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C4rnag3 Caldari SynchronizerZ	Posted - 2006.11.21 13:30:00 - [1] logged yesterday on SISI and i saw some new stuff: cmon CCP, this is really kinda "Teletubbie n00b stuff" whats cummin next? green 1 dot and red 2 dot scrambler? maybee a pink 90% and violet 80% webber etc? in my opinion we have to know, where wich jammer we have fitted. plz dont make this retail. u can do this better! if u really have to do this, change this in another type of coloration. maybee with a small "colored" dot in the middle. but not these "teletubbie stuff" carn.
MOS DEF Devils Rejects	Posted - 2006.11.21 13:32:00 - [2] Allthough i agree that the colors suck kinda i do think that it is a nice change.
Tanya Kovacs SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.11.21 13:37:00 - [3] Edited by: Tanya Kovacs on 21/11/2006 13:37:53 Tbh I really like the intention behind this. Atm, if you are in a ECM-boat you really have to know where you placed which kind of jammer because all looks like the same, so this would be kinda helpfull. But the current result is... well next try. -- All my postings reflects just my personal opinion and my lacking knowledge of proper english. There is no lag in EVE \o/
Xerpex Ars Caelestis	Posted - 2006.11.21 13:41:00 - [4] I like it. Good change.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.21 13:49:00 - [5] Awesome, no more show infoing to see which jammers does what ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]

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Shayla Sh'inlux Gallente The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.11.21 14:10:00 - [7] If I'm guessing right that it's Caldari - Minmatar - Gallente - Amarr from left to right the colors are spot on. I kinda like it although the mods look a bit childish now. Can we now also finally get our red speed bars when we get warp scrambled? Originally by: "Cy4n1d3" You can't PVP with 4 mids.
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.21 14:12:00 - [8] I like it. ---
Mr Fringle	Posted - 2006.11.21 14:27:00 - [9] Originally by: C4rnag3 logged yesterday on SISI and i saw some new stuff: cmon CCP, this is really kinda "Teletubbie n00b stuff" whats cummin next? green 1 dot and red 2 dot scrambler? maybee a pink 90% and violet 80% webber etc? in my opinion we have to know, where wich jammer we have fitted. plz dont make this retail. u can do this better! if u really have to do this, change this in another type of coloration. maybee with a small "colored" dot in the middle. but not these "teletubbie stuff" carn. Reduce your contrast and gamma on your screen, its too high.
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 14:29:00 - [10] That's a really useful change. I usually have to write down my jammer races on a bit of paper and stick it to my monitor because I can never remember what one jams which race.

Amira Silvermist Yazata Spenta Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.11.21 14:56:00 - [11] Good change! The Op sounds like the people that proclaim that "real man code with VI" or "Consoles are the best way to use a computer, graphical user interfaces are like children books: They are just for kids." and other crap like that... Amarr racial trait: Nerfbat damage resistance 0%
U Fester Amarr dante's enterprises	Posted - 2006.11.21 15:47:00 - [12] ....ummmm what about those who are extremely color blind.... and yes I do mean me
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.21 16:02:00 - [13] GOOD! The major reason I don't fit racial jammers is because I dislike having to try and mess around figuring out which is which. At the moment I've resorted to sorting them alphabetically, which works up until I accidentally 'reshuffle' the modules by dragging them. Much needed, in some form at least :)
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 16:04:00 - [14] Sounds like a good change to me. I mean the mods don't exaxctly look manly, but they're not awful. And function > looks everytime- and my word does that have some function -----------------------------------------------
Flock'O Seagulls Gallente Eye of the Abyss	Posted - 2006.11.21 16:11:00 - [15] Kick rad, and I have to say FINALLY! ... We have to create the problem that the customer will want to solve.
C4rnag3 Caldari SynchronizerZ	Posted - 2006.11.21 16:17:00 - [16] for sure its a helpful change, but it looks terrible. i think, CCP could make a colored dot in the middle. carn.
