Originally by: Hast

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my first guess is it goes laggy

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Originally by: Zhaine

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Originally by: Hast

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my first guess is it goes laggy

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Hehe well yeah.

But actually, how well the servers are holding up post-upgrade is another point that I'd be pretty interested in. I guess it's "not well" given the node crash, though

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Originally by: Bazman

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I missed it all because my graphics card crapped out :(

Something in the region of 70 Enemy ships destroyed at the first battle in 1v just after DT (No Ideas on losses though, probably moderate given the concentration of ships), afaik all Deathstars have been saved, RA/Goon aborted the attack on 1v and hit RYC instead, after that I have no idea. Sounds like they are having fun though

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And of course, LV will tell ya that they've pwning everything, but mostly only on the forum. Razz

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Originally by: Jonaswpl

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RaSatan lost a Revelation.

Goonswarm got spanked in 1V.

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Originally by: Dragerest

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Originally by: Jonaswpl

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RaSatan lost a Revelation.

Goonswarm got spanked in 1V.

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please don't tell me losing one dread is spanked...

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Originally by: Hudsonn

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Edited by: Hudsonn on 18/11/2006 01:32:38
IMP/TNT are in GW. red/goons/TCF are our allies. Kinda doing our own thing at the moment. No point in us all being in the same place. TCF i think are floating about between.

Things change everyday, so yeah it's hard to keep track on who's doing what and where. All good fun though, that's the main thing.

And of course, LV will tell ya that they've pwning everything, but mostly only on the forum.

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Originally by: Jonaswpl

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And of course, LV will tell ya that they've pwning everything, but mostly only on the forum. Razz

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Well if you had a clue then you would realize Goon got spanked in 1V on the 17th of November, 2006. In game and not on the forums.

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Originally by: Hawkings SJ

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Among V, LV, KOS & CHIMP the only talent lies with LV. LV will probably get either parity or a positive kill ratio over the course of the war, V, CHIMP & other various alliances we tricked into allying with us will do about as well as you expect filler alliances & meatshields to do on the battlefield.

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Originally by: Unfamed II

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he played dock-undock-dock game, and eventually got bumped out of docking range by some other RA dread/carrier.

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please don't tell me losing one dread is spanked...

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And then I also wonder why you are boasting about killing a RED Alliance capship a full day before in a system 6+ jumps away as something to do with what happened today?

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Originally by: Jonaswpl

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Just because LV lost ships during the course of an entire day does not mean Goons did not get spanked during a fleet battle. How about I rephrase my original statement as "Goonswarm got spanked dirty, seriously wtfpwned during a fleet battle." Can you understand this phrase?

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Originally by: Jonaswpl

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Goonswarm got spanked during the fleet battle in 1V.

Get mad.

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Originally by: arkz67

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Edited by: arkz67 on 18/11/2006 05:06:25

Originally by: Jonaswpl

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Goonswarm got spanked during the fleet battle in 1V.

Get mad.

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hahahahahahaha

i love these forums.

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Originally by: Zhaine

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3 - Any cap ships involved (apart from SSed Carriers/MSs assigning fighters obviously) in the 1V business yet? Also, as 1V- has only 5 moons are they all death-starred by V POS or not? Do RA/Goons have any up in 1V- yet?
6 - Anything else I've missed, or that anyone wants to add about 1V- atm or the conflict in general, please fire away.

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Originally by: arkz67

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Im a troll for posting exactly what both sides had lost in a battle after one sides claims to have spanked the other?

Says everyhing about the intellect and character of most people who play this game this thread. I shall leave you to wallow.

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Originally by: Papa Digger

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Originally by: Zhaine

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3 - Any cap ships involved (apart from SSed Carriers/MSs assigning fighters obviously) in the 1V business yet? Also, as 1V- has only 5 moons are they all death-starred by V POS or not? Do RA/Goons have any up in 1V- yet?
6 - Anything else I've missed, or that anyone wants to add about 1V- atm or the conflict in general, please fire away.

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Day ago RA/Goons dreads put all towers in reinforce mode and system was in bloacade, but for 1 day in 1v system POS warfare rules was "suddenly changed" and reinforced POSes still claim sovereignty in system (so RA wasnt able for 1 day take station from V).. but in next day, when LV/V collect forces in system to protect it, old POS warfare rules suddenly back and claim in system was dropped.
This siege left no fun, only anger on CCP and GMs.

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Originally by: James Snowscoran

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I assume you do, just another alt troll. You do know you're not allowed to post in this forum section?

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Originally by: arkz67

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Edited by: arkz67 on 18/11/2006 04:20:26

Originally by: Jonaswpl

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And of course, LV will tell ya that they've pwning everything, but mostly only on the forum. Razz

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Well if you had a clue then you would realize Goon got spanked in 1V on the 17th of November, 2006. In game and not on the forums.

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Intrigued I decided to do some dectective work and put this dispute to the test.

According to the killboards of LV, Reds and Goons, looking at only the killmails on each (many alliances miss lots of lossmails off their kb but curiously no one ever seems to forget to post their kills), here are the losses for the 3 hours after downtime in 1V-

LV/V fleet:
14 BS lost, 8 belonging to LV

Goonswarm/allies fleet:
11 BS lost, 9 of which were goons

Hmm goons got spanked but lost less BS? im also told they held the field after both battles after LV warped out and scooped the loot?

and before you post about how many blackbirds you popped, I see a fair few HAC and Recon losses among your support losses, and all your BS were t2 unlike goons.


And then I also wonder why you are boasting about killing a RED Alliance capship a full day before in a system 6+ jumps away as something to do with what happened today?


