Yet remains an overall nerf which was not remotely needed. No-one ever accused missiles of applying too well with rigs.

And why did we get the nerf? Because :turrets: (that's a **** reason and you know it.) and "feedback" - which I sure as hell can't find and it wasn't this thread. The fact the things need gunnery skills was brought up ages ago but they've only just noticed it in the test server thread (of one page...)

Again, can we expect the missile skills to start to match gunnery ones? They're overshadowed at every turn....of course not.

The midslot pulls double duty as a 18% flare and as a budget tp... while I'd like the cerb to drop a low and gain a mid that doesn't seem likely to happen. Stacking penalties only mean like 4% of the modifier for the second module ergo your 20% rigor drops to 17.9% or so. Not a very big deal.

Looks like for any serious fleet doctrine missiles will remain crap.
Sure, you can recover a miniscule amount of damage application with the new modules, provided you further sacrifice your other critical fittings such as tank.

And hopefully we will have anti-missile specific ECM modules to finally put the last nail in this weapon systems coffin.

What gunnery skill did they put as requirement beside the obvious weapon upgrade which is in gunnery just because it has to be somewhere and nobody want to have to train a clone of it just for missiles.

2 years, and once again - nothing's changed.

This man has a great point that I can't believe no one's thought of so far.

Tracking computers don't increase absolute range, they increase effective range for the purposes of damage application. Let's say you have a turret with a range-scripted TC that hits for 110 at 50km and 80 at 100km. If you turn off the TC, you now hit for 100 at 50km and 50 at 100km. You don't hit for 0 at 100km, you just hit for less.

Missiles do not and can not work the same way. Either they hit targets at a certain range for full damage, or they hit for 0 damage. "Range" is far from the same concept for both weapon systems.


Take missile range out of MGEs and MGTs. It's only causing problems right now.

The problem will not get worse because the modules are not strong enough to make anything worse. However, I am pretty sure we are going to see is the rise of the Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher. Most battleships have one bonus for RHML and the worst bonus (RoF), but with the new module they should be competitive. Battleships also have the extra slots that smaller ships do not. Nothing will be broken, but we will have another strange weapon system like RLML.

Yes, but we haven't had a chance to post that thread quite yet.

This is a great suggestion, and might make balancing these variables easier, instead of tying them together..

Now we need only some effective EWAR that works on missiles.

What is ECM for 10 points bob?

What about kinetic locked ships, and the fact that missile application is still much worse than turret or sentry due to missile travel mechanics?

I like missiles, I don't like these changes. None of these ships were designed or balanced with these extra modules in mind. Turret ships are designed with the idea in mind that you need "x" number of slots for offensive and "x" number of slots for defensive while maintaining the option to choose between the 2. Missile boats were NOT. All this if going to do is put a few pathetically weak ship fits out there that people will try and then say "screw that." With most of my missile ships now the tank is comparable to turret ships, dps is less but application (in most cases) is pretty good. So you're making modules that
A. Are just going to reduce the missile boats tank and/or dps so that they are (even more) sub par.
B. Do nothing to actually increase dps, just improve application and range.
C. If anti-missile modules are introduced missile ships will just become more worthless and speed will continue to be king.

Perhaps in null-sec where engagements might be more likely to happen out in open space with large alpha fleets the range and application improvements might be worth while. But in FW space where most combat takes place on a button and where anything outside 20k just means you don't have point, your target leaves at will. So you can take your 100km range and ... well needless to say I don't want it. But pretty much everything lately seems to be all about the null-sec so I guess it's on deaf ears anyway.

This entire thing seems very poorly thought out and should not be introduced unless part of a fully worked package of missile ship balancing, DPS and EHP balancing, improvement module balancing, ammo balancing and counter-module balancing. This just reeks of the same lack of real consideration that was put into polarized modules.

If missiles are weak, buff missiles. Injecting new modules just complicates things and creates new issues all across the spectrum.

DON'T RELEASE CONTENT FOR THE SAKE OF "CONTENT"

ECM doesn't work on missiles.

/pedantic

It sure work a whole lot better on missile than on drones...

Okay everyone so officially, for the record, application rig bonuses will be stacking penalized with both each other and with the new application modules. I'm sorry I couldn't get that made clearer sooner, and I was hoping it would be in the patch notes.

Okay everyone so officially, for the record, application rig bonuses will be stacking penalized with both each other and with the new application modules. I'm sorry I couldn't get that made clearer sooner, and I was hoping it would be in the patch notes.

Okay everyone so officially, for the record, application rig bonuses will be stacking penalized with both each other and with the new application modules. I'm sorry I couldn't get that made clearer sooner, and I was hoping it would be in the patch notes.

so, if you didn't want to suffer poor application and fit more than one application rig; you now have to sacrifice a low or mid slot in order to get the same application stats you have now?

so, if you didn't want to suffer poor application and fit more than one application rig; you now have to sacrifice a low or mid slot in order to get the same application stats you have now?

Less actually, since the mids and rigs are stacked against each other, and the fact these new mods do not represent the same application value rigs have, basically you get nothing out of using the new mods and there probably will never be a reason to use them, unless you going for some super long range missile ship or something.