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Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.18 17:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen We've done well to head off RAGOON & friends thus far. So the massive losses of BS, HACs, cruisers and t2 frigs to us wasn't considered at all in your calculations? My... my... it must be new math. They haven't taken massive losses to us, a single one-sided fight is not cause to go chestthumping on forums, and even if it'd been way more it'd still be lame http://eve.klaki.net/
Khayman33 Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.19 00:52:00 - [62] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 18/11/2006 13:04:04 Past few days i've seen hardly any enemies thanks to my timezone, Goon and RA operate at times when im at work. Yesterday i had the day off and was looking forward to some fights, missed the 1V-L fight as i slept in. We jumped into RYC, node died, played a bit of cat and mouse with TCF. RA and Goon didn't really particapate, well they didn't at least while i was around. I went back to Curse and had a small skirmish with TCF there. It's been a bit of a let down to be honest, but like i said earlier, its a timezone issue. Props to TCF though, us in F4T4L have enjoyed our small skirmishes so far, i just hope all this flirting can finally stop so we can get down to the dirty stuff (proper fights ;)). Yes too bad the node crashed :( We couldn t have a proper Fleet fight ...
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.19 03:07:00 - [63] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen We've done well to head off RAGOON & friends thus far. So the massive losses of BS, HACs, cruisers and t2 frigs to us wasn't considered at all in your calculations? My... my... it must be new math. They haven't taken massive losses to us, a single one-sided fight is not cause to go chestthumping on forums, and even if it'd been way more it'd still be lame I was talking about over the last several days Anyways @LV/V... we like to shoost. Its that simple. You brought the shoostings down on yourself. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Zeoliter Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.19 10:00:00 - [64] Edited by: Zeoliter on 19/11/2006 10:01:45 Seems everyone wants a piece of Scalding Pass. RA/Goon/Roadkill/TCF/IMP and now IAC blowing in with their dreaded fleet of stabbed up T2 frigs. In kzf they were harrassing us and as we were all in BS's and BC's there wasn't much we could do except test out some ship fittings on suicide missions. One of our battleships took out 6 of them in a suicidial SB action which made us laugh and the only painful loss was a 'geddon. I undocked my raven at 28y - ran the kzf gatecamp and popped a T2 fitted Goon Tempest on the other side with two volleys. But that's just kids stuff and was good fun. The real fighting is in 1v- and RYC and when we can match at least half the enemy numbers its all about sheer enemy pwnage. In that big fight in 1v- we warped into the goon station camp and destroyed 75 ships with about 10 losses. The second time we warped in the node died. In a bigger engagement up near RYC a fleet of 150+ V/LV jumped into 250 enemy and they ran and then the server died again. This is a pattern that is repeated quite often. The Goons simply will not engage unless they outnumber 3:1 or have 25 RA Dreads with them...... Not sure what the RA guy was talking about as rules were not changed and 1v- should never have lost sovereignty as CCP have said that towers in reinforced mode count towards sov. Nevertheless, after DT V had lost sov (incorrectly) and in the off-peak time for us an enemy fleet shot the station and took it over. A pointless exercise because all POS's were completely recharged and even if they weren't sov would have changed back to V yesterday after DT (as it did). I would like to extend thanks to all the Goons that bought 75% of my stuff on the market that I put 750% above regional average. V/LV are rediculously outnumbered but we won't be moving out of Scalding Pass any time soon.
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.19 12:36:00 - [65] I think its important for the harmony of this thread to re-iterate that it was as we jumped into RYC that the node crashed. No fighting took place prior to that.
