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Jelly Heed	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:30:00 - [31] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Yarrr lmao you gotta be kiddin ?

Jiekon	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Oooh a Dev Response I can recreate the scenario with ease....its odd how you cant achieve it. My mate scrams me, I log off then log on with an alt from same account. And the ship vanishes. Even with a pvp timer. I will test it again today. The vid should not be your evidence btw ;) It would be very easy for you to look at the logs. And see that pilot log an alt in...oh well...back to ganking noobs in frustration As least they havent learnt ctrl+q yet I`ll gladly come and watch as you reproduce this as we have been unable to reproduce it on our test server at all. I know the video isn't evidence, but i was just saying that it doesn't show the whole picture. If you could log onto SISI and contact Jiekon2 when SISI comes back online after the update, we will sort out a test situation. ___________________________ ~Jiekon Known Issues Bug Reporting ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████

Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:58:00 - [33] Originally by: AnxietyAttack The whole ctrl q thing is prett ridiculous, if someone has to do that to survive in space, they should fk off bak to empire. You will never learn or improve if you ***** out everytime to save your precious intraweb spaceship, i mean come on, its a ship, take it like a man. It's not hard to look at the map to avoid hotspots, see where camps are and such. Cowards who do that should be podded in rl, and to be proud of it as well,, pathetic However those people that do that get away don't they, and ehile doing so they annoy the rest of the community. In other words, they win. It's lame I I think it should be fixed somehow. High-Sec/0.0 PvP Recruitment
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.25 12:16:00 - [34] Originally by: Jelly Heed Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Yarrr lmao you gotta be kiddin ? Kidding about the 3bil loss to that Frieghter pilot...I never kid about things like that...me hearty 2006.10.30 01:17 Victim: ****** Alliance: NONE Corp: FW Inc Destroyed: Obelisk System: Otsasai Security: 0.3 Involved parties: Name: Flinx Evenstar Security: -4.5 Alliance: NONE Corp: Momentum. Ship: Typhoon Weapon: 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher Name: ****** (laid the final blow) Security: -1.9 Alliance: NONE Corp: Momentum. Ship: Scorpion Weapon: Paradise Cruise Missile And btw...^^ he logged but his ship did not vanish Maybe he thought we couldnt tank that long. And thanks Jiekon, for looking into it, maybe he logged before we got the scram on him...I will kill him anothertime For the guys that agree that it is lame to log, I'm pretty sure my corp would kick members for logging off in fleet battle, and Outbreak will testify to that, as we took heavy losses to them trapped in their dictor bubble. We all fought to the death baby, and there was no smack 07
Jelly Heed	Posted - 2006.11.25 12:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Jelly Heed Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Yarrr lmao you gotta be kiddin ? Kidding about the 3bil loss to that Frieghter pilot...I never kid about things like that...me hearty 2006.10.30 01:17 Victim: ****** Alliance: NONE Corp: FW Inc Destroyed: Obelisk System: Otsasai Security: 0.3 Involved parties: Name: Flinx Evenstar Security: -4.5 Alliance: NONE Corp: Momentum. Ship: Typhoon Weapon: 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher Name: ****** (laid the final blow) Security: -1.9 Alliance: NONE Corp: Momentum. Ship: Scorpion Weapon: Paradise Cruise Missile And btw...^^ he logged but his ship did not vanish Maybe he thought we couldnt tank that long. And thanks Jiekon, for looking into it, maybe he logged before we got the scram on him...I will kill him anothertime For the guys that agree that it is lame to log, I'm pretty sure my corp would kick members for logging off in fleet battle, and Outbreak will testify to that, as we took heavy losses to them trapped in their dictor bubble. We all fought to the death baby, and there was no smack 07 omg you should maybe get out more
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.25 12:43:00 - [36] Originally by: Jelly Heed omg you should maybe get out more Ok, I see you are just here to troll now....very constructive btw ;) ...and brave posting with an alt. ( Probably that raven pilots alt ) Try having some fun...it wont hurt you
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.11.25 13:14:00 - [37] I'd just like to say cheers for the Dev response, good to know that the Devs are with the sane players on this one. Hope you get all the issues with loggers sorted out :) - - - - - - - - - - "PERGITE DEGUSTATE FORMOSUM BELLUM" Forward to taste the beautifull war. . .
