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Pampinus Medusae
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:24:00 -
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My main char is a 3.5M SP caldari who flies gallente. I started my learning skills once I'd gotten into a T2 neutron blaster fitted thorax, at about 1.5M SP if I recall correctly. Now I've done the learning skills and I'm working towards a brutix and taranis.
The thing that amazes me is I learn about newbie characters flying around at 1M SP in brutixes, or 2M in battleships. Why do they do this? I know they feel safe in big ships but its very expensive and surely they'd be mounting crappy guns on them? I mean a small T2 neutron is as powerful as a T1 medium electron blaster with T2 ammo and advanced tracking/speed etc.
Now, be honest people. What WOULD you do if you were starting out again? It's very easy to point the finger at these guys and say they're progressing too fast, but would you be able to resist? Would you rather get into a brutix at 1M SP and do high end level 2/some level 3 missions for the cash, or would you start low?
Just interested, because I'm sure I could take a lot of these people in their Brutix's with my blasterax.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:25:00 -
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I've always gone by one motto which I've heard other people say as well.
Fly what you can afford to lose.
If they can afford to lose it, let them =P
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Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE.
Put in space whales!
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:27:00 -
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Nothing makes Jesus cry more than a 1.5 mill SP noob flying around in a Megathron.............with 250 Rails on it 
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Jason Thrawn
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Patch86
Nothing makes Jesus cry more than a 1.5 mill SP noob flying around in a Megathron.............with 250 Rails on it
Don't forget about the awsome Medium Shield Booster I!
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:34:00 -
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I am a n00b. Barely in game a month. I fly a Badger Mk II most of the time (to make money hauling and trading while my skills train).
I am just short of 400k SP.
I fly a Cormorant when I want to do combat, but I don't live very long. Then again, I can afford to lose it (sometimes I do combat in a Condor).
I've found it best not to put too much into the Badger - nothing I could put on it right now would prevent it from being ganked by an experienced player.
Maybe someday when my skill levels are higher, and I have some money on hand, I'll think about a more expensive ship.
BTW, I stopped running NPC missions after the second one. They are incredibly boring, and I make far more money trading.
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Kalvor Azrael
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kalvor Azrael on 21/11/2006 16:38:32
I've got 5M+ SP. I can fly Battleships, but I don't yet. There's a big difference between being able to fly something and being able to fly something well.
Kalvor Azrael
Tahiri Warrior
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Father Weebles
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Father Weebles on 21/11/2006 16:50:39
I never flew a brutix for pvp until i could use tech2 medium blasters, never flew a dominix for pvp until i got tech2 heavy drones, and won't fly a megathron till i can use tech2 blaster cannons (large Hybrid III, Med Blaster Spec I) so about 30 days left.
Why fly a certain ship if you cannot use it to its maximum potential?
To put experience into perspective i have 11.5 million skillpoints
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Father Weebles
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Nothing makes Jesus cry more than a 1.5 mill SP noob flying around in a Megathron.............with 250 Rails on it
try tech2 small blasters
man if i wasnt in empire i wouldve popped that ship with no problems in my rax lol
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:41:00 -
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I'm over 6 mil SP and even if I could technically fly a Raven any time I wanted (both skill-wise and financially), I still fly a Ferox (got into it at around 1 mil SP or so, "upgraded" from Caracal which I had gotten into at around 250k SP).
And my next "step" is to get into other BCs rather than moving on to any BS (although BS L2 in each "corresponding" race will get trained ASAP after L4 cruiser).
Why ? No idea, I just don't feel the NEED to move on to BSs. BCs are just fine IMHO.
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Natas Dog
Caldari
WarpCorp
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:41:00 -
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I've been capable of flying a BS since about a month and a half in game. Pretty much every moment of my training has been spent furthering my combat effectiveness since then, outside of the learning skill tree. At 1m SP in a scorpion I was able to solo L3 missions with relative ease, whereas in my Ferox I had to be really selective. On top of that, I was able to tank L4 missions for my corpmates once I got it, which would have been a good bit more difficult (more like impossible) in my ferox at that point. It was a means to an end, a way for me to generate enough ISK to allow me to make the move to low sec life comfortably, instead of scraping up the ISK to replace lost ships every time I got unlucky. I truly dig the PvP aspect of EVE, which meant I was left with a few choices:
1. Joining an 0.0 corp/alliance (which I'd still need to meet SP requirements for), and possibly leaving some of my friends behind.