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.19 13:48:00 - [66] Originally by: Zeoliter Edited by: Zeoliter on 19/11/2006 10:01:45 Seems everyone wants a piece of Scalding Pass. RA/Goon/Roadkill/TCF/IMP and now IAC blowing in with their dreaded fleet of stabbed up T2 frigs. In kzf they were harrassing us and as we were all in BS's and BC's there wasn't much we could do except test out some ship fittings on suicide missions. One of our battleships took out 6 of them in a suicidial SB action which made us laugh and the only painful loss was a 'geddon. I undocked my raven at 28y - ran the kzf gatecamp and popped a T2 fitted Goon Tempest on the other side with two volleys. stabs on intys? erm. if you mean the fact that we warp off before you can kill us then i guess explaining to you that something moving at 5km/s doesn't exactly stay in scram range for long. And as for that goonswarm tempest you killed, you did fail to mention the 3 BS 4 BC's and assorted inty's we killed before he died.. while we were all in "stab" fitted t2 frigs. <3 my 3 warp core stabs.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.19 13:55:00 - [67] "1v- should never have lost sovereignty as CCP have said that towers in reinforced mode count towards sov." Prove it. Because that's utter rot sir. http://eve.klaki.net/
BustyBounty Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 14:13:00 - [68] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk "1v- should never have lost sovereignty as CCP have said that towers in reinforced mode count towards sov." Prove it. Because that's utter rot sir. you know what sharkbait said when asked about that Quote: Sharkbait Posted - 2006.11.18 14:15:00 - [79] - Quote i do not have alot of information on this atm, but it will be fixed in kali. i will try and keep you updated with information. Spank You later funnily enough the lv guy knows more than a dev ------------------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance I belong to.
Khayman33 Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.19 14:59:00 - [69] Originally by: Zeoliter Edited by: Zeoliter on 19/11/2006 10:01:45 Seems everyone wants a piece of Scalding Pass. RA/Goon/Roadkill/TCF/IMP and now IAC blowing in with their dreaded fleet of stabbed up T2 frigs. In kzf they were harrassing us and as we were all in BS's and BC's there wasn't much we could do except test out some ship fittings on suicide missions. One of our battleships took out 6 of them in a suicidial SB action which made us laugh and the only painful loss was a 'geddon. I undocked my raven at 28y - ran the kzf gatecamp and popped a T2 fitted Goon Tempest on the other side with two volleys. But that's just kids stuff and was good fun. The real fighting is in 1v- and RYC and when we can match at least half the enemy numbers its all about sheer enemy pwnage. In that big fight in 1v- we warped into the goon station camp and destroyed 75 ships with about 10 losses. The second time we warped in the node died. In a bigger engagement up near RYC a fleet of 150+ V/LV jumped into 250 enemy and they ran and then the server died again. This is a pattern that is repeated quite often. The Goons simply will not engage unless they outnumber 3:1 or have 25 RA Dreads with them...... Not sure what the RA guy was talking about as rules were not changed and 1v- should never have lost sovereignty as CCP have said that towers in reinforced mode count towards sov. Nevertheless, after DT V had lost sov (incorrectly) and in the off-peak time for us an enemy fleet shot the station and took it over. A pointless exercise because all POS's were completely recharged and even if they weren't sov would have changed back to V yesterday after DT (as it did). I would like to extend thanks to all the Goons that bought 75% of my stuff on the market that I put 750% above regional average. V/LV are rediculously outnumbered but we won't be moving out of Scalding Pass any time soon. In RYC local before you jump was around 150 sry :) And intel say you have 2*more BSs . If the node don t crash you will have your fleet fight - end of discussion -
Dirty Knave Gallente Damage Unlimited Inc Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.19 15:07:00 - [70] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen We've done well to head off RAGOON & friends thus far. So the massive losses of BS, HACs, cruisers and t2 frigs to us wasn't considered at all in your calculations? My... my... it must be new math. They haven't taken massive losses to us, a single one-sided fight is not cause to go chestthumping on forums, and even if it'd been way more it'd still be lame I think the whole point we are trying to make here is that we dont get our gangs slaughterd 15-20 ships at a time like GOONies do. Yes we lose ships like veryone else but we win most enagagements I have been in and usually come out with a 5/1 kill ratio or worse in many cases. Last night alone we slaughterd 2 GOON gangs within a 20 minute period resulting in 15+ kills. I have gotten the impression that GOON has no qualified gang leaders because it always seems they lead their gangs to the slaughter. Just my 2 cents... and this si not smack just the facts... take it as you wish.

Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 16:40:00 - [71] There are two kinds of Goons gangs - standard gang - suicide gang When gang assembled as suicide gang, people gathering just for fun no matter how much of goons will die as a result of engagement. Swarm is living by swarm rules. So i do not think you'll be able to influent on their morale just by slaughtering their random gangs since they are ready to die at any given moment of time. Contrary to your humble servant. --------------------
Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.11.19 17:00:00 - [72] Being in neither -V- or LV, let me be the first to support Knave in what he says about the reds having few or non able fleet commanders. I have fought RA before and have yet to be impressed by them. Same goes with Goon now. To -V-: Having Light Darkness as supreme commander is something you should cheerish and remember. He was truly the greatest fleetcommander EvE has ever seen and other excellent commanders came to be because of him. Fighting heavily outnumbered teaches you how important fleet command is. The other side, reds, always fight with greater numbers and I do believe many of them will not ever appreciate the value of having great leadership. Just my to ISK...
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:13:00 - [73] Originally by: Zeoliter Edited by: Zeoliter on 19/11/2006 10:01:45 -stuff- The second time we warped in the node died. In a bigger engagement up near RYC a fleet of 150+ V/LV jumped into 250 enemy and they ran and then the server died again. -Stuff- That's not quite how it happened. You guys started jumping smaller ships (the first were a Helios and a Taranis if I remember rightly) which died quickly. Other small ships, cruisers and frigs, then started jumping in and seemed to lag warp. The lag started at that point with people calling targets I couldn't even see. Then the node died. Nobody ran anywhere... Had it not died I think a very interesting battle would have ensued. We started to log back in, but one of the first to manage to do so reported 14 hostiles on the gate so the FC quite rightly decided not to allow you guys to kill us piecemeal and ordered the fleet to stop trying to log in. LOL - I love your attempt at trying to cast yourselves as the heroes jumping in outnumbered... At no time were there 250 in RYC local before you started jumping in. It's interesting that you have started mentioning the fact that you are "ridculously outnumbered". Are you starting to work on your excuse already?
Perpello Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:21:00 - [74] Originally by: Komolov There are two kinds of Goons gangs - standard gang - suicide gang Surely all Goon gangs begin as the 1st kind and become the 2nd kind when they meet a hostile gang?
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:00:00 - [75] Try to study engagements statistics objectively, leaving cheap propaganda aside. --------------------
Corak Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:59:00 - [76] muahaha LV and all your friends meby you can stop spam forums ?? you can`t kill RED almost 1 year
Romeo Gallente Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:42:00 - [77] Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Quote: Among IMP, TFC, Goons & RA the only talent lies with RA. RA will probably get either parity or a positive kill ratio over the course of the war, IMP, TFC & Goons will do about as well as you expect filler alliances & meatshields to do on the battlefield. we have positve allready thanks and isk wise its even better thanks to the cap pilots of v that liked to play undocking games in e02 before you guys left for scalding pass (oops sorry -v- still claim GW even though they dont actually live there ) thanks for hiring infod+trumvirate -v- they are entertaining but dont accomplish a whole lot since you helped them move in. you should see us helping redswarm in scalding pass alot more in the very near future. thanks for taking the thread off topic aswell im sure the thread starter apreciates it havent seen you around in gw before, you look like another forum warrior to me. You cant seem to handle 10 man gang with 30+ of your friend in the system. Dont leave GW now, we have just started to have our fun. Hope to see you soon in my bubble.
Albus Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 01:04:00 - [78] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: Zeoliter Edited by: Zeoliter on 19/11/2006 10:01:45 -stuff- The second time we warped in the node died. In a bigger engagement up near RYC a fleet of 150+ V/LV jumped into 250 enemy and they ran and then the server died again. -Stuff- That's not quite how it happened. You guys started jumping smaller ships (the first were a Helios and a Taranis if I remember rightly) which died quickly. Other small ships, cruisers and frigs, then started jumping in and seemed to lag warp. The lag started at that point with people calling targets I couldn't even see. Then the node died. Nobody ran anywhere... Had it not died I think a very interesting battle would have ensued. We started to log back in, but one of the first to manage to do so reported 14 hostiles on the gate so the FC quite rightly decided not to allow you guys to kill us piecemeal and ordered the fleet to stop trying to log in. LOL - I love your attempt at trying to cast yourselves as the heroes jumping in outnumbered... At no time were there 250 in RYC local before you started jumping in. It's interesting that you have started mentioning the fact that you are "ridculously outnumbered". Are you starting to work on your excuse already? Yeah, sounds about right. Our support jumped in, then our BS's, at which point the entire node went out for lunch. Shame really, looked reasonably even and would probably have been a great fight. Took me at least 10 minutes to be able to see any ships at the gate when I logged back in as well. Sucks hearing people killing things on TS and not being able to see anwything! Had some fun and games with an enemy sniper BS fleet who seemed determined to avoid an engagement at all costs a little later. Don't think I've warped back and forth between gates quite so often before!
