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Flinx Evenstar
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Posted - 2006.11.25 03:27:00 -
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This is it not the first time I've seen this trick, but it is the first time I caught it on fraps
Our inteceptor jumps in and scrams the Raven...myself and an assault frig add some more scram to it....what happens next?
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0611/ravenvanish.mpg
Before you say "logging off is acceptable"...this is not standard ctrl+q. Its logging off then logging in an alt on the same client. The ship just vanishes.
I think we should just name and shame pilots using this tactic, as nothing seems to ever be done about it.
This was 0.0 space, dont come down here if you dont want people to shoot back at you...
Raven pilot, maybe your ceo would like to see you in action, so he knows the calibre of his pilots 
Maybe I'm out of touch, but does anyone think this is acceptable?
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Blind Man
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.25 03:40:00 -
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its not and has been argued over a lot. also he is just logging off before you get the agrro timer on him and can dissapear 
Sig removed.\o/
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Dao 2
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.25 05:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Blind Man
its not and has been argued over a lot. also he is just logging off before you get the agrro timer on him and can dissapear
no the ship still warps away ;p u see it actually warp away >< ;p but if he does as he described it disappears like npcs ;p
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.25 05:44:00 -
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What the OP mentioned does exist, and let's be honest, it's one thing for a GM to say they can't 'prove' a player logged out to save themself.
It's another if 10 seconds later an alt on that accoutn logs in and removes the main from the game. I'd petition it TBH because there's no way a GM cannot see such information.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Awox
Finite Horizon
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.25 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
What the OP mentioned does exist, and let's be honest, it's one thing for a GM to say they can't 'prove' a player logged out to save themself.
It's another if 10 seconds later an alt on that accoutn logs in and removes the main from the game. I'd petition it TBH because there's no way a GM cannot see such "Logging information.
It's not an exploit to log out or into the game at any time for any reason... says one of the wonderful GMs.
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Draconia Blackheart
Disciples of the Underverse
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Posted - 2006.11.25 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22
Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'...
So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. )
If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship.
Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!!
..Deal with it!!
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Contralto
Gallente
Three Stars Research Labs
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Posted - 2006.11.25 07:04:00 -
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Well said and seconded.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.25 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22
Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'...
So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. )
If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship.
Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!!
..Deal with it!!
the name of the game is "not get caught in the first place by using your brain" ... and not: "don't get caught by using out-of-game mechanics because you ****** up"
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Bewl
Infinite Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.25 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
the name of the GAME is "not get caught in the first place by using your brain" ... and not: "don't get caught by using out-of-game mechanics because you ****** up"
Its a GAME for crying out loud. If someone who pays the same amount as you do to play this GAME, then what gives you the right on how to dictate how he plays the GAME. TBH, I'll ctrl-q whenever the heck I feel like it.
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Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.25 08:16:00 -
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It's a very tough one to call (mechanics wise). How do you police logging in and out of the game?
Myself Ctrl-Q doesn't even enter my head. I'd rather save my ship (or not) by my piloting skill, and not by game mechanics. That said I have had some crashes at nopportune moments, and my corp mates can attest to this as it has happened while doing pvp training, but the extra RAM and better graphics card I'm getting at christmass should solve that particular problem .
That said I have never cheated in an online game, as it spoils my fun, and interferes with the reasons I play. For the record, I play for fun, not to win.
Of course this is only going to get worse after Kali with the HP increase. Now instead of increasing combat time, it's increasing the time people have to log out 
That and constantly whining about people doing it, means that more people will know about it and do it!
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.25 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Bewl
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
the name of the GAME is "not get caught in the first place by using your brain" ... and not: "don't get caught by using out-of-game mechanics because you ****** up"
Its a GAME for crying out loud. If someone who pays the same amount as you do to play this GAME, then what gives you the right on how to dictate how he plays the GAME. TBH, I'll ctrl-q whenever the heck I feel like it.
... i don't dictate him when to log out or not ...
but it shouldn't be possible to avoid consequences of actions (or their lack of) by logging out.
you didn't look at the map before you jumped into 0.0? deal with it - try to run/fight though you might die in the process.
you didn't keep an eye on local and a pirate "surprised" you in the belt? deal with it - either you fight him off or you die.
there are rules in a game that need to be respected. dealing with the consequences of your actions (or the lack of them) is imho one of these rules.
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Awox
Finite Horizon
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.25 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bewl
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
the name of the GAME is "not get caught in the first place by using your brain" ... and not: "don't get caught by using out-of-game mechanics because you ****** up"
Its a GAME for crying out loud. If someone who pays the same amount as you do to play this GAME, then what gives you the right on how to dictate how he plays the GAME. TBH, I'll ctrl-q whenever the heck I feel like it.
The fact that you can Ctrl-Q as a time savour gives you the impression you can waste other people time. If a group of people setup to secure a system you shouldn't be able to jump in and disappear to come back when they've ran out of RL time, that they invest in the game, just like you.
Of course you can, because CCP prefer $$$ to having a clean game where people have to actually use their head. Hah, and the panel at fanfest said they weren't trying to dumb-down EVE-Online..
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Posted - 2006.11.25 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22
Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'...
So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. )
If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship.
Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!!
..Deal with it!!
this has to be the first time i have ever read anything worth reading on this forum
you have well and truly hit the nail on the head...............
virtual mercenarys and virtual pirates (no doubt real world carebears)
moaning about "unsporting behavior" and this one's my all time favourite "NO HONOUR" LMFAO
you dont atack unless the odds are well and truly in your favour
you want to populate 0.0 space
easy...............
learn what HONOUR actually means
then put it into practice.......................
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Posted - 2006.11.25 09:26:00 -
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!!
..Deal with it!!
You obviously didnt watch it...I'm in a stabber attacking a Raven in a cruiser gang....hardly a super gank.
And yes I can deal with it  I got many kills that night 
And this may suprise you, some actually fought back.
This is more than Ctrl+q, its then logging in an ALT on the same account. The ship vanishes, it doesnt warp. I wish the GM's would "Deal with it" as you put it 
It IS possible to get away without using lame tactics
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.25 09:58:00 -
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Two people are sitting playing a game of chess (or any other board game of your choice).
One is absolutely wtfpwning the other. When the latter realises this, he kicks the board over to forcibly end the game.
When the former complains about this, the response from the latter is along the lines of:
Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22
Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'...
So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. )
If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship.
Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!!
..Deal with it!!
The former then pulls out a handgun and empties it into the vital organs of the latter. At least, that's how it ends in my happy world.
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Vestas Flaker
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Posted - 2006.11.25 10:04:00 -
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Watch carefully, that raven clearly warps away, it did not vanish! just hard to see with bad frame rate
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Vestas Flaker
Watch carefully, that raven clearly warps away, it did not vanish! just hard to see with bad frame rate
errr what
You are kidding right
I think I can tell the difference when I play the game my friend, between a warp and a vanish.
Part of my job is to watch where they warp to...and yes I'm good 
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AnxietyAttack
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.25 10:14:00 -
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The whole ctrl q thing is prett ridiculous, if someone has to do that to survive in space, they should fk off bak to empire. You will never learn or improve if you ***** out everytime to save your precious intraweb spaceship, i mean come on, its a ship, take it like a man. It's not hard to look at the map to avoid hotspots, see where camps are and such.
Cowards who do that should be podded in rl, and to be proud of it as well,, pathetic 
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Jelly Heed
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Posted - 2006.11.25 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: AnxietyAttack
The whole ctrl q thing is prett ridiculous, if someone has to do that to survive in space, they should fk off bak to empire. You will never learn or improve if you ***** out everytime to save your precious intraweb spaceship, i mean come on, its a ship, take it like a man. It's not hard to look at the map to avoid hotspots, see where camps are and such.
Cowards who do that should be podded in rl, and to be proud of it as well,, pathetic
read what you have just written and the tone in which you have done so.........
now where do you think we should apply the word "PATHETIC"
well done.......