St Dragon Blood Association of Dragons	Posted - 2006.11.21 16:37:00 - [17] I aprove of this change. ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
cy4n1d3	Posted - 2006.11.21 16:39:00 - [18] Originally by: C4rnag3 logged yesterday on SISI and i saw some new stuff: cmon CCP, this is really kinda "Teletubbie n00b stuff" whats cummin next? green 1 dot and red 2 dot scrambler? maybee a pink 90% and violet 80% webber etc? in my opinion we have to know, where wich jammer we have fitted. plz dont make this retail. u can do this better! if u really have to do this, change this in another type of coloration. maybee with a small "colored" dot in the middle. but not these "teletubbie stuff" carn. God ****, quit whining, the Devs have more important things to do than worry about coloration schemes.
Uriel Garnach	Posted - 2006.11.21 16:41:00 - [19] Seriously it makes me feel ill. You might as well name them anti-minmatar anti-caldari anti-amarr... it would be just as silly and not make me nauceous. If you are going to be a EW pilot your are going to have to learn how to set them up anyway. Dammit ;)
Backalley Anna Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.21 16:48:00 - [20] um, can the Gallente come in periwinkle blue? bah like there aren't more important things to worry about. I like the color addition. "Everything is theoretically impossible, until it is done." R.A. Heinlein

Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:04:00 - [21] I hope this gets carried over to hardeners.
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:10:00 - [22] Would you guys PLEASE get serious about paying attention to the 8 to 10 percent of your customers who have some degree of color vision impairment? Yes, it's nearly 10 percent of your player base. When color is a critical part of your interface, it's ESSENTIAL that you choose colors that are high-contrast to folks with moderate color vision problems. (The profoundly color blind are harder to help, but the common red-green deficiency is easy to work around, if you care.) I'm gathering there are supposed to be four colors shown above, but to me, it's only two. It's bad enough that the only way to tell if a secure can is anchored is by looking at beacon lights that flash red or green (the two colors most difficult for the color vision impaired). Please don't keep building this problem into your interface! Thank you.
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:12:00 - [23] Coloring the jammers is nber cool - Thumbs up!! colors is always debatable... what color is multispectral (or don't they have color in hopes of people not using them?)
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Marlenus Would you guys PLEASE get serious about paying attention to the 8 to 10 percent of your customers who have some degree of color vision impairment? Yes, it's nearly 10 percent of your player base. When color is a critical part of your interface, it's ESSENTIAL that you choose colors that are high-contrast to folks with moderate color vision problems. (The profoundly color blind are harder to help, but the common red-green deficiency is easy to work around, if you care.) I'm gathering there are supposed to be four colors shown above, but to me, it's only two. It's bad enough that the only way to tell if a secure can is anchored is by looking at beacon lights that flash red or green (the two colors most difficult for the color vision impaired). Please don't keep building this problem into your interface! Thank you. Quote for emphasis. As a comparison for me there's 3 colors, first and third being the same but if I pinch a bit, I can see the difference. I can clearly see why the second and fourth could be mixed, the second isn't simply red enough to emphasis the difference between itself and the yellowish(wait, is it orange?) set.
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:29:00 - [25] It's an absotely fab change. However... Any chance we can get the Gallente jammers changed to green as "light blue" and "dark blue" will be hard to see on some crappy monitors. I don't really care what shade of green Other than that, \o/ _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:38:00 - [26] Its pretty I like it. I always have a hard time surfing thought the 100's of EMC to find the racial on that is the best. That should cut my time by 25% thanks!!!
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:49:00 - [27] I love the change!
ChronoLynx Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.11.21 18:15:00 - [28] Pretty colours are a nice change, I hate having to make sticky-notes for my monitor to tell me the order in which I stuck the jammers in my ship, and even worse I hate remaking them when I refit the ship. This Idear is AWSOME! Elitest Carebear with Fangs and Claws
Ed Gein Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.21 18:18:00 - [29] Honestly, you guys will complain about anything.. -------------------------------------------------------------- What do you call the person that brings a gun to a knife fight? The Winner.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.11.21 18:19:00 - [30] Edited by: keepiru on 21/11/2006 18:19:00 Originally by: Old Geeza Any chance we can get the Gallente jammers changed to green as "light blue" and "dark blue" will be hard to see on some crappy monitors. I don't really care what shade of green I think you should Bugreport that. I'm serious, its a usability issue and therefore a "bug" with the intended function of colour differentiation. Not everyone has uber, well-caled screens, so since this change is directed at making jammers easier to differentiate in combat situations, it ought to be changed to some shade of green. ---------------- Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it!

