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ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:17:00 - [31] the Devs are using sledge hammers to balance the game again FFS likey make this the solow ship of all BS shall we christ the sings this pathc is going though has more drama then the bob/ascn threads.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Lucian Corvinus Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/11/2006 21:10:44 Give the ship 8 turrets with double damage bonuses while you are at it. Why not make it obvious there is no reason to pick another race in this game. There are still some people who doesnt pick gallente you know... 5 heavy drones +37.5% Repair bonus +50% drone hitpoint bonus +50% drone damage bonus 5 medium slots Yeah ok. Sigh. I could not agree more. The myrmidon already did waaaay more damage than any of the other races, but sure boost it even more, seems like CCP just want to keep gallente as the king of pvp in this game. Well I better start training for yet another win-button ship from gallente Let's see... the myrmidon's downsides: 1) Its primary weapons can be destroyed and it has no spares unless you settle for lower DPS 2) It has no gun bonuses 3) It only has 6 highslots 4) The guns it does fit cost cap and have almost no range (if you use blasters) 5) Has to worry about tracking 6) Can't hit frigs if you go with 5 heavy drones Yep, pretty much looks like it SHOULD have the highest DPS.
4rc4ng3L Gallente C R Y O	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:25:00 - [33] I think this was a necessary change, regardless of whehter i use Gallente ships or not. Im glad to see it... Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live...
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:57:00 - [34] Has anyone actualy weighted this up against an ishtar? Spare drone issue aside it seems we have a super ishtar at 15% of the cost
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:00:00 - [35] I fully expect tux to return our 7th launcher and ROF bonus. And no, I don't care if you nerf the Ferox into the stoneage, be my guest. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Rawthorm Has anyone actualy weighted this up against an ishtar? Spare drone issue aside it seems we have a super ishtar at 15% of the cost My ishtar wipes the floor with a myrmidon, simply because the ishtar can carry so many spare drones and the myrmidon can't. Plus, the Ishtar has a very effective anti-blaster tank built-in.
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:02:00 - [37] TBH if they hadn't nerfed the Hurricane before this, I would applaud this change. Now I only feel resentment though. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Rawthorm Has anyone actualy weighted this up against an ishtar? Spare drone issue aside it seems we have a super ishtar at 15% of the cost That is, rather, the point. BCs are meant to be better than HACs- Brutix can kill an Ishtar, witha good wind behind it. Ever checked the base price of a HAC? Its 20 million- considerably cheaper than the Myrmidon. It is in fact the whole point that before now it was far inferior to an Ishtar. -----------------------------------------------
Ergo Morte Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:04:00 - [39] Oh good, Tux found 25m3 of the drone bay the Myr had for it's preliminary stats. 125m3 to go.
Judar	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:05:00 - [40] QUIT THE *****ING Maby he will restore the drake back to its former glory now Judor

Arushia Nova Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:06:00 - [41] Originally by: ragewind the Devs are using sledge hammers to balance the game again FFS That's the point of a test-server. You can make big changes and observe their impact and public reaction to them without having people lose "real" assets on the live server. You couldn't tell from the 50% HP increase that big changes were being tested?