2. Talking my corp into joining an established alliance and effectively being their ***** since our corp is comprised of very new players (less than 1 year old, most less than 6 months), which means logistically we're at everyone's mercy since we don't have the means to move goods in or out of empire easily.
3. Striking out into low sec solo as a corp, and seeing how we fared.
I went with option 3, and it's worked out pretty well. We've made some friends in our chosen region, had some fun scrapes with the local pirates and PvP corps (most pretty one sided, but fun nonetheless), and made ISK all around. We've even set up our own POS and through some creative social engineering have set up fuel and moon mining/reaction deals with some other local POS owners. I find the choice we made as a corp to have been very rewarding, even if some my corp still runs out of high sec. The core group I've got at our low sec base is a pretty solid unit, and we keep getting better with each passing day; both in SPs and in general gang cohesiveness.
Long story short: If you're looking to make decent ISK relatively quickly; get into a BS ASAP and snore through most L3 missions, and even L4s if you've got a few friends to bring the DPS. Short of winning the T2 lottery, I'd have to say it's a great way to make ISK.
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Egil Kolsto
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:46:00 -
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It all depends on what you do and what you enjoy Pampinus.
Personally, I enjoy the friendship of playing with someone else. This being a PVP game the best option is then to get a ship you can afford to loose, join a Corp in low-sec /0.0 and go have fun. This is where the math comes in. You jump down to low-sec too soon, you have very limited ability to make ISK aka replace your loss. I take some pride in being self-sufficient and face it, when you learn the ropes of PvP chances are you will loose a few ships. Also add to the fact that anyone coming into the game now is like years behind the few that started so you have a lot of skill points to make up. So the path for me is pretty clear, high-sec clone in high officer fitted CNR for weekdays, pull in 20-60 M a day during week. Jump into clone for weekend and head to lowsec and loose a few ships and your two implants. With the current prices on +3s there is no reason not to bring a few extra for the skill you are currently learning. The skill gap is the biggest hurdle.
Yes, your blasterax might take out the frigate I will fly in Pvp but I hope to learn something along the way. The two paths of PvP and Isk-generation do not go hand in hand as far as I can see. And until I produce mission times as fast as tiller, I'll have to grind a few more missions before I can afford to send a BS down to low sec.
Safe flying!
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Zeknichov
Amarr
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:50:00 -
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It takes maybe 2M skill points or so to fly a BS for the purpose of ratting in 0.0. This is perfectly acceptable. No point for n00bs to do level 2 missions or so when they can be making 100M in a day of ratting 0.0. For fleet if you aren't using a T2 BS or Cap ship then you are probably in an interceptor. Interceptors are also useful for small gang combat so new players should train for a BS to rat and then train for an interceptor to PvP and then they are pretty much set for life in EVE.
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Rayvonuk
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Natas Dog
Long story short: If you're looking to make decent ISK relatively quickly; get into a BS ASAP and snore through most L3 missions, and even L4s if you've got a few friends to bring the DPS. Short of winning the T2 lottery, I'd have to say it's a great way to make ISK.
I dont aggree,
your not gonna make much money loosing a BS on a daily basis because you lack the support skills to fly it even half decently.
Flying a BS with 1-2 million skillpoints is silly when u can chain 0.0 spawns in a cruiser.
each to his own thought i suppose.
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Natas Dog
Caldari
WarpCorp
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rayvonuk
I dont aggree,
your not gonna make much money loosing a BS on a daily basis because you lack the support skills to fly it even half decently.
Flying a BS with 1-2 million skillpoints is silly when u can chain 0.0 spawns in a cruiser.
each to his own thought i suppose.