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 01:36:00 - [79] Bring on the capital ships. Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Menf Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.20 06:44:00 - [80] very funny how all try to show up as the winner of this stupid POS-war I hope the lack of goons within the last days(except on bigger fleet-engagements) will be filled up with IACs or IMPs in Scalding Pass dont want to get the rest of SERA bored and we must visit IMP in E02 to keep our killboard alive the only truth is on the battlefield. the results will allways be turned by someone into theyre's favour.. more fights. less posts. Some players allready noticed.. "If you SEE me, its allready too late..."

Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 07:12:00 - [81] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Bring on the capital ships. I second. ___________
Valen L'eganas Gallente Nun Amun Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.20 07:14:00 - [82] Originally by: Komolov There are two kinds of Goons gangs - standard gang - suicide gang When gang assembled as suicide gang, people gathering just for fun no matter how much of goons will die as a result of engagement. Swarm is living by swarm rules. So i do not think you'll be able to influent on their morale just by slaughtering their random gangs since they are ready to die at any given moment of time. Contrary to your humble servant. As long as they give their lives for the swarm, I'm fine with that. :) Me myself, I honestly don't think GOON lacks good fleetcommanders, I probably never ran into them. "War is like a three edged sword, you have their side, our side and the thruth." ---------------------- We don't care, what you say. I'mma do my thing, from day to day... We don't care, what you think. 'Cause in this world, it's Swim-or-Sink...
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:56:00 - [83] Firstly the bit that will get flamed: "1 Side is constantly attacking. 1 Side is constantly defending. There is only 1 winner if this continues, that is a fundematal of War 101 gentlemen. Again i re iterate an earlier thought, if LV/V HC carry on the path they have chosen, there is only 1 outcome." Now to the more personal stuff. GREAT fights this weekend LV/V, KIA have loved this contract (sadly it is coming to an end), over 100 kills this weekend (not all LV/V i think Opus took a few losses also), our gank squads are having a riot. A few losses for us, nothing too expensive though, no doubts V/LV can fight and their gate camps are a constant threat to our squadrons, very nice. We havent met an entity so willing to fight for a long time. They should and do take pride in that. Just a comment/agreement on an earlier post, Goons and the "swarm" will keep on coming, they dont care if you slaughter them, they often set out to get slaughtered. tech 1 gangs dont cost much, and they do often take far more with them in terms of isk, they have some VERY GOOD Fc's, and when called to do so, are perfectly capable of handling themselves. Capital ship action ahoy. We are yet to see the lV/V cap fleet, but we are told its a decent size. But it is risky deploying caps at the moemnt, that said... ;) Our dreads have been in action all week long, but yet to no avail, V have held steadfast, and the fleet sizes and server instability have seen their goals accomplished. They still own every station other than J-Lo, but I just have a feeling, and NO FLAME intended, that that will not be the situation come month end. Time will tell. Contract ends wednesday for KIA, we will be VERY sad to see this one pass by. Despite the smack and forum fighting, it has been a pretty honourable fight, target rich environments are what corps like KIA pray for. 3 Days left, lets hope they are a fitting end. Safe flight, until we meet of course. KIA EVE Home
McDan Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 12:54:00 - [84] Originally by: KIAEddZ Firstly the bit that will get flamed: "1 Side is constantly attacking. 1 Side is constantly defending. There is only 1 winner if this continues, that is a fundematal of War 101 gentlemen. Again i re iterate an earlier thought, if LV/V HC carry on the path they have chosen, there is only 1 outcome." Now to the more personal stuff. GREAT fights this weekend LV/V, KIA have loved this contract (sadly it is coming to an end), over 100 kills this weekend (not all LV/V i think Opus took a few losses also), our gank squads are having a riot. A few losses for us, nothing too expensive though, no doubts V/LV can fight and their gate camps are a constant threat to our squadrons, very nice. We havent met an entity so willing to fight for a long time. They should and do take pride in that. Just a comment/agreement on an earlier post, Goons and the "swarm" will keep on coming, they dont care if you slaughter them, they often set out to get slaughtered. tech 1 gangs dont cost much, and