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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.21 20:55:00 -
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The dronebay increase to 125 cubic meters should be interesting. I'll make sure to test it lots. Thanks!
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Quilan Ziller
Gallente Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:01:00 -
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YAAAAY!!!! This ship is finally useful.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Risien Drogonne The dronebay increase to 125 cubic meters should be interesting. I'll make sure to test it lots. Thanks!
That is interesting. I see a heavy / medium blend (with spare mediums) on the horizon- enough DPS to compete in PvP, but with spares to keep it in the fight (albeit at reduced efficiency) for a while longer.
Will be interesting to hear how testing works out. -----------------------------------------------
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/11/2006 21:10:44 Give the ship 8 turrets with double damage bonuses while you are at it. Why not make it obvious there is no reason to pick another race in this game. There are still some people who doesnt pick gallente you know...
5 heavy drones +37.5% Repair bonus +50% drone hitpoint bonus +50% drone damage bonus 5 medium slots
Yeah ok. Sigh.
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:12:00 -
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Great. 5 heavies kill everything bigger than a destroyer, including cruisers (stupid awesome tracking...), and everyone knows it. For comparison, the balance before was:
Drake >>> Hurricane >>> Harbinger > Myrmidon
Now it's:
Myrmidon >>> Harbinger > Hurricane > Your elderly mother > Drake
Hmm, this looks familiar. Caldari have the worst BC? Gallente have the best? My, my, very familiar indeed... ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:22:00 -
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Well once more gallentean idiots made it. At first they cry and whine until other ships get pwned by a nerfbat followed by immediate additional whine that their ships are the worst.
And what comes out!? Exactly what was pointed by Nicocat. Gallente BC will own all other. It's really sad to see that CCP is so easy to be influenced by forum trolling and whining
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:23:00 -
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Please bear in mind how ludicrous the idea of flying Heavies alone on this ship would be- they'd have popped before your enemy was even out of shields. Anyone who new about the game would know that 5 heavies on the Myr = no spares, and that amounts to instant death.
4 heavies and no spares was a ludicrous propostition, and 5 mediums is just a glorified Vexor. This way people can either max out their DPS, or choose a lower DPS set-up that actually works.
I think it could probably do with losing a turret, though. -----------------------------------------------
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Jaxtet
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:23:00 -
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Yay! |
Evelgrivion
Cohort.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:26:00 -
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Well now that the Gallente have a gank-mobile, can the Caldari please have the ROF bonus to at least hope to compete?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Asariasha Edited by: Asariasha on 21/11/2006 21:23:14 Well once more gallentean idiots made it. At first they cry and whine until other ships get pwned by a nerfbat followed by immediate additional whine that their ships are the worst.
And what comes out!? Exactly what was pointed by Nicocat. Gallente BC will own all other. It's really sad to see that CCP is so easy to be influenced by forum trolling and whining and seems not to be able to balance the BCs in the way experienced players of different races supposed
Galls havn't wined much at all. However the ombined 30 pages or so of Drake whining, plus the (much smaller) Hurricane whining has been monumental. With everything to from flame-baiting Devs to the more traditional "I quits".......
Myrmidon out-right sucked the way it was first on Sisi. It had the lowest DPS, no room for spare drones, and barely any turrets. It was then buffed with extra turrets- it brought it on par with the rest of the BCs (kinda- its debateable) but was in the complete wrong direction- why boost a Drone ship by giving it more turrets? Now its got the Drone boost it needed in the first place, but it could probably do with losing that turret boost. Its true that with 5 heavies and all neutron blasters it'll out damage other BCs- but that'd be a suicidal setup. On a realistic setup (either 5 mediums, or a medium / heavy mix) its DPS really isn't anything special.
Not having spare Drones is a bit like flying with only the ammo thats in your guns, and nothing in your cargo- sure you'll kick ass, but only for the first 25 seconds........... -----------------------------------------------
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion Well now that the Gallente have a gank-mobile, can the Caldari please have the ROF bonus to at least hope to compete?
I'm betting the drake will still compete favorably with the myrmidon.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:33:00 -
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Can you give the Hurricane back its 7 turrets please? This is getting ridiculous. --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Kalhystia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:34:00 -
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No need to touch anything, that ship is perfectly fine now. Want to use heavies for DPS? You can, but with no replacement waves. Seems a nice tradeoff for me. Let the 6 turrets, it allows versatility (sorry, but not everyone want to use the cookie NOS in highs).