Shayla Sh'inlux Gallente The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.11.21 19:21:00 - [31] Quote: Would you guys PLEASE get serious about paying attention to the 8 to 10 percent of your customers who have some degree of color vision impairment? Yes, it's nearly 10 percent of your player base. When color is a critical part of your interface, it's ESSENTIAL that you choose colors that are high-contrast to folks with moderate color vision problems. (The profoundly color blind are harder to help, but the common red-green deficiency is easy to work around, if you care.) Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but since they all look pretty much the same now (some are even identical) why can't you just remember the order, show info or post-it on your monitor like you do now? Originally by: "Cy4n1d3" You can't PVP with 4 mids.
U Fester Amarr dante's enterprises	Posted - 2006.11.21 21:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Uriel Garnach Seriously it makes me feel ill. You might as well name them anti-minmatar anti-caldari anti-amarr... it would be just as silly and not make me nauceous. If you are going to be a EW pilot your are going to have to learn how to set them up anyway. Dammit ;) Is there any likelihood of them adding a symbol to help distinguish between the four? To me they are all the same color and there isn't much of a difference from the last of just the symbol.
Flaming sambuka Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.21 21:33:00 - [33] ROFL, IS THIS A JOKE? SERIOUSLY, A JOKE? Trinity Nova Mercenary Services
Gnobe F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.11.21 21:39:00 - [34] Freakin' awesome, love it lol. -Gnobe ___
kbullet Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.21 21:52:00 - [35] that's quite useful! it is kinda annoying to differ which racial is which atm, i have to move it around mid/low/high configuration, but this is cool! thanks ccp p.s. stop whining
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.21 21:54:00 - [36] I just love this change! looks awesome, although I would change the Caldari color into grey.. it fits their personality! ------------------ Its great not being an Amarr, aint it? Save Tranquility!
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.21 21:56:00 - [37] I personally feel that it look sbloody awful. It really is dumbing down Eve to cater for lazy pilots but in a way that detracts from the game. I appreciate that many people will see this as a good move but i would offer an alternative auggestion that might be more acceptable to people without the need for the awful colours. Re-do the icons for jammers. Have maybe the multispecs have same symbol as now, then the racials could have a diff shaped centre to the icon so instead of the circle you could have a diamond, a triangle a star etc. Just a thought. To me that would be more acceptable whilst still helping the ew pilots that can't be bothered to remember what they fitted on their ships. Click here to visit our site
Tunajuice	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:25:00 - [38] Good change, if you don't like it play in black and white. it's obviously a poor UI if you would need to mouse-over an icon to tell it apart from the next icon. Any first year computer programmer could tell you that.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Viqer Fell I personally feel that it look sbloody awful. It really is dumbing down Eve to cater for lazy pilots but in a way that detracts from the game. I appreciate that many people will see this as a good move but i would offer an alternative auggestion that might be more acceptable to people without the need for the awful colours. Re-do the icons for jammers. Have maybe the multispecs have same symbol as now, then the racials could have a diff shaped centre to the icon so instead of the circle you could have a diamond, a triangle a star etc. Just a thought. To me that would be more acceptable whilst still helping the ew pilots that can't be bothered to remember what they fitted on their ships. Disable colors on your monitor and STFU.
Krist Valentine Amarr Freelancing Opportunists	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Tanya Kovacs Edited by: Tanya Kovacs on 21/11/2006 13:37:53 Tbh I really like the intention behind this. Atm, if you are in a ECM-boat you really have to know where you placed which kind of jammer because all looks like the same, so this would be kinda helpfull. But the current result is... well next try. QFT. There's nothing wrong with being more user-friendly, nobody likes an elitist. - - - - - ISD r teh pwn -- Oh yeah? Come back here and be a man, whoever modified that! I have my duelling glove!

Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:08:00 - [41] How do colorblind people like this ?
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:18:00 - [42] The ability to know at a glance which jammers are which incase you're not someone who memorizies the setup 24/7? Sounds good to me, altho the colors are a bit bright. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Ghitza Backup Squad	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:45:00 - [43] What about blueprints? Will we ever know which one is BPC and which one is BPO without checking sometimes x of them? Anyway i have this feling that this game is faling down to serve carebears and total noobs... but its more $ for CCP sooo...
