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Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.01 17:59:00 - [181] Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 01/12/2006 18:00:44 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 01/12/2006 10:47:42 Originally by: Evelyn Exe So which would you take, a "BoB" person with 5m SP or a "BoB" person with 30m SP? You would take the latter because they are more flexible and because the greater number of SP wuold tend to suggest that they would haev more experience of the game and be moer self reliant in terms of isk and isk generating ability. No. We would take the guy who fits in best with our ethos. If we were only based on sp or looked to get the best sp players then we would miss out on some of the best players in the game. I'm sorry but you are wrong, RKK have never based recruitment on how many sp a player has got. If that were the case then we wouldn't have laughed off some of the peeps asking to join us just because they had 30m+ sp. SP can be trained in this game over time but there as some human skills that are simply unique. I don't know why you are arguing this point, perhaps you are looking for more excuses for you alliances failings. You obviously have no clue about how we hire or how we play together as an alliance and are just saying stuff randomly based on your baised opinion of our alliance. Either way, on this point, you are completely and utterly incorrect. dbp No, I am not. If it was the same person behind it but he had a character with 30m SP and one with 5m you would take the character with 30m SP because he is more flexible in terms of ships and mods he can use. Why is there such an issue with agreeing with this? The point I made way back when in this thread was that BoB consists largely of experienced, high SP players that are decent pvpers and dedicated players. This is a fact. Most BoB members I look at doing show info are 2+ year characters. So what? There is nothing wrong with this and just shows BoB can attract and retain the better players. I am saying you have a large core of experienced, dedicated high SP characters in your alliance? Seriously, where is the flame in this statement? Where is the put down? What are you arguing about other than the apparent need to argue? Is dedication > SP? Yes. Is skill > SP? Yes. Does having a high number of SP help all other things being equal? Yes.
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.01 19:09:00 - [182] Originally by: Evelyn Exe Does having a high number of SP help all other things being equal? Yes. You should be a teacher or something.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.01 19:11:00 - [183] you know your alliance sucks when your enemy is compliments your pvp side while you sit there crying about how you're industrialists and nothing else. Just get it over with quick BoB this is becoming a sad affair to watch. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.02 01:39:00 - [184] I see absolutely zero point in arguing over how many SP BoB pilots have in relation to...well, anything. SO can we all move on please? Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.02 02:30:00 - [185] Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Evelyn Exe Does having a high number of SP help all other things being equal? Yes. You should be a teacher or something. Yes you wouldnt think that you would need to spell things out in such simplistic terms but many people in this thread appear to have been having trouble grasping the point.
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.02 04:58:00 - [186] Originally by: Evelyn Exe If it was the same person behind it but he had a character with 30m SP and one with 5m you would take the character with 30m SP because he is more flexible in terms of ships and mods he can use. Why is there such an issue with agreeing with this? Because you want the reader to conclude that this is the reason that BOB is winning. Which is why everyone is dissagreeing with you. Because to anyone who is not a deluded ASCN member we can pretty clearly see that this isn't even close to the reason that ASCN is doing so badley in this war. Had you taken every BOB member, and had them follow the orders of ASCN HC, that group would be lossing as badely as you are right now. Conversly, had you taken as many people as you could get out of a noob corp, and had them follow BOB's leaders, that group would pwn present day ASCN. Your trying to excuse ASCN's failers, by saying that they have charactors that are simply better then yours. While the truth of the matter is, BOB leadership simply out class yours, by a large margin. Your argument is nothing but an excuse for lossing, and avoiding the real issue of a poor command. You'd honeslty be better off foucusing your energy on your own leaders, and demanding an explanation as to why they are having you do the things your doing. Since not a whole lot they have done thus far has been to your benifit, and a fair bit has actually hurt you more so, then anything BOB could have done.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.02 05:54:00 - [187] Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 02/12/2006 05:54:38 We should get ASCN a Stickied thread here for their newist reason why they are losing to bob. It is an ever changing rational they got going on. I won't bother to replay them, but I do find humor in the fact that ASCN STILL haven't figured out why bob is winning. It is because they are team players and ascn are (mostly) self-absorbed players. Plus what Lorth said about leadership.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.02 06:44:00 - [188] Edited by: Slowboat on 02/12/2006 06:45:16 You know what is funny? All the sackless wonders who comment about what a lousy job ASCN is doing and ****ing on their grave before it is even dug. But I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that BOBs next target, whoever they are crumbles in less then a month. You all want to show how big and bad you are and how lousy ASCN is doing? Well do it. Show em how well you would do. But the bottom line is that as long as BOB doesn't come at your's right now you don't care. Which is fine. Just don't be hypocritical back seat drivers when your two damn afraid to grab the steering wheel yourselves. And believe me, there are a lot of people that will be laughing their arses off when your alliances get the snot beat out of them, one by one, faster then you can type "ORLY?"
