd: well, they're wary as well. Most have never heard of CCP games or EVE before so are probably treating the merger as a worrying thing too.
My hope here is that WW either use the ST system or generate something new for the EVE RPG. To balk out and make it d20 would just doom the project, not to mention me bringing a sawn-off shotgun to next fanfest. (yee haa gonna collect me som heads!!)
WW will be dallying with the Living elements of EVE all the stuff that's not in code because of the game mechanics. Going to a bar, exploring technology, landing on planets, etc. However, there could be things fleshed out by WW that will have positive impact on EVE itself. Afterall, CCP HAVE stated they want full Avatar representation for EVE characters. Working on the WoD online will allow them to code for this too. Not to mention some possible changes like adding crews and other "fluff" material that merely expand and give the Eve universe more depth.
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Julian Kirov
Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:58:00 -
[148]
Having heard of WW before eve, though never really exploring there products very much (not too big of a fan of vampires here), they sure seem to be a company that if alternatives where given, CCP sure chose the right rpg developers to merge (buy out) with.
I just hope that like others have mentioned, each keeps to their own respective expertise and simply complements in the production of the two products. Bringing in so much new art and writing talent for the EVE universe would be utterly amazing. the art as it stands now is one of my favoritve aspects, and for the chance of it to expand would rock my socks at least
all should be good just as long as ccp doesn't end up diverting too many resources to a vampire MMO, or other non game related ventures *crosses fingers*
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Soratah
Amarr Yazata Spenta Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.12 05:23:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Soratah on 12/11/2006 05:24:40
Originally by: Julian Kirov Having heard of WW before eve, though never really exploring there products very much (not too big of a fan of vampires here), they sure seem to be a company that if alternatives where given, CCP sure chose the right rpg developers to merge (buy out) with.
I just hope that like others have mentioned, each keeps to their own respective expertise and simply complements in the production of the two products. Bringing in so much new art and writing talent for the EVE universe would be utterly amazing. the art as it stands now is one of my favoritve aspects, and for the chance of it to expand would rock my socks at least
all should be good just as long as ccp doesn't end up diverting too many resources to a vampire MMO, or other non game related ventures *crosses fingers*
As stated, this is years away yet... and to be frank what the heck would a designer/coder who codes physics of lasers and designs pictures of 2km starships know about Leather capes, top hats, Dominate, Celerity, Potence, and other snazzy cool WW stuff?
(Is a Mage player in case you're curious)
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Julian Kirov
Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.12 05:39:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Soratah
As stated, this is years away yet... and to be frank what the heck would a designer/coder who codes physics of lasers and designs pictures of 2km starships know about Leather capes, top hats, Dominate, Celerity, Potence, and other snazzy cool WW stuff?
(Is a Mage player in case you're curious)
Sure it's years away, yes, but what, as Oveur kept on saying during the presentation, EVE is planned up to at least 10 years from now, 25 at best, right?
And when it comes to coding starships versus vampires, i'm sure the designers of the other WW computer RPG's didn't know that much after there last project, and besides, it's more that likely any technical knowledge that is needed, not so much the background. As important as that is for a deep understanding of the game, that can be learned pretty quick I'm sure.
When it comes to the art, absolutely there are major differences in the theme, but the general dark and brooding atmosphere is what i was alluding to. Both sides have great atmosphere in their artwork, and to see the addition of the WW art team in some of the work on eve would be quite awesome.
Yes I may be simplifying things tremendously, and many apoligizes for that, but when it comes to a dark, brooding, depressing atmosphere, the artisits seem to have that down quite well, and to jump from vampires to spaceships doesn't seem to be that immense of a leap for those with that much talent.
for people that skilled, to be able to work in mutliple genre's is a given i'm sure
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.12 08:03:00 -
[151]
I think my favorite part of the keynote speech other than the blockbuster announcement was of Hillmar's statement which puts to rest (in my mind) the fact that EVE is not a game. It is, rather, a VR world with depth, meaning, and persistence.
Coupling that with the WW aquisition/merger, those who are into the WOD setting are going to be in for an amazing treat.
While I personally will be with EVE until it shuts the doors or decides to do some hairbrained thing like making it "vista/ms only" (not worried about that.), those who want another genre' with OUR sandbox are in for a wild ride.
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Frug
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.12 08:51:00 -
[152]
eve online....
and white wolf... Have merged....