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Posted - 2006.11.25 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jelly Heed
Originally by: AnxietyAttack
The whole ctrl q thing is prett ridiculous, if someone has to do that to survive in space, they should fk off bak to empire. You will never learn or improve if you ***** out everytime to save your precious intraweb spaceship, i mean come on, its a ship, take it like a man. It's not hard to look at the map to avoid hotspots, see where camps are and such.
Cowards who do that should be podded in rl, and to be proud of it as well,, pathetic
read what you have just written and the tone in which you have done so.........
now where do you think we should apply the word "PATHETIC"
well done.......
Right after the "is" when you say "Jelly Heed is"
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Jelly Heed
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Posted - 2006.11.25 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jelly Heed on 25/11/2006 10:59:18
Right after the "is" when you say "Jelly Heed is"
lol
and i thought this game was played mainly by adults..................
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chromer one
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22
Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'...
So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. )
If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship.
Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!!
..Deal with it!!
If you fly alone bs in 0.0 you are sure inviting people to gank you.
and tbh raven can handle quite a bunch of ships attacking.
Your way of gaming is like playing with dice's with only 6's on em. so you just wouldn't loose.
Well sometimes in this game some people loose. too bad that some cant take it.
Im happy that age comes with wishdom.
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Balklanac
The Wicked and Wise
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Posted - 2006.11.25 10:56:00 -
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Happened two nighst ago on a t2 transport, ship just went *poof* I am still coming to grips as to what it was carrying....lesson bring more firepower. Personally I cant blame the people in the heat of the moment, its up to CCP to reign this in.
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2006.11.25 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Before you say "logging off is acceptable"...this is not standard ctrl+q. Its logging off then logging in an alt on the same client. The ship just vanishes.
Hi all.
We know that logging off during combat is extremely lame and annoying, it happens to most of us when we are out PvP-ing too.
I just wanted to reply to this topic and let you know that the above exploit doesn't actually work. We have tested this many,
many times in house using all sorts of "tricks" and it just doesn't work.
Unfortunately the video file you created doesn't show 1) the start of combat and 2) him logging off. Players will dissapear after
a set amount of time, just like it shows in teh video if he logs off BEFORE combat has been initiated.
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NotNowKato
Gallente
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: NotNowKato on 25/11/2006 11:28:25
But if your already scramming them and shooting then ctrl + q and logging in an alt shouldnt do anything?
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jelly Heed
this has to be the first time i have ever read anything worth reading on this forum
you have well and truly hit the nail on the head...............
virtual mercenarys and virtual pirates (no doubt real world carebears)
moaning about "unsporting behavior" and this one's my all time favourite "NO HONOUR" LMFAO
you dont atack unless the odds are well and truly in your favour
you want to populate 0.0 space
easy...............
learn what HONOUR actually means
then put it into practice.......................
Ok...not sure what you are talking about really.
This is about abusing game mechanics.
Now you want to stereotype Virtual mercenaries as "real world care bears" lmfao, of course virtual care bears are all firefighters in R/L.
Whats this populate 0.0...get a clue.
That vid was in ALLIANCE space, its heavily populated. We were a small gang raiding a hostile alliance's systems.
We were doing hit and runs, as the alliance fleet tried to find us. Odds in our favour?!!
I dont mine, I dont trade, I just kill. I have 96 kills this month so far, so I know a little about combat, and when u see a ship vanish like that...it kind of stands out. So please dont make assumptions, and post about things you know nothing about.
And yes I will moan about unsporting behaviour, in all sports, there are rules, and cheaters usually get found out
And if you think that throwing your teddy out of the pram and logging when u in trouble is fine, then you sir, have no honour.
Strange how all these people have "real life" issues ONLY when the are scrambled at a belt...or in a warp bubble...hmmm odd that.
Oh and to wind up the carebears...I ganked an Obelisk in 0.3sec while tanking the gates. Not easy at all...it dropped no loot...but it was carrying over 2Bil in fuel and ships...Yarrr
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Posted - 2006.11.25 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: NotNowKato
But if your already scramming them and shooting then ctrl + q and logging in an alt shouldnt do anything?
If you initiate combat by webbing and scrambling, then he logs off and logs on an alt, he stays in space.
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 11:28:00 -
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Oooh a Dev Response
I can recreate the scenario with ease....its odd how you cant achieve it.
My mate scrams me, I log off then log on with an alt from same account. And the ship vanishes. Even with a pvp timer.
I will test it again today. The vid should not be your evidence btw ;)
It would be very easy for you to look at the logs. And see that pilot log an alt in...oh well...back to ganking noobs in frustration As least they havent learnt ctrl+q yet
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NotNowKato
Gallente
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 11:29:00 -
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Thanks for confirming that Jiekon that was my understanding also.
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Jelly Heed
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Posted - 2006.11.25 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Yarrr
lmao
you gotta be kiddin ?
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2006.11.25 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Oooh a Dev Response
I can recreate the scenario with ease....its odd how you cant achieve it.
My mate scrams me, I log off then log on with an alt from same account. And the ship vanishes. Even with a pvp timer.
I will test it again today. The vid should not be your evidence btw ;)
It would be very easy for you to look at the logs. And see that pilot log an alt in...oh well...back to ganking noobs in frustration As least they havent learnt ctrl+q yet
I`ll gladly come and watch as you reproduce this as we have been unable to reproduce it on our test server at all. I know the video isn't evidence, but i was just saying
that it doesn't show the whole picture.
If you could log onto SISI and contact Jiekon2 when SISI comes back online after the update, we will sort out a test situation.
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Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.25 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: AnxietyAttack
The whole ctrl q thing is prett ridiculous, if someone has to do that to survive in space, they should fk off bak to empire. You will never learn or improve if you ***** out everytime to save your precious intraweb spaceship, i mean come on, its a ship, take it like a man. It's not hard to look at the map to avoid hotspots, see where camps are and such.
Cowards who do that should be podded in rl, and to be proud of it as well,, pathetic
However those people that do that get away don't they, and ehile doing so they annoy the rest of the community. In other words, they win. It's lame I I think it should be fixed somehow.
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jelly Heed
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Yarrr
lmao
you gotta be kiddin ?
Kidding about the 3bil loss to that Frieghter pilot...I never kid about things like that...me hearty
2006.10.30 01:17
Victim: ********
Alliance: NONE
Corp: FW Inc
Destroyed: Obelisk
System: Otsasai
Security: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: Flinx Evenstar
Security: -4.5
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Momentum.
Ship: Typhoon
Weapon: 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher
Name: ******** (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.9
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Momentum.
Ship: Scorpion
Weapon: Paradise Cruise Missile
And btw...^^ he logged but his ship did not vanish Maybe he thought we couldnt tank that long.
And thanks Jiekon, for looking into it, maybe he logged before we got the scram on him...I will kill him anothertime
For the guys that agree that it is lame to log, I'm pretty sure my corp would kick members for logging off in fleet battle, and Outbreak will testify to that, as we took heavy losses to them trapped in their dictor bubble. We all fought to the death baby, and there was no smack 07
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Posted - 2006.11.25 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Jelly Heed
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Yarrr
lmao
you gotta be kiddin ?
Kidding about the 3bil loss to that Frieghter pilot...I never kid about things like that...me hearty
2006.10.30 01:17
Victim: ********
Alliance: NONE
Corp: FW Inc
Destroyed: Obelisk
System: Otsasai
Security: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: Flinx Evenstar
Security: -4.5
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Momentum.
Ship: Typhoon
Weapon: 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher
Name: ******** (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.9
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Momentum.
Ship: Scorpion
Weapon: Paradise Cruise Missile
And btw...^^ he logged but his ship did not vanish Maybe he thought we couldnt tank that long.