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.02 09:15:00 - [189] Edited by: Righteous Fury on 02/12/2006 09:16:51 Originally by: Slowboat You all want to show how big and bad you are and how lousy ASCN is doing? Well do it. Show em how well you would do. A number of well-respected FCs and military strategists have already offered to hire themselves out to ASCN to help with the war, including myself. Whether or not ASCN take those offers seriously is really their own probem, its not like hiring someone new could make the situation any worse than it already is. Hell, I'm particularly fond of a number of people in BoB but I'd let ASCN pay me pennies to do their dirty work just because it would be an interesting adventure.
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.02 09:40:00 - [190] I was checking BOB KB yesterday and it was annoying to say the least the total randomness of ASCN BS fit outs... close range fit outs, long range fit outs, but lacking in range capability, tractor beams (!)... Looking at all those kill mails I found my self-thinking that it only took BOB to start engaging in long range, and the big majority of those BS would be useless. Does ASCN have any fleet official set-ups ??? TEC1 Fleet BS ???? TEC2 Fleet BS ??? How can ANY fleet commander do their job if their fleet is so badly fitted???? Try to organize your selves better. You are still in time.

DoctorGonzo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 10:05:00 - [191] ItÆs funny that this should come, as Blacklight and I have discussed trying to get a couple of our directors into ASCN to help lead the alliance û with a view to making things more interesting for the rest of BoB. It wouldnÆt take much to whip ASCN into shape to be honest, they'd put up a much better fight if they could just get the basics right. Originally by: Blacklight I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusions of adequacy!
Shin Ra BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.02 10:30:00 - [192] Originally by: DoctorGonzo ItÆs funny that this should come, as Blacklight and I have discussed trying to get a couple of our directors into ASCN to help lead the alliance û with a view to making things more interesting for the rest of BoB. It wouldnÆt take much to whip ASCN into shape to be honest, they'd put up a much better fight if they could just get the basics right. Even if they did accept this offer, it wouldn't work out. ASCN wouldn't trust them and you would get the same red tape form high command that stops ASCN working right now.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 11:12:00 - [193] Originally by: Righteous Fury Edited by: Righteous Fury on 02/12/2006 09:16:51 Originally by: Slowboat You all want to show how big and bad you are and how lousy ASCN is doing? Well do it. Show em how well you would do. A number of well-respected FCs and military strategists have already offered to hire themselves out to ASCN to help with the war, including myself. Whether or not ASCN take those offers seriously is really their own probem, its not like hiring someone new could make the situation any worse than it already is. Hell, I'm particularly fond of a number of people in BoB but I'd let ASCN pay me pennies to do their dirty work just because it would be an interesting adventure. Someone take RF up on this offer, please, I want to shoot him. Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 11:34:00 - [194] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Righteous Fury Edited by: Righteous Fury on 02/12/2006 09:16:51 Originally by: Slowboat You all want to show how big and bad you are and how lousy ASCN is doing? Well do it. Show em how well you would do. A number of well-respected FCs and military strategists have already offered to hire themselves out to ASCN to help with the war, including myself. Whether or not ASCN take those offers seriously is really their own probem, its not like hiring someone new could make the situation any worse than it already is. Hell, I'm particularly fond of a number of people in BoB but I'd let ASCN pay me pennies to do their dirty work just because it would be an interesting adventure. Someone take RF up on this offer, please, I want to shoot him. I even volounteer Dian to pay for it!