Statics A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.11.22 01:35:00 - [44] This is retarded. Real ECM pilots should know what jammers do what. Change the icons maybe, but don't color-code the things. Why even have racial stats like "ladar", "radar", "grav", etc.? Just make it, "Gallente use t3h GREEN sensors, Caldari use t3h BLUE sensor technologies!" Paint by numbers for the short bus crowd. Weak sauce. It doesn't matter anyways as ECM has already been nerfed to uselessness (i'm even referring to the dedicated ships). Thanks! ----------
agent apple Syndicate Of Shadows	Posted - 2006.11.22 01:45:00 - [45] Well I suppose thats one way to reduce the use of ECM
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:04:00 - [46] The EVE forum community has reached a new low- whining about the colour of module icons. Can you say "cornflour blue"? Seriously, what are we, middle aged women?! All it has done is streamlined the UI- if you're too leet to appreciate this ("1 b007 EVE thru Command Prompt! 1m a r33l m4n!") then turn off your colours. EVEs UI needs all the streamlining it can get.......... -----------------------------------------------
Flesh Eater	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:18:00 - [47] WTF? Whiners have reached a new low. Awesome change, looks pretty good too.
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2006.11.22 05:14:00 - [48] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but since they all look pretty much the same now (some are even identical) why can't you just remember the order, show info or post-it on your monitor like you do now? I can and I will. That's not quite the point. It's easy, when designing interfaces, to choose colors that work for almost everyone. But it's rarely done. Instead, folks with normal color vision design interfaces that are broken for about ten percent of us. Because they don't know any better. That's been CCP's consistent pattern. Which means that I'm always working at a slight disadvantage to the folks who can glance at the screen and instantly see what's red and what's green, what's purple versus blue, what's orange versus what's yellow. Can I cope? Sure. Can I thrive? Sure. Is it necessary? No. It's fixable in a few minutes by CCP, just by tweaking a few color values. Which they can't do if they don't know they need to do it. This is not whining. It's usability feedback, with a bit of an edge because it's been said a lot of times in various game contexts without ever (so far as I know) an acknowledgment by CCP that they are even aware of color vision issues with their interface.
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.22 05:28:00 - [49] Originally by: C4rnag3 logged yesterday on SISI and i saw some new stuff: cmon CCP, this is really kinda "Teletubbie n00b stuff" whats cummin next? green 1 dot and red 2 dot scrambler? maybee a pink 90% and violet 80% webber etc? in my opinion we have to know, where wich jammer we have fitted. plz dont make this retail. u can do this better! if u really have to do this, change this in another type of coloration. maybee with a small "colored" dot in the middle. but not these "teletubbie stuff" carn. I really welcome the change.. Before I constantly got asked how to organize jammers and I told our pilots to fit them alphabetically Amarr first then Caldari, etc... Oh and grow up some pls, if you have a complex of associating stuff with teletubies then its most probably cause of your hidden fear of homosexaulity. But I'm no expert on this so my words are as much worth as yours! Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
Captain Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.22 05:29:00 - [50] what color is multispectral, tho? rainbow? =[ Quote: Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ

Ghitza Backup Squad	Posted - 2006.11.22 07:27:00 - [51] Originally by: Captain Raynor what color is multispectral, tho? rainbow? =[ Now thats what whiners are talking about. Anyway 95% of eve comunutity is lame (read that again). If they change scramblers/webs/hardners... better not.
Zyrla Bladestorm Minmatar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.22 09:10:00 - [52] I definetely like the idea, I'd have stuck with more muted Grey/rust brown/green/gold .. but thats just me . ----- It's great being Minmatar, ain't it? Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Highway Scout	Posted - 2006.11.22 10:56:00 - [53] Isnt it rich that the op complains about "childish colors" then has numbers in his name like every l33tzor teenager out there?