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Sebroth
Coordination Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.11.12 08:57:00 -
[153]
think its a good move since ccp cant live on eve forever.... only time can tell -----
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Redwolf
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.12 09:06:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Redwolf on 12/11/2006 09:06:24 No suprise they chose to merge with the company that published 'Pimp - The Backhanding'.
Mucho Viking involved in the process?
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2006.11.12 09:16:00 -
[155]
Your 1400 howitzer strikes space orc wreaking for massive damage!
DA-Daaaaaaaa!
You have gained a new level, please dock in a station to level up
N=R* x fp x ne x fl x Fi x fc x L |
Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:18:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Death Kill Your 1400 howitzer strikes space orc wreaking for massive damage!
DA-Daaaaaaaa!
You have gained a new level, please dock in a station to level up
Umm... yeah...
You're with the wrong gaming company. Neither White Wolf nor CCP Games deal with character levels. Both deal with skill levels. White Wolf skill system is very similar to CCP's, although you gain experience points per gaming session instead of over time. Criteria for getting these points are that you: participate, act well, do something heroic/devilish, contribute extraordinarily to the story, etc. Each skill level cost a number of experience points according to what level you currently have, although CCP Games do 5.66x cost of previous, White Wolf tend to do 2x +1 cost. - EVE is sick. |
Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:40:00 -
[157]
I see you are unfamiliar with the ways of sarcasm.
N=R* x fp x ne x fl x Fi x fc x L |
Tachy
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:44:00 -
[158]
WW was that >< close from being a goner. Okay, maybe like > <. But they had quite some problems lately due to mostly busted projects.
ccp desparately needs people professionally and passionately doing high quality storyline work on EVE and people who know how to design an UI. Maybe they grabbed some remains of Troika with the deal as icing on the cake?
The merge *cough* looks like a pretty logical move to me.
Maybe someone finds a way to stop ccp from pushing EVE into the console style game. --*=*=*--
The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait | 2006.09.20 |
Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:47:00 -
[159]
Vampires in Spaceships !
reminds me of calvin and hobbes : T-Rexes in F-16 :p
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Arayou
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:52:00 -
[160]
This is really interesting, and opens up a lot of new possibilities.
What I am wondering about the most is acctually wether or not this means that we will see a WOD MMORG being developed. Now that would be an incredibly interesting project, and let's face it, every major franchise is breaking into MMORPGs. DnD, Warhammer, Startrek, Lord of the Rings - names like that sell, and from what I know the bloodsuckers aren't on board yet. (Let's just hope werewolves aren't as f***ing overpowered as in the PnP)
As far as other games set in New Eden being developed, I really dislike the way roleplaying games are marketed, by splitting up all the important info into many many books so that at one point in time or another the complete game will cost you roughly $1000 that kind of sneak out of your pocket one innocent little extra book at a time...
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Quineverre
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:04:00 -
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Good news. Earlier this week i saw some forum parts in wich they suggested that EA was about to overtake CCP. EA is quite ok but all their games have a similair feel to it. And however much I love my sims I surely would not want to see Eve have that simmy feeling to it since it would ruin the game. If there was any real danger behind the suggestions posted earlier this week surely this merge and the resulting bigger company could easier protect itself against a takeover from the big (to big) companies.
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Gerome Doutrande
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:06:00 -
[162]
I hope CCP make "Human Occupied Landfill Online" (and WW buy back the publishing rights).
/me starts training "Make someone stop living with your fist" skill
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Jake Devlin
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:58:00 -
[163]
Ok, to people worried about ww.... they rock, produce the best rpg's I've played. too the ww fan who said that requiem is trash... i've played both and requiem is much much better. better system, better backstory and no metaplot. personally I hope they make it a warewolf game as I can see that working much better anyway. It all looks good to me, although I share the concerns that eve will be badly effected (and vice versa, I love ww too)
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.12 12:01:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Death Kill I see you are unfamiliar with the ways of sarcasm.
For sarcasm to strike true, it needs to be loaded with truth and it need to be aimed.
That Dungeons and Dragons is dominant in the genre of fantasy role playing does not mean that every fantasy role playing game has levels based on shooting nor do they all contain orcs/orks.
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Solarienne
Caldari Steel Frontier Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.12 12:07:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Jake Devlin too the ww fan who said that requiem is trash... i've played both and requiem is much much better. better system, better backstory and no metaplot.