I love you Vodka Lolterra, pure comedy as always

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Originally by: Papa Digger

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Originally by: Zhaine

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3 - Any cap ships involved (apart from SSed Carriers/MSs assigning fighters obviously) in the 1V business yet? Also, as 1V- has only 5 moons are they all death-starred by V POS or not? Do RA/Goons have any up in 1V- yet?
6 - Anything else I've missed, or that anyone wants to add about 1V- atm or the conflict in general, please fire away.

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Day ago RA/Goons dreads put all towers in reinforce mode and system was in bloacade, but for 1 day in 1v system POS warfare rules was "suddenly changed" and reinforced POSes still claim sovereignty in system (so RA wasnt able for 1 day take station from V).. but in next day, when LV/V collect forces in system to protect it, old POS warfare rules suddenly back and claim in system was dropped.
This siege left no fun, only anger on CCP and GMs.

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Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen

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We've done well to head off RAGOON & friends thus far.

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Originally by: Kyguard

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Originally by: Hawkings SJ

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Among V, LV, KOS & CHIMP the only talent lies with LV. LV will probably get either parity or a positive kill ratio over the course of the war, V, CHIMP & other various alliances we tricked into allying with us will do about as well as you expect filler alliances & meatshields to do on the battlefield.

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Among IMP, TFC, Goons & RA the only talent lies with RA. RA will probably get either parity or a positive kill ratio over the course of the war, IMP, TFC & Goons will do about as well as you expect filler alliances & meatshields to do on the battlefield.

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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui

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thanks for hiring infod+trumvirate -v- they are entertaining but dont accomplish a whole lot since you helped them move in.

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Originally by: Jonaswpl

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RaSatan lost a Revelation.

Goonswarm got spanked in 1V.

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Originally by: Miss Overlord

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imp and goonswarm teaming up - u guys do know that BOB HC are planning to come play with RA-Goons when they are finished with ASCN - so i hope that they manage to get a few other friends in the process. Cause BOB are on a roll

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Originally by: Miss Overlord

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imp and goonswarm teaming up - u guys do know that BOB HC are planning to come play with RA-Goons when they are finished with ASCN - so i hope that they manage to get a few other friends in the process. Cause BOB are on a roll

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen

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We've done well to head off RAGOON & friends thus far.

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So the massive losses of BS, HACs, cruisers and t2 frigs to us wasn't considered at all in your calculations?

My... my... it must be new math.

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Originally by: Nanus Parkite

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With the fairly inflated price of T2 large guns these days capital ships are starting to become the cheaper option for budding fleet pilots :)

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Originally by: Jonaswpl

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And of course, LV will tell ya that they've pwning everything, but mostly only on the forum. Razz

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Well if you had a clue then you would realize Goon got spanked in 1V on the 17th of November, 2006. In game and not on the forums.

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Same for IMP btw. One day they deny that they are a part of this war, next day they say they're fighting on the side with RA, just fight at different places, because all people in one place makes no sense.

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Originally by: Happydayz

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So do you copy and paste all of your posts so you can respam them once they get deleted?

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Originally by: Necronomicon

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arkz67

member of Science and Trade Institute for less than a day.

Mods ffs, will you just forum ban this clown shoe wearing alt muppet?

Get tough on alts, get tough on the causes of alts.

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEE!!!!

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Originally by: arkz67

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here are the losses for the 3 hours after downtime in 1V-

LV/V fleet:
14 BS lost, 8 belonging to LV

Goonswarm/allies fleet:
11 BS lost, 9 of which were goons

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen

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We've done well to head off RAGOON & friends thus far.

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So the massive losses of BS, HACs, cruisers and t2 frigs to us wasn't considered at all in your calculations?

My... my... it must be new math.

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 18/11/2006 13:04:04
Past few days i've seen hardly any enemies thanks to my timezone, Goon and RA operate at times when im at work. Yesterday i had the day off and was looking forward to some fights, missed the 1V-L fight as i slept in.

We jumped into RYC, node died, played a bit of cat and mouse with TCF. RA and Goon didn't really particapate, well they didn't at least while i was around.

I went back to Curse and had a small skirmish with TCF there.

It's been a bit of a let down to be honest, but like i said earlier, its a timezone issue.

Props to TCF though, us in F4T4L have enjoyed our small skirmishes so far, i just hope all this flirting can finally stop so we can get down to the dirty stuff (proper fights ;)).

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen

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We've done well to head off RAGOON & friends thus far.

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So the massive losses of BS, HACs, cruisers and t2 frigs to us wasn't considered at all in your calculations?

My... my... it must be new math.

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They haven't taken massive losses to us, a single one-sided fight is not cause to go chestthumping on forums, and even if it'd been way more it'd still be lame

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Originally by: Zeoliter

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Edited by: Zeoliter on 19/11/2006 10:01:45
Seems everyone wants a piece of Scalding Pass. RA/Goon/Roadkill/TCF/IMP and now IAC blowing in with their dreaded fleet of stabbed up T2 frigs. In kzf they were harrassing us and as we were all in BS's and BC's there wasn't much we could do except test out some ship fittings on suicide missions. One of our battleships took out 6 of them in a suicidial SB action which made us laugh and the only painful loss was a 'geddon. I undocked my raven at 28y - ran the kzf gatecamp and popped a T2 fitted Goon Tempest on the other side with two volleys.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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"1v- should never have lost sovereignty as CCP have said that towers in reinforced mode count towards sov."

Prove it.
Because that's utter rot sir.

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Sharkbait

Posted - 2006.11.18 14:15:00 - [79] - Quote
i do not have alot of information on this atm, but it will be fixed in kali.

i will try and keep you updated with information.