I thought about going that route, but I had a hard enough time talking my RL friends into making the leap to low sec, 0.0 was pretty much an impossible sell. I don't like to leave my friends behind, so we compromised. Now we're in a pretty cushy situation for a bunch of nubs who've been playing since the middle of this year, so I've got nothing to make me want to push further towards 0.0. Maybe in another 6 months when we're all sitting on decent bank account and SP totals, I'll try to make the final push into player owned content and 0.0.
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Stud Longcock
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven
I've always gone by one motto which I've heard other people say as well.
Fly what you can afford to lose.
If they can afford to lose it, let them =P
Exactly. I was in a Raven at less than 1.5 mil SP. It made level 3 missions easy as hell. If some vet has a problem with my noob arse being in a BS, blow me up or STFU.
Yes, this is an alt. 
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VaMei
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rayvonuk
your not gonna make much money loosing a BS on a daily basis because you lack the support skills to fly it even half decently.
Loosing a cruiser loaded with T2 mods is no less expensive than loosing an insured BS loaded with T1, and the mods for the BS are easier to replace when your deep in 0.0
Originally by: Rayvonuk
Flying a BS with 1-2 million skillpoints is silly when u can chain 0.0 spawns in a cruiser.
Come on out to -.8 space in a cruiser and only 1-2 million SP and chain away at a few tripple BS spawns. I'll put my odds on the player with a BS and T1 fitting out lasting you. |
Tammarr
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:07:00 -
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I do have a 40 days from creation -> 0.0 ratting with a raven =)
Support the poor fellow with a raven, 8-16 hours(10-20m/hour) of ratting later they will pay you back with interest =) No risk to die if they keep an eye at local and are ready to warp away to a ss.
(Ofc I'am currently building "miner of doom(tm)" since I've reached the conclusion come kali there will be no more small raidpacks going into big alliances space so I can mine totaly safe)
But yes, I do feel that given experience and knowledge nothing stops you from flying a ship with bad skills.
The very fact people are told "dont fly it till you can fit t2 guns and tank" would be very discouraging to hear, looking at the possible months of training evemon racks up for you is not fun, esp also being told "you wont be any use till then, just cannon fodder" that is truely a funkiller.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Stud Longcock
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
I've always gone by one motto which I've heard other people say as well.
Fly what you can afford to lose.
If they can afford to lose it, let them =P
Exactly. I was in a Raven at less than 1.5 mil SP. It made level 3 missions easy as hell. If some vet has a problem with my noob arse being in a BS, blow me up or STFU.
Yes, this is an alt.
Thankfully, post-Kali lvl 3 missions will go faster in a drake than in a raven.
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Stud Longcock
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran
Thankfully, post-Kali lvl 3 missions will go faster in a drake than in a raven.
I rat in 0.0 alliance space in my Raven now. It's a helluva lot more interesting than missions, the pay is better, and I get all kinds of nice parts to play with. I'm at just over 2 mil SP.
Watching local with a deathstar SS ftw.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:20:00 -
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It's quite simple. A battleship fitted like a cruiser is still a more powerful ship than the cruiser.
A raven with 6 heavy missile launchers (no damage bonus - that's only on siege and cruise) does the same damage as a caracal with cruiser 4, but on all the damage types.
You can even fit it with the 2 BCS, and 'cruiser shield tank' and have a better tank too, simply because you have that much more shield, armour, cap and slots.
Yes, it'll get outclassed by ... well anyone who can fly the ship well, but that's true of any ship size at any level.
Of course, let's also not forget the e-peen factor. Mr J. Random, Newbie in his Raven may get totally owned by Mr. Moderately skilled PvPer in his caracal, but your average Guristas arrogator isn't going to be able to succeed.
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:23:00 -
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1 year till i flew a cruiser
2 years till i first flew a bs.
Undercover Brothers
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 21/11/2006 17:24:48
Originally by: VaMei
Come on out to -.8 space in a cruiser and only 1-2 million SP and chain away at a few tripple BS spawns. I'll put my odds on the player with a BS and T1 fitting out lasting you.