But I still regret that other BCs were nerfed so hard in the way As expected, everyone will cry, scream while pointing Gallente as being "overpowered" again. Fail to see in what this ship is overpowered. It doesnŠt have a large drone bay and doesnŠt do uber damage, even with 5 heavy drones. |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/11/2006 21:37:26
Originally by: Kalhystia Fail to see in what this ship is overpowered. It doesnŠt have a large drone bay and doesnŠt do uber damage, even with 5 heavy drones.
So why was the Hurricane overpowered with 7 turrets and 30 m3 drone bay, no repair bonus, no defensive bonuses of any kind?
Ah feck it, ccp do as they please anyway. Its pointless to argue.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/11/2006 21:10:44 Give the ship 8 turrets with double damage bonuses while you are at it. Why not make it obvious there is no reason to pick another race in this game. There are still some people who doesnt pick gallente you know...
Oooh buhuuu my shiny toy got taken away and now all I can do is ***** at Tux and troll threads how Caldari are soooo sucky now. Can you ONLY whine and defend/ask for boost on Caldari ships?
That said, I wouldnt mind it losing a turret; it's a droneboat after all. Unlike the Caldari fanbois, mind you.
FYI, I'm eqaully skilled in Gallente and Caldari so spare me the biased argument.
Originally by: "Cy4n1d3"
You can't PVP with 4 mids.
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:38:00 -
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Here's what we do.
1) Hurricane gets its turret. 2) Drake gets its launcher (but NOT the ROF bonus. Those together were ridiculous) 2a) Or it gets the ROF bonus back and only 6 turrets, but they'd better nerf those ****ed Jav HAMs 3) Myrmidon can keep its ******* 5 heavies 4) The Harbinger is actually ok. 5) Nerf the TANKING ability of these ships.
There. We all win. ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Originally by: Jim McGregor That said, I wouldnt mind it losing a turret; it's a droneboat after all. Unlike the Caldari fanbois, mind you.
It's already got 2 fewer high slots for weapons than the other BCs do.
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Kalhystia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhystia on 21/11/2006 21:40:43
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/11/2006 21:10:44 Give the ship 8 turrets with double damage bonuses while you are at it. Why not make it obvious there is no reason to pick another race in this game. There are still some people who doesnt pick gallente you know...
Oooh buhuuu my shiny toy got taken away and now all I can do is ***** at Tux and troll threads how Caldari are soooo sucky now. Can you ONLY whine and defend/ask for boost on Caldari ships?
That said, I wouldnt mind it losing a turret; it's a droneboat after all. Unlike the Caldari fanbois, mind you.
FYI, I'm eqaully skilled in Gallente and Caldari so spare me the biased argument.
If that is truly needed to make the whinage stop, yes take a turret from it, even if I donŠt see why: I would like to point out that this ship only has 17 slots when all the other tier 2 BC already have 18 slots. |
Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/11/2006 21:10:44 Give the ship 8 turrets with double damage bonuses while you are at it. Why not make it obvious there is no reason to pick another race in this game. There are still some people who doesnt pick gallente you know...
Oooh buhuuu my shiny toy got taken away and now all I can do is ***** at Tux and troll threads how Caldari are soooo sucky now. Can you ONLY whine and defend/ask for boost on Caldari ships?
That said, I wouldnt mind it losing a turret; it's a droneboat after all. Unlike the Caldari fanbois, mind you.
FYI, I'm eqaully skilled in Gallente and Caldari so spare me the biased argument.
Jim and I are Caldari traitors and fly Minmatar. Please remove your head from your ass before speaking. ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 21/11/2006 21:46:05 double post -----------------------------------------------
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Risien Drogonne Edited by: Risien Drogonne on 21/11/2006 21:45:22
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux That said, I wouldnt mind it losing a turret; it's a droneboat after all. Unlike the Caldari fanbois, mind you.
It's already got 2 fewer high slots for weapons than the other BCs do.
Can't all the new BCs use at least 6 of their primary weapons (Harbinger having 7)? Or do I need to log onto the test server more often? ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Risien Drogonne
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux That said, I wouldnt mind it losing a turret; it's a droneboat after all. Unlike the Caldari fanbois, mind you.
It's already got 2 fewer high slots for weapons than the other BCs do.