Spank You later

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Originally by: Zeoliter

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Edited by: Zeoliter on 19/11/2006 10:01:45
Seems everyone wants a piece of Scalding Pass. RA/Goon/Roadkill/TCF/IMP and now IAC blowing in with their dreaded fleet of stabbed up T2 frigs. In kzf they were harrassing us and as we were all in BS's and BC's there wasn't much we could do except test out some ship fittings on suicide missions. One of our battleships took out 6 of them in a suicidial SB action which made us laugh and the only painful loss was a 'geddon. I undocked my raven at 28y - ran the kzf gatecamp and popped a T2 fitted Goon Tempest on the other side with two volleys.

But that's just kids stuff and was good fun. The real fighting is in 1v- and RYC and when we can match at least half the enemy numbers its all about sheer enemy pwnage. In that big fight in 1v- we warped into the goon station camp and destroyed 75 ships with about 10 losses. The second time we warped in the node died. In a bigger engagement up near RYC a fleet of 150+ V/LV jumped into 250 enemy and they ran and then the server died again.

This is a pattern that is repeated quite often. The Goons simply will not engage unless they outnumber 3:1 or have 25 RA Dreads with them......

Not sure what the RA guy was talking about as rules were not changed and 1v- should never have lost sovereignty as CCP have said that towers in reinforced mode count towards sov. Nevertheless, after DT V had lost sov (incorrectly) and in the off-peak time for us an enemy fleet shot the station and took it over. A pointless exercise because all POS's were completely recharged and even if they weren't sov would have changed back to V yesterday after DT (as it did).

I would like to extend thanks to all the Goons that bought 75% of my stuff on the market that I put 750% above regional average.

V/LV are rediculously outnumbered but we won't be moving out of Scalding Pass any time soon.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen

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We've done well to head off RAGOON & friends thus far.

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So the massive losses of BS, HACs, cruisers and t2 frigs to us wasn't considered at all in your calculations?

My... my... it must be new math.

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They haven't taken massive losses to us, a single one-sided fight is not cause to go chestthumping on forums, and even if it'd been way more it'd still be lame

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Originally by: Zeoliter

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Edited by: Zeoliter on 19/11/2006 10:01:45
-stuff-
The second time we warped in the node died. In a bigger engagement up near RYC a fleet of 150+ V/LV jumped into 250 enemy and they ran and then the server died again.
-Stuff-

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Originally by: Komolov

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There are two kinds of Goons gangs
- standard gang
- suicide gang

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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui

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Among IMP, TFC, Goons & RA the only talent lies with RA. RA will probably get either parity or a positive kill ratio over the course of the war, IMP, TFC & Goons will do about as well as you expect filler alliances & meatshields to do on the battlefield.

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we have positve allready thanks and isk wise its even better thanks to the cap pilots of v that liked to play undocking games in e02 before you guys left for scalding pass (oops sorry -v- still claim GW even though they dont actually live there )

thanks for hiring infod+trumvirate -v- they are entertaining but dont accomplish a whole lot since you helped them move in.

you should see us helping redswarm in scalding pass alot more in the very near future.

thanks for taking the thread off topic aswell im sure the thread starter apreciates it

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Originally by: Zeoliter

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Edited by: Zeoliter on 19/11/2006 10:01:45
-stuff-
The second time we warped in the node died. In a bigger engagement up near RYC a fleet of 150+ V/LV jumped into 250 enemy and they ran and then the server died again.
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That's not quite how it happened. You guys started jumping smaller ships (the first were a Helios and a Taranis if I remember rightly) which died quickly. Other small ships, cruisers and frigs, then started jumping in and seemed to lag warp. The lag started at that point with people calling targets I couldn't even see. Then the node died. Nobody ran anywhere... Had it not died I think a very interesting battle would have ensued.

We started to log back in, but one of the first to manage to do so reported 14 hostiles on the gate so the FC quite rightly decided not to allow you guys to kill us piecemeal and ordered the fleet to stop trying to log in.

LOL - I love your attempt at trying to cast yourselves as the heroes jumping in outnumbered... At no time were there 250 in RYC local before you started jumping in.

It's interesting that you have started mentioning the fact that you are "ridculously outnumbered". Are you starting to work on your excuse already?

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Bring on the capital ships.

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Originally by: Komolov

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There are two kinds of Goons gangs
- standard gang
- suicide gang

When gang assembled as suicide gang, people gathering just for fun no matter how much of goons will die as a result of engagement. Swarm is living by swarm rules. So i do not think you'll be able to influent on their morale just by slaughtering their random gangs since they are ready to die at any given moment of time. Contrary to your humble servant.

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Firstly the bit that will get flamed:
"1 Side is constantly attacking.

1 Side is constantly defending.

There is only 1 winner if this continues, that is a fundematal of War 101 gentlemen.

Again i re iterate an earlier thought, if LV/V HC carry on the path they have chosen, there is only 1 outcome."

Now to the more personal stuff.

GREAT fights this weekend LV/V, KIA have loved this contract (sadly it is coming to an end), over 100 kills this weekend (not all LV/V i think Opus took a few losses also), our gank squads are having a riot. A few losses for us, nothing too expensive though, no doubts V/LV can fight and their gate camps are a constant threat to our squadrons, very nice. We havent met an entity so willing to fight for a long time. They should and do take pride in that.

Just a comment/agreement on an earlier post, Goons and the "swarm" will keep on coming, they dont care if you slaughter them, they often set out to get slaughtered. tech 1 gangs dont cost much, and they do often take far more with them in terms of isk, they have some VERY GOOD Fc's, and when called to do so, are perfectly capable of handling themselves.

Capital ship action ahoy.

