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Pattern Clarc
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 16/11/2006 18:22:08
lets look at the facts...
Megathron 100m isk > Hyperion > 176m isk
bonuses
Megathron 5% tracking pl > Hyperion 7.5 rep boost per amount
fittings
same number of slots, the hyperion has slightly more grid and cpu...
attributes
with the previous promises of a fast, agile blaster boat, the hyperion can do nothing but dissapoint.
It has the same mass as the thron, but with 15% more hit points but a wopping 21% increased sig!
It's targeting systems are fubur with this artifical targeting range and higher scan res.
It also has a lower average recharge rate (with peak recharge probably the same)
It's drone bay is also now the size of a ravens.
Without the tracking bonus, the 50% boost to fight durations and with the nerf of null and void ammo, this ship is actually a total waste of time.
On the plus side, it looks like it'll be an awesome shield tanker... I think it's passive recharge rate is way better than he rokh...
lol
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this is a very broken ship.
my suggestion, start from scratch,
a ship which is worth the price of a domi and a megathron combined should actually be worth more than scrap metal
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katz3
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:35:00 -
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yea, hyperion kinda sucks compared to a mega : /
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Pattern Clarc
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:04:00 -
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 Originally by: katz3
yea, hyperion kinda sucks compared to a mega : /
I was totally oblivious to the extent of the suckage, until now...
It's just a broken concept for a world which has changed.
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Royaldo
KVA Noble Inc.
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:26:00 -
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tracking bonus on mega is 7.5% right? and raven has 75m¦ drone bay right?
anyway, i just dont see the point of using that ship at all. wooooopeeeedooo a whole 5ms faster, dang!!!! JUST ROCKS!!!!! YEAHH!!
oh and the new cap on ships. i dont get it. bigger cap, but recharge is upped...
bonus on the tier 3 amarr and minnie bs is off. but this WHOLE ship is off.
/me sits down and waits for some fanboy comments.
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Aypse
Sanguine Legion
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:41:00 -
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Last I knew the Hype's pg was 15250 and 590cpu. When did this increase to 15750/600?
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Hoshi
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:34:00 -
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You marked Scan Resolution in red on the hyperion, it should be green as higher scan resolution means you lock the target faster. So the hyperion is better than the mega in that stat not worse.
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:48:00 -
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You do know posting images in a forum topic is a sin right? On another note, yeah they hyperion kinda feels like the ship that got lost. On one hand it has the potential to be an insane armor tank, but its lacking the slots, it could be a great blaster boat but its lacking the speed, and it could be a better fleet ship except its lacking the fitting.
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Segmentor
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:57:00 -
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No real point of flying it atm.
Fast and agile blaster ship with better defensive capabillities but smaller dronebay?
The last two things are true, the first two are utter bull$h1t.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:15:00 -
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been saying this all along...
The Hype needs more DPS and more agility if it's going to be a better blaster ship than the Mega. Look at the Vindi. It does everything right: more acceleration, more cap, more DPS, more flexibility.
Because I said so...
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:49:00 -
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It desperatly needs:
< cap rechare time
< shield
> armour
> sensor str
> speed
< target range
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
It desperatly needs:
< cap rechare time
< shield
> armour
> sensor str
> speed
< target range
ayup. more grid for bigger guns maybe?
Because I said so...
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente
The Underground
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:58:00 -
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the hyper is better at head on gank 8 turrets, so mega is just under that but it can use a one more heavy. mega might be a little worse at gank there. A mega will still be a fleet snipe ship from 37.5% tracking boost at BS5. Hyper will out tank a mega typically from 37.5% more armor recovery. Another mid means another EW unit or passive shield tank.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:52:00 -
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seems kinda odd. But i guess thats what u get one less EW drone and one more EW slot ( in the mid) so thats kinda netural
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Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
It desperatly needs:
< cap rechare time
< shield
> armour
> sensor str
> speed
< target range
ayup. more grid for bigger guns maybe?
Most definately, since you need RCU's to fit ions on it. T1 Ions, w/ AWU 4...if you do something foolish like fit a large rep and a MWD to it.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:57:00 -
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maybe we need a new subclass of MWD (something that uses less cap but perhaps gives instead of a 1000% speed booost a 400-500% speed boost) could be used for getting to sniper targets quickly but not affect sig radius and cap drain as much
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:08:00 -
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Considering its 75m more than the Mega, its a joke.