U Fester Amarr dante's enterprises	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:10:00 - [54] Originally by: Sirial Soulfly How do colorblind people like this ? They are all the same color for me. I don't mind color coating the symbols beause it will help out people, but something like an Ammar Sybmol... or an big A would help out just as well. I am all for helping improving the game and this will help so I can't complain there, but I can hope they add a symbol as well
Uggster Caldari Never'where	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:23:00 - [55] Originally by: Statics This is retarded. Real ECM pilots should know what jammers do what. Change the icons maybe, but don't color-code the things. Why even have racial stats like "ladar", "radar", "grav", etc.? Just make it, "Gallente use t3h GREEN sensors, Caldari use t3h BLUE sensor technologies!" Paint by numbers for the short bus crowd. Weak sauce. It doesn't matter anyways as ECM has already been nerfed to uselessness (i'm even referring to the dedicated ships). Thanks! eah I agree and while your at it CCP take away information from turret show infos like tracking speed and RoF and such like, real gunners should know thier weapons instinctivly. And while your at it remove the scanner, real pilots should be able to sniff out thier pray like bloodhounds. Oh and while your at it..... (I like colours) _______________________________________________ Sig removed as inappropriate- Tirg Story of my life that one :(
Danalog STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:25:00 - [56] Originally by: Marlenus It's bad enough that the only way to tell if a secure can is anchored is by looking at beacon lights that flash red or green (the two colors most difficult for the color vision impaired). Please don't keep building this problem into your interface! !!! I've been playing for over a year, and I never knew there was supposed to be a way to tell if cans are anchored if they don't belong to you. Hooray for color blindness =(
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:34:00 - [57] Multispectrals are most likely white. This is an aid, not a necessary distinction thingy. It's hard making up 5 different colours that's not a problem for any colour blind. That thing with the cans (by the way, isn't anchored cans distinguishable by the little ^ underneath it?) and mobile warp bubbles - should be bug reported! A possible fix could be to add a black cheese-slice (don't know the English term for it) on top (Amarr, high nosed bastards), right (Caldari, fascist scum), bottom (Minmatar, underdogs) and left (Gallente, liberalist weirdoes) - EVE is sick.
C4rnag3 Caldari SynchronizerZ	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:47:00 - [58] Originally by: Statics This is retarded. Real ECM pilots should know what jammers do what. Change the icons maybe, but don't color-code the things. totally agree...
Kazuo Ishiguro Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.11.22 18:54:00 - [59] Radical proposal- make various colours of icons available and let people choose which ones they want to use? ---------- An idea for helping people to appreciate ECCM
Captain Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.22 19:24:00 - [60] if theyre going to do this they should at leas make a new jammer icon that jammer icon has always been a pixelated mess tbh Quote: Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ

xPreatorianx Caldari Immortalis Silens Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.11.22 19:37:00 - [61] Why are you guys ***ing about colors it looks great. Why would u whine about this? God be **en happy for once!
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2006.11.22 20:13:00 - [62] Originally by: Tuxford This was brought up at a dev chat after we changed the icon for multis to be the same as for racial jammers. Having different colored icons was really simple to use and very useful for non colorblind people. It'd be useful for the mildly color-vision-impaired people, too, if you'd just choose colors with slightly higher contrast. Please?
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.22 20:16:00 - [63] I'm all for having them slightly differentiated, but those colors are garish and don't fit into the Eve UI. Slightly different icons would be best: fits into the UI style, and it doesn't matter how colorblind you are, you know the difference I can knock up some icons in MSpaint if you can't spare the guys to do it Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2006.11.22 20:26:00 - [64] Originally by: Ithildin By the way, isn't anchored cans distinguishable by the little ^ underneath it? That's only if you own the cans. Secure cans owned by others have only a navigation beacon to indicate whether or not they are anchored. Originally by: Danalog !!! I've been playing for over a year, and I never knew there was supposed to be a way to tell if cans are anchored if they don't belong to you. Hooray for color blindness =( Danalog, I feel your pain; it was a month before I found out about the nav beacons. And, at my level of color vision impairment, I can't use them. For me, the "red" light looks like a dim grey light; the "green" light is the same color, but brighter/whiter. I generally have to look at two in rapid succession to see if there's a difference, I'm never sure when looking at a single can. There is a trick that I've figured out that can help. Apparently when you are looking at a set of cans from a distance where you're seeing the yellow diamond icons instead of the graphic with the nav beacon, there's a one pixel dot in the middle of the cans in the color of the beacon -- "red" or "green". My red impairment is worse than my green impairment, so this pixel is invisible. The green pixel is merely very hard to see. So if I zoom out until a group of cans is centered on my screen, and then position the camera to put the group against the darkest part of the sky, I can sometimes spot unanchored cans by a one-pixed dot visible in the center of the diamond icon. It's worth a try.