We are yet to see the lV/V cap fleet, but we are told its a decent size. But it is risky deploying caps at the moemnt, that said... ;)

Our dreads have been in action all week long, but yet to no avail, V have held steadfast, and the fleet sizes and server instability have seen their goals accomplished. They still own every station other than J-Lo, but I just have a feeling, and NO FLAME intended, that that will not be the situation come month end. Time will tell.

Contract ends wednesday for KIA, we will be VERY sad to see this one pass by. Despite the smack and forum fighting, it has been a pretty honourable fight, target rich environments are what corps like KIA pray for. 3 Days left, lets hope they are a fitting end.

Safe flight, until we meet of course.

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Originally by: Skrypt

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Bring on the capital ships.

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I second.

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Originally by: Tjakka

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Originally by: Skrypt

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Bring on the capital ships.

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I second.

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we took em in dunno what you talking about go attack c-j and we will see if you still have cap ships left after you came there.

our dreads have been active almost every day. now go take your capital fleet in and stop talking on forums like you are the man with the balls cos you dont have any.

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Originally by: Tjakka

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Originally by: Skrypt

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Bring on the capital ships.

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I second.

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we took em in dunno what you talking about go attack c-j and we will see if you still have cap ships left after you came there.

our dreads have been active almost every day. now go take your capital fleet in and stop talking on forums like you are the man with the balls cos you dont have any.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Originally by: Tjakka

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Originally by: Skrypt

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Bring on the capital ships.

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I second.

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we took em in dunno what you talking about go attack c-j and we will see if you still have cap ships left after you came there.

our dreads have been active almost every day. now go take your capital fleet in and stop talking on forums like you are the man with the balls cos you dont have any.

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I always thought KIA was better then this...

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 20/11/2006 15:00:26
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Originally by: Max Teranous

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Originally by: Noluck Ned

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Originally by: Tjakka

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Originally by: Skrypt

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Bring on the capital ships.

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I second.

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we took em in dunno what you talking about go attack c-j and we will see if you still have cap ships left after you came there.

our dreads have been active almost every day. now go take your capital fleet in and stop talking on forums like you are the man with the balls cos you dont have any.

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Classy comeback.

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Well actually it is for TJ, he's usually far blunter, (the Dutch are not known for thier tact), but he does have a point. RA the Goons and KIA have been showing you "theirs" .... we haven't seen "yours" yet... any chance of a peek?

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Several of the KIA guys seem to be under the impression that the war has only been going on since they arrived in the combat zone - it hasn't. This war has been going on for over a year, both sides have had their high times and their low times, and both sides have used dreads extensively at points. How do you think the coalition took a dozen station systems in the first place - unless they used dreads ???

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Originally by: DHB FooFighter

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Edited by: DHB FooFighter on 18/11/2006 13:24:36
IAC are part of this war. Maybe not as active as i would like, but perhaps once our miners realise their be mercoxite in them thar hills we can show a bit more presence. We literaly had to pry bluebear away from IAK once he saw one of the belts

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You got Wwhipser drooling and dreaming of IAC haulers and miners dancing thru her head like sugar plumbs already.

Originally by: Raste

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Edited by: Raste on 20/11/2006 17:29:29
"Fair point but we can only talk about what has happened since our involvement. Secondly what seems to be being implied is that RA/Goons/Kia are not bringing out their cap ships while the opposite is actually true (at the present time of course, I can't speak about what happened a year ago "

I doubt anyone would expect mercs to be able to talk intelligently about the politics of a situation they've been hired into, so you didn't disappoint there. Although you were down here briefly before ditching ERA.

Eddz and Tjakka, keep donating loot. You were bragging on one of your countless chest-beating threads about a 10:1 ratio against LV, please back this up. I doubt your entire corp killed enough LV to cover the Vaga/HAC losses of you two alone. If ganking wasn't your goal though, and it was your impartial prediction that went something like "V crumbling in a month, then LV is next", have you done anything at all to advance this pipe dream?

Anyway, its funny seeing KIA here smacking again, instead of RED, OHGOD, Ka-tet, TNT, IMP, IAC or TCF (ie, someone we actually fight). Keep your "V/LV are in trouble" nonsense to yourself and quit projecting your lack of backbone onto our pilots, thanks. Noone sees you except on the forums. Just stop.

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Originally by: Raste

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Edited by: Raste on 20/11/2006 17:29:29
"Fair point but we can only talk about what has happened since our involvement. Secondly what seems to be being implied is that RA/Goons/Kia are not bringing out their cap ships while the opposite is actually true (at the present time of course, I can't speak about what happened a year ago "

I doubt anyone would expect mercs to be able to talk intelligently about the politics of a situation they've been hired into, so you didn't disappoint there. Although you were down here briefly before ditching ERA.

Eddz and Tjakka, keep donating loot. You were bragging on one of your countless chest-beating threads about a 10:1 ratio against LV, please back this up. I doubt your entire corp killed enough LV to cover the Vaga/HAC losses of you two alone. If ganking wasn't your goal though, and it was your impartial prediction that went something like "V crumbling in a month, then LV is next", have you done anything at all to advance this pipe dream?

Anyway, its funny seeing KIA here smacking again, instead of RED, OHGOD, Ka-tet, TNT, IMP, IAC or TCF (ie, someone we actually fight). Keep your "V/LV are in trouble" nonsense to yourself and quit projecting your lack of backbone onto our pilots, thanks. Noone sees you except on the forums. Just stop.

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Check out our KB chum...

The contract against LV/-V- is currently standing at 306 kills to 36 losses. Your isk losses stand at 4850 m against our losses of 790 m. Efficiency is running at 86%.
Lucky we have no backbone or god knows what sort of state you would be in...