And thanks Jiekon, for looking into it, maybe he logged before we got the scram on him...I will kill him anothertime
For the guys that agree that it is lame to log, I'm pretty sure my corp would kick members for logging off in fleet battle, and Outbreak will testify to that, as we took heavy losses to them trapped in their dictor bubble. We all fought to the death baby, and there was no smack 07
omg
you should maybe get out more
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jelly Heed
omg
you should maybe get out more
Ok, I see you are just here to troll now....very constructive btw ;)
...and brave posting with an alt. ( Probably that raven pilots alt )
Try having some fun...it wont hurt you
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Posted - 2006.11.25 13:14:00 -
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I'd just like to say cheers for the Dev response, good to know that the Devs are with the sane players on this one. Hope you get all the issues with loggers sorted out :)
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Posted - 2006.11.25 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Jelly Heed
omg
you should maybe get out more
Ok, I see you are just here to troll now....very constructive btw ;)
...and brave posting with an alt. ( Probably that raven pilots alt )
Try having some fun...it wont hurt you
yeah fair play that statement was a bit low
raven pilot ....no not me
alt???
no reason just wen signed onto the forum let me choose any so i used this one
as for bravery
we are both here hiding behind avatar's so lets not go down the bravery road eh....
pvp is ok
but F'kin someone over just because you can isnt brave or honourable
pirate
just another word for a thief
a thief is a lowlife (virtual or real)
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 13:23:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Jelly Heed
but F'kin someone over just because you can isnt brave or honourable
pirate
just another word for a thief
a thief is a lowlife (virtual or real)
no...killing someone just because you can is FUN...you should try it,
now stop derailing my thread please.
Create your own thread to moan about pirates....where's my parrot. Avast you sea dogs, time to set sail...I will try and block the scurvey ridden forum troll
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.25 13:45:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Krulla on 25/11/2006 13:49:38
Originally by: Jelly Heed
but F'kin someone over just because you can isnt brave or honourable
pirate
just another word for a thief
a thief is a lowlife (virtual or real)
Ah, the good old pirates are bad people in RL argument.
Okay, I'll settle this once and for all for you. Pirates are not bad people in real life, and I can prove it to you. I can prove it to you in three words. Alright?
Ready?
...
Here Goes.
IT'S A GAME.
In game, I shoot people because it's fun. I'm a bad person. Out of game, I love my friends, I love my girlfriend, I love my dog, I love my familiy, and I'm generally a rather nice, likeable person. So please, don't insult me by claiming that I'm a "lowlife" for doing things I enjoy in a game. The people I shoot and kill aren't real, they are just pixels on a screen, virtual, meaningless property owned by strangers I'll never see. We're not bad people. Those ships of yours we destroy are just a few bytes on a server somewhere in London, and have no value whatsoever outside of the boundaries of EvE Online. If you think otherwise, then frankly you have issues.
Got that? Good. You're wrong, I'm right, have a nice day.
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Jelly Heed
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Posted - 2006.11.25 13:53:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22
Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'...
So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. )
If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship.
Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!!
..Deal with it!!
sorry but he's has a very valid point
yeah it may be fun for you to take down an unprotected ship as pirates do..
( yahh an all that...)
but thats nothing in comparison to see you planning it only to get beaten by what you would call an exploit
now that is funny
he beat you get over it and go and have some fun taking down noobs ( because you can )
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:43:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Jelly Heed
but thats nothing in comparison to see you planning it only to get beaten by what you would call an exploit
By what he calls an exploit?
It is a exploit. The only reasons the GMs can't punish people for it (This is what a GM told me in the past) is because you can't really control when people log on or off.
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Quantum Joe
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:52:00 -
[43]
Aww, poor thing. A gate camp gone horribly wrong.. oh what to do. What ever will happen to the brainless pirates once 'warp to 0' is in. Since the I-win gate camp will not be available to you, you might as well learn your mining skills now.
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:01:00 -
[44]
 Originally by: Jelly Heed
sorry but he's has a very valid point
yeah it may be fun for you to take down an unprotected ship as pirates do..
( yahh an all that...)
but thats nothing in comparison to see you planning it only to get beaten by what you would call an exploit
now that is funny
he beat you get over it and go and have some fun taking down noobs ( because you can )
Listen Jelly TRoll....you obviously have lost a ship recently and have a chip on your shoulder because you lack combat skills.
UNPROTECTED...here you go again....It was a RAVEN!! I was in a Stabber (thats a cruiser btw) The pilot was a combat pilot. He was not unprotected...doh! He was hunting as was I.
Now get a grip of yourself.....take a breath, and repeat over and over...piwats are ebil piwats are ebil.
He did not beat anyone but himself, he LOGGED..then logged back in later....and out again, and then in and out....so he had a GREAT time. By chance we were in the same system on our return trip, when he logged in...and he immediately logged out.
SO if thats what you call winning, I dont know what you are playing.
IN the mean time we killed...oh check the killboard....lots Now that was FUN.
SO please Jelly Troll....relax, you lost your ship to some ebil man, get over it and train harder and stop turning a valid suspected exploit thread into another pirate moan.....
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:08:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Quantum Joe
Aww, poor thing. A gate camp gone horribly wrong.. oh what to do. What ever will happen to the brainless pirates once 'warp to 0' is in. Since the I-win gate camp will not be available to you, you might as well learn your mining skills now.
Another Alt without a clue....It was not a gate camp....
Can u not read? We were in hostile alliance territory
We were the ones in danger of being ganked. THis was not low sec piracy, it is raids on alliance space. Try reading the odd post.
And btw warp to zero wont change a thing...if you know anything at all...you will know you get most kills by jumping after your victim...if he in BS...you will have him locked and scrammed easy.
and *cough* warp bubbles
And the day I pay to watch a rock on screen is the day I'm ready for my slippers. You miners Watching rocks all day
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Blind Man
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:56:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Blind Man on 25/11/2006 16:00:21
I'm sorry but it IS POSSIBLE to dissapear just like in that video. if someone jumps into a system, and then they log off before they uncloak.. you can web and scram them and they sit there and take damage but after (43 seconds or so) they will dissapear into thin air. this has happend to me many times especially with freighters in low sec and it works every time.
edit: need a timer after jump in of 1-2 mins where even if you log off should someone aggro you, you stay in space
Sig removed.\o/
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:57:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 25/11/2006 16:06:41
Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22
Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'...
So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. )
If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship.
Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!!
..Deal with it!!
Grats to not understanding the game ... or playing by the motto: 'I don't like the rules, so I cheat.'
Like it has been said before, bad odds and hopeless situations are part of the game. Either you avoid them or you have to deal with them. But logging off is just cheating to avoid the consequences. Hopefully it gets solved somehow like it has been promised by the devs.
If you don't play to stupid, you can live in EVE without using means like logging off. The occasinal loss is part of the game, the goal is to keep losses low ( but not by cheating )
Fighting in EVE is like war, crime etc. in RL, especially not fair, but unlike in RL there is a 'safety net'. Your character will stay, no matter what happens and you can't lose all your stuff, if you want to avoid it.
Sorry, that EVE pvp usually doesn't match the honorable medieval knight vs. knight pvp that you have in mind, but EVE is a world with virtual crime, virtual war, virtual piracy etc. and sometimes just a bit shooty shooty for fun.
The goal is to make a living in this world, on the good side, bad side or somewhere in the middle, how you like, which is always possible without cheating.
If I jump into a bubble with 40 hostiles around, I usually think: 'Crap.' and then I try to make the best out of my situation. If I'm not in a covert ops or ceptor, there is usually no real alternative to dying and then I just do that: I die ! Then I think another time 'Crap', update my clone, if I have the isk, otherwise I borough some (*grin at corp mates*) and then I look into the future, since I can't change the death anyway. Time to get a new ship, new isk, fight back, whatever.
Well, I stop, most non-pvp folk don't understand it anyway. Nevertheless EVE is the harsh pvp game for everyone. Doesn't matter, if you like it. If you don't want to get killed, adapt your playstyle, but use in-game means.
Btw.: A 7 vs. 1 gank is fair game by the EVE rules. Imagine some soldiers, gangsters etc.: 'No, we can't attack him with 7, that's not nice. He should have a fair chance.' Yes, would fit nicely into a harsh universe. Gangsters/Soldiers, who behave like idiots, give their opponent a big gun, want a 1-on-1 and get shot.