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:07:00 - [42] Originally by: Judar QUIT THE *****ING Maby he will restore the drake back to its former glory now Judor Why would he do that? You don't buff the strong ships just because the weak ones got bufed.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:08:00 - [43] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/11/2006 21:10:44 Give the ship 8 turrets with double damage bonuses while you are at it. Why not make it obvious there is no reason to pick another race in this game. There are still some people who doesnt pick gallente you know... Oooh buhuuu my shiny toy got taken away and now all I can do is *** at Tux and troll threads how Caldari are soooo sucky now. Can you ONLY whine and defend/ask for boost on Caldari ships? That said, I wouldnt mind it losing a turret; it's a droneboat after all. Unlike the Caldari fanbois, mind you. FYI, I'm eqaully skilled in Gallente and Caldari so spare me the biased argument. SPs don't suddenly make you fair and balanced. If they want the myrmidon to be a droneboat, which can now do BS-level drone damage (its primary weapon), then lets drop the turrets to 3, maybe 4. Not that it matters, because everyones going to use the ship as a NOSboat regardless. I know I would. If it's going to be a droneboat, then cripple the turrets and possibly highslots in general, and give it 150 or 175m3, then it can carry a couple spare drones (granted, some people will still * that its not enough), and relies on using drones, just as a Raven relies on using missiles, or a geddon with lasers. They nerfed the Drake, a GANK BATTLECRUISER, but removing the GANK, despite the fact the tank is what was making it pwn so hard. Now we're left with another mission ship, and most of us would prefer the better damage and ty tank, not ty damage and better tank. Atleast the NH is getting its ROF bonus though, so people only have to spend an extra month or 2 in order to get a solid missile BC. Tux really needs to rethink these BCs, there's nothing gank about the drake, or a couple others for that matter. Caldari don't want or need another ship that can just sit there and tank while its enemy tanks them until backup arrives to wipe them out with real firepower. If the Ferox wasn't a complete and utter joke, then there'd be some grounds to argue against the Drake being un-suckified, but the Ferox is a massive joke, and if it wasn't a decent passive tanking mission ship, you'd see them about as often as a moa, NEVER. Originally by:** kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:10:00 - [44] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia If it's going to be a droneboat, then cripple the turrets and possibly highslots in general, and give it 150 or 175m3, then it can carry a couple spare drones (granted, some people will still ***** that its not enough), and relies on using drones, just as a Raven relies on using missiles, or a geddon with lasers. You be sure to let me know when I can shoot the launchers or turrets off your ship, ok? Cause until that day, it's not even similar.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:11:00 - [45] Originally by: Audrea Yeah right, and the fact each **ed Ogre II costs over 2 mil a pop doesnt balance things out?! Cerbs cost 300mil, I demand they do 50% more DPS to compensate for their cost. Seriously, don't ever try to use T2 costs for your argument, it's quite possibly the worst thing you can do for your side of a debate. Use ogre I's, you'll find they're far cheaper. Originally by:** kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Zeknichov Amarr Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:13:00 - [46] Edited by: Zeknichov on 21/11/2006 23:15:39 This thread is pretty funny. One more heavy drone, ONE, without any replacements... just ONE more heavy drone and the Myrmidon is all of a sudden overpowered. rofl Use some math people, cut the turrets to compensate and increase drone bay. Now everyone is happy.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:15:00 - [47] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Malthros Zenobia If it's going to be a droneboat, then cripple the turrets and possibly highslots in general, and give it 150 or 175m3, then it can carry a couple spare drones (granted, some people will still *** that its not enough), and relies on using drones, just as a Raven relies on using missiles, or a geddon with lasers. You be sure to let me know when I can shoot the launchers or turrets off your ship, ok? Cause until that day, it's not even similar. It's coming the same day that the nosdomi stops being such a bat insane i-win button. Well, I should say the Nosdomi and Nosmidon now. Originally by:** kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Atar Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:19:00 - [48] Yup my sig says it all, give us back the 7th turret and leave the PG nerfed.
Quilan Ziller Gallente Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:22:00 - [49] Originally by: Nicocat Good 'scout' Autos cost around 3m in Caldari space (I'll be ****ed if I'm going all the way to Minny space to save 5 mil). And if you take a look at my snazzy new heirarchy, you won't NEED to warp out. Myrm > all others now, unless you're ganked by Bships and tacklers... you won't be going anywhere then, anyway. Let's talk again when I will be able to shoot your autos off your ship in battle. Right now I can do squat about them. Even by nossing you. My slow Ogres (which also have cruiser-size sig radius) can be killed very easily. Given that the Myr does not get any spares (like the Domi)... Need I say more? I think you have never flown a drone ship if you make arguments like that. ______________________________________________________________ Of course the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you--if you don't play, you can't win. - Robert Heinlein
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/11/2006 21:10:44 Give the ship 8 turrets with double damage bonuses while you are at it. Why not make it obvious there is no reason to pick another race in this game. There are still some people who doesnt pick gallente you know... 5 heavy drones +37.5% Repair bonus +50% drone hitpoint bonus +50% drone damage bonus 5 medium slots Yeah ok. Sigh. Get real. If anyone is stupid enough to use 5 heavy drones on this thing, you can spend 10 seconds popping them. Goodbye 350 DPS. Its a medium drone boat, really.

Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:25:00 - [51] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 21/11/2006 23:25:32 Originally by: Zeknichov Edited by: Zeknichov on 21/11/2006 23:15:39 This thread is pretty funny. One more heavy drone, ONE, without any replacements... just ONE more heavy drone and the Myrmidon is all of a sudden overpowered. rofl Use some math people, cut the turrets to compensate and increase drone bay. Now everyone is happy. 1 more heavy drone is 25% more drone damage uhuh, yeah just one Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:27:00 - [52] Edited by: Butter Dog on 21/11/2006 23:27:11 Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 21/11/2006 23:25:32 Originally by: Zeknichov Edited by: Zeknichov on 21/11/2006 23:15:39 This thread is pretty funny. One more heavy drone, ONE, without any replacements... just ONE more heavy drone and the Myrmidon is all of a sudden overpowered. rofl Use some math people, cut the turrets to compensate and increase drone bay. Now everyone is happy. 1 more heavy drone is 25% more drone damage uhuh, yeah just one IF you had a well developed PvP brain, which clearly you do not, you would realise that if you took a few SECONDS to pop the heavy drones (All 5 of them), the Mrym loses a massive amount of DPS. It also has no replacements. Only a fool would use this with exclusively heavy drones, and no replacements in the hold.
Quilan Ziller Gallente Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:28:00 - [53] WTF... All the whiners in this thread are Caldari Just noticed Guess what. With your missile standoff ships you can kill off drones. Easily. Even with FoF missiles. Especially the slow, big heavy drones. Myrmidon is slow, and if you engage it from 40 km, guess who will win. Yes, the Ferox. Every time, all the time. It all comes down to strategy. Why do you whine again? Now, with Myr having the initial 100m3 drone bay... A Myrmidon pilot will have no chance against any of the other Tier 2 BCs. It has been tested on Serenity multiple times, and My was defeated most of the time. Read some of the older Myrmidon threads, then whine. Sheesh. ______________________________________________________________ Of course the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you--if you don't play, you can't win. - Robert Heinlein
Quilan Ziller Gallente Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:30:00 - [54] Originally by: Butter Dog Only a fool would use this with exclusively heavy drones, and no replacements in the hold. Precisely. 5 heavy drones will be a good strategy against rats, but never in PvP. Also note that Myrmidon is extremely slow... ______________________________________________________________ Of course the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you--if you don't play, you can't win. - Robert Heinlein
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:32:00 - [55] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 21/11/2006 23:32:32 Originally by: Butter Dog IF you had a well developed PvP brain, which clearly you do not, you would realise that if you took a few SECONDS to pop the heavy drones (All 5 of them), the Mrym loses a massive amount of DPS. It also has no replacements. Only a fool would use this with exclusively heavy drones, and no replacements in the hold. he wanted math i gave him math and if you think for a second that people wont use 5 large drones on this ship than you are an utter fool with no pvp brains with the right setup and some brains you can protect your drones well enough in 1v1, in larger groups people dont tend to target drones anyways also failing to pop the drones of a myrm will result in a sure death for nearly anyone and you want more dronebay for backups, hilarity (the only real disadvantage is that it cant fit 5 lights atm for protection against smaller targets and god i hiope it stays that way ) Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:33:00 - [56] Originally by: Butter Dog Only a fool would use this with exclusively heavy drones, and no replacements in the hold. Aggreed. At this early stage, I'd guess my choice would be 2 heavies +3 mediums, +4 spare mediums. That gives me long-term cruiser DPS, with an initial short burst of BC sized damage. I mean, we're talking only about 350 DPS from those drones at their peak (I think); hardly uber, is it? How much DPS does the (new) Drake do these days, at optimal range? -----------------------------------------------
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:33:00 - [57] I was hoping for more than 125... but I guess it works out. Myr pilots can go for full damage (5 heavies) at the risk of losing DPS when they go pop. I don't think you'll see too many Mry pilots with 5x heavies though. Anyone else who sees 5 heavies pop out of a mry will know what to do next: shoot the drones and watch the myr die a slow death.