TimR	Posted - 2006.11.22 20:48:00 - [65] Ammunition in turrets is colour coded - why not jammers?
Shiraz Merlot Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 20:57:00 - [66] Originally by: Krist Valentine Originally by: Tanya Kovacs Edited by: Tanya Kovacs on 21/11/2006 13:37:53 Tbh I really like the intention behind this. Atm, if you are in a ECM-boat you really have to know where you placed which kind of jammer because all looks like the same, so this would be kinda helpfull. But the current result is... well next try. QFT. There's nothing wrong with being more user-friendly, nobody likes an elitist. I like elitists. A lot of them are cluey people who get stuff done. As to this change, it won't make any difference to me - I was already laying out the ECM buttons alphabetically. /sm
GrumpyCat	Posted - 2006.11.22 21:20:00 - [67] Color is good idea. But they really need to fix the names for racial ecms. Standardize it, forexample top named racials should all be called "hypnos", foreexample "hypnos whitenoise jammer" or whatever.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.11.22 21:43:00 - [68] Originally by: C4rnag3 Originally by: Statics This is retarded. Real ECM pilots should know what jammers do what. Change the icons maybe, but don't color-code the things. totally agree... You can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you cant please forum whiners NO MATTER WHAT you try to do logical move ccp, saves ppl that extra second in combat they may need. Color blind? Not being an arse... but why dont you do whatever you did BEFORE they were color coded???!!!
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2006.11.22 23:35:00 - [69] Edited by: Marlenus on 22/11/2006 23:37:29 Er, you're missing the point. Of course we'll keep doing what we've been doing. But if CCP is going to put color coding in the game so that other players can see this stuff "at a glance", is it really so unreasonable to ask that the colors be chosen with care, so that we can enjoy the same convenience? In a perfect world, interfaces evolve TOWARD accessibility, not away from it. There's nothing wrong with saying "Hey!" when CCP takes a step in the wrong direction, especially one they could fix by changing a few color values in a new code feature.
cy4n1d3	Posted - 2006.11.23 02:36:00 - [70] Gee, maybe you could just REMEMBER which order your jammers are in, you ******* retards.

HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.11.23 03:57:00 - [71] Edited by: HankMurphy on 23/11/2006 03:57:24 Originally by: Marlenus Edited by: Marlenus on 22/11/2006 23:37:29 Er, you're missing the point. Of course we'll keep doing what we've been doing. But if CCP is going to put color coding in the game so that other players can see this stuff "at a glance", is it really so unreasonable to ask that the colors be chosen with care, so that we can enjoy the same convenience? In a perfect world, interfaces evolve TOWARD accessibility, not away from it. There's nothing wrong with saying "Hey!" when CCP takes a step in the wrong direction, especially one they could fix by changing a few color values in a new code feature. no, i got what you were saying. i was more commenting on those a$s clowns and just kinda threw in that comment. I dont think there is any argument that can be made against making the game MORE accessable to ppl, but engineering towards ppl being color blind can be very difficult in a video game.( i would guess, i really have no frackin clue) I'm sure they will add it to their list of things to do and research possible solutions to some of the graphics. I remember a college buddy that was very color blind. He was an absolute ace at just about any video game, had 20/20 vision and often his vision seemed more accute than most others.... but then there were the few times when i would point at the screen and say "wtf?" and he would look at me and say "ya see, i cant see that" would a universal filter on the graphics to replace one color w/ another work? like all red with brown and all green with blue? hearing ppl talk about it, i have to wonder there is probly alot of $$$ out there if one could engineer a device to assist color blind ppl on any video game/interactive software. computer or console....
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.11.23 05:17:00 - [72] /me likes the pretty colours MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.11.23 06:03:00 - [73] I just spamm every jammer I have on my ship anyway.
Running Mann	Posted - 2006.11.23 06:58:00 - [74] Stepping in to say this is a good change that I entirely endorse.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.23 07:35:00 - [75] Originally by: Tuxford This was brought up at a dev chat after we changed the icon for multis to be the same as for racial jammers. Having different colored icons was really simple to use and very useful for non colorblind people. Yes. This change rocks. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Sable Moran Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:40:00 - [76] Originally by: Amira Silvermist "real man code with VI" Real men _do_ code with vi, it's so much easier when the editor obeys the user and not the other way around. ----- Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene 5, Moon 4, Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Ammo at affordable prices.