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Fair point but we can only talk about what has happened since our involvement. Secondly what seems to be being implied is that RA/Goons/Kia are not bringing out their cap ships while the opposite is actually true (at the present time of course, I can't speak about what happened a year ago )

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Check out our KB chum...

The contract against LV/-V- is currently standing at 306 kills to 36 losses. Your isk losses stand at 4850 m against our losses of 790 m. Efficiency is running at 86%.
Lucky we have no backbone or god knows what sort of state you would be in...

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Originally by: Raste

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Check out our KB chum...

The contract against LV/-V- is currently standing at 306 kills to 36 losses. Your isk losses stand at 4850 m against our losses of 790 m. Efficiency is running at 86%.
Lucky we have no backbone or god knows what sort of state you would be in...

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V and LV combined now, I'm trying to keep up as the story keeps changing.

Not including shuttles, noob ships, or pods...ours shows 15 KIA losses (3 recons, 6 hacs, most of the rest inty) against 23 LV losses (including t1 frigs, haulers, etc) I looked through the first 10 losses and there were none were KIA were not in a goon gang.

So you take a small corp, kit out the recons/hacs, aim at a large alliance's npc'ers/haulers, hide your members in gangs from other alliances so their deaths don't hurt your numbers, and come away with 1.5:1? I'm sure we have lossmails that didn't get posted, but honestly its been a pathetic showing on your part.

You've done nothing but come here and boast. Its appreciated though, you provide a constant reminder to us all of what happens to corps that are too weak to hold their space.

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Originally by: Raste

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Check out our KB chum...

The contract against LV/-V- is currently standing at 306 kills to 36 losses. Your isk losses stand at 4850 m against our losses of 790 m. Efficiency is running at 86%.
Lucky we have no backbone or god knows what sort of state you would be in...

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V and LV combined now, I'm trying to keep up as the story keeps changing.
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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Edited by: Der Pfaffe on 20/11/2006 23:36:42

Originally by: Raste

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Check out our KB chum...

The contract against LV/-V- is currently standing at 306 kills to 36 losses. Your isk losses stand at 4850 m against our losses of 790 m. Efficiency is running at 86%.
Lucky we have no backbone or god knows what sort of state you would be in...

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V and LV combined now, I'm trying to keep up as the story keeps changing.
-Stuff-

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When we say "you" we are using it collectively as in LV/-V- I don't understand why that should surprise you as our contract is against you both, or hadn't you realised?

You are correct when you say a few of your loss mails are missing. Please let me know if any of ours are and I will rectify it.
Missing from the figures are the odd kill against your friends..

As they say a picture tells a thousand stories.. here's yours for the night:

Pretty Picture

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Originally by: Karl Shade

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Just out of curiosity, does that count KM¦s where you¦ve been bolstering the goons or is it pure KIA kills?

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Edited by: Der Pfaffe on 20/11/2006 23:36:42

Originally by: Raste

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Check out our KB chum...

The contract against LV/-V- is currently standing at 306 kills to 36 losses. Your isk losses stand at 4850 m against our losses of 790 m. Efficiency is running at 86%.
Lucky we have no backbone or god knows what sort of state you would be in...

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V and LV combined now, I'm trying to keep up as the story keeps changing.
-Stuff-

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When we say "you" we are using it collectively as in LV/-V- I don't understand why that should surprise you as our contract is against you both, or hadn't you realised?

You are correct when you say a few of your loss mails are missing. Please let me know if any of ours are and I will rectify it.
Missing from the figures are the odd kill against your friends..

As they say a picture tells a thousand stories.. here's yours for the night:

Pretty Picture

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Originally by: Raste

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Edited by: Raste on 21/11/2006 00:19:57

Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Edited by: Der Pfaffe on 20/11/2006 23:36:42

Originally by: Raste

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Check out our KB chum...

The contract against LV/-V- is currently standing at 306 kills to 36 losses. Your isk losses stand at 4850 m against our losses of 790 m. Efficiency is running at 86%.
Lucky we have no backbone or god knows what sort of state you would be in...

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V and LV combined now, I'm trying to keep up as the story keeps changing.
-Stuff-

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When we say "you" we are using it collectively as in LV/-V- I don't understand why that should surprise you as our contract is against you both, or hadn't you realised?

You are correct when you say a few of your loss mails are missing. Please let me know if any of ours are and I will rectify it.
Missing from the figures are the odd kill against your friends..

As they say a picture tells a thousand stories.. here's yours for the night:

Pretty Picture

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Just at a glance you're reporting 2 HAC losses which should be 6.

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Originally by: Nebuli

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lol KIA.

Same thing happened with their "contract" on us, lots of chest beating, lots of ub3r numbers, but the applied, 50 GOONs and a single KIA crow and it was a KIA kill, but kill a GOON with a KIA in the gang and its not a KIA loss.

Its hard to pick out a single KIA crow in a 50-100man GOON gang, so numbers are likely to be in KIAs favour.

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Originally by: Nebuli

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lol KIA.

Same thing happened with their "contract" on us, lots of chest beating, lots of ub3r numbers, but the applied, 50 GOONs and a single KIA crow and it was a KIA kill, but kill a GOON with a KIA in the gang and its not a KIA loss.

Its hard to pick out a single KIA crow in a 50-100man GOON gang, so numbers are likely to be in KIAs favour.

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Can't fault your logic there mate, kill a Goon and it is a Goon loss not a Kia loss.

Apply your logic to this one.

My Rapier was blown up a week or so ago by a camp formed of various corps from LV, -V- and Alektorophopia alliances and Miners with Attitude. I imagine the KM went on all the corp Killboards plus the 3 alliance Killboards...