Yah, but its a drone boat
The beauty of drone boats is that it doesn't need a full spread of wtfpwn turrets. I've not crunched the numbers so don't know what its DPS is atm, but if it is overpowered (and its distictly poossible that it could be) then the turrets should get the nerf, not the drones. -----------------------------------------------
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Yah, but its a drone boat
The beauty of drone boats is that it doesn't need a full spread of wtfpwn turrets. I've not crunched the numbers so don't know what its DPS is atm, but if it is overpowered (and its distictly poossible that it could be) then the turrets should get the nerf, not the drones.
Perhaps you missed my point. Name another droneboat that has 3 fewer highslots than anything else in its class. 2 is the max to date (Dominix).
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Kalhystia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Risien Drogonne
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux That said, I wouldnt mind it losing a turret; it's a droneboat after all. Unlike the Caldari fanbois, mind you.
It's already got 2 fewer high slots for weapons than the other BCs do.
Yah, but its a drone boat
The beauty of drone boats is that it doesn't need a full spread of wtfpwn turrets. I've not crunched the numbers so don't know what its DPS is atm, but if it is overpowered (and its distictly poossible that it could be) then the turrets should get the nerf, not the drones.
Like.. Dominix? 6 highs, 6 turrets. I fail to see your point here Not saying that Domi is underpowered, but 6 turrets Domi isnŠt the imbalanced thing: NOS-ECM domi is the imbalance. So keep Myrmidon turrets. |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:50:00 -
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Could be, could be. I'm not really in a postition to be talking about overall balance, so I'm not gonna try and argue it.
I'm sure someoen will crunch the numbers soon enough, though. -----------------------------------------------
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/11/2006 21:10:44 Give the ship 8 turrets with double damage bonuses while you are at it. Why not make it obvious there is no reason to pick another race in this game. There are still some people who doesnt pick gallente you know...
5 heavy drones +37.5% Repair bonus +50% drone hitpoint bonus +50% drone damage bonus 5 medium slots
Yeah ok. Sigh.
Yeah right, and the fact each ****ed Ogre II costs over 2 mil a pop doesnt balance things out?!
You can kill them relatively easily, while the other races dont loose their weapons, or forced to leave their missile launchers behind, when have to warp out! ------------------ Its great not being an Amarr, aint it? Save Tranquility! |
Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/11/2006 21:10:44 Give the ship 8 turrets with double damage bonuses while you are at it. Why not make it obvious there is no reason to pick another race in this game. There are still some people who doesnt pick gallente you know...
5 heavy drones +37.5% Repair bonus +50% drone hitpoint bonus +50% drone damage bonus 5 medium slots
Yeah ok. Sigh.
Yeah right, and the fact each ****ed Ogre II costs over 2 mil a pop doesnt balance things out?!
You can kill them relatively easily, while the other races dont loose their weapons, or forced to leave their missile launchers behind, when have to warp out!
Good 'scout' Autos cost around 3m in Caldari space (I'll be ****ed if I'm going all the way to Minny space to save 5 mil). And if you take a look at my snazzy new heirarchy, you won't NEED to warp out. Myrm > all others now, unless you're ganked by Bships and tacklers... you won't be going anywhere then, anyway. ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Lucian Corvinus
Gallente Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/11/2006 21:10:44 Give the ship 8 turrets with double damage bonuses while you are at it. Why not make it obvious there is no reason to pick another race in this game. There are still some people who doesnt pick gallente you know...
5 heavy drones +37.5% Repair bonus +50% drone hitpoint bonus +50% drone damage bonus 5 medium slots
Yeah ok. Sigh.
I could not agree more. The myrmidon already did waaaay more damage than any of the other races, but sure boost it even more, seems like CCP just want to keep gallente as the king of pvp in this game. Well I better start training for yet another win-button ship from gallente
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Isyel
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:15:00 -
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Anyone dares to whine about not being able to have spare drones on top of this should get a special tar and feather treatment along with a multiple... meh,let's leave this one.
So can we get our 7 turret back? Obviously melting other ships is allowed now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I be needin' some sig love. *sigh* |
Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea Yeah right, and the fact each ****ed Ogre II costs over 2 mil a pop doesnt balance things out?!
You can kill them relatively easily, while the other races dont loose their weapons, or forced to leave their missile launchers behind, when have to warp out!
Market issues has nothing to do with ship balance.
Fact is, even with medium drones and electron turrets this ship out damages Hurricane (okay only till 5km with t1 ammo).
Fact is this will be the best gang BC where people won't have time to go for your drones due to damage they're taking and/or the EW being used on them.
One ship has two damage bonuses, the other has 1 damage bonus and tanking bonus...
Thats the problem. -------------------------
Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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