Player One Minmatar Die wilde 13	Posted - 2006.12.02 12:14:00 - [195] the best FC is useless if 20% of your gang are enemy spies
Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:59:00 - [196] I think the point we are trying to make here is that BoB does not recruit characters, we recruit people. We don't give a damn about anything more than basic capabilities as long as the mind of the pilot fits our ethos. A pilot with that ethos and only 5m skillpoints is far more effective than someone who does not have that mindset, but has 25m skillpoints. BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.02 14:53:00 - [197] Originally by: DB Preacher When we came into this war, we were told that ASCN had 100 carriers and the pilots for them. Don't be a great man just be a man
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 18:58:00 - [198] Originally by: DeadDuck I was checking BOB KB yesterday and it was annoying to say the least the total randomness of ASCN BS fit outs... close range fit outs, long range fit outs, but lacking in range capability, tractor beams (!)... Looking at all those kill mails I found my self-thinking that it only took BOB to start engaging in long range, and the big majority of those BS would be useless. Does ASCN have any fleet official set-ups ??? TEC1 Fleet BS ???? TEC2 Fleet BS ??? How can ANY fleet commander do their job if their fleet is so badly fitted???? Try to organize your selves better. You are still in time. They do kinda have official set ups, but no1 uses it. Instead they moan at the FC when he asks them to fit a particular set up, either refusing to turn up, or turning up in completely opposite to what they wanted. I remember in axe asking people to fit long range fleet set ups, torp ravens arent acceptable. What happened? i got whined at and 50% of people were in torp ravens . I imagine its the same if not worse in ascn. THis is why BoB comes out on top all the time. Discipline. Also, to the guy moaning about me ganking him, i fly solo lots. Ive scored lots of solo kills.
Scarcus Caldari Bre-X	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:30:00 - [199] Moaning? Cute. Simply stated the facts...but this isn't the place for it. Anyone have another report on AZN? A frequent star in God's cosmic gag-reel. Sig removed. Inappropriate for the forums -Kaemonn
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 21:26:00 - [200] Originally by: Scarcus Moaning? Cute. Simply stated the facts...but this isn't the place for it. Anyone have another report on AZN? I think the KB is showign exactly what is going on . ASCN are getting hammered left and right and appretnly the lies that their HC has made like " Kali will save us and defeat BOB " are starting to fade away. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"

Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 21:26:00 - [201] Originally by: Scarcus Moaning? Cute. Simply stated the facts...but this isn't the place for it. Anyone have another report on AZN? Yes its laggy as hell all you need to know :) - Ferocious FeAr > bob are****got pussies Admiral Goberius > taking advantages of bugs again? /me applauds
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.02 22:13:00 - [202] Edited by: Weebear on 02/12/2006 22:19:38 Edited by: Weebear on 02/12/2006 22:13:44 Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Scarcus Moaning? Cute. Simply stated the facts...but this isn't the place for it. Anyone have another report on AZN? I think the KB is showign exactly what is going on . ASCN are getting hammered left and right and appretnly the lies that their HC has made like " Kali will save us and defeat BOB " are starting to fade away. I don't look at killboards much, but according to your killboard you have lost 27 ships to our 23, 5 Battleships to our 2 in the last 6 hours? Is there a delay for non BoB members that those stats aren't current? The majority of the kills from today are all from just after midnight, which was almost 24 hours ago? Edit: apologies, I did say I didn't look at killboards much, you have lost 14 ships total over the period i was talking about. 5 BS