So what would someone do in RL, if he knew about the dangers and unfair opponents ? He prepairs, takes care, tries to avoid the situation, keep losses low. That's how I play EVE. It's a strategy game ( and it is supposed to work without logging off to escape )
P.S.: I don't have anything against vs. 1-on-1, but it's a consentual thing. If both want it, ok, if not then not, then you have to fight the 1 vs. 10 odds or whatever. That's EVE.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.25 16:02:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Blind Man
I'm sorry Jeikon but you are wrong. if someone jumps into a system, and then they log off before they uncloak.. you can web and scram them and they sit there and take damage but after (43 seconds or so) they will dissapear into thin air. this has happend to me many times especially with freighters in low sec and it works every time.
edit: need a timer after jump in of 1-2 mins where even if you log off should someone aggro you, you stay in space
He's not wrong, and nor are you.
You are talking about different things.
He is saying (completely correctly) that logging in another character on the same account does not make the first disappear.
However, if you log off before uncloaking, you disappear after 30seconds-1minute no mattar what. This is what you are talking about.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.25 16:19:00 -
[49]
Logging off is not cheating!
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.25 16:45:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Fubear
Logging off is not cheating!
logging off to avoid consequences is.
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-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Blind Man
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.25 17:24:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Verus Potestas
He's not wrong, and nor are you.
You are talking about different things.
He is saying (completely correctly) that logging in another character on the same account does not make the first disappear.
However, if you log off before uncloaking, you disappear after 30seconds-1minute no mattar what. This is what you are talking about.
yeah i reread it and changed the post :P
Sig removed.\o/
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 19:38:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 25/11/2006 19:38:16
Originally by: Fubear
Logging off is not cheating!
I never said it was, although I still think that if thats the pilots best tactic, he may need to go back and do the tutorial again
What I thought this pilot did, was the Alt Char swap trick to bypass the pvp counter. But if Jiekon ( A Dev, and he might know what he is talking about )says that this is no longer possible..then I accept that.
The guy must have logged while still in cloak, as I jumped through the gate after him. End of.
So have fun all, I very rarely post on this forum, and I dont accuse people of exploits for no reason. In this case I am wrong. All he did was log while cloaked...not an exploit...
btw...I do sometimes hunt in empire...and the only people I pod there are the guys that logged, just a little bit too slow
I like them to log back into a nice warm clone vat
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.25 19:43:00 -
[53]
I don't like to bring wow into this but whenever you are in combat be it, npc or pvp you get message saying you can't do that right now when you try to log out.
I tried it once when i played wow, the doorbell rang and i had to log out but i couldn't.
Just implement the same system here?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.25 23:17:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
I don't like to bring wow into this but whenever you are in combat be it, npc or pvp you get message saying you can't do that right now when you try to log out.
I tried it once when i played wow, the doorbell rang and i had to log out but i couldn't.
Just implement the same system here?
Just make it so when you're wrap scrambled by a player or bubble, you don't warp out of it, that'll deal with 99% of the logout exploits.
Also put a delay on warping back to your previous position when you relog, so that login traps don't work.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Draconia Blackheart
Disciples of the Underverse
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Posted - 2006.11.25 23:33:00 -
[55]
Call me a coward..see if I bloody care..If I am losing and I can save my ship SCREW YOU!!! if you don't like it..
I have seen logging off dosen't get you out of battle, you just normally 'warp out' and it takes that long after you quit.
Nuff Said...
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 23:52:00 -
[56]
Logoff is about the stupidest thing in EVE.
CCP might as well add a little button on the left bar called "/non-pvp".
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Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.11.26 00:50:00 -
[57]
I know how to fix logging off.... simple... eh hem...
... any time someone logs off in space they get a menu of two options...
1. LOG OFF UNSAFE (threat in area), where ALL game mechanics get broken and you safely warp away. When you do this you get your ship out intact and at a safe spot. However, you lose ALL your cargo and mods. They get jetted at the point of logoff. Seems fair if you are logging to save yourself from dying.
2. LOG OFF SAFE (default and current mechanics) This option lets you log but ALL game mechanics hold for a 30 second timer. You take the risk of losing your ship. This is also the default from a CTD.
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 02:38:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Call me a coward..see if I bloody care..If I am losing and I can save my ship SCREW YOU!!! if you don't like it..
I have seen logging off dosen't get you out of battle, you just normally 'warp out' and it takes that long after you quit.
Nuff Said...
Remind me to add you to my address book....but once again. This is not about logging off. You cowards can do it any time you want. For the hard of reading...once again, this was about swapping to alt to avoid pvp counter once you have been engaged.
Try reading other peoples posts...you might learn something other than..omg hit ctrl+q I must save my imaginary wallet.
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Noomee
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Posted - 2006.11.26 02:58:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Originally by: Fubear
Logging off is not cheating!
logging off to avoid consequences is.
No it's not... Are you saying that if I'm attacked by a fleet of pirates with ships that clearly outmatch mine in such a way I wouldn't even have time to lock on them before being destroyed, that I should NOT log-off and watch them destroy my very expensive ship and lose my precious cargo just because it's "not fair" for them that I log-out or it's being a "coward"?
If you can do it without using hacks, then I don't see how it can be considered cheating. It's rather smart and wise... "Live to fight another day" you know...
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Draconia Blackheart
Disciples of the Underverse
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Posted - 2006.11.26 04:29:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Noomee
No it's not... Are you saying that if I'm attacked by a fleet of pirates with ships that clearly outmatch mine in such a way I wouldn't even have time to lock on them before being destroyed, that I should NOT log-off and watch them destroy my very expensive ship and lose my precious cargo just because it's "not fair" for them that I log-out or it's being a "coward"?
If you can do it without using hacks, then I don't see how it can be considered cheating. It's rather smart and wise... "Live to fight another day" you know...
Yes, the people here expect you to let yourself be blown up..dont try argueing or debating...play your game the way YOU want to play it and screw these people, THEY aren't paying your monthly sub! IMHO the can call me a wuss, a coward and a sinner..I could care less
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:02:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Krulla on 26/11/2006 05:02:49
Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Originally by: Noomee
No it's not... Are you saying that if I'm attacked by a fleet of pirates with ships that clearly outmatch mine in such a way I wouldn't even have time to lock on them before being destroyed, that I should NOT log-off and watch them destroy my very expensive ship and lose my precious cargo just because it's "not fair" for them that I log-out or it's being a "coward"?
If you can do it without using hacks, then I don't see how it can be considered cheating. It's rather smart and wise... "Live to fight another day" you know...
Yes, the people here expect you to let yourself be blown up..dont try argueing or debating...play your game the way YOU want to play it and screw these people, THEY aren't paying your monthly sub! IMHO the can call me a wuss, a coward and a sinner..I could care less
Are you insane? Or just very, very, very thick and full of yourself?
It's not about saving your ship. IT'S ABOUT SAVING YOUR SHIP USING A CHEAT; CCP HAS STATED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT THEY CONSIDER LOGGING OFF A EXPLOIT, BUT CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
Wether you like the playstyle or not has nothing to do with this. THIS IS A CHEAT. CHEATING IS BAD.
Also, you seem to take this game a bit too personally. I suggest you find a new hobby for a while.
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Romeda
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:06:00 -
[62]
*sigh* You really can't force people to stay logged in, I know that these log off tactics are pretty stupid, but really PvP'ers must you really find things to moan about? Today it's nerf ctrl+q and tomorrow it's another anit-WTZ post.
Yes these tactics are stupid and dumb, I've never used them and never came across anybody else who has used them, but you already have loads of ships that are geared for PvP not to mention the mods and whole areas of space that are lawless, and new PvP features coming in Kail, there is soo much I can't list it all. So some panicked n00b in a Raven logs off and you get your pants in a twist?
Things don't seem all that bad.
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Bastogne
Caldari
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:13:00 -
[63]
No matter what you do to escape from pirates they will cry & cry about it. This morning I lead a gang off to hunt down a couple of pirates that have caused my corp frequent troubles. One logged and one perma-docked in a low-sec station. Of course if we used either of those tactics to save our hides they would throw such a huge fit as to how we were exploiting.
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Romeda
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:14:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Krulla
Edited by: Krulla on 26/11/2006 05:02:49
Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Originally by: Noomee
No it's not... Are you saying that if I'm attacked by a fleet of pirates with ships that clearly outmatch mine in such a way I wouldn't even have time to lock on them before being destroyed, that I should NOT log-off and watch them destroy my very expensive ship and lose my precious cargo just because it's "not fair" for them that I log-out or it's being a "coward"?