However, by your logic only the guy who got the kill mail should post it and it shouldn't appear in anybody elses kill stats whether they appear on the Killmail or not?

That's asking a little too much don't you think.

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Originally by: Raste

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Will do. Also looks like with your scoring system, we don't get credit for a kill unless LV actually gets the killshot, while you give yourself credit for goon killmails that you are on.

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Originally by: Der Pfaffe

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Originally by: Raste

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Will do. Also looks like with your scoring system, we don't get credit for a kill unless LV actually gets the killshot, while you give yourself credit for goon killmails that you are on.

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Errrr yeah... I'm sure you post Killmails to your alliance board if you feature as involved parties with -V- getting the final blow, so you also get credit for -V- killmails.

Are you suggesting that if LV and -V- kill one of our battleships together we should somehow post 2 losses?

Anyway this thread is going to get locked very soon it's way off topic...

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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Edited by: Plutoinum on 21/11/2006 01:49:45

Think I've got a kill-loss-ratio of around 10:1 too, but it's a mathematical trick due to kills not being solo-kills, but involvements. To break even and get a 1:1 ratio, you only need to fire one shot at someone, who goes down in that fight. That's why every pvp'er ends with a positive kill-loss-ratio, and would even do so, if his fleets would never win a battle.

To count more accurate in terms of efficiency, a single pilot should get 1/number_of_all_involved_pilots points for each kill and 1 for a loss.

For corp statistics with different involved corps the score for a single kill would be number_of_your_involved_pilots / number_of_all_involved_pilots and 1 for a loss.

Same error happens also, if RAGoon kill something together or LV/V. A teamkill pushes the kill-statistic of two boards by 1, a loss pushes only the loss-statistic on one board (= your own board).
So in the end maybe everyone has a positive kill-loss ratio. V,LV,RA,Goon. funny.

/edit ok, sorry, has been said already ...

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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To count more accurate in terms of efficiency, a single pilot should get 1/number_of_all_involved_pilots points for each kill and 1 for a loss.

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Originally by: Cardassius

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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... Problem is with truncated mails though :(
And euhm Veritas killboard kinda notices if someone forgot to file a loss.

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Yes, doesn't work by 100%, although statistically it might not even be far off with truncated mails, if we assume a random distribution and cut the mail in half, the ratio between different corps will stay roughly the same.

But no need to change boards, we just have to keep in mind that these awsome kill-death ratios don't really always tell the full truth.

cdt/con-loss vs. regular log-out. A proposal ...

Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 21/11/2006 14:33:56
..., but the situation in the south is very clear. They are losing.

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 21/11/2006 14:33:56
LV/V have made great opponents, never shy of a scrap, and in amongst the usual dross, some really good PvP pilots.
They have fought as hard on these forums as in game, which was nice, made a change, but the situation in the south is very clear. They are losing.

No goons post on these boards, and the crowing from LV/V was just too much to handle, it was nice to be able to put the other side of the story across, and watch LV/V bite hard.

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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To count more accurate in terms of efficiency, a single pilot should get 1/number_of_all_involved_pilots points for each kill and 1 for a loss.

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Originally by: Komolov

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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To count more accurate in terms of efficiency, a single pilot should get 1/number_of_all_involved_pilots points for each kill and 1 for a loss.

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Well since i got 164 pure solo kills and 38 losses i think i'm very positive by any scoring system :)

BTW RA scoring system is working absolutely same way you just described

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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Nevertheless, if two alliances form a fleet and both make a kill:loss statistic on their board, they make a mistake, because they count only their own losses, but shared kills twice.
It's like, if 5 players of my corp would team up with 40 others, then we get 10 involvments, before our whole fleet dies horribly. We would still have a kill-loss-ratio of 10:5 = 2:1, although we wouldn't have killed any more than the rest of the fleet and just died like everyone else.

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Originally by: Komolov

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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Nevertheless, if two alliances form a fleet and both make a kill:loss statistic on their board, they make a mistake, because they count only their own losses, but shared kills twice.
It's like, if 5 players of my corp would team up with 40 others, then we get 10 involvments, before our whole fleet dies horribly. We would still have a kill-loss-ratio of 10:5 = 2:1, although we wouldn't have killed any more than the rest of the fleet and just died like everyone else.

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Fow such cases we both have special fleet battle debriefing feature.
Unfortunately this requires a lot of additional work of killmails copying. But anyway...

Linkage
I suspect link will die in a horrible way though...

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Originally by: Komolov

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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Nevertheless, if two alliances form a fleet and both make a kill:loss statistic on their board, they make a mistake, because they count only their own losses, but shared kills twice.
It's like, if 5 players of my corp would team up with 40 others, then we get 10 involvments, before our whole fleet dies horribly. We would still have a kill-loss-ratio of 10:5 = 2:1, although we wouldn't have killed any more than the rest of the fleet and just died like everyone else.

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Fow such cases we both have special fleet battle debriefing feature.
Unfortunately this requires a lot of additional work of killmails copying. But anyway...

Linkage
I suspect link will die in a horrible way though...

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Originally by: Necronomicon

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The whole argument about killboard stats is pointless.

KIA use and have used for some time the stats from killboards.net

If we are in a mixed gang, and a kill is made, REGARDLESS of who laid the final blow; every single pilot contributed to that kill. It could be fair to say that the one pilot from a sole corp was the only one scrambling, and without him, the target would get away. Without being there, you cannot say.

Regardless, we know that when we are on a mixed patrol that our team members who are not in corp sometimes get popped. And in this instance, it brings a tear to my eye when they do die to hostile fire as they are a great bunch of guys. That aside, their loss is not our concern and do not reflect our contract statistics. It is their choice to fly with us, and ours to fly with them; choice, not requirement of contract.