QFT
This is good news for me, as EVE will finally get alot more backing merchandise by the looks of it, I am especially interested in the mention of a paper based EVE rpg (though it better not be about Pod-Pilots... who the hell do you roleplay that offline?).
But yeah the old WoD was a very over-played, bordering on ######### roleplaying system, the new WoD is just amazing, and if they can take even 10% of the depth of those games, and apply it to the already rich world of EVE, I think we are in for some quality storylines/events....
You never know, maybe WW will bring the Amar a new Emperor atlast!
Solarienne
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Lady Abaris
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Posted - 2006.11.12 13:44:00 -
[166]
I always think "oh no not another know it all" when I see computer programers comment on lag and serve issues due to industry insight. But heck after 10 years in the RPG, CCG and board games retail industry I can finally get my own back.
So here's an insight into what my shop has seen retail wise is the South West UK in the last few years and how the merger might affect what we do. It should also be noted that trends in gaming vary massively by location so not all my experience will match what you see in your area's.
RPG's in general have been in decline for the last couple of years. This is largely due to fewer players coming into the hobby and established players stopping mostly due to swell of people playing MMORPG's. Many existing RPG players are finding less time to roleplay due to marriage and families etc.
WWP had in the old Vampire system a very popular game and it competed well with AD&D as was. The vampire players were a very loyal group and supported WWP with consistent high sales. However the new WOD system has not taken off and we get sales of 15% approx of what we used to.
The reasons we think are varied. Alot of the original Vampire players quitting due to resentment of new system and not wanting to have to start from scratch again. Many groups still play the old system as they have a stack of old material they havent played yet, such was WWP's output.
On the plus side WWP's new edition of Exaulted has done remarkably well and has considerably improved the system.
The vampire CCG never did well here as the target market stuck with the RPG.
It should be noted that the CCG market (much like the MMORPG market) has been a hard one to ***** for most companys. M:TG remains the market leader for us with sales in a constantly younger market (14 - 24 yo's), with Yu-gi-oh and Pokemon attracting the the younger fans (5 - 14 yo's). Sadley those are the only 3 CCG that we can consistantly stock on the back of solid sales.
The new WOW CCG sold out with in 5 days and poor production means no new supply until December. Sales are I believe artificaly high as many WOW players are collecting them only for cosmentic buff loot cards rather than to play.
The EVE CCG looks great (we kindly got sent some promo's) but those EVE players I know who shop here all rather play eve than play the card game (understandably?). I sadley am still waiting for a none EVE player to ask about it. Fortunately having spoken to my distributors recently they had sold out of certain elements of the EVE CCG (so its doing ok generally I think) and had particularly nice things to say about the CCP staff they have dealt with.
A World of Darkness/Vampire MMORPG would certainly have a fan base and the EVE sandbox model does lend itself nicely to the idea. Alliances, Clans and tribes are not all that dissimilar in terms of structure and territorry and it does lend itself very wel to the EVE Pvp model. The question would be which game world to implement - old or new?
The possibilty of an EVE miniatures game sounds promising although I suspect alot will collect rather than play (model eve ships on the desk at work would be fun). But having seen the new ships for Star Wars miniatures game an EVE game would have very fierce competion.
So in conclusion I think CCP should have a great deal of caution when considering entering the already shrinking RPG market. They should certainly consider giving the collectable (quality) side of any miniatures game a much higher priority than is often done by the industry. We will have to wait and see where the CCG is in a years time. A possible Vampire MMORPG seems to be the most promising idea as it could capture those players already quitting the RPG version.
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Originally by: Andicuri Vas We now have 5 pages of speculation about this deal and not one post from a dev.
I learned about it from an e-mail from a third party MMO site, over 7 hours ago.
Is someone from CCP going to tell us wtf is going on?
I realize that the game has gotten bigger. Too big for Devs to address every single lag b*tch and griefer whine but ffs, your biggest fans are here wondering what is happening to the game that they love and have supported for years.
There was a time when the players felt a part of the team.
A hint plz?
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Draquin
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Well, just so long as the Vampires dont start complaining about being poded by Gatecampers, and we can keep the Goths in space to a minimum. . . ------------------------------------------------------------ Irealyneedtoburnoffthat12packofredbullIjustdrankinonesetting
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