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Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.25 03:27:00 - [1] This is it not the first time I've seen this trick, but it is the first time I caught it on fraps Our inteceptor jumps in and scrams the Raven...myself and an assault frig add some more scram to it....what happens next? http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0611/ravenvanish.mpg Before you say "logging off is acceptable"...this is not standard ctrl+q. Its logging off then logging in an alt on the same client. The ship just vanishes. I think we should just name and shame pilots using this tactic, as nothing seems to ever be done about it. This was 0.0 space, dont come down here if you dont want people to shoot back at you... Raven pilot, maybe your ceo would like to see you in action, so he knows the calibre of his pilots Maybe I'm out of touch, but does anyone think this is acceptable?
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.25 03:40:00 - [2] its not and has been argued over a lot. also he is just logging off before you get the agrro timer on him and can dissapear Sig removed.\o/ It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Dao 2 Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.25 05:06:00 - [3] Originally by: Blind Man its not and has been argued over a lot. also he is just logging off before you get the agrro timer on him and can dissapear no the ship still warps away ;p u see it actually warp away >< ;p but if he does as he described it disappears like npcs ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.25 05:44:00 - [4] What the OP mentioned does exist, and let's be honest, it's one thing for a GM to say they can't 'prove' a player logged out to save themself. It's another if 10 seconds later an alt on that accoutn logs in and removes the main from the game. I'd petition it TBH because there's no way a GM cannot see such information. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Awox Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.25 05:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia What the OP mentioned does exist, and let's be honest, it's one thing for a GM to say they can't 'prove' a player logged out to save themself. It's another if 10 seconds later an alt on that accoutn logs in and removes the main from the game. I'd petition it TBH because there's no way a GM cannot see such "Logging information. It's not an exploit to log out or into the game at any time for any reason... says one of the wonderful GMs. snip Discussing moderation/ linking to flamebait is a no-no. Read the forum rules before reposting. If you have any questions, email us at [email protected] Tirg
Draconia Blackheart Disciples of the Underverse	Posted - 2006.11.25 06:00:00 - [6] Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22 Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'... So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. ) If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship. Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!! ..Deal with it!! ---
Contralto Gallente Three Stars Research Labs	Posted - 2006.11.25 07:04:00 - [7] Well said and seconded.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.25 07:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Draconia Blackheart Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22 Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'... So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. ) If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship. Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!! ..Deal with it!! the name of the game is "not get caught in the first place by using your brain" ... and not: "don't get caught by using out-of-game mechanics because you ****** up" ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Bewl Infinite Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.25 07:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte the name of the GAME is "not get caught in the first place by using your brain" ... and not: "don't get caught by using out-of-game mechanics because you ****** up" Its a GAME for crying out loud. If someone who pays the same amount as you do to play this GAME, then what gives you the right on how to dictate how he plays the GAME. TBH, I'll ctrl-q whenever the heck I feel like it.
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:16:00 - [10] It's a very tough one to call (mechanics wise). How do you police logging in and out of the game? Myself Ctrl-Q doesn't even enter my head. I'd rather save my ship (or not) by my piloting skill, and not by game mechanics. That said I have had some crashes at nopportune moments, and my corp mates can attest to this as it has happened while doing pvp training, but the extra RAM and better graphics card I'm getting at christmass should solve that particular problem . That said I have never cheated in an online game, as it spoils my fun, and interferes with the reasons I play. For the record, I play for fun, not to win. Of course this is only going to get worse after Kali with the HP increase. Now instead of increasing combat time, it's increasing the time people have to log out That and constantly whining about people doing it, means that more people will know about it and do it! Akkarin <3 - Immy
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Bewl Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte the name of the GAME is "not get caught in the first place by using your brain" ... and not: "don't get caught by using out-of-game mechanics because you ****** up" Its a GAME for crying out loud. If someone who pays the same amount as you do to play this GAME, then what gives you the right on how to dictate how he plays the GAME. TBH, I'll ctrl-q whenever the heck I feel like it. ... i don't dictate him when to log out or not ... but it shouldn't be possible to avoid consequences of actions (or their lack of) by logging out. you didn't look at the map before you jumped into 0.0? deal with it - try to run/fight though you might die in the process. you didn't keep an eye on local and a pirate "surprised" you in the belt? deal with it - either you fight him off or you die. there are rules in a game that need to be respected. dealing with the consequences of your actions (or the lack of them) is imho one of these rules. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Awox Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Bewl Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte the name of the GAME is "not get caught in the first place by using your brain" ... and not: "don't get caught by using out-of-game mechanics because you ****** up" Its a GAME for crying out loud. If someone who pays the same amount as you do to play this GAME, then what gives you the right on how to dictate how he plays the GAME. TBH, I'll ctrl-q whenever the heck I feel like it. The fact that you can Ctrl-Q as a time savour gives you the impression you can waste other people time. If a group of people setup to secure a system you shouldn't be able to jump in and disappear to come back when they've ran out of RL time, that they invest in the game, just like you. Of course you can, because CCP prefer $$$ to having a clean game where people have to actually use their head. Hah, and the panel at fanfest said they weren't trying to dumb-down EVE-Online.. snip Discussing moderation/ linking to flamebait is a no-no. Read the forum rules before reposting. If you have any questions, email us at [email protected] Tirg
