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Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:56:00 - [1] Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 30/11/2006 05:03:56 Hi there! While buying a whole lot of inertial stabs to replace the the nanofibers modules on my (empire based) haulers I gave some tought to the lag caused by BMs. I only have one related question: Do BMs cause lag just because they exist? meaning... If I have a lot of bookmarks, when I jump from system to system, some queries get generated to update my right-click menu with that system's bookmarks? If that's so, I will delete all my base/gate BMs right away... keeping only the safe-spots (yeah, I have safe-spots in empire, don't ask why). EDIT: Found a similar thread here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=433851 There's the URL, since I didn't wanted to duplicate...however, my question about BM->LAG MECHANICS remains... if somebody knows the answer please reply.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.30 05:04:00 - [2] i deleted 5k instas yesterday, it felt goooooooooooooood. 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Phoenus Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.30 05:04:00 - [3] Edited by: Phoenus on 30/11/2006 05:04:10 Each Bookmark is a unique entry in a database - the more you have, yes - the more lag you will cause. (Edit: and I deleted around 30,000 across my accounts) [ 2006.08.16 20:49:06 ] (combat) Your Electron Blaster Cannon II barely scratches Dominix [NTEMS]<HELLH>(Dominix), causing 1908.4 damage.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.11.30 05:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Phoenus the more you have, yes - the more lag you will cause No BMs create lag when: a) being loaded by the client for display, i.e either: a1) when opening people and places a2) when using right click menu in space with BMs in showing up b) when copying Simply being there BMs cause no lag. =================================== Above comments are my personal views Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Phoenus Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.30 05:14:00 - [5] Originally by: hydraSlav Originally by: Phoenus the more you have, yes - the more lag you will cause No BMs create lag when: a) being loaded by the client for display, i.e either: a1) when opening people and places a2) when using right click menu in space with BMs in showing up b) when copying Simply being there BMs cause no lag. So, by reading what you said there - you just agreed totally with me, that the more bookmarks you have, in your client - the more lag you will suffer. a) being loaded by the client for display, i.e either: a1) when opening people and places a2) when using right click menu in space with BMs in showing up ---> all of which happen faster if you have 200 in your client, rather than 20,000. [ 2006.08.16 20:49:06 ] (combat) Your Electron Blaster Cannon II barely scratches Dominix [NTEMS]<HELLH>(Dominix), causing 1908.4 damage.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.11.30 05:21:00 - [6] OP's question: "Do BMs cause lag just because they exist" The answer to that is: "No, they dont cause lag simply by existing. They only cause lag when queried (displayed/copied)" Your answer: "the more you have, yes - the more lag you will cause" is not true, cause simply "having them" does not cause lag. Indirectly, having more of them will cause more lag when you open them, but that was not the focus of the OP's question. =================================== Above comments are my personal views Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Andargor theWise Disbelievers of Fate The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.30 05:30:00 - [7] Yes, having a very big database can cause it to suffer poor performance. There are indexes to generate, and other maintenance tasks to be performed to keep it running smoothly. So yes, more BMs in the database can cause performance loss, or more accurately, steal resources for maintenance purposes. Even if you aren't using them. - Got grief?
Bohoba Caldari Dragons United Pure.	Posted - 2006.11.30 05:40:00 - [8] Originally by: hydraSlav Originally by: Phoenus the more you have, yes - the more lag you will cause No BMs create lag when: a) being loaded by the client for display, i.e either: a1) when opening people and places a2) when using right click menu in space with BMs in showing up b) when copying Simply being there BMs cause no lag. test for ya open up people and places select places let it load then close places now jump through a few gates now open people and places select buddies or corp then close then jump though a few gates you should notice less lag during gate jumps when your peoples and places is closed on anything other than places if you have large amounts of BM's then by simply closing people and places while buddies is selected will save lots of lag Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.11.30 05:41:00 - [9] Thanks for the answers! So far we have that: BMs don't cause direct lag by just having them, but do cause an indirect lag by: 1) More entries on the DB == less performance. 2) When right-click or opening People and Places. So it does make sense that if I'm no longer using them, I should, voluntary, delete them.