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 22:43:00 - [203] Originally by: Weebear Edited by: Weebear on 02/12/2006 22:19:38 Edited by: Weebear on 02/12/2006 22:13:44 Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Scarcus Moaning? Cute. Simply stated the facts...but this isn't the place for it. Anyone have another report on AZN? I think the KB is showign exactly what is going on . ASCN are getting hammered left and right and appretnly the lies that their HC has made like " Kali will save us and defeat BOB " are starting to fade away. I don't look at killboards much, but according to your killboard you have lost 27 ships to our 23, 5 Battleships to our 2 in the last 6 hours? Is there a delay for non BoB members that those stats aren't current? The majority of the kills from today are all from just after midnight, which was almost 24 hours ago? Edit: apologies, I did say I didn't look at killboards much, you have lost 14 ships total over the period i was talking about. 5 BS Come kill the pos then -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.02 23:04:00 - [204] Edited by: Slowboat on 02/12/2006 23:05:04 Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Weebear Edited by: Weebear on 02/12/2006 22:19:38 Edited by: Weebear on 02/12/2006 22:13:44 Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Scarcus Moaning? Cute. Simply stated the facts...but this isn't the place for it. Anyone have another report on AZN? I think the KB is showign exactly what is going on . ASCN are getting hammered left and right and appretnly the lies that their HC has made like " Kali will save us and defeat BOB " are starting to fade away. I don't look at killboards much, but according to your killboard you have lost 27 ships to our 23, 5 Battleships to our 2 in the last 6 hours? Is there a delay for non BoB members that those stats aren't current? The majority of the kills from today are all from just after midnight, which was almost 24 hours ago? Edit: apologies, I did say I didn't look at killboards much, you have lost 14 ships total over the period i was talking about. 5 BS Come kill the pos then LOL. Gotta love it. BOB says ASCN are getting hammered left and right.. ASCN member points to BOBs own killboard to reveal the lie and suddenly BOB members are NOT wanting to quote numbers but instead say "Come kill our POS then".
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 23:05:00 - [205] Originally by: Weebear I think the KB is showign exactly what is going on . ASCN are getting hammered left and right and appretnly the lies that their HC has made like " Kali will save us and defeat BOB " are starting to fade away. I don't look at killboards much, but according to your killboard you have lost 27 ships to our 23, 5 Battleships to our 2 in the last 6 hours? Is there a delay for non BoB members that those stats aren't current? The majority of the kills from today are all from just after midnight, which was almost 24 hours ago? Edit: apologies, I did say I didn't look at killboards much, you have lost 14 ships total over the period i was talking about. 5 BS I was using the KB as a refrence and i dotn want to go discussing it , but as an answer to your reply you didnt check it properly coz we have killed 41 BS belonging to ASCN almsot all of them are in AZN or in systems outlying it not to mention the tons of support ships . Anyway be this at it maybe i aint in game atm so i dont know how the tactical situation is going but i see that you guys have killed 13 of ours and are deploying multiple carriers and a wyvren "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 23:06:00 - [206] Edited by: Yazoul Samaiel on 02/12/2006 23:07:13 Double post 4tl "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 23:09:00 - [207] Edited by: LUKEC on 02/12/2006 23:11:15 Originally by: Slowboat LOL. Gotta love it. BOB says ASCN are getting hammered left and right.. ASCN member points to BOBs own killboard to reveal the lie and suddenly BOB members are NOT wanting to quote numbers but instead say "Come kill our POS then". Explanation for dummies: If we are doing so bad, they should be killing our pos. Obviously it's not all THAT good for them... . -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 23:12:00 - [208] Luke , plz ignore that troll m8 , he is blind to check our KBs as much as he has no stones to post with his main char "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.02 23:29:00 - [209] Originally by: Dianabolic Someone take RF up on this offer, please, I want to shoot him. Originally by: Hast I even volounteer Dian to pay for it! Its a shame that it'll never happen though, they think I'm not being serious.
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.03 00:16:00 - [210] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: Dianabolic Someone take RF up on this offer, please, I want to shoot him. Originally by: Hast I even volounteer Dian to pay for it! Its a shame that it'll never happen though, they think I'm not being serious. Who can blame em? j/k, love u really RF



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