Jelly Heed	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Draconia Blackheart Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22 Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'... So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. ) If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship. Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!! ..Deal with it!! this has to be the first time i have ever read anything worth reading on this forum you have well and truly hit the nail on the head............... virtual mercenarys and virtual pirates (no doubt real world carebears) moaning about "unsporting behavior" and this one's my all time favourite "NO HONOUR" LMFAO you dont atack unless the odds are well and truly in your favour you want to populate 0.0 space easy............... learn what HONOUR actually means then put it into practice.......................
trimdonite	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:26:00 - [14]
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Draconia Blackheart Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!! ..Deal with it!! You obviously didnt watch it...I'm in a stabber attacking a Raven in a cruiser gang....hardly a super gank. And yes I can deal with it I got many kills that night And this may suprise you, some actually fought back. This is more than Ctrl+q, its then logging in an ALT on the same account. The ship vanishes, it doesnt warp. I wish the GM's would "Deal with it" as you put it It IS possible to get away without using lame tactics
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:58:00 - [16] Two people are sitting playing a game of chess (or any other board game of your choice). One is absolutely wtfpwning the other. When the latter realises this, he kicks the board over to forcibly end the game. When the former complains about this, the response from the latter is along the lines of: Originally by: Draconia Blackheart Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22 Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'... So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. ) If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship. Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!! ..Deal with it!! The former then pulls out a handgun and empties it into the vital organs of the latter. At least, that's how it ends in my happy world. ---------- IBTL \o/ It's great being in ur forums mixing ur memes, ain't it?
Vestas Flaker	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:04:00 - [17] Watch carefully, that raven clearly warps away, it did not vanish! just hard to see with bad frame rate
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Vestas Flaker Watch carefully, that raven clearly warps away, it did not vanish! just hard to see with bad frame rate errr what You are kidding right I think I can tell the difference when I play the game my friend, between a warp and a vanish. Part of my job is to watch where they warp to...and yes I'm good
AnxietyAttack Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:14:00 - [19] The whole ctrl q thing is prett ridiculous, if someone has to do that to survive in space, they should fk off bak to empire. You will never learn or improve if you ***** out everytime to save your precious intraweb spaceship, i mean come on, its a ship, take it like a man. It's not hard to look at the map to avoid hotspots, see where camps are and such. Cowards who do that should be podded in rl, and to be proud of it as well,, pathetic Kiss it
Jelly Heed	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:32:00 - [20] Originally by: AnxietyAttack The whole ctrl q thing is prett ridiculous, if someone has to do that to survive in space, they should fk off bak to empire. You will never learn or improve if you ***** out everytime to save your precious intraweb spaceship, i mean come on, its a ship, take it like a man. It's not hard to look at the map to avoid hotspots, see where camps are and such. Cowards who do that should be podded in rl, and to be proud of it as well,, pathetic read what you have just written and the tone in which you have done so......... now where do you think we should apply the word "PATHETIC" well done.......
itsabird	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:43:00 - [21] Originally by: Jelly Heed Originally by: AnxietyAttack The whole ctrl q thing is prett ridiculous, if someone has to do that to survive in space, they should fk off bak to empire. You will never learn or improve if you ***** out everytime to save your precious intraweb spaceship, i mean come on, its a ship, take it like a man. It's not hard to look at the map to avoid hotspots, see where camps are and such. Cowards who do that should be podded in rl, and to be proud of it as well,, pathetic read what you have just written and the tone in which you have done so......... now where do you think we should apply the word "PATHETIC" well done....... Right after the "is" when you say "Jelly Heed is"
Jelly Heed	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:54:00 - [22] Edited by: Jelly Heed on 25/11/2006 10:59:18 Right after the "is" when you say "Jelly Heed is" lol and i thought this game was played mainly by adults..................
chromer one FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Draconia Blackheart Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22 Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'... So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. ) If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship. Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!! ..Deal with it!! If you fly alone bs in 0.0 you are sure inviting people to gank you. and tbh raven can handle quite a bunch of ships attacking. Your way of gaming is like playing with dice's with only 6's on em. so you just wouldn't loose. Well sometimes in this game some people loose. too bad that some cant take it. Im happy that age comes with wishdom.
Balklanac The Wicked and Wise	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:56:00 - [24] Happened two nighst ago on a t2 transport, ship just went poof I am still coming to grips as to what it was carrying....lesson bring more firepower. Personally I cant blame the people in the heat of the moment, its up to CCP to reign this in. --------- I would love to see a bounty pilot get some friend or an alt to pod them to collect the isk if that resulted in a two week delay before their 'personality' was uploaded to a new clone.