On a side note, it really is a shame about the local smack from V/LV pilots, you know KIA's stance on local chat, all you do is make us more determined to kill more of you.

A few more days to go on the contract, let's make them smack free, and full of good fights. Tally Ho!!!

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Originally by: Necronomicon

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Consider this, since I last posted, we have killed 11 of your allied ships (+ 6 pods) to 2 ship losses. losses, and we aint even warmed up yet ;)

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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But the problem is, that you get only single fleet battles accurate this way, but not the overall performance of your alliance over weeks or months, because you count only alliance losses, but all kills, not matter if the kill was made by your alliance or if only one alliance pilot is on the mail and 40 others.

Lets assume....

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Originally by: Raste

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Originally by: Necronomicon

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Consider this, since I last posted, we have killed 11 of your allied ships (+ 6 pods) to 2 ship losses. losses, and we aint even warmed up yet ;)

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Neat, we've killed 27 of your allied ships + 5 pods (most of your allies log their pods) since the post you refer to. :)

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Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I

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Impressive komolov :) By solo, however, do you count liten too?

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Originally by: Necronomicon

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Originally by: Raste

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Originally by: Necronomicon

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Consider this, since I last posted, we have killed 11 of your allied ships (+ 6 pods) to 2 ship losses. losses, and we aint even warmed up yet ;)

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Neat, we've killed 27 of your allied ships + 5 pods (most of your allies log their pods) since the post you refer to. :)

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The difference is, OUR clients dont count on OUR contracts as WE are MERCS. Your ALLIES and GUESTS of YOUR space do count as LEGITIMATE targets to our CLIENT.

You seem to be unable to grasp the fact that we are the mercs, you are the contract, other ppl are the clients, and we dont add non contract targets into our kill/loss equations.

This is not our war, this is our job. You can cry into your cornflakes all you want, but as far as our contract stats are concerned, our allied losses are none of our concern. If an allied pilot loses his ship/pod whilst under the command of a KIA FC, then it is an internal matter for Allied HC/KIA HC to discuss and none of your business.

I am really looking forward to the post contract analysis on this one. I was unfortunately not involved in the most part. But YOUR SMACK ALONE Raste has turned my gut, I really do hate petty behaviour.

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Originally by: Necronomicon

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Raste, we (KIA) ARE beating you (LV+V+Recognized LV/V allies)

It is down to contract expectation.

If a client asks us to shoot you and your friends, then that is what we do. If you cannot communicate to Chimera Pact Miners not to be mining when we jump into system, then that is their misfortune.....I dont see why this is not making sense :(

You have space, you have an obligation to your allies to protect them from foreign influences. WE are those influences, and will take advantage of any shortcomings in your territorial game plans.

We are not your enemy in the strictest terms, if you had employed us, then you would be reading somebody elses whines as to stats and tactics.....

But you didn't, so you are stuck with this... KIA were employed to roll you in flour and find the wet spot, and we have done so.

Fat Lady singing? I think I hear a Violin....

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Originally by: Necronomicon

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Feel and Know are a world apart.

I was once told not to stoop to the level of idiots as they will only beat you with experience, I now know how important this advice was...

Necro out.

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Originally by: Necronomicon

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Raste, we (KIA) ARE chestbeating you (LV+V+Recognized LV/V allies)

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Originally by: Necronomicon

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Raste, we (KIA) ARE beating you (LV+V+Recognized LV/V allies)

It is down to contract expectation.

If a client asks us to shoot you and your friends, then that is what we do. If you cannot communicate to Chimera Pact Miners not to be mining when we jump into system, then that is their misfortune.....I dont see why this is not making sense :(

You have space, you have an obligation to your allies to protect them from foreign influences. WE are those influences, and will take advantage of any shortcomings in your territorial game plans.

We are not your enemy in the strictest terms, if you had employed us, then you would be reading somebody elses whines as to stats and tactics.....

But you didn't, so you are stuck with this... KIA were employed to roll you in flour and find the wet spot, and we have done so.

Fat Lady singing? I think I hear a Violin....

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Tbh KIA, if we fought as hard in game as we do on these forums.... we might just be able to win this war.

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Quote:

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Raste, we (KIA) ARE beating you (LV+V+Recognized LV/V allies)

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You have space, you have an obligation to your allies to protect them from foreign influences.

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Originally by: Zhike Jonze

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Tbh KIA, if we fought as hard in game as we do on these forums.... we might just be able to win this war.

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Fixed it for you :)

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Originally by: Tjakka

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Originally by: Zhike Jonze

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Tbh KIA, if we fought as hard in game as we do on these forums.... we might just be able to win this war.

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Fixed it for you :)

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i feel hurt now :(
if you kill as many kia pilots as you post you might have a better k/d ratio

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 21/11/2006 14:33:56
Show me a Merc Corp that posts figures, or even an alliance that posts figures, that doesnt include kills that they are not necessarily the Final Blow on, and I'll bare my arse and run round bournemouth high street with a pair of Shin Ras stockings on my head singing comma comma comma comelian. (spelling?)

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Our intention was to look like morons on the forums. Here are some numbers I made up. I would also like to pretend we blew up LV pos's today. We're about to be out of work but umm, we've had a lot of offers...or something.

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 22/11/2006 23:53:08
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 22/11/2006 23:52:15
hmmm

Tonight i have had 2 substantial offers for work.

This week alone i have turned down several other offers.

YOu think anyone looking at this thread and the others belives your incredulous, KIA are doing nothing to us. OUr cap ships have been out 15+ times over this contract, we had 10 in the gang that destporoyed 2 more of your large pos tonight and enabled Goons to erect a large pos in its place, futher threatening your sov in taht system.

