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Shinjuro
Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.11.30 15:30:00 -
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/me baits DBP/Dian/McCreedy to the thread... I still have a full bowl of popcorn here.
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Hellraiza666
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.30 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Crucifier Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
Dont make me have to paste the chat logs of you wanting to join BoB.
Also BoB is on FUN mode, not easy mode.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.30 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hellraiza666
Originally by: Crucifier Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
Dont make me have to paste the chat logs of you wanting to join BoB.
Also BoB is on FUN mode, not easy mode.
Don`t make me post fraps of kestrel killing your taranis 1v1
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Kin Hanyerec
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.30 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Hellraiza666
Originally by: Crucifier Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
Dont make me have to paste the chat logs of you wanting to join BoB.
Also BoB is on FUN mode, not easy mode.
Don`t make me post fraps of kestrel killing your taranis 1v1
Oh yes please do !
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Crucifier
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.30 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Crucifier on 30/11/2006 16:22:27
Originally by: Hellraiza666
Originally by: Crucifier Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
Dont make me have to paste the chat logs of you wanting to join BoB.
Also BoB is on FUN mode, not easy mode.
Thats because i was gonna rip all the hacs of you.
**** did i just type that out loud
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Hellraiza666
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.30 16:27:00 -
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Point being ET? It was a good fight, and i learnt from that fight, never mess with a dual web kestrel in a blasterranis hehe. Anyways i will shut up now and leave the thread now.
Nice post DBP
And to Cruci : If u say so
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Kin Hanyerec
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.30 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Crucifier Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
Life in bob is not easy : we are in a permanent war situation with major ops almost every day. Taking "easy life" while others are on the front line is not well seen and will make you kicked quickly. I'm not very active, but every time i log in i help as much as i can in every possible way. I could have bought myself a nice navy apoc with officer stuff, but i bought a dreadnaught and a carrier instead. And if cant put them on the frontline i'll let someone else use them or use my account. I live as a part of my alliance not as an individual pilot.
The "new" ones who kept their place in BoB earned it and doesnt deserve disrespect. They probably did more than me.
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Crucifier
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
Originally by: Crucifier Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
Life in bob is not easy : we are in a permanent war situation with major ops almost every day. Taking "easy life" while others are on the front line is not well seen and will make you kicked quickly. I'm not very active, but every time i log in i help as much as i can in every possible way. I could have bought myself a nice navy apoc with officer stuff, but i bought a dreadnaught and a carrier instead. And if cant put them on the frontline i'll let someone else use them or use my account. I live as a part of my alliance not as an individual pilot.
The "new" ones who kept their place in BoB earned it and doesnt deserve disrespect. They probably did more than me.
You think i perceive npcing and mining as easy? Thats the hardest part, pvping without worries is the easy part mate.
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Hellraiza666
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:33:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
Originally by: Crucifier Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
Life in bob is not easy : we are in a permanent war situation with major ops almost every day. Taking "easy life" while others are on the front line is not well seen and will make you kicked quickly. I'm not very active, but every time i log in i help as much as i can in every possible way. I could have bought myself a nice navy apoc with officer stuff, but i bought a dreadnaught and a carrier instead. And if cant put them on the frontline i'll let someone else use them or use my account. I live as a part of my alliance not as an individual pilot.
The "new" ones who kept their place in BoB earned it and doesnt deserve disrespect. They probably did more than me.
You think i perceive npcing and mining as easy? Thats the hardest part, pvping without worries is the easy part mate.
Therefore, you pvp on easy mode, i mean with the stabs riight?
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Crucifier
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hellraiza666
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
Originally by: Crucifier Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
Life in bob is not easy : we are in a permanent war situation with major ops almost every day. Taking "easy life" while others are on the front line is not well seen and will make you kicked quickly. I'm not very active, but every time i log in i help as much as i can in every possible way. I could have bought myself a nice navy apoc with officer stuff, but i bought a dreadnaught and a carrier instead. And if cant put them on the frontline i'll let someone else use them or use my account. I live as a part of my alliance not as an individual pilot.
The "new" ones who kept their place in BoB earned it and doesnt deserve disrespect. They probably did more than me.
You think i perceive npcing and mining as easy? Thats the hardest part, pvping without worries is the easy part mate.
Therefore, you pvp on easy mode, i mean with the stabs riight?
Lets see, I go solo against 20man gangs. You go 20 against 1. Who's the one playing easy.
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Hellraiza666
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:38:00 -
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haha am jokin cruci, calm down, u know i love u really
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ProphetGuru
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:47:00 -
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attitude>sp
Those deluding themselves into believing BoB has no low sp char's are looking for yet another excuse for poor performance.
[CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off. |
Lag Fest
CAPITAL TRUST FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: travelingsales Edited by: travelingsales on 30/11/2006 14:28:07
Originally by: Lag Fest
I couldn't agree more with u, being member of BoB for more than a year i had the chance experience the bobs inner workings. And i really got to say that Band of Brothers isn't just some cool name or something it really means what it says, simply a Band of Brothers having fun playing EvE. There are no "me-ppl" in BoB, "me-ppl" very often leave by themselfs or are shown the door, everyone see themselfs as part of something bigger, kinda as a part of very well operational machine.
But regarding BoBs recruitment tactics. You mention that they only recruit the best, doesn't that make sence, you said yourself that the case in ASCN is that you guys recruit alot of new and unexperienced players, but bob doesn't have the need to recruit unexperienced ppl, they have room for the well experienced and "we" kind of ppl.
I can't actually speak for ASCN recruiting on the whole, and if you read my post again I did not mean to do so. I don't really know anything about the recruiting practices of ASCN to be honest.
My point was not specific to ASCN in any case. The majority of corps/alliances in the game MUST recruit less experienced players if they want to grow. There are only so many experienced players in the game at any given time, and of those, the ones you really want on your side don't change corps/alliances that often. So if you are trying to build a corp/alliance to take on BoB, you have a couple of choices:
1) Recruit nubs/medium skill players and hope they blossom with time, and further hope they stick with you once they've blossomed.
2) Compete with established alliances and freelance corps for experienced players looking for new corps. BoB being the big one of course, but others have their own draw too: MC, Est, Burn Eden, ASCN, -A-, all have a certain "brand" if you will that lets them attract a certain kind of player.
3) buy lots of high-sp alts on the auction forum.
My point was that BoB right now has a fairly self-selecting group of recruits and probably wins the competition in option #2 more than their share of the time, especially where PVP centered characters are concerned. (ASCN probably wins it for mining-centered players ) I think this is due to BoB having a good structure for PVP success, not to mention telling everyone about it all the time.
Thus, anyone who wants to fight BoB has to take their recruiting "wins" in option #2 when they can, and take their chances with option #1 the rest of the time. To tie this back in with the current conflict, I suspect the portion of characters in ASCN who "grew up" in their current ASCN corp is probably higher than the percentage of BoB players who "grew up" in BoB, although I have no actual numbers to back this up.
In the long term, the facts above lead to it being much harder to build an entity able to take on BoB than it is to simply give in and join BoB. You are pulling from a wider pool of players than your opponent, many of whom will not be up to the task, and if you falter at any point, some of the players you've been grooming become potential BoB recruits.
This is where the "BoB is Easy Mode" line of argument comes from, and I submit that anyone who is looking for the biggest challenge in Eve should fight against BoB rather than joining them. This is not to say that BoB never faces a challenge, or never fights at a disadvantage. But based on everything I know about the game, I can't get past the notion that in general players in BoB face fewer challenges and difficulties than players outside it.
that is true and agree with you on most things but there are far more challanges than being the best at PvP. Also Its quite a challange being the #1 as well. But i assume its up to everyone what and how they wanna play this game. 0.0 is rutheless and theres only room for dedicated groups. _______________________________________ |
Xianthar
Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:49:00 -
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less talk more pew pew
-xian
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:56:00 -
[135]
Hellraiza join IRC please.
Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
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Crellion
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:06:00 -
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I think BoB will remain dominant so log as they can convincingly claim they are the best.
See the problem with a succesful alliance is that some always see themselves (often rightly so) as the driving force behind the success with other people being the dead weight.
Now I am sure BoB also has more active and less active players, better and worse pvpers. People who pown and people who sometimes lose ships in an embarassing way.
Usually this makes those that see themselves as l33t to demand an increasing recognition. Eventually this leads to break ups inside the alliance / emopire whatever.
BoB however seem to have an increasing dynamic and they seem to be a lot less saturated than one would expect after so much success. The reasons?
IMO: 1) They strive for absolute excellence so that even their best can never feel embarassed about being identified as "a BoB".
2) They use as much as possible their economy of scale and politics of scale. Their leaders go for acheivements that would seem inconceivable without the full might of the BoB machine so the best of the less happy BoBits are painfully aware that despite being better than average, if they leave the fold they cant hope to reproduce success at that level.
3) They have a leadership that appears to be involved and active in a stable way over the years. LD couldnt take more than 1 1/2 years of -v- while all of BoBs leaders (not DICE oc) have been there eve since I have been playing the game.
4) They excel at a propaganda machine that enpowers numbers 1 and 2 above.
All BoB has is it's rep... take that away and it would be just another alliance rly Can somoene take that away though? While I dont care personally there are definately ways you could make them hurt a lot pshycologically (and that could well be enough to end the BoB domination).... However I d rather not list here because: - I am just a n00b and dunno what I am talking about; or - I dont think I should bring those ways out in the open nor do I have any reason to be "anti-BoB"... if anything I admire them a little
As for the ASCN war I think BoB (despite their success) are allready fed up with it and if the hobbits could think of a nice monumental moral victory they could offer BoB (dont ask me for the particulars... it just needs to invilve a lot of humility, a lot of moral servitude, economic offers and some good fights to top it off) the war would end tomorrow morning rly...