If you can do it without using hacks, then I don't see how it can be considered cheating. It's rather smart and wise... "Live to fight another day" you know...
Yes, the people here expect you to let yourself be blown up..dont try argueing or debating...play your game the way YOU want to play it and screw these people, THEY aren't paying your monthly sub! IMHO the can call me a wuss, a coward and a sinner..I could care less
Are you insane? Or just very, very, very thick and full of yourself?
It's not about saving your ship. IT'S ABOUT SAVING YOUR SHIP USING A CHEAT; CCP HAS STATED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT THEY CONSIDER LOGGING OFF A EXPLOIT, BUT CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
Wether you like the playstyle or not has nothing to do with this. THIS IS A CHEAT. CHEATING IS BAD.
Also, you seem to take this game a bit too personally. I suggest you find a new hobby for a while.
Is all that shouting really necessary? I've seen no Dev or GM say that pressing ctrl+q is a cheat, what happens if your client crashes during comabt? Or your computer crashes, that happens to me quite a bit, or even if you accidentally press ctrl+q? Does that make them all cheaters?
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:53:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Krulla on 26/11/2006 05:53:33
Originally by: Romeda
Is all that shouting really necessary? I've seen no Dev or GM say that pressing ctrl+q is a cheat, what happens if your client crashes during comabt? Or your computer crashes, that happens to me quite a bit, or even if you accidentally press ctrl+q? Does that make them all cheaters?
Yes, all the shouting is quite neccesary when dealing with someone as thick headed as Draconia Blackheart. All she thinks is "PIERAT BAAAD!". Even if she doesn't agree with a PvP playstyle, she should be able to see that using out of game methods to gain a advantage is cheating. And cheating is bad.
No, logging off isn't cheating. Clients crash, connections get dropped, etc. But logging off to save your ship is a exploit. The devs have even stated it is. The only reason they aren't punishing people for logging off in combat is, because, as you say, you can't force people to stay logged on or, and they can't prove that it wasn't just a connection or computer problem.
Logging is alright, using logging to your advantage is not.
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anyname isfine
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Posted - 2006.11.26 07:11:00 -
[66]
We had an individual war-dec us with a couple alts in order to pick off our haulers. His standard tactic is to log off when challenged in any way by something that can shoot back.
How satisfying it was when he logged off while scrammed and lost that pretty T2 ship with all those T2 fittings. As an extra bonus he stopped shooting us while we killed him. When he logged on 5 minutes later it was in a clone bay.
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Zeke Novak
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Posted - 2006.11.26 07:22:00 -
[67]
Quit your whining. If you want a 'clean', 'honorable' fight, then find people who actually want to fight. If you want to gank people not looking for a fight, then expect them to play 'dirty' and do what they need to to survive, and preserve the very real time investment they've made in getting their ship.
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Noomee
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Posted - 2006.11.26 07:37:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Zeke Novak
Quit your whining. If you want a 'clean', 'honorable' fight, then find people who actually want to fight. If you want to gank people not looking for a fight, then expect them to play 'dirty' and do what they need to to survive, and preserve the very real time investment they've made in getting their ship.
QFT!
If the dev decide it's an exploit in any way, they will patch it... And for the record, they never said it was an exploit or a cheat. Some said they personally found it "cheap" and "annoying" to log out during a fight, but that's it. If you saw them say anything else, please give us a quote and a link.
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DiuxDium
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 08:49:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Noomee
Originally by: Zeke Novak
Quit your whining. If you want a 'clean', 'honorable' fight, then find people who actually want to fight. If you want to gank people not looking for a fight, then expect them to play 'dirty' and do what they need to to survive, and preserve the very real time investment they've made in getting their ship.
QFT!
If the dev decide it's an exploit in any way, they will patch it... And for the record, they never said it was an exploit or a cheat. Some said they personally found it "cheap" and "annoying" to log out during a fight, but that's it. If you saw them say anything else, please give us a quote and a link.
If a dev told me I was an annoying lamer, I'd catch a clue mate. The only real scum in this game are Ctrl+Q spammers. Feel free to quote that one. I hope with reckless abandon that this blatent exploit is patched soon. If you don't wish to PvP stay in high-sec. You want to protect your "Real time investment"? Stay out of low-sec. How's that? There's huge swaths of space dedicated to carebearing. Stay there, but if you come into lowsec, get in a fight, and log out when things arn't going your way. You're lower than **** mate.
And that there's the truth.
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Rurik Adelburn
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Posted - 2006.11.26 09:21:00 -
[70]
Uhh yeah thats 1v1. When you play chess you dont fight 10 people and their rooks, towers queens etc. Chess is a fair game and is based on your personal skill not superior numbers. If i did have to play 10 people at once in chess i would definitly give up and kick the board. Your arguement is simply based on pvp or fleet combat and definitly doesnt hold ground in a gate camp. I just finished venting in another topic but i see ignorance runs quite rampant.
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Two people are sitting playing a game of chess (or any other board game of your choice).
One is absolutely wtfpwning the other. When the latter realises this, he kicks the board over to forcibly end the game.
When the former complains about this, the response from the latter is along the lines of:
Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 25/11/2006 06:12:22
Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'...
So its not honourable, well I was here (PvP'er). Until I saw what kind of 'honour' alot of people (LIKE YOU) have here if I read your post right... (Like some attacking a lone ship with a 5-7 ship pack, then smack-talking that I'M the coward for getting away.. )
If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship.
Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!!
..Deal with it!!
The former then pulls out a handgun and empties it into the vital organs of the latter. At least, that's how it ends in my happy world.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.11.26 09:27:00 -
[71]
50th time and i still never had a reply that really killed this idea :
When you are targeted, and logoff, your ship doesnt warp out. at all. the ship will warp out when the lock stops
When you login, you are at the logoff safespot, but you do NOT warp back at the spot you came from. you have a new safespot for free, right, but you cant do login tactics
With those two : no logout tactics, no login tactics
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Draconia Blackheart
Disciples of the Underverse
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Posted - 2006.11.26 09:53:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Krulla
Are you insane? Or just very, very, very thick and full of yourself?
Both! Actually
Originally by: Krulla
It's not about saving your ship.
Funny I thought was..Silly me!
Originally by: Krulla
Wether you like the playstyle or not has nothing to do with this. THIS IS A CHEAT. CHEATING IS BAD.
Tell you what..if people stop playing attacking a single ship with a pack, expecting people to just sit there and add to thier killboard. Have them fight honourably and fairly and I will to! (Waits for Hell to freeze over)
Originally by: Krulla
Also, you seem to take this game a bit too personally. I suggest you find a new hobby for a while.
Excuse me, I can't seem to find your name on my credit card statement..can you point it out to me where you are paying for my Eve Account.
The only advice I can give you is if you don't like me in YOUR world..YOU can always leave and find a new hobby for a while..
Have a Nice Day
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rancmeat
Minmatar
Fly-By-Night Enterprises
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.26 10:42:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Splagada
50th time and i still never had a reply that really killed this idea :
When you are targeted, and logoff, your ship doesnt warp out. at all. the ship will warp out when the lock stops
I'd agree with the but for the fact I've had numerous client crashes and loss of connectivity while fighting NPCs. I've been much more lucky with PvP in that regard.
When you crash to desktop it's nice to come back to a ship and not a pod. It's indeed a tough problem to solve. How do you differentiate between a system failure and an attempted exploit of the system that protects you from system failure?
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:09:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Rurik Adelburn
Uhh yeah thats 1v1. When you play chess you dont fight 10 people and their rooks, towers queens etc. Chess is a fair game and is based on your personal skill not superior numbers. If i did have to play 10 people at once in chess i would definitly give up and kick the board. Your arguement is simply based on pvp or fleet combat and definitly doesnt hold ground in a gate camp. I just finished venting in another topic but i see ignorance runs quite rampant.
what about "risk" then?? in this game it's quite possible to end up outnumbered (either by units under your control as well as by opponents you face). so is "risk" now a lame game to play??
