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Blind Man
Caldari
Kemono.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 17:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Unfamed
And please add -500k SP penalty when being podded if you're logged off.
lol best idea ever
Sig removed.\o/
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Jacob Cerathi
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.26 17:17:00 -
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Not that I really want to jump in this particular debate, but this reply amuses me:
Quote:
No matter what kind of clone you have, luckily the game doesn't sell insurance for balls. Force ppl to grow them.
Why does this only ever apply to the people *getting* ganked, and not the people ganking? :p
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Jelly Heed
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Posted - 2006.11.26 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 26/11/2006 16:50:26
jelly heed .. one question - did we play yesterday "risk" together??
edit: typo in names 4tl!
edit2: added link for better understanding
ahh the penny has dropped
no we didnt
i can see what yr getting at no
i dont behave in such a way not played risk for many years chess on the other hand i do
now the funny thing about chess is i refuse to play someone who isnt in with a good chance of beating me if i take em in four moves i learn nothing i never improve
on the other side of the coin if someone is far superior to me and doesnt give me a the oportunity to learn to play and just kicks the sh*t outta me everytime and then starts jumping about like he's some sort of hero
then i learn nothing and quite frankly i very much doubt im gonna put myself back in such a position
if ya think you may of taken me down yesterday i am sorry to dissapoint you but it wasnt me
i did get turned over a few days ago but that was sloppy my own fault...
and thats the only kill right i have (so that makes it 1 in the last 30 days right?)
i dont have a chip on my shoulder i dont have an axe to grind
i just dont like seeing the little guy f'ked over in rl or in game
there is a reason people choose to ctrl q and i dont blame em hence my stand in this thread plus im pretty bored with the game so im just venting frustration.
all im saying is ctrl Q is no more unsporting then the methods used by the the so called pirates
so fair play ( or not as the name of the game is, when it comes to EVE)
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.26 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 26/11/2006 18:08:57
Originally by: Jelly Heed
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 26/11/2006 16:50:26
jelly heed .. one question - did we play yesterday "risk" together??
edit: typo in names 4tl!
edit2: added link for better understanding
ahh the penny has dropped
no we didnt
i can see what yr getting at no
i dont behave in such a way not played risk for many years chess on the other hand i do
now the funny thing about chess is i refuse to play someone who isnt in with a good chance of beating me if i take em in four moves i learn nothing i never improve
on the other side of the coin if someone is far superior to me and doesnt give me a the oportunity to learn to play and just kicks the sh*t outta me everytime and then starts jumping about like he's some sort of hero
then i learn nothing and quite frankly i very much doubt im gonna put myself back in such a position
if ya think you may of taken me down yesterday i am sorry to dissapoint you but it wasnt me
i did get turned over a few days ago but that was sloppy my own fault...
and thats the only kill right i have (so that makes it 1 in the last 30 days right?)
i dont have a chip on my shoulder i dont have an axe to grind
i just dont like seeing the little guy f'ked over in rl or in game
there is a reason people choose to ctrl q and i dont blame em hence my stand in this thread plus im pretty bored with the game so im just venting frustration.
all im saying is ctrl Q is no more unsporting then the methods used by the the so called pirates
so fair play ( or not as the name of the game is, when it comes to EVE)
a fair point.
but i have to say - EVE has less common with chess than risk. (i know - i used comparisons to chess allready in some of my posts - but now i think they are not the best available comparison)
why?
chess is a pre-set 1v1 environment with limited ressources/units - you can only lose units.
risk is a FFA environment with no pre-set limit of ressources and different ways to get different amounts of units.
while the first only depends on actual tactics - for the second you need a strategy (a overall plan adding the different objectives of ALL other players into the picture), good diplomatics and also a sense for tactics (when to engage and when not to fulfil one certain sub-objective).
while in chess there's no way that you end outgunned (you don't have enough units for your plan) without doing something wrong or outnumbered (remember it's a pre-set 1v1) , in risk you can end up outgunned (your opponent has more units than you) AND outnumbered (your opponent is not one player but an alliance of players) only by not planing ahead.
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Weirda
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.26 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'...
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If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship.
Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!!
..Deal with it!!
you see - this is what have Weirda puzzled, especially part in bold.