The mega is a better blasterboat because of the combination of its tracking bonus and the infamous (and ridiculous) Null tracking nerf. Depsite the armor rep bonus, the mega can fit a HP-boosted plate in its 7th low, and tank better.
The Mega and Hype are about as good as each other at sniping.
Wow. So we have a ship which is WORSE than the mega for blasting, and equal at sniping. I think I'll keep the extra 75m, thanks.
hint: boost the grid so we can use nice blasters and the repping bonus (its an Electron-only bonus), increase the speed, reduce the mass further... and THEN we might consider using one over a mega
Until then, you tell me - whats the ****ing point?
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
maybe we need a new subclass of MWD (something that uses less cap but perhaps gives instead of a 1000% speed booost a 400-500% speed boost) could be used for getting to sniper targets quickly but not affect sig radius and cap drain as much
WTB: MWD with 1000% speed boost
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 16/11/2006 23:14:37
oh, and one more thing
scrap the useless Hype, and give me a BS-sized celestis with 7 or 8 mids and some nice damping bonuses
oh yes :)
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:31:00 -
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Wtf? It is a tier3 battleship, it is bigger then tier1 and tier2. Why dont you compare its agility, speed and mass with the other tier3 battleships? Makes up for a better comparison to be honest.
And I personally believe that the tier3 gallente battleship should be a enormous celestis, simply because the megathron is already the gallente blasterboat, just as the raven is the caldari missile ship.
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Pattern Clarc
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Imperil
Wtf? It is a tier3 battleship, it is bigger then tier1 and tier2. Why dont you compare its agility, speed and mass with the other tier3 battleships? Makes up for a better comparison to be honest.
And I personally believe that the tier3 gallente battleship should be a enormous celestis, simply because the megathron is already the gallente blasterboat, just as the raven is the caldari missile ship.
after looking at the evidence, i'm starting to agree
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Waragha
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Imperil
Wtf? It is a tier3 battleship, it is bigger then tier1 and tier2. Why dont you compare its agility, speed and mass with the other tier3 battleships? Makes up for a better comparison to be honest.
And I personally believe that the tier3 gallente battleship should be a enormous celestis, simply because the megathron is already the gallente blasterboat, just as the raven is the caldari missile ship.
Everyone wants something from it but nobody knows what it is atm 
Originally by: Trepkos
The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2006.11.17 01:23:00 -
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Looks a bit like CCP is too scared to actually give it a role and stats accordingly worthy of it's 75X increased pricetag over the Mega, afraid of it becoming a 'win'-button.
HYPErion indeed...
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Pattern Clarc
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.11.17 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz
Looks a bit like CCP is too scared to actually give it a role and stats accordingly worthy of it's 75X increased pricetag over the Mega, afraid of it becoming a 'win'-button.
HYPErion indeed...
Theres the no brainer damp boat, which I was kinda skeptical about at first (purely because it didn't fit my play style)
then I was told it would be an oversided rax with a speed and aglity bonus (yes, i'm one of the dying breed of deimos pilots),
The concept from then on got mixed and mangled, resulting with the hash pipe of BS (BS as in bull****) that is the hyperion.
The last straw was the realisation that you could buy a hyperion for the price of a domi and a mega... I would actually rather buy a domi and a mega.
It's the fact that the tier 3's are being balanced with the tier 2's and tier 1's which is causing most of the problems with there design.
They should be given tanking bonuses, fine...
But shouldn't they actually be designed with a specific pure concept first?
It doesn't seem like the CCP have got the thinking cap on straight (well, thats unless you've seen the rokh)
Which is a shame, because they did briliantly with the interdictors and the command ships.
just as a reminder to making new ships...
1. Come up with a pure concept...
2. Give it what it needs, slot wise, grid etc to do it
3. ....
4. Profit
you've done it before, you can do it again... if you try!!
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.17 02:47:00 -
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Honestly, I can't think of a single reason to fly this ship. It works as a blaster boat........almost exactly aswell as a Mega does. It tanks.........not really much better than a Mega does, all told. Its range is worse than a Megathron. Its speed is pretty much the same as the Megathron. Its mass is the same as the Megathron.
It costs nearly twice a Megathron.