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Jelly Heed
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:23:00 -
[75]
Originally by: xeom
Logoff is about the stupidest thing in EVE.
CCP might as well add a little button on the left bar called "/non-pvp".
no
the stupidist thing in eve is sitting there watching all your hard work torn apart by someone who thinks stealing what you have worked for........fun
you want spoil my fun a will return the compliment by spoiling yr's
CTRL Q
he turns and runs away lives to fight another day
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:24:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Jelly Heed
no
the stupidist thing in eve is sitting there watching all your hard work torn apart by someone who thinks stealing what you have worked for........fun
you want spoil my fun a will return the compliment by spoiling yr's
CTRL Q
he turns and runs away lives to fight another day
i thought you were playing a GAME
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Jelly Heed
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:33:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Originally by: Jelly Heed
no
the stupidist thing in eve is sitting there watching all your hard work torn apart by someone who thinks stealing what you have worked for........fun
you want spoil my fun a will return the compliment by spoiling yr's
CTRL Q
he turns and runs away lives to fight another day
i thought you were playing a GAME
yes a game
but you do av to put a bit of effort in
and i personally dont want to see that effort torn apart by someone who wants to destroy that by killing me and my pod which lets face it has no value other then spite
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:08:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Jelly Heed
yes a game
but you do av to put a bit of effort in
and i personally dont want to see that effort torn apart by someone who wants to destroy that by killing me and my pod which lets face it has no value other then spite
Then EvE isn't the game for you. EvE is about PvP, wether you like it or not. I suggest you go play WoW or Everquest II.
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Locarna Lustram
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:14:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Rurik Adelburn
Uhh yeah thats 1v1. When you play chess you dont fight 10 people and their rooks, towers queens etc. Chess is a fair game
You're not playing Chess; you're playing EVE. Perhaps I missed the part where it is stated that EVE is a fair game. Could you point me to it?
Logging off is lame, and I refuse to do it.
Gate camping is lame too and I won't do that either.
If people want to admit to themselves that being lame is the only way they can play, then much I care. I win because I play *and* keep my self respect.
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Hoshi
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:23:00 -
[80]
The only thing the people who logs off is doing is destroying the game for people with bad connections. Why? Well it's obvious that CCP will fix this sooner or later and because of this abuse the fix will be much harsher than it would have otherwise been.
So if you want to be able to log off at all in space in the future do yourself a favor and stop abusing this, otherwise we might end up with ships saying in space forever when logged off.
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Romeda
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:27:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Krulla
Edited by: Krulla on 26/11/2006 05:53:33
Originally by: Romeda
Is all that shouting really necessary? I've seen no Dev or GM say that pressing ctrl+q is a cheat, what happens if your client crashes during comabt? Or your computer crashes, that happens to me quite a bit, or even if you accidentally press ctrl+q? Does that make them all cheaters?
Yes, all the shouting is quite neccesary when dealing with someone as thick headed as Draconia Blackheart. All she thinks is "PIERAT BAAAD!". Even if she doesn't agree with a PvP playstyle, she should be able to see that using out of game methods to gain a advantage is cheating. And cheating is bad.
No, logging off isn't cheating. Clients crash, connections get dropped, etc. But logging off to save your ship is a exploit. The devs have even stated it is. The only reason they aren't punishing people for logging off in combat is, because, as you say, you can't force people to stay logged on or, and they can't prove that it wasn't just a connection or computer problem.
Logging is alright, using logging to your advantage is not.
The out of game methods to gain a advantage you are talking of is a shortcut command called ctrl+q it's a keyboard command not "out of game method", besides EVE already has a PvP log off timer, I really don't see the huge problem here, but to call a keyboard shortcut command an exploit and shout abuse and insults at people is just making you look silly. Please less of the drama queen.
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Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:38:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Lord Frost
I know how to fix logging off.... simple... eh hem...
... any time someone logs off in space they get a menu of two options...
1. LOG OFF UNSAFE (threat in area), where ALL game mechanics get broken and you safely warp away. When you do this you get your ship out intact and at a safe spot. However, you lose ALL your cargo and mods. They get jetted at the point of logoff. Seems fair if you are logging to save yourself from dying.
2. LOG OFF SAFE (default and current mechanics) This option lets you log but ALL game mechanics hold for a 30 second timer. You take the risk of losing your ship. This is also the default from a CTD.
I'll say it again, since you all seem to of missed it and are too caught up in whines and rants about eachother.
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Illifae
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:52:00 -
[83]
I hate reading general. Nerf general!
Anyway:
Originally by: Rurik Adelburn
Uhh yeah thats 1v1. When you play chess you dont fight 10 people and their rooks, towers queens etc. Chess is a fair game and is based on your personal skill not superior numbers. If i did have to play 10 people at once in chess i would definitly give up and kick the board. Your arguement is simply based on pvp or fleet combat and definitly doesnt hold ground in a gate camp. I just finished venting in another topic but i see ignorance runs quite rampant.
The problem is that, when you play eve it's as if you agree to a semi-random chess draw influenced by other factors. You COULD end up facing ten grandmasters, very easily. Quite as easily you could be one of the 10 grandmasters, or 10 noobs, wouldn't make a difference whether they were masters or newbs at that stage. The thing is in playing eve you are agreeing that you might be in unfair situations; unfair situations that sometimes you can influence and avoid and mitigate but never completely.
Logging is like agreeing to play in a random draw, then when it's unfair kicking over the chess tables and walking away.
What you really need to do is mitigate your chances of this, accept some losses or get a few friends and make some payback.
EVE is driven by conflict. Conflict takes place because of imbalances of power. No RL misery is caused by this conflict, unless you let it. If you let it that's unfortunate, but you're going to have to change your way of thinking or find another game, because you won't enjoy EVE like that.
BTW gate campers can be very vulnerable to small gangs or prepared individuals, particularly when there are sentry guns involved.
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Jelly Heed
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:59:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Krulla
Originally by: Jelly Heed
yes a game
but you do av to put a bit of effort in
and i personally dont want to see that effort torn apart by someone who wants to destroy that by killing me and my pod which lets face it has no value other then spite
Then EvE isn't the game for you. EvE is about PvP, wether you like it or not. I suggest you go play WoW or Everquest II.
no game is fine pvp is ok
a choose to avoid it . i just dont want to play along with the pirates (lol) underhand tactics thats all.i get along in the game just fine and i dont have to resort to getting a gang together and pop the easiest target i can find..................
thats the way pirates (omg i wanna be a pretend pirate) wanna go about things fine
but dont start moaning about unfair unsporting and dishonourable behavior
thats just pathetic because the pirates (ffs what a bunch os d**ks) whole style of gameplay can only be desribed as unfair unsporting and totally dishonourable.
CTRL and Q are not exploits. should i stay on 24 hours
you wont play the game the way i want to play FINE. but dont expect me to play it your way!!
as for suggesting what i should go and play
i have a few suggestions for you but they wiil just get snip'd but i think you can work em out for yourself.......
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.26 16:01:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 26/11/2006 16:01:43
Originally by: Romeda
So some panicked n00b in a Raven logs off and you get your pants in a twist?
Well, it isn't only the pancked n00b, who only does it, it's also people with hundred millions or billions in their wallet, people who live in 0.0 for months and years and pvp'ers.
Logging off at the gates is most often not a panic reaction. The guy usually knows exactly, what he does and how it changes his odds.
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.26 16:06:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Jelly Heed
Originally by: Krulla
Originally by: Jelly Heed
yes a game
but you do av to put a bit of effort in
and i personally dont want to see that effort torn apart by someone who wants to destroy that by killing me and my pod which lets face it has no value other then spite
Then EvE isn't the game for you. EvE is about PvP, wether you like it or not. I suggest you go play WoW or Everquest II.
no game is fine pvp is ok
a choose to avoid it . i just dont want to play along with the pirates (lol) underhand tactics thats all.i get along in the game just fine and i dont have to resort to getting a gang together and pop the easiest target i can find..................
thats the way pirates (omg i wanna be a pretend pirate) wanna go about things fine
but dont start moaning about unfair unsporting and dishonourable behavior
thats just pathetic because the pirates (ffs what a bunch os d**ks) whole style of gameplay can only be desribed as unfair unsporting and totally dishonourable.