...and I'll be willing to bet that the guy in the AF, along with a Giant Secure Can filled with S ammo will outlast both of them, as well as be able to align and warp out with ease when a pirate comes along to relieve him of his ship.
Originally by: Daniel Jackson
LOLOLOL that *****s me up, BS's doign lv 3 mission :PPP, what the hell is up with that, isent that like illeagle or somethign? LOL, dudse ull find level 3 missins easer iin a caracal or a BC, and well NO im not gonna BLOW you, but im moost certanly happy to BLOW YOU UP :P
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Daniel Jackson
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Stud Longcock
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
I've always gone by one motto which I've heard other people say as well.
Fly what you can afford to lose.
If they can afford to lose it, let them =P
Exactly. I was in a Raven at less than 1.5 mil SP. It made level 3 missions easy as hell. If some vet has a problem with my noob arse being in a BS, blow me up or STFU.
Yes, this is an alt.
LOLOLOL that *****s me up, BS's doign lv 3 mission :PPP, what the hell is up with that, isent that like illeagle or somethign? LOL, dudse ull find level 3 missins easer iin a caracal or a BC, and well NO im not gonna BLOW you, but im moost certanly happy to BLOW YOU UP :P
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Skawl
GeoTech
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Skawl on 21/11/2006 17:25:08
Depends...
I was flying a domi with little over 1mil SP iirc.
I used it for ratting in 0.0 - it was slow but could kill any spawn up to triple 1.5mil BS. I couldn't have done that in any other ship at the time so for what I was doing it was the right choice. The Domi is particularly forgiving of low skills provided you have decent drone skills.
If I started now though I'd go straight for AFs - I mainly fly cruisers and AFs these days and I find it way more fun than BS, although I still doubt my ishkur would break the tank on a 1.5mil BS in any decent amount of time.
EDIT: Thinking about it - I must have had more than 1mil SP, prolly closer 2mill.
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Soumk
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:24:00 -
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Each noob should be given at least 6 million skillpoints so they can compete with older players.
Either that or a banana.
Not sure which would be better.
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Paari Cuman
Windsor Trade Organization
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:26:00 -
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Noobs are supposed to train fast. CCP benefits by keeping players in game longer than the average 6 months. Also, its DESIGNED to catch up with older players.
I don't see this as a problem tho. Noobs in battleships that are a month old are easier to kill. 
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Stud Longcock
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Daniel Jackson
LOLOLOL that *****s me up, BS's doign lv 3 mission :PPP, what the hell is up with that, isent that like illeagle or somethign? LOL, dudse ull find level 3 missins easer iin a caracal or a BC, and well NO im not gonna BLOW you, but im moost certanly happy to BLOW YOU UP :P
Was that english? I sure hope you fly better than you type, or you might just implode yourself. 
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Sonlatur
Minmatar
Matari Raiders
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sonlatur on 21/11/2006 17:50:32
I stayed in my good ol' Rifter for quite a while (2 weeks or so). Then i got annoyed that i had to warp out of WC2 (the one with the missile batteries) [edit: it wasnt WC; forgot how the missions were called] so often. So i trained Cruiser, bought a Stabber and mounted some small acs - i had to warp out only once.
The common opinion, "dont fly it before you have super-duper skills in it, otherwise you'll loose it" is wrong. Of course bigger ships are somewhat tricky since they turn slower, but their tank is just much better.
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Maam
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:45:00 -
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Noobs are moving way too fast. I was flying my hauler the other day and one flew past me doing at least 1000m/s.
Discraceful I tells ya. Nerf noobs.
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Flitz Farseeker
Gallente
Eve guardians
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Posted - 2006.11.23 14:14:00 -
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Got just over 3 mill sp now, so guess I'm still a noob in EvE terms. Can fly combat ships up to a BC and currently training for AFs/Intys and then towards BS. Got a lot of support skills to fill out in the meantime, as well as my gunnery and most importantly my drone skills.
I won't be flying a BS till I get large guns skilled a bit, but I will get one well before I can fit large T2 guns. Hell, I still can't fit small T2 guns on my frigs!
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