Jiekon	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Before you say "logging off is acceptable"...this is not standard ctrl+q. Its logging off then logging in an alt on the same client. The ship just vanishes. Hi all. We know that logging off during combat is extremely lame and annoying, it happens to most of us when we are out PvP-ing too. I just wanted to reply to this topic and let you know that the above exploit doesn't actually work. We have tested this many, many times in house using all sorts of "tricks" and it just doesn't work. Unfortunately the video file you created doesn't show 1) the start of combat and 2) him logging off. Players will dissapear after a set amount of time, just like it shows in teh video if he logs off BEFORE combat has been initiated. ___________________________ ~Jiekon Known Issues Bug Reporting ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████

NotNowKato Gallente Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:15:00 - [26] Edited by: NotNowKato on 25/11/2006 11:28:25 But if your already scramming them and shooting then ctrl + q and logging in an alt shouldnt do anything?
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Jelly Heed this has to be the first time i have ever read anything worth reading on this forum you have well and truly hit the nail on the head............... virtual mercenarys and virtual pirates (no doubt real world carebears) moaning about "unsporting behavior" and this one's my all time favourite "NO HONOUR" LMFAO you dont atack unless the odds are well and truly in your favour you want to populate 0.0 space easy............... learn what HONOUR actually means then put it into practice....................... Ok...not sure what you are talking about really. This is about abusing game mechanics. Now you want to stereotype Virtual mercenaries as "real world care bears" lmfao, of course virtual care bears are all firefighters in R/L. Whats this populate 0.0...get a clue. That vid was in ALLIANCE space, its heavily populated. We were a small gang raiding a hostile alliance's systems. We were doing hit and runs, as the alliance fleet tried to find us. Odds in our favour?!! I dont mine, I dont trade, I just kill. I have 96 kills this month so far, so I know a little about combat, and when u see a ship vanish like that...it kind of stands out. So please dont make assumptions, and post about things you know nothing about. And yes I will moan about unsporting behaviour, in all sports, there are rules, and cheaters usually get found out And if you think that throwing your teddy out of the pram and logging when u in trouble is fine, then you sir, have no honour. Strange how all these people have "real life" issues ONLY when the are scrambled at a belt...or in a warp bubble...hmmm odd that. Oh and to wind up the carebears...I ganked an Obelisk in 0.3sec while tanking the gates. Not easy at all...it dropped no loot...but it was carrying over 2Bil in fuel and ships...Yarrr

Jiekon	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:28:00 - [28] Originally by: NotNowKato But if your already scramming them and shooting then ctrl + q and logging in an alt shouldnt do anything? If you initiate combat by webbing and scrambling, then he logs off and logs on an alt, he stays in space. ___________________________ ~Jiekon Known Issues Bug Reporting ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████

Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:28:00 - [29] Oooh a Dev Response I can recreate the scenario with ease....its odd how you cant achieve it. My mate scrams me, I log off then log on with an alt from same account. And the ship vanishes. Even with a pvp timer. I will test it again today. The vid should not be your evidence btw ;) It would be very easy for you to look at the logs. And see that pilot log an alt in...oh well...back to ganking noobs in frustration As least they havent learnt ctrl+q yet
NotNowKato Gallente Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:29:00 - [30] Thanks for confirming that Jiekon that was my understanding also.

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