CTRL and Q are not exploits. should i stay on 24 hours
you wont play the game the way i want to play FINE. but dont expect me to play it your way!!
as for suggesting what i should go and play
i have a few suggestions for you but they wiil just get snip'd but i think you can work em out for yourself.......
You hear that? That's teh sound of the point I'm trying to make going right past your head.
Logging off isn't a exploit. Logging off to avoid dying is. CCP are just powerless to prevent it. Warping to a safespot and then logging is fine. Docking and then logging is fine. Logging of at a gate when noone is attacking you is fine. Logging off after jumping into a gatecamp, thus warping off in 45 seconds no matter what the enemies do (If you log off before they agress, you will warp off no matter what) is not.
However, if you will knowingly cheat, as long as you know you won't get caught, then guess who is being a dishonorable idiot, you or the pirate?
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 16:14:00 -
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Well apart form the usual, "I can log off to save my yellow hide" spineless wonders in this thread
My favourite post has to be from the actual pilot I frapsed. The very one that logged to save their virtual butt.
Obviously too dumb to recognise their own ship, as they talk about others using lame tactics
Oh the irony...well coward lady (thats a clue) you can probably just about make out your own name in the vid...
Log off cowards like you just get added to address books and hunted more often
Go back to empire if you want safety
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 16:21:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Zeke Novak
Quit your whining. If you want a 'clean', 'honorable' fight, then find people who actually want to fight. If you want to gank people not looking for a fight, then expect them to play 'dirty' and do what they need to to survive, and preserve the very real time investment they've made in getting their ship.
No I dont want an clean honourable fight.
I want to GANK log off cowards and pop their pods
And you know what....I think I will.
Logging doesnt work to save your "precious" ship everytime
Dont fly what you cant afford to lose....and get some skills
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.26 16:27:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 26/11/2006 16:28:48
jelly heed .. one question - did we play yesterday "risk" together??
edit: typo in names 4tl!
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Unfamed II
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.26 16:48:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Unfamed II on 26/11/2006 16:51:08
Im flying alone in my battleship thru 0.0 w00t. Then something happens:
1) I jump thru a gate
2) I see a hostile camp of around 7ppl or so (knowing they would pwn me, since im in npc fit)
3) Still cloaked, I exploit the logoff mechanism by pressing CTRL-Q
4) Having no aggression before, I log off.
5) At this point I'm no longer logged in game, my ship decloaks at the gate and hostiles start locking me (I dunno, im happily pouring myself some coffee, knowing I'll survive anyways)
6) Hostiles lock, scram, web and do all sorts of nasty things to me. I get no aggression timer because I'm not logged in.
7) Having a healthy buffer of HP's (even more in Kali, yay), my ship does just what that vid showed. *poof* gone. And not by getting destroyed.
Spot the problem perhaps? You need to make aggrotimer to activate even if player is not logged in. Problem solved.
Editski: And please add -500k SP penalty when being podded if you're logged off. No matter what kind of clone you have, luckily the game doesn't sell insurance for balls. Force ppl to grow them.
Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
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Blind Man
Caldari
Kemono.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 17:08:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Unfamed
And please add -500k SP penalty when being podded if you're logged off.
lol best idea ever
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Jacob Cerathi
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.26 17:17:00 -
[92]
Not that I really want to jump in this particular debate, but this reply amuses me:
Quote:
No matter what kind of clone you have, luckily the game doesn't sell insurance for balls. Force ppl to grow them.
Why does this only ever apply to the people *getting* ganked, and not the people ganking? :p
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Jelly Heed
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Posted - 2006.11.26 17:19:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 26/11/2006 16:50:26
jelly heed .. one question - did we play yesterday "risk" together??
edit: typo in names 4tl!
edit2: added link for better understanding
ahh the penny has dropped
no we didnt
i can see what yr getting at no
i dont behave in such a way not played risk for many years chess on the other hand i do
now the funny thing about chess is i refuse to play someone who isnt in with a good chance of beating me if i take em in four moves i learn nothing i never improve
on the other side of the coin if someone is far superior to me and doesnt give me a the oportunity to learn to play and just kicks the sh*t outta me everytime and then starts jumping about like he's some sort of hero
then i learn nothing and quite frankly i very much doubt im gonna put myself back in such a position
if ya think you may of taken me down yesterday i am sorry to dissapoint you but it wasnt me
i did get turned over a few days ago but that was sloppy my own fault...
and thats the only kill right i have (so that makes it 1 in the last 30 days right?)
i dont have a chip on my shoulder i dont have an axe to grind
i just dont like seeing the little guy f'ked over in rl or in game
there is a reason people choose to ctrl q and i dont blame em hence my stand in this thread plus im pretty bored with the game so im just venting frustration.
all im saying is ctrl Q is no more unsporting then the methods used by the the so called pirates
so fair play ( or not as the name of the game is, when it comes to EVE)
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.26 18:08:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 26/11/2006 18:08:57
Originally by: Jelly Heed
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 26/11/2006 16:50:26
jelly heed .. one question - did we play yesterday "risk" together??
edit: typo in names 4tl!
edit2: added link for better understanding
ahh the penny has dropped
no we didnt
i can see what yr getting at no
i dont behave in such a way not played risk for many years chess on the other hand i do
now the funny thing about chess is i refuse to play someone who isnt in with a good chance of beating me if i take em in four moves i learn nothing i never improve
on the other side of the coin if someone is far superior to me and doesnt give me a the oportunity to learn to play and just kicks the sh*t outta me everytime and then starts jumping about like he's some sort of hero
then i learn nothing and quite frankly i very much doubt im gonna put myself back in such a position
if ya think you may of taken me down yesterday i am sorry to dissapoint you but it wasnt me
i did get turned over a few days ago but that was sloppy my own fault...
and thats the only kill right i have (so that makes it 1 in the last 30 days right?)
i dont have a chip on my shoulder i dont have an axe to grind
i just dont like seeing the little guy f'ked over in rl or in game
there is a reason people choose to ctrl q and i dont blame em hence my stand in this thread plus im pretty bored with the game so im just venting frustration.
all im saying is ctrl Q is no more unsporting then the methods used by the the so called pirates
so fair play ( or not as the name of the game is, when it comes to EVE)
a fair point.
but i have to say - EVE has less common with chess than risk. (i know - i used comparisons to chess allready in some of my posts - but now i think they are not the best available comparison)
why?
chess is a pre-set 1v1 environment with limited ressources/units - you can only lose units.
risk is a FFA environment with no pre-set limit of ressources and different ways to get different amounts of units.
while the first only depends on actual tactics - for the second you need a strategy (a overall plan adding the different objectives of ALL other players into the picture), good diplomatics and also a sense for tactics (when to engage and when not to fulfil one certain sub-objective).
while in chess there's no way that you end outgunned (you don't have enough units for your plan) without doing something wrong or outnumbered (remember it's a pre-set 1v1) , in risk you can end up outgunned (your opponent has more units than you) AND outnumbered (your opponent is not one player but an alliance of players) only by not planing ahead.
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Weirda
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.26 18:30:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Draconia Blackheart
Wouldn't shame me.. The name of the game is 'not to die'...
...
If I get the chance I will disappear on you in a flash if it saves me the 4 hours its gonna take to rebuild my ship.
Go play your violin to someone who cares, people have a big crow about 'whats right in Eve', like the dispicable act of attackin people in High-Sec comes to mind. You don't like it someone one got away from your super-gank..BOO HOO!!
..Deal with it!!
you see - this is what have Weirda puzzled, especially part in bold.
IWHO - it is fine for you to disappear 'in a flash' using in-game mechanic. The developer of EVE set out to make a world where loss mean something, where it have consequence. 'logoffski' mechanic is broken game mechanic and just that. in programming world, all action taken by software must be deterministic. without proper input, you cannot 'determine' proper outcome. the problem of disconnect vs. someone logoff (forcably quit game) cannot be made by remote server, so they have kludge in place to try to strike balance between real disconnection and intentional.
intentional disconnection completely break spirit of game they set out to create. happy or not, you are SUPPOSED to have to rebuild you ship/whatever when something "BadÖ" happen. Gate camp are fair is not really the point.