[man I must be rly bored... should probably look for a new job ]
Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
Evelyn Exe
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: ProphetGuru attitude>sp
Those deluding themselves into believing BoB has no low sp char's are looking for yet another excuse for poor performance.
If you actually read my original post I said high SP characters that were experienced and dedicated players.
Take away the dedication and experience and high SP means nothing, I fully agree.
But an experienced and dedicated character with 25m+ SP is more use than the same person with less SP simply because they are less able to use T2 mods.
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ProphetGuru
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: ProphetGuru on 30/11/2006 18:21:00
Originally by: Evelyn Exe But an experienced and dedicated character with 25m+ SP is more use than the same person with less SP simply because they are less able to use T2 mods.
This is where you fail.
Look, I certainly understand the logic of your argument, don't mis-interpet me. I just see it fundamentally different.
The point is, the mindset of applying usefullness to someone in your alliance based on anything other then the attitude and personality of said person is the difference between us and you. I place my isk on 1yr old BoB chars over a 3yr old xyz char, because they have killer instinct, and know that they already outclass xyz just by being BoB.
It's part of what makes us better then you.
It's a big part of the reason you are losing, and will continue to lose your space.
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DrDimeBar
House of Negotiable Affection
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 29/11/2006 12:36:24
There are two main definitions of Phobos.
Primarily, from mythology, the following:
Quote: Phobos is the personification of fear and horror in Greek mythology. He is the son of Ares and Aphrodite. He, his brother Deimos, and the goddess Enyo accompany Ares into battle, along with his father's attendants, Trembling, Panic and other abstractions.
After closing Paragon Soul down, BoB paused to breath for a week. We used our smaller ships and roaming gangs to cause phobos amongst the ASCN fleet.
sorry, I couldnt help but laugh at the opening statement :) do you realise that phobos was a person. this is like saying 'we used our smaller ships and roaming gangs to cause Gordon amongst the ASCN fleet' :)
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:04:00 -
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Sir,
If you don't know what phobos is in relation to mythology, armies, astronomy and the greek language in general then please do not come on here and mock my post.
Because you are, quite simply, mistaken.
Thanks, dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Asariasha on 30/11/2006 19:50:46 Hmm Phobos is a new type of chips...some kind of modified Nachos ? ^^
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Stamm
Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:54:00 -
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Never been much of a fan of BoBs chestbeating and propaganda, but this thread, and certainly the original post have been very interesting. There's two sides to it though, and I don't believe ASCN are anywhere near as inept as DB Preacher is proclaiming them to be... but we'll see what happens in the south over time. I just hope this is the start of more informative, interesting and less pointless smack threads on the Bobbit/Hobbit war.
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Shinjuro
Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.11.30 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Hellraiza join IRC please.
Comon invite me to IRC.. I don't wanna be excluded from this cyber..
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Dr Einkeisel
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:32:00 -
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Just like to add, I have 11million SP
Would also like to add, I fly a intercepter still because my current skill set allows me to fly that like any 30million SP char could. Hint hint....
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Muffin Menace
Reikoku
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:39:00 -
[145]
I joined BoB with 2.3mil sp so nerrrrrrrr
Thou DPB moulded me into a lean mean fraggin machine, I still mine like a mofo thou __________________
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Scarcus
Caldari Bre-X
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:13:00 -
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hehe. Yeah, must have been your "attitude" that got you in. Right. :)
A 1-1 with HellRaiz666...lucky you. He always had 2 other dudes with him during my encounters. Got ganked like a fool but learn I did.
A frequent star in God's cosmic gag-reel. Sig removed. Inappropriate for the forums -Kaemonn |
Nukeitall
Nukeitall Coterie
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:38:00 -
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BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH --------- >>Disclaimer: Anything Nukeitall says is not to be taken seriously. Mostly. |
LinBadar
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: ProphetGuru attitude>sp
Those deluding themselves into believing BoB has no low sp char's are looking for yet another excuse for poor performance.
qft
I can think of atleast 5 mains in evol alone, off the top of my head, (which is saying something as i don't go around asking every bob member how many SP they have) with under 10mil sp....lowest being around 5mil.
yet as also mentioned above i trust these people and their "usefulness" much more than i would some lazy 25mil+ char who is only concerned about their own interests.
to be useful - quite independent of SP.
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laotse
Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.01 01:39:00 -
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not posting of the dead,s of all your slave corp,s is a shame and there is a post here already making slave,s is bad imo 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
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hezie99
Caldari FACTA NON VERBA Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.12.01 01:42:00 -
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i have great repsect for what bob achieve in this game having tried to join twice (im a corp hopper so nope) but why the constant forum posts let us know when the wars over thanxs bye
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