Yes KIA has been active on the forums, of course we knew that would caurse your to bite. It worked, you did and its been a nice to be involved in this pseudo political warfare.

We do have good relationship with the goons, we intend on taht staying. I truly belive that you will not win this war, unless you get major help, but time will tell.

The ganking (primary PvP) was an optional extra. We have scored over 400 kills (17% of those kills had more people from other corporations on the killmail than KIA pilots, and dmn you for making me order someone to gather that stat ;)), we lost about 50. Over 5 bilion damage caused, about 900 million lost.

We like to fight, we dont use stabs and risk free tactics, so we lose ships. We accept that and its part of who we are.

Our employer has loved us this contract, much like virtually every other employer we have ever had. We were payed in full with a bonus, and they would love us to stay on for another few weeks, we need a break though, 6 straight weeks of contract work... we need some strippers and a few beers.

The more you shout n whine about us, the more its obvious to those wtaching that yor forum war on our reputation is a clear sign you dont like us being here. We do our job, we never miss our goals. Hence the reason we are paid so well.

Thx for the 4 weeks of fun, over 20 pos destropyed, plenty of kills when we wanted them, the occasional fun skirmish, and a lot of blob avoiding!

As someone rightly said, we have only seen 4 weeks of this conflict, and maybe its peaks n troughs. Either way KIA will watch on in interest as we move on to our next mark and "job", and ee how it looks another 4 weeks down the road.

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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This week alone i have turned down several other offers

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Originally by: KeepItSimple

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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This week alone i have turned down several other offers

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One of them was an offer from me for a mining job

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 22/11/2006 23:53:08
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 22/11/2006 23:52:15
hmmm

Tonight i have had 2 substantial offers for work.

This week alone i have turned down several other offers.

YOu think anyone looking at this thread and the others belives your incredulous, KIA are doing nothing to us. OUr cap ships have been out 15+ times over this contract, we had 10 in the gang that destporoyed 2 more of your large pos tonight and enabled Goons to erect a large pos in its place, futher threatening your sov in taht system.

Yes KIA has been active on the forums, of course we knew that would caurse your to bite. It worked, you did and its been a nice to be involved in this pseudo political warfare.

We do have good relationship with the goons, we intend on taht staying. I truly belive that you will not win this war, unless you get major help, but time will tell.

The ganking (primary PvP) was an optional extra. We have scored over 400 kills (17% of those kills had more people from other corporations on the killmail than KIA pilots, and dmn you for making me order someone to gather that stat ;)), we lost about 50. Over 5 bilion damage caused, about 900 million lost.

We like to fight, we dont use stabs and risk free tactics, so we lose ships. We accept that and its part of who we are.

Our employer has loved us this contract, much like virtually every other employer we have ever had. We were payed in full with a bonus, and they would love us to stay on for another few weeks, we need a break though, 6 straight weeks of contract work... we need some strippers and a few beers.

The more you shout n whine about us, the more its obvious to those wtaching that yor forum war on our reputation is a clear sign you dont like us being here. We do our job, we never miss our goals. Hence the reason we are paid so well.

Thx for the 4 weeks of fun, over 20 pos destropyed, plenty of kills when we wanted them, the occasional fun skirmish, and a lot of blob avoiding!

As someone rightly said, we have only seen 4 weeks of this conflict, and maybe its peaks n troughs. Either way KIA will watch on in interest as we move on to our next mark and "job", and ee how it looks another 4 weeks down the road.

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 22/11/2006 23:53:08
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 22/11/2006 23:52:15
hmmm

Tonight i have had 2 substantial offers for work.

This week alone i have turned down several other offers.

YOu think anyone looking at this thread and the others belives your incredulous, KIA are doing nothing to us. OUr cap ships have been out 15+ times over this contract, we had 10 in the gang that destporoyed 2 more of your large pos tonight and enabled Goons to erect a large pos in its place, futher threatening your sov in taht system.

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Originally by: arkarsk

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Edited by: arkarsk on 30/11/2006 19:35:12
Was just evesearching my name because im an anti social introverted reject with nothing better to do, and I noticed this:


"Its goonfleet ex-member and cheerleader Arkarsk." - Raste of LV

He was referring to alt : arkz67


The fact that this alt shares the first 3 letters of my evename doesnt make it mine. Furthermore, why the hell would I post with an alt unless I wanted to be completely anonymous - dont think i would ever make an alt named 'thisisarkarsk!'.

Oh, and I have no need to post with an alt - raste, you make me feel a sensation best left for the bedroom.

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Originally by: Burzhuj

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Just look at the number of LV posts here I always knew that LV have one of the strongest forum warriors team

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Originally by: Burzhuj

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Just look at the number of LV posts here I always knew that LV have one of the strongest forum warriors team

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Originally by: Loka

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Originally by: Burzhuj

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Just look at the number of LV posts here I always knew that LV have one of the strongest forum warriors team

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we just speak more than F1-F8, wer are very civilized :P

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LV dude > you seem cool
LV dude > well at least semi inteligent

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Originally by: Komolov

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Originally by: Loka

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Originally by: Burzhuj

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Just look at the number of LV posts here I always knew that LV have one of the strongest forum warriors team

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we just speak more than F1-F8, wer are very civilized :P

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Reminds me of

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LV dude > you seem cool
LV dude > well at least semi inteligent

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LV negotiators ftw

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Originally by: Crellion

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<3

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Originally by: MarKand

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Edited by: MarKand on 03/12/2006 23:52:34
Its manlove time Komolov, those plates wont help. :)
/M

Pew-pew

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