IWHO - it is fine for you to disappear 'in a flash' using in-game mechanic. The developer of EVE set out to make a world where loss mean something, where it have consequence. 'logoffski' mechanic is broken game mechanic and just that. in programming world, all action taken by software must be deterministic. without proper input, you cannot 'determine' proper outcome. the problem of disconnect vs. someone logoff (forcably quit game) cannot be made by remote server, so they have kludge in place to try to strike balance between real disconnection and intentional.
intentional disconnection completely break spirit of game they set out to create. happy or not, you are SUPPOSED to have to rebuild you ship/whatever when something "BadÖ" happen. Gate camp are fair is not really the point.
Using these type of mechanic is like using gutter bumper when bowling, the ball was supposed to go out of play, but it bounce back in... that is great for children, but not for people who are serious about bowling. (plus - never get good at bowling without getting a few gutterballs!) 
Originally by: Jelly Heed
sorry but he's has a very valid point
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but thats nothing in comparison to see you planning it only to get beaten by what you would call an exploit
now that is funny
he beat you get over it and go and have some fun taking down noobs ( because you can )
his point is only valid if you don't believe that there should be Danger and Accomplishment in EVE. if you use mechanic like this, you may never learn to 'run' or even 'fight' for real. you then miss out on big part of EVE: frustration (and fear) of loss lend to sense of accomplishment when you DON'T.
Weirda have lot of friend in-game... 'carebear', pirate, pvper, label 22, etc... they just pilot who enjoy different playstyle. most are the same as people - but liking different playstyle a lot like liking different kind of music. it is subjective. in the end though - the spirit (dirty gritty HARD) of EVE give you the crazy shakes/adreneline/excitement when you face the game w/o Gutter Bumper. you may not like what gate camper do, but they provide HUMAN CHALLENGE.
there is no need (from any side) for 'holier then thou' attitude of who should live/die/succeed/fail. it is sad though when we don't all try to follow the same rule and then flame about it with ad homenim forum attack.
if the above two quotes really (REALLY) believe the horse they sitting on, they will be nothing but VICTIMS in EVE, and eventually own frustration will undo them. Weirda recommend (for you enjoyment - not for Weirda) that you join PVP University, Agony Unleashed, or hell even QotSA for a bit. Fly cheap ships, take RISKS and have a GOOD TIME with stepping into a trap (and living) rather then being disgusted by it and logging off. You may feel that you have 'won the fight' by living, but you have lost the game if you have to close the application to 'win'.
there is not one person Weirda know who haven't honestly given the above suggestion a shot and not LOVED it. for the sake of the RL $ you spend every month, give it a try. for real! you will thank Weirda later! 
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Weirda
Join QotSA
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 26/11/2006 19:00:21
Originally by: Bastogne
No matter what you do to escape from pirates they will cry & cry about it. This morning I lead a gang off to hunt down a couple of pirates that have caused my corp frequent troubles. One logged and one perma-docked in a low-sec station. Of course if we used either of those tactics to save our hides they would throw such a huge fit as to how we were exploiting.
Yes...I might even fraps it and make a thread on it
When you lead gangs, do you practice the log off log on log off drill....
It is easy enough to insta pop a tackler and warp out while laughing in local.
I wasnt going to name you...but if you are fool enough to post in this thread then lie about using lame tactics when there is a video of you doing it.
And btw...I am not a pirate...we call people we shoot pirates, and when I shoot people, they call me a pirate. I have never ransomed...I just kill the pod for free 
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Unfamed II
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.27 00:05:00 -
[97]
2006.09.05 08:43:14SHUTDOWN [xxxx]connection lost
2006.09.05 08:43:15STARTUP [xxxx]
2006.09.05 08:43:24SHUTDOWN [xxxx]
2006.09.05 09:58:19SHUTDOWN [xxxx]connection lost
2006.09.05 09:58:19STARTUP [xxxx]
2006.09.05 10:00:47SHUTDOWN [xxxx]User requesting close.
2006.09.05 13:47:56STARTUP [xxxx]
This is copied from \Eve\logs\history.txt
Dunno if eve makes difference between conn loss and quit or not tho.
Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
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Falconius Karde
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.27 00:49:00 -
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I lost an Obelisk the other day. I'm no stranger to low sec travel, my ship and I regularly make forays into dangerous territory and I've been shot at a few times and made it out due to apropriate planning and precautions. I had just got home from a 13 hour work day, was tired, exhausted and obviously not thinking clearly. Despite instas and a (non-alt) scout I made a series of bad decisions and payed the price. I could have easily saved the ship using the discussed tactics but the other guys had been waiting 3 and a half hours, logged in, just to get me. Does my yearly subscription give me the right to waste over 3 hours of their time because I'm not man enough to accept the consequences of my mistakes? I don't think so - I've been on the receiving end of log-outs too and it is a slap in the face to see a well executed plan become a well executed waste of skilled pilot time because the target "kicks over the table". So I sat there and hoped that the allied carrier in system could provide support in time. It couldn't and I warped out in a pod to cheering in local. 4 hours building time on a replacement ship is your excuse? Pathetic. You could have at least taken some of them with you and done your alliance a service.
Believe it or not you signed up for a game with cut-throat competition, risk, and a harsh penalty for messing up. If you can't handle that you should either stick to safe space or play a game with a less harsh death-penalty, otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time. If I was to catch someone in my corp using Ctrl+Q to avoid facing the consequences of their actions their ass would be out the door in an instant. On the other hand if the other guys are using a log-in trap, Ctrl+Q away by all means. Fight fire with fire.
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.27 01:29:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 27/11/2006 01:31:55
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 27/11/2006 01:30:14
Originally by: Unfamed II
2006.09.05 08:43:14SHUTDOWN [xxxx]connection lost
2006.09.05 08:43:15STARTUP [xxxx]
2006.09.05 08:43:24SHUTDOWN [xxxx]
2006.09.05 09:58:19SHUTDOWN [xxxx]connection lost
2006.09.05 09:58:19STARTUP [xxxx]
2006.09.05 10:00:47SHUTDOWN [xxxx]User requesting close.
2006.09.05 13:47:56STARTUP [xxxx]
This is copied from \Eve\logs\history.txt
Dunno if eve makes difference between conn loss and quit or not tho.
Yes...but how often does that happen when your are in combat
Genuine connection drops happen.....but its odd how people "lose connection" in warp bubbles ALL the time.
My issue here is resolved...the pilot logged out, big deal, I wasnt going to name him...but then he lies about it, even when u can see his name on vid
So I'm happy...named and shamed coward, thats "claims" to hunt pirates oh my sides..
As for Falconius. Total respect. I dont blame Freighters for logging, after all you cant fight back (unlike a Raven) and the isk involved is huge. I have killed frieghters and cost corps billions of isk damage...they did log, but not before my scram got them ;)
However, you stayed, and did your best. It takes a long time to kill an Obelisk and you tried to call in support.
That is how the game is played.
I podded a freighter pilot for trying to log out, it cost me a lot of sec, but I live in 0.0, so I got it back pretty quick
btw...the event I posted in the first place happened in 0.0, not low sec.
And before I get accused of being a ganking pirate again, I was running a gang in hostile alliance space, avoiding an alliance fleet and killing with pleasure 
Over 4 days our corp crippled an alliance
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=431596
So dont accuse me of picking on defenceless targets
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Falconius Karde
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.27 03:33:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
btw...the event I posted in the first place happened in 0.0, not low sec.
And before I get accused of being a ganking pirate again, I was running a gang in hostile alliance space, avoiding an alliance fleet and killing with pleasure
Oh yeah I understood that, hence my comment about taking some of you with him and doing his alliance a service. I felt it was still relevant. Fortunately I don't have a similair experiences to relate from 0.0; so far it's been fleet travel or successful solo runs, including one hair-raising run 30 jumps to the nearest clone station after realising I'd been fighting for a week with a base clone!
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Draconia Blackheart
Disciples of the Underverse
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Posted - 2006.11.27 07:52:00 -
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I get told everything is fair.. ganking in high sec, attacking lone ships with a fleet, camping, any other foul, dishourable, unfair act you can think of ..becuase its PvP..
Well, I will try to save my ship anyway I can when I'm losing. I am not going to just sit there and let you pod me when you are using every dirty trick in the book...BECAUSE as fair as everyone is concerned its all PvP..and everything is fair..
But you not allowed to get away..what a bunch of hypocrites!
Nuff Said..
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