Jelly Heed	Posted - 2006.11.25 13:17:00 - [38] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Jelly Heed omg you should maybe get out more Ok, I see you are just here to troll now....very constructive btw ;) ...and brave posting with an alt. ( Probably that raven pilots alt ) Try having some fun...it wont hurt you yeah fair play that statement was a bit low raven pilot ....no not me alt??? no reason just wen signed onto the forum let me choose any so i used this one as for bravery we are both here hiding behind avatar's so lets not go down the bravery road eh.... pvp is ok but F'kin someone over just because you can isnt brave or honourable pirate just another word for a thief a thief is a lowlife (virtual or real)
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.25 13:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Jelly Heed but F'kin someone over just because you can isnt brave or honourable pirate just another word for a thief a thief is a lowlife (virtual or real) no...killing someone just because you can is FUN...you should try it, now stop derailing my thread please. Create your own thread to moan about pirates....where's my parrot. Avast you sea dogs, time to set sail...I will try and block the scurvey ridden forum troll
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.25 13:45:00 - [40] Edited by: Krulla on 25/11/2006 13:49:38 Originally by: Jelly Heed but F'kin someone over just because you can isnt brave or honourable pirate just another word for a thief a thief is a lowlife (virtual or real) Ah, the good old pirates are bad people in RL argument. Okay, I'll settle this once and for all for you. Pirates are not bad people in real life, and I can prove it to you. I can prove it to you in three words. Alright? Ready? ... Here Goes. IT'S A GAME. In game, I shoot people because it's fun. I'm a bad person. Out of game, I love my friends, I love my girlfriend, I love my dog, I love my familiy, and I'm generally a rather nice, likeable person. So please, don't insult me by claiming that I'm a "lowlife" for doing things I enjoy in a game. The people I shoot and kill aren't real, they are just pixels on a screen, virtual, meaningless property owned by strangers I'll never see. We're not bad people. Those ships of yours we destroy are just a few bytes on a server somewhere in London, and have no value whatsoever outside of the boundaries of EvE Online. If you think otherwise, then frankly you have issues. Got that? Good. You're wrong, I'm right, have a nice day.
Jelly Heed	Posted - 2006.11.25 13:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Draconia Blackheart Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22 Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'... So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. ) If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship. Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!! ..Deal with it!! sorry but he's has a very valid point yeah it may be fun for you to take down an unprotected ship as pirates do.. ( yahh an all that...) but thats nothing in comparison to see you planning it only to get beaten by what you would call an exploit now that is funny he beat you get over it and go and have some fun taking down noobs ( because you can )
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.25 14:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Jelly Heed but thats nothing in comparison to see you planning it only to get beaten by what you would call an exploit By what he calls an exploit? It is a exploit. The only reasons the GMs can't punish people for it (This is what a GM told me in the past) is because you can't really control when people log on or off.
Quantum Joe	Posted - 2006.11.25 14:52:00 - [43] Aww, poor thing. A gate camp gone horribly wrong.. oh what to do. What ever will happen to the brainless pirates once 'warp to 0' is in. Since the I-win gate camp will not be available to you, you might as well learn your mining skills now.
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.25 15:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Jelly Heed sorry but he's has a very valid point yeah it may be fun for you to take down an unprotected ship as pirates do.. ( yahh an all that...) but thats nothing in comparison to see you planning it only to get beaten by what you would call an exploit now that is funny he beat you get over it and go and have some fun taking down noobs ( because you can ) Listen Jelly TRoll....you obviously have lost a ship recently and have a chip on your shoulder because you lack combat skills. UNPROTECTED...here you go again....It was a RAVEN!! I was in a Stabber (thats a cruiser btw) The pilot was a combat pilot. He was not unprotected...doh! He was hunting as was I. Now get a grip of yourself.....take a breath, and repeat over and over...piwats are ebil piwats are ebil. He did not beat anyone but himself, he LOGGED..then logged back in later....and out again, and then in and out....so he had a GREAT time. By chance we were in the same system on our return trip, when he logged in...and he immediately logged out. SO if thats what you call winning, I dont know what you are playing. IN the mean time we killed...oh check the killboard....lots Now that was FUN. SO please Jelly Troll....relax, you lost your ship to some ebil man, get over it and train harder and stop turning a valid suspected exploit thread into another pirate moan.....