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:16:00 - [77] The idea about colored jammers for a fast identification is really good. Even though, I think it is too much to color the whole jammer icon. As some people already said, it just doesnt fit the UI and makes the jammers look a bit Tele-Tubby styled I think it would be better to stay with the old jammer designs with a slight adjust to the red cross which is within those jammers:
Commoner Caldari Emergent Chaos The Core Collective	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:34:00 - [78] Make the gallente jammers Green instead...much better fit
Hertford Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:35:00 - [79] Even simpler: put a tiny, bold, capital letter in the bottom right corner of the ECM slot graphic. "A", "C", "G", or "M".
Ysolde Xen Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:39:00 - [80] (Heartily SICK of multiple attempts to make a single comment. When will these forums get fixed FFS!?) Other than a slight change in colour contrast, I think this idea is great. If being able to tell what you have on your ship is so lame, then let's do away with the distinguishing ammo/missile icons as well. Or heck, how about the whole lot and have generic '1st Hi, 3rd Lo' buttons ont he interface. Any real pilot should know exactly what is fitted where, after all ----- It's not a crap ship, you're just flying it all wrong.

Maeliko	Posted - 2006.11.23 14:35:00 - [81] Originally by: Jiekon it rocks It sux! You guys realy start to make the game much to easy. It kind of feels like giving a 3 year old a machine gun whith a "soft tuch trigger"
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:12:00 - [82] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Viqer Fell I personally feel that it look sbloody awful. It really is dumbing down Eve to cater for lazy pilots but in a way that detracts from the game. I appreciate that many people will see this as a good move but i would offer an alternative auggestion that might be more acceptable to people without the need for the awful colours. Re-do the icons for jammers. Have maybe the multispecs have same symbol as now, then the racials could have a diff shaped centre to the icon so instead of the circle you could have a diamond, a triangle a star etc. Just a thought. To me that would be more acceptable whilst still helping the ew pilots that can't be bothered to remember what they fitted on their ships. Disable colors on your monitor and STFU. Thank you for your insightful and adult response. I particularly liked the way you came up with a constructive alternative and the way you produced such intelligent counterpoints to my post. Click here to visit our site
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:15:00 - [83] Originally by: Tuxford This was brought up at a dev chat after we changed the icon for multis to be the same as for racial jammers. Having different colored icons was really simple to use and very useful for non colorblind people. Tux, do you not think it would have been just as easy to change the other icons? Or at least if you are going to colour the things then please make it less "in your face" and more in line with the other modules colouring schemes Click here to visit our site
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:28:00 - [84] Originally by: Maeliko Originally by: Jiekon it rocks It sux! You guys realy start to make the game much to easy. It kind of feels like giving a 3 year old a machine gun whith a "soft tuch trigger" You have issues.... Nothing wrong with making basic UI issues clearer. Anything that lets you concentrate more on what you are doing and less on the user interface is a good thing. People complaining that this will make EW too easy are simply trying to make it look like EW is difficult to use somehow. Hookay... The implementation might need a bit of tweaking, but it's yet another step in the right direction.
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:39:00 - [85] Edited by: Marlenus on 23/11/2006 15:53:00 Originally by: HankMurphy I dont think there is any argument that can be made against making the game MORE accessable to ppl, but engineering towards ppl being color blind can be very difficult in a video game.( i would guess, i really have no frackin clue) I'm sure they will add it to their list of things to do and research possible solutions to some of the graphics. Engineering a game interface for severely color-blind people would be pretty hard, I guess -- or, at least, hard to do while preserving color schemes folks with normal color vision will enjoy. But most folks with color vision problems are only minorly impaired -- specifically, we see reds or greens at lesser intensities. All you have to do to make an interface work for us is avoid muddy colors that rely on a red or green component for distinction. Find the color-blind person in CCP's office -- I guarantee there is at least one. See if he can distinguish the icons. Tweak until he can. Simple. Originally by: HankMurphy would a universal filter on the graphics to replace one color w/ another work? like all red with brown and all green with blue? hearing ppl talk about it, i have to wonder there is probly alot of $$$ out there if one could engineer a device to assist color blind ppl on any video game/interactive software. computer or console.... The icons reside in the client; all CCP would have to do is put them in a file somewhere so folks could tweak their own. Then we color-blind folks could swap custom icon sets to our heart's content -- I, myself, would want some customized with racial initials. Client customization is good. I remember vividly when Sid Meir's Alpha Centauri came out; the alien world colors were horrible for color vision impaired folk because of a muddy red-green tileset. It was impossible to see anything. Until you went to their website and downloaded the alternative high-contrast tileset they made for the ten percent of their customers who needed it. That was still ugly, but it was high-contrast and very functional. That's the sort of attention to interface accessibility CCP should be striving for. Not Tuxford's blithe "very useful for non-colorblind people" slap in the face. If it were HARD to make it work for everybody, I'd understand. But it's not. Edited: I just realized that I crossed the line with that "slap in the face" forum-whiner lingo. Tuxford, if you read this, I apologize. What I meant was that the line was needlessly dismissive. But I know you're working your fingers to the bone right now and participating on the forums too, which you don't have to do. We appreciate the participation, and I'm going to hope you were just focused on the other part of the debate (responding to the "colors? colors are for *** little kids" idiots) rather than brushing aside the color vision concerns as it first struck me you might be.