I'm confused ass to why the Hype was ever conceived as a Blaster ship in the first place, seeing as how the Megathron is already perfect at it- it means either it'll be barely any better at it than its cheaper equivalent, or would be massivle unbalanced if it were better. And then it isn't EVEN a good Blaster ship!
To do list:
1) Find a job for the Hype. If its dead set on being a Blaster ship, make it a good blaster ship. Plenty of other ideas already otu there.
2) Fix its stats to match.
3) Lower the price- its never going to be as good as the other Tier3s, if its on this path (as mentioned, balancing reasons*), so why is it the seecond most expensive BS in the game?
* Balancing issue is this- the Megathron is already a well balanced Blaster Boat. In fact, some would even claim the Mega is a perfect Blaster Boat- to the degree as to being slightly overpowered. If the Hype is also a balnced Blaster Boat, it'll be quite close to a Megathron, in terms of effectiveness- so being wildly more expensive can't work. If it was good enough over the Blaster Mega to be worth an extra 75mill, it'd be simply too good.
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.17 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
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I have never truely flown a Megathron serriously into combat, I didn't like it and ended up abandoning it since I could not justify training for Tech II guns which were a requirement at the time I tested it.
I'd like to raise some points though.
- Range is worse to prevent it from becoming the "uber sniper," but this will happen anyway (nice agility + decent damage = win for hit and run)
- Speed is a factor of mass and agility, the Hyperion has significantly more agility (similar to the Vindicator) so it will both be faster and more agile, which is quite important in a blaster-boat.
- Megathrons can fit Ions with less PW, the Hyperion should have no real issue with it.
However what I will agree on that the tracking is bad (coupled with the null nerf, and the difficultly of getting into a good firing position, this is almost required for a ship to work). As for price, it doesn't really seem that significant to me.
The hyperion will be able to get into range faster, do more damage, and take more punishment in the blaster-boat role, and the huge capacitor allows it to run for quite some time.
I suspect that blaster-boat pilots will now be choosing between the two.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.17 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
- Speed is a factor of mass and agility, the Hyperion has significantly more agility (similar to the Vindicator) so it will both be faster and more agile, which is quite important in a blaster-boat.
This is not true.
Mass is only a factor for AB/MWD speeds, which are dependant on base speed, mass, base ab/mwd boost %, and thrust.
Agility only affects turning speed and acceleration.
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Hydrian Alante
The Loot Company
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Posted - 2006.11.17 04:36:00 -
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If this ship stays at it is, I will stick with my Mega and buy a Vindicator when finished large Tech II Blasters.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.17 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hydrian Alante
If this ship stays at it is, I will stick with my Mega and buy a Vindicator when finished large Tech II Blasters.
Hate to break it to ya, but the days of the fearsom blasterthron are over. I'd start training recons or something if I were you. T2 large blasters will be a waste of time. I have em. They arn't nearly as effective as they are now. To the point that I'm having to just disregard their use and focus on nos/torps/shield tanking to compete. T2 large autocannons will be nice on the Abaddon however.
Because I said so...
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violator2k5
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.17 05:18:00 -
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to put it nicely they need a slap for being lazy with the model design of the hyperion. 4 mega models in game already, was no need for a 5th
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Pattern Clarc
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.11.17 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 17/11/2006 05:22:05
Originally by: Aeaus
- Speed is a factor of mass and agility, the Hyperion has significantly more agility (similar to the Vindicator)
it's exactly the same as the mega - see under mass
Originally by: Aeaus
- Megathrons can fit Ions with less PW, the Hyperion should have no real issue with it.
The grid is almost the same, considering the hyp needs to fit an extra gun, it's quite a dissapointment.
Originally by: Aeaus
However what I will agree on that the tracking is bad (coupled with the null nerf, and the difficultly of getting into a good firing position, this is almost required for a ship to work). As for price, it doesn't really seem that significant to me.
the trackings fine.... if you and your target don't intend on moving.
Originally by: Aeaus
The hyperion will be able to get into range faster, do more damage, and take more punishment in the blaster-boat role, and the huge capacitor allows it to run for quite some time.
the capasitor is extremely average, the sig radius of the ship means it'll ballon as soon as it needs to get any where in a hurry
the whole things just making me not want to fly battleships at all.
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