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.25 15:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Quantum Joe Aww, poor thing. A gate camp gone horribly wrong.. oh what to do. What ever will happen to the brainless pirates once 'warp to 0' is in. Since the I-win gate camp will not be available to you, you might as well learn your mining skills now. Another Alt without a clue....It was not a gate camp.... Can u not read? We were in hostile alliance territory We were the ones in danger of being ganked. THis was not low sec piracy, it is raids on alliance space. Try reading the odd post. And btw warp to zero wont change a thing...if you know anything at all...you will know you get most kills by jumping after your victim...if he in BS...you will have him locked and scrammed easy. and cough warp bubbles And the day I pay to watch a rock on screen is the day I'm ready for my slippers. You miners Watching rocks all day
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.25 15:56:00 - [46] Edited by: Blind Man on 25/11/2006 16:00:21 I'm sorry but it IS POSSIBLE to dissapear just like in that video. if someone jumps into a system, and then they log off before they uncloak.. you can web and scram them and they sit there and take damage but after (43 seconds or so) they will dissapear into thin air. this has happend to me many times especially with freighters in low sec and it works every time. edit: need a timer after jump in of 1-2 mins where even if you log off should someone aggro you, you stay in space Sig removed.\o/ It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.25 15:57:00 - [47] Edited by: Plutoinum on 25/11/2006 16:06:41 Originally by: Draconia Blackheart Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22 Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'... So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. ) If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship. Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!! ..Deal with it!! Grats to not understanding the game ... or playing by the motto: 'I don't like the rules, so I cheat.' Like it has been said before, bad odds and hopeless situations are part of the game. Either you avoid them or you have to deal with them. But logging off is just cheating to avoid the consequences. Hopefully it gets solved somehow like it has been promised by the devs. If you don't play to stupid, you can live in EVE without using means like logging off. The occasinal loss is part of the game, the goal is to keep losses low ( but not by cheating ) Fighting in EVE is like war, crime etc. in RL, especially not fair, but unlike in RL there is a 'safety net'. Your character will stay, no matter what happens and you can't lose all your stuff, if you want to avoid it. Sorry, that EVE pvp usually doesn't match the honorable medieval knight vs. knight pvp that you have in mind, but EVE is a world with virtual crime, virtual war, virtual piracy etc. and sometimes just a bit shooty shooty for fun. The goal is to make a living in this world, on the good side, bad side or somewhere in the middle, how you like, which is always possible without cheating. If I jump into a bubble with 40 hostiles around, I usually think: 'Crap.' and then I try to make the best out of my situation. If I'm not in a covert ops or ceptor, there is usually no real alternative to dying and then I just do that: I die ! Then I think another time 'Crap', update my clone, if I have the isk, otherwise I borough some (grin at corp mates) and then I look into the future, since I can't change the death anyway. Time to get a new ship, new isk, fight back, whatever. Well, I stop, most non-pvp folk don't understand it anyway. Nevertheless EVE is the harsh pvp game for everyone. Doesn't matter, if you like it. If you don't want to get killed, adapt your playstyle, but use in-game means. Btw.: A 7 vs. 1 gank is fair game by the EVE rules. Imagine some soldiers, gangsters etc.: 'No, we can't attack him with 7, that's not nice. He should have a fair chance.' Yes, would fit nicely into a harsh universe. Gangsters/Soldiers, who behave like idiots, give their opponent a big gun, want a 1-on-1 and get shot. So what would someone do in RL, if he knew about the dangers and unfair opponents ? He prepairs, takes care, tries to avoid the situation, keep losses low. That's how I play EVE. It's a strategy game ( and it is supposed to work without logging off to escape ) P.S.: I don't have anything against vs. 1-on-1, but it's a consentual thing. If both want it, ok, if not then not, then you have to fight the 1 vs. 10 odds or whatever. That's EVE. CTD/con-loss vs. regular log-out. A proposal ...
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.25 16:02:00 - [48] Originally by: Blind Man I'm sorry Jeikon but you are wrong. if someone jumps into a system, and then they log off before they uncloak.. you can web and scram them and they sit there and take damage but after (43 seconds or so) they will dissapear into thin air. this has happend to me many times especially with freighters in low sec and it works every time. edit: need a timer after jump in of 1-2 mins where even if you log off should someone aggro you, you stay in space He's not wrong, and nor are you. You are talking about different things. He is saying (completely correctly) that logging in another character on the same account does not make the first disappear. However, if you log off before uncloaking, you disappear after 30seconds-1minute no mattar what. This is what you are talking about. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.25 16:19:00 - [49] Logging off is not cheating!