Using these type of mechanic is like using gutter bumper when bowling, the ball was supposed to go out of play, but it bounce back in... that is great for children, but not for people who are serious about bowling. (plus - never get good at bowling without getting a few gutterballs!)
Originally by: Jelly Heed
sorry but he's has a very valid point
...
but thats nothing in comparison to see you planning it only to get beaten by what you would call an exploit
now that is funny
he beat you get over it and go and have some fun taking down noobs ( because you can )
his point is only valid if you don't believe that there should be Danger and Accomplishment in EVE. if you use mechanic like this, you may never learn to 'run' or even 'fight' for real. you then miss out on big part of EVE: frustration (and fear) of loss lend to sense of accomplishment when you DON'T.
Weirda have lot of friend in-game... 'carebear', pirate, pvper, label 22, etc... they just pilot who enjoy different playstyle. most are the same as people - but liking different playstyle a lot like liking different kind of music. it is subjective. in the end though - the spirit (dirty gritty HARD) of EVE give you the crazy shakes/adreneline/excitement when you face the game w/o Gutter Bumper. you may not like what gate camper do, but they provide HUMAN CHALLENGE.
there is no need (from any side) for 'holier then thou' attitude of who should live/die/succeed/fail. it is sad though when we don't all try to follow the same rule and then flame about it with ad homenim forum attack.
if the above two quotes really (REALLY) believe the horse they sitting on, they will be nothing but VICTIMS in EVE, and eventually own frustration will undo them. Weirda recommend (for you enjoyment - not for Weirda) that you join PVP University, Agony Unleashed, or hell even QotSA for a bit. Fly cheap ships, take RISKS and have a GOOD TIME with stepping into a trap (and living) rather then being disgusted by it and logging off. You may feel that you have 'won the fight' by living, but you have lost the game if you have to close the application to 'win'.
there is not one person Weirda know who haven't honestly given the above suggestion a shot and not LOVED it. for the sake of the RL $ you spend every month, give it a try. for real! you will thank Weirda later!
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 18:55:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 26/11/2006 19:00:21
Originally by: Bastogne
No matter what you do to escape from pirates they will cry & cry about it. This morning I lead a gang off to hunt down a couple of pirates that have caused my corp frequent troubles. One logged and one perma-docked in a low-sec station. Of course if we used either of those tactics to save our hides they would throw such a huge fit as to how we were exploiting.
Yes...I might even fraps it and make a thread on it
When you lead gangs, do you practice the log off log on log off drill....
It is easy enough to insta pop a tackler and warp out while laughing in local.
I wasnt going to name you...but if you are fool enough to post in this thread then lie about using lame tactics when there is a video of you doing it.
And btw...I am not a pirate...we call people we shoot pirates, and when I shoot people, they call me a pirate. I have never ransomed...I just kill the pod for free
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Unfamed II
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.27 00:05:00 -
[97]
2006.09.05 08:43:14SHUTDOWN [xxxx]connection lost
2006.09.05 08:43:15STARTUP [xxxx]
2006.09.05 08:43:24SHUTDOWN [xxxx]
2006.09.05 09:58:19SHUTDOWN [xxxx]connection lost
2006.09.05 09:58:19STARTUP [xxxx]
2006.09.05 10:00:47SHUTDOWN [xxxx]User requesting close.
2006.09.05 13:47:56STARTUP [xxxx]
This is copied from \Eve\logs\history.txt
Dunno if eve makes difference between conn loss and quit or not tho.
Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
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Falconius Karde
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.27 00:49:00 -
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I lost an Obelisk the other day. I'm no stranger to low sec travel, my ship and I regularly make forays into dangerous territory and I've been shot at a few times and made it out due to apropriate planning and precautions. I had just got home from a 13 hour work day, was tired, exhausted and obviously not thinking clearly. Despite instas and a (non-alt) scout I made a series of bad decisions and payed the price. I could have easily saved the ship using the discussed tactics but the other guys had been waiting 3 and a half hours, logged in, just to get me. Does my yearly subscription give me the right to waste over 3 hours of their time because I'm not man enough to accept the consequences of my mistakes? I don't think so - I've been on the receiving end of log-outs too and it is a slap in the face to see a well executed plan become a well executed waste of skilled pilot time because the target "kicks over the table". So I sat there and hoped that the allied carrier in system could provide support in time. It couldn't and I warped out in a pod to cheering in local. 4 hours building time on a replacement ship is your excuse? Pathetic. You could have at least taken some of them with you and done your alliance a service.
Believe it or not you signed up for a game with cut-throat competition, risk, and a harsh penalty for messing up. If you can't handle that you should either stick to safe space or play a game with a less harsh death-penalty, otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time. If I was to catch someone in my corp using Ctrl+Q to avoid facing the consequences of their actions their ass would be out the door in an instant. On the other hand if the other guys are using a log-in trap, Ctrl+Q away by all means. Fight fire with fire.
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.27 01:29:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 27/11/2006 01:31:55
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 27/11/2006 01:30:14
Originally by: Unfamed II
2006.09.05 08:43:14SHUTDOWN [xxxx]connection lost
2006.09.05 08:43:15STARTUP [xxxx]
2006.09.05 08:43:24SHUTDOWN [xxxx]
2006.09.05 09:58:19SHUTDOWN [xxxx]connection lost
2006.09.05 09:58:19STARTUP [xxxx]
2006.09.05 10:00:47SHUTDOWN [xxxx]User requesting close.
2006.09.05 13:47:56STARTUP [xxxx]
This is copied from \Eve\logs\history.txt
Dunno if eve makes difference between conn loss and quit or not tho.
Yes...but how often does that happen when your are in combat
Genuine connection drops happen.....but its odd how people "lose connection" in warp bubbles ALL the time.
My issue here is resolved...the pilot logged out, big deal, I wasnt going to name him...but then he lies about it, even when u can see his name on vid
So I'm happy...named and shamed coward, thats "claims" to hunt pirates oh my sides..
As for Falconius. Total respect. I dont blame Freighters for logging, after all you cant fight back (unlike a Raven) and the isk involved is huge. I have killed frieghters and cost corps billions of isk damage...they did log, but not before my scram got them ;)
However, you stayed, and did your best. It takes a long time to kill an Obelisk and you tried to call in support.
That is how the game is played.
I podded a freighter pilot for trying to log out, it cost me a lot of sec, but I live in 0.0, so I got it back pretty quick
btw...the event I posted in the first place happened in 0.0, not low sec.
And before I get accused of being a ganking pirate again, I was running a gang in hostile alliance space, avoiding an alliance fleet and killing with pleasure
Over 4 days our corp crippled an alliance
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=431596
So dont accuse me of picking on defenceless targets
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Falconius Karde
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.27 03:33:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
btw...the event I posted in the first place happened in 0.0, not low sec.
And before I get accused of being a ganking pirate again, I was running a gang in hostile alliance space, avoiding an alliance fleet and killing with pleasure
Oh yeah I understood that, hence my comment about taking some of you with him and doing his alliance a service. I felt it was still relevant. Fortunately I don't have a similair experiences to relate from 0.0; so far it's been fleet travel or successful solo runs, including one hair-raising run 30 jumps to the nearest clone station after realising I'd been fighting for a week with a base clone!
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Draconia Blackheart
Disciples of the Underverse
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Posted - 2006.11.27 07:52:00 -
[101]
I get told everything is fair.. ganking in high sec, attacking lone ships with a fleet, camping, any other foul, dishourable, unfair act you can think of ..becuase its PvP..
Well, I will try to save my ship anyway I can when I'm losing. I am not going to just sit there and let you pod me when you are using every dirty trick in the book...BECAUSE as fair as everyone is concerned its all PvP..and everything is fair..
But you not allowed to get away..what a bunch of hypocrites!
Nuff Said..
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