they do often take far more with them in terms of isk, they have some VERY GOOD Fc's, and when called to do so, are perfectly capable of handling themselves. Capital ship action ahoy. We are yet to see the lV/V cap fleet, but we are told its a decent size. But it is risky deploying caps at the moemnt, that said... ;) Our dreads have been in action all week long, but yet to no avail, V have held steadfast, and the fleet sizes and server instability have seen their goals accomplished. They still own every station other than J-Lo, but I just have a feeling, and NO FLAME intended, that that will not be the situation come month end. Time will tell. Contract ends wednesday for KIA, we will be VERY sad to see this one pass by. Despite the smack and forum fighting, it has been a pretty honourable fight, target rich environments are what corps like KIA pray for. 3 Days left, lets hope they are a fitting end. Safe flight, until we meet of course. One side may be attacking at the moment but lets not forget that this is the continuation of a war and not a new war completely. Entities have joined and left both side of the conflict and the momentum has swayed so its not exactly, "a fundamental of War 101," is it? Good luck with your future activities but i would just like to suggest that you take less of an open political view into the contracts you accept. McDan
Tjakka KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 13:35:00 - [85] Originally by: Skrypt Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Bring on the capital ships. I second. we took em in dunno what you talking about go attack c-j and we will see if you still have cap ships left after you came there. our dreads have been active almost every day. now go take your capital fleet in and stop talking on forums like you are the man with the balls cos you dont have any.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.20 13:45:00 - [86] Originally by: Tjakka Originally by: Skrypt Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Bring on the capital ships. I second. we took em in dunno what you talking about go attack c-j and we will see if you still have cap ships left after you came there. our dreads have been active almost every day. now go take your capital fleet in and stop talking on forums like you are the man with the balls cos you dont have any. I always thought KIA was better then this... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 14:54:00 - [87] Originally by: Tjakka Originally by: Skrypt Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Bring on the capital ships. I second. we took em in dunno what you talking about go attack c-j and we will see if you still have cap ships left after you came there. our dreads have been active almost every day. now go take your capital fleet in and stop talking on forums like you are the man with the balls cos you dont have any. Classy comeback. F4T4L is Recruiting!
Bazman Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 14:54:00 - [88] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Tjakka Originally by: Skrypt Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Bring on the capital ships. I second. we took em in dunno what you talking about go attack c-j and we will see if you still have cap ships left after you came there. our dreads have been active almost every day. now go take your capital fleet in and stop talking on forums like you are the man with the balls cos you dont have any. I always thought KIA was better then this... He's bitter because Kunming blew up his Vaga with a Brutix (lol) Just because you haven't seen our dreadnoughts, doesn't mean they aren't being used. ----- OMG READ TUXFORD!!!1
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 14:58:00 - [89] Edited by: KIAEddZ on 20/11/2006 15:00:26 Okies schtop. TJ has never been known for his tact, and his answer is both rude and a little coarse. BUT His point is valid. RA/Goon/KIA dreads are being deployed daily,striking at your owned systems, and yet you keep your fleet hidden in fear of losing them.... in fear of using them. Look past his inability to put what he has to say in a manner that inspires discussion, and you will see a point that is both pertinent and relevant, where the fk are your cap ships? "Just cos we dont see them, doesnt mean thay aren't being used" What EXACTLY have you been using them for over the last couple of weeks, apart from that 1 failed attaempt at an attack on a RA pos? :/ xx ps. Guys you dont honestly think hes "bitter" at losing a few hacs... that made me smile. TJ is what we describe in KIA as "the moneybags" like most of KIA, he has a great degree of personal wealth, and understands that ship losses are all part n parcel of PvP. KIA EVE Home
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 15:06:00 - [90] Edited by: Ediz Daxx on 20/11/2006 15:06:58 Are you paid by the number of posts you write?



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