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.25 16:45:00 - [50] Originally by: Fubear Logging off is not cheating! logging off to avoid consequences is. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:24:00 - [51] Originally by: Verus Potestas He's not wrong, and nor are you. You are talking about different things. He is saying (completely correctly) that logging in another character on the same account does not make the first disappear. However, if you log off before uncloaking, you disappear after 30seconds-1minute no mattar what. This is what you are talking about. yeah i reread it and changed the post :P Sig removed.\o/ It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.25 19:38:00 - [52] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 25/11/2006 19:38:16 Originally by: Fubear Logging off is not cheating! I never said it was, although I still think that if thats the pilots best tactic, he may need to go back and do the tutorial again What I thought this pilot did, was the Alt Char swap trick to bypass the pvp counter. But if Jiekon ( A Dev, and he might know what he is talking about )says that this is no longer possible..then I accept that. The guy must have logged while still in cloak, as I jumped through the gate after him. End of. So have fun all, I very rarely post on this forum, and I dont accuse people of exploits for no reason. In this case I am wrong. All he did was log while cloaked...not an exploit... btw...I do sometimes hunt in empire...and the only people I pod there are the guys that logged, just a little bit too slow I like them to log back into a nice warm clone vat
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.25 19:43:00 - [53] I don't like to bring wow into this but whenever you are in combat be it, npc or pvp you get message saying you can't do that right now when you try to log out. I tried it once when i played wow, the doorbell rang and i had to log out but i couldn't. Just implement the same system here? [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:17:00 - [54] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I don't like to bring wow into this but whenever you are in combat be it, npc or pvp you get message saying you can't do that right now when you try to log out. I tried it once when i played wow, the doorbell rang and i had to log out but i couldn't. Just implement the same system here? Just make it so when you're wrap scrambled by a player or bubble, you don't warp out of it, that'll deal with 99% of the logout exploits. Also put a delay on warping back to your previous position when you relog, so that login traps don't work. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Draconia Blackheart Disciples of the Underverse	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:33:00 - [55] Call me a coward..see if I bloody care..If I am losing and I can save my ship SCREW YOU!!! if you don't like it.. I have seen logging off dosen't get you out of battle, you just normally 'warp out' and it takes that long after you quit. Nuff Said... ---
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:52:00 - [56] Logoff is about the stupidest thing in EVE. CCP might as well add a little button on the left bar called "/non-pvp". --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.11.26 00:50:00 - [57] I know how to fix logging off.... simple... eh hem... ... any time someone logs off in space they get a menu of two options... 1. LOG OFF UNSAFE (threat in area), where ALL game mechanics get broken and you safely warp away. When you do this you get your ship out intact and at a safe spot. However, you lose ALL your cargo and mods. They get jetted at the point of logoff. Seems fair if you are logging to save yourself from dying. 2. LOG OFF SAFE (default and current mechanics) This option lets you log but ALL game mechanics hold for a 30 second timer. You take the risk of losing your ship. This is also the default from a CTD.
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:38:00 - [58] Originally by: Draconia Blackheart Call me a coward..see if I bloody care..If I am losing and I can save my ship SCREW YOU!!! if you don't like it.. I have seen logging off dosen't get you out of battle, you just normally 'warp out' and it takes that long after you quit. Nuff Said... Remind me to add you to my address book....but once again. This is not about logging off. You cowards can do it any time you want. For the hard of reading...once again, this was about swapping to alt to avoid pvp counter once you have been engaged. Try reading other peoples posts...you might learn something other than..omg hit ctrl+q I must save my imaginary wallet.
Noomee	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:58:00 - [59] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte Originally by: Fubear Logging off is not cheating! logging off to avoid consequences is. No it's not... Are you saying that if I'm attacked by a fleet of pirates with ships that clearly outmatch mine in such a way I wouldn't even have time to lock on them before being destroyed, that I should NOT log-off and watch them destroy my very expensive ship and lose my precious cargo just because it's "not fair" for them that I log-out or it's being a "coward"? If you can do it without using hacks, then I don't see how it can be considered cheating. It's rather smart and wise... "Live to fight another day" you know...
Draconia Blackheart Disciples of the Underverse	Posted - 2006.11.26 04:29:00 - [60] Originally by: Noomee No it's not... Are you saying that if I'm attacked by a fleet of pirates with ships that clearly outmatch mine in such a way I wouldn't even have time to lock on them before being destroyed, that I should NOT log-off and watch them destroy my very expensive ship and lose my precious cargo just because it's "not fair" for them that I log-out or it's being a "coward"? If you can do it without using hacks, then I don't see how it can be considered cheating. It's rather smart and wise... "Live to fight another day" you know... Yes, the people here expect you to let yourself be blown up..dont try argueing or debating...play your game the way YOU want to play it and screw these people, THEY aren't paying your monthly sub! IMHO the can call me a wuss, a coward and a sinner..I could care less ---

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