This thread is for discussion on a package of missile changes that we are pretty excited to see the results of.

Missiles need more than just these changes while they are a welcome addition to the meta.


Missiles need to be fully effective against bare hulls of the appropriate class. (100% application of HM vs unfitted unboosted cruiser for example)
Missiles need to be fast enough to easily catch a MWD propelled ship of the appropriate class.

These are basic requirements that would be the design brief for anyone making a missile for shooting at cruisers for example. If it barely is faster than a cruiser under MWD, it's effective range vs that cruiser in anything except a head to head situation is massively reduced. I.E. Overtake velocity is important.
If the explosion velocity is lower than the bare hulls speed (no prop mod) then the missile won't be effective vs cruisers.
If the explosion radius is larger than cruisers, it also won't be effective.

So start from scratch on missile stats with those basic common sense design elements in mind, implants boosts & fittings will then be what mitigates damage, and these new modules, tp's & webs will then be what counteracts the implants, boosts & fittings. Damage may need reworking or it may not, but you have to start from a common sense position or you'll never get a good balance.

We would have liked to include disruption modules to go along with these enhancement modules but there are actually some technical hurdles we need to figure out and we didn't want to keep holding back on adding these in the mean time. Look for those sometime in the future.

Rise, have you thought about remote missile tracking enhancement?

anything about (new) skill requirements for these modules?

These should definitely be added. Might even add another special bonus to certain ships, as we currently have with the Scimitar and Oneiros.

HAM's are already incredibly powerful and does not need a buff.

So, rather than you guys delivering a full package, you decide to go for half a thing with a promise ( soon (tm) ) for a fix. How on eath is that delivering good game content?

Don't get me wrong, these mods are long overdue. But at least get some disruptions to go with it as well. For all I care buff Defender missiles so they actually do something.

Cause if these new disruptor mods take to long people will ask for a nerf bat, and we all know ccp swings that bat often and misses as much as hitting their mark....

Question in regards to the Golem.

Will the Golem remain bonuses to TPs?
If so, will it be better to use these, or TPs?
If not, will the Golem potentially be given other bonuses?

Seems like if you keep the TP bonus, it will either be useless, or a hendered option( having optimal and falloff).

Would like to know..

Question in regards to the Golem.

Will the Golem remain bonuses to TPs?
If so, will it be better to use these, or TPs?
If not, will the Golem potentially be given other bonuses?

Seems like if you keep the TP bonus, it will either be useless, or a hendered option( having optimal and falloff).

Would like to know..

156.25% PWNAGE 50% Bonus (e.g. Golem)
148.89% PWNAGE 50%
146.91% MGC II w/ Prec
140.77% MGC II w/ Prec
132.10% PWNAGE 50%
126.77% MGC II w/ Prec
115.92% PWNAGE 50%

Something to consider: while these modules have (current) paper stats better than a target painter for application, they also only affect your own damage. A target painter of course helps apply damage for everyone and everything in your fleet.

Now we need only some effective EWAR that works on missiles.

A word of warning: unlike optimal and falloff of guns, missile velocity and flight time are multiplicative when it comes to determining effective range. You can see how drastic it is when you look at how missile range is penalized for not having perfect skills (it helps that numbers given by skills are huge, but point stands).

Please consider this when determining effectiveness of missile scripts and overheating bonuses.

If I understand this correctly, you're stating 2 target painters followed by 2 missile guidance computers (scripted) should be the new meta on Golems vs. 3-4 target painters, yes?

If these are ready, why delay them? Put them in and let people use them while working on further balancing

Need details on the scripts for the MGCs but these things seem to have the potential to be quite overpowered if you just follow the pattern established with Tracking Computers and simply have the scripts double half the unscripted values while setting the other half to zero.

Indeed. Can you imagine what a Nemesis with 3 of these puppies, scripted for damage application and overheated on all modules, would do?

I know there could be stacking penalties -- so let's say 2 of them plus a target painter. Absolutely beautiful.

I meant brutal. Absolutely brutal.

I agree, but also keep in mind missiles are one of the few weapons that a ship, with speed, can increase the effective range my moving away from the missile ship and really fast ships can outrun the weapon all together.