Sharies Gallente GalacTECH Unlimited	Posted - 2006.11.24 00:52:00 - [86] Edited by: Sharies on 24/11/2006 00:52:51 Along with the new colored icons is it possible you could make it so when you activate them and thier glowing green the the green dissappears like a a piechart counting down to represent how much time till the next cycle could come in handy to let you know the cycle time of all your modules. http://miniprofile.xfire.com/bg/sf/type/2/moonshade.png
Pham Sirge VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.24 03:07:00 - [87] Hi all, As part of my computer science degree we studied Interface design and while I think it was largely a huge waste of time it did make apparent some parts of the eve UI are poorly designed and guess what ... The same icon representing diffrent things in the same interface is a problem. For the wonderful luddite eve player: "Pilots should remember what jammer jams what" Currently we must remember: Position 1 = Gravimetric Gravimetric = Caldari Caldari = ... Insert list of caldari ships With the Icon change: Blue Icon = Gravimetric Position 1 = Gravimetric Gravimetric = Caldari Caldari = ... Insert list of caldari ships This isnÆt a drastic change... you can say "In my day" all you like it hasnÆt in any large way altered the knowledge path. We can happily change the icon it wouldnÆt alter anything we still need the same knowledge to operate the interface all we have done is change it from a positional link to a visual link. User Interfaces are supposed to user friendly, I could design interfaces with 300 buttons all labelled with text and placed in a grid... would it work? yes, It is learnable? yes, Is it a good practice? No. As for the whole VI argument, yes I could use a console text editor or I could use something that allows me to work at 3x the speed with 1/2 the effort. Programming GUI's with Java Swing (no editor, I still havenÆt seen a good generator) vs .NET(Dev studio). Oh and Linux is only free if your time is worthless. , <VTIL> Pham Sirge
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.24 06:17:00 - [88] Yay! You guys did it! :D Only thing I would suggest is that the Gallente one look a bit greener, but I'm so glad this was changed. Guristas Envoy to the South Spreading wabbity love in Curse
ArchenTheGreat Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.24 12:37:00 - [89] Originally by: Tuxford This was brought up at a dev chat after we changed the icon for multis to be the same as for racial jammers. Having different colored icons was really simple to use and very useful for non colorblind people. Idea is great but instead of colors you should differentiate them by shape (or both). They are probably stored as seperate images anyway so it shouldn't be a problem for your graphic designer.
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.24 13:50:00 - [90] Originally by: Pham Sirge Oh and Linux is only free if your time is worthless. Wow. This really made me stop in my tracks. Excellence. ---------- IBTL \o/ It's great being in ur forums mixing ur memes, ain't it?

Naal Morno ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:33:00 - [91] Edited by: Naal Morno on 24/11/2006 15:34:06 Originally by: C4rnag3 Picking on nothing If you don't like colors turn your monitor to B&W. _________________________________________ Once I thought T2 BPO Lottery is a problem... Then I've become a part of problem and I relized that previously I was just plain jealous.
Bertn Erney	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:07:00 - [92] Originally by: Jiekon it rocks /signed I dont really care what the colors are but the fact that there are colors now is awesome


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