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:34:00 - [58] Well the change sure is unexpected and it was honestly needed. The nerfs to the other BC were here before the myrmi got changed.. and after the changes I thought it would be a cold day in hell before any of the ships would get better. And now the myrmi has 125 m^3 drone space.. I laugh at those people saying the myrmidon is better than all the other tier 2 BC. You have obviously never fitted one. Any blaster setup requires a MWD (and probably a cap booster, you know usual setup)(ow and I'd use an AC setup since without a hyrbid bonus the no cap is better). Good luck fitting any form of tank that way; tanking bonus down the drain. You want an uber tank that leaves you enough fitting for a drone setup, screw the guns. So 6 small arty (honestly, why the frell use rails over a no cap weapon on this ship) and 5 heavy drones. Any armed drake can take that ship out easily unless jammed.. just a matter of hitting the heavy drones and pounding through the formidable tank. As for dps, I recon it is highest now with the changes to the other tier 2 BC.. kill two drones and it's lowest again.. and no spares if you bring heavies.. seems fair enough.. (especially when you figure you need BC lvl 5 to get the same 50% hp increase for your drones all the ships have had, and drones haven't..) The Drake deserved a nerf, mind you not the whack in the face it just had, but a nerf nonetheless. Fights on sisi were silly. The others.. no clue what they were thinking, prolly something along the line of .. hmm cheap hac.. About the slots and high slots of the myrmi.. atm the myrmi still has one less slot than the other tier 2 BC. You can't just give a ship in the same class less slots than others in teh same class.. but you can't really try and give it 18 slots with as lil high slots as possible. I mean noone wants a ship with just 2 highs and 8 meds and lows.. so where do you go... more low slots means uber tank... more meds means uber tackle.. so you need to keep highs.. and really the model has 6 turret slots. Either give it 4 turrets and don't use the first and last, or something like that, but 5 turrets looked ugly. I say unnerf the hurricane, give the drake the launcher slot back, but keep the boni as they are now, (and please change the ferox to a proper rail boat with 7/3 turret/launcher) and obviously boost amarr :) PS: 125m^3 is still too small, and please change the bonus to scout drones only so the frelling whiners will move on, with the myrmi's down on dps again. - All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me - Pure drone user... give us a mini carrier and faction Typhoon and Dominix please
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:35:00 - [59] Originally by: Zeknichov Edited by: Zeknichov on 21/11/2006 23:15:39 This thread is pretty funny. One more heavy drone, ONE, without any replacements... just ONE more heavy drone and the Myrmidon is all of a sudden overpowered. rofl Use some math people, cut the turrets to compensate and increase drone bay. Now everyone is happy. It is not so much that it is overpowered, but it is that Gallenteans whine about their Myrmidon being too weak and the other BCs too strong. That resulting first in getting the Myrm a boost (-2 high +1 low is a boost for that kind of ship imho), then the Drake (which needed a nerf but not the pounding it got) and Hurricane (which was quite fine thank you) nerfed, and now ANOTHER boost for the Myrmidon. And now you want people who looked very forward to a great Hurricane and/or Drake to be happy campers because Gallente whining is the i-win button on the forums lately? The only thing this kind of treatment by CCP will generate is more hatred towards those they clearly favor. Caldari at least got the Rokh to look forward to, but us Minnies? But it is prolly my fault, CCP seems to be on a rampage to nerf everything I like about EVE. I apologize to everyone affected about loving Minmatar ships. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
CHAOS100 Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:40:00 - [60] Thanks CCP ! But I think you should re-buff the other bc's to even the whining. --------------



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