Lisa Run	Posted - 2006.11.30 06:01:00 - [10] Edited by: Lisa Run on 30/11/2006 06:01:38 Originally by: Shameless Avenger Thanks for the answers! So far we have that: BMs don't cause direct lag by just having them, but do cause an indirect lag by: 1) More entries on the DB == less performance. 2) When right-click or opening People and Places. So it does make sense that if I'm no longer using them, I should, voluntary, delete them. Yes, think it has been said that the huge table sizes are also a problem for the ram sans (Those ultrafast solid state disks for xx thousand dollars per unit that CCP bought to extremely speed up database accesses. Although they have a large size, they got to their memory limits. At least the one, before they ordered another one.) ___________________________ ! Post under construction !
Raivotar Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.30 06:18:00 - [11] Just delete instaBM's. CCP didnt say it just for fun of it. ------------------------------------------------ I'm scissors. Nerf rocks. Paper is fine.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.11.30 06:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Raivotar Just delete instaBM's. CCP didnt say it just for fun of it. Done. Just the Safe-Spots remains. It was a rather liberating experience. I hope everybody does it to.
DETOVI Caldari Deep Space Keggers	Posted - 2006.11.30 06:54:00 - [13] ****in hell.... i been out-of-ogame for a solid month..... ill gladly delted (( my 2bils ortth of instas -- ZOMG)) but is this the re4ason i am experiencing 10+ minutes login time in EVE>><> help is appreciated... thx ! .
InnerDrive Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.30 07:02:00 - [14] Edited by: InnerDrive on 30/11/2006 07:02:08 Originally by: mazzilliu i deleted 5k instas yesterday, it felt goooooooooooooood. lol ur so owned, just wait a few weeks u will see ccp putting warp at 15 back and with the way u cant copy sets that easy anymore they will go like yarrrrrrrr!!! everyone deleting bms is gonna get owned by ccp mark my words! p
Gal'tashec Gallente Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2006.11.30 07:05:00 - [15] Originally by: InnerDrive Edited by: InnerDrive on 30/11/2006 07:02:08 Originally by: mazzilliu i deleted 5k instas yesterday, it felt goooooooooooooood. lol ur so owned, just wait a few weeks u will see ccp putting warp at 15 back and with the way u cant copy sets that easy anymore they will go like yarrrrrrrr!!! everyone deleting bms is gonna get owned by ccp mark my words! p Look like CCP decided to delete some players bookmarks (all of them) .. mine sure arent there.. thought it may be uber-lag (takes 15minutes for me to loging after the patch) since not even the "Add Folder" and "Add Bookmark" buttons are displaying on the bottom of the Places-window. --- Author of A guide to buying bookmarks
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2006.11.30 07:34:00 - [16] The short answer is that YES, just having bookmarks causes lag. PERIOD. The long answer is that every time you switch states (jump, dock, etc) your bookmarks are hashed by the server to see if any of them apply to the system you are in. For every bookmark you have, there is a very small time delay while the server checks all your bookmarks to list the ones that work in this system into your context menu. If you have a few hundred the delay is basicly nothing. If you have a few thousands the delay gets noticable. If you have 50 thousand, the delay is noticable, and can comprimise gameplay. There is of course the normal delays when you right click (longer the more BMs you have IN THIS SYSTEM) and the P&P when the DB has to push a list of all your BMs. ______________________________________________ Such a heavy burden now to be the one Born to bear and bring to all The details of our ending
Thut'ankh Amon Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:15:00 - [17] Originally by: InnerDrive Edited by: InnerDrive on 30/11/2006 07:02:08 Originally by: mazzilliu i deleted 5k instas yesterday, it felt goooooooooooooood. lol ur so owned, just wait a few weeks u will see ccp putting warp at 15 back and with the way u cant copy sets that easy anymore they will go like yarrrrrrrr!!! everyone deleting bms is gonna get owned by ccp mark my words! p and then they will move all gates and stations 15km to the right and you will land 15km from gate on your instas :D anyway ive deleted like 5k of instas and my P&P suddenly load instantly... also no login lag Originally by: Noluck Ned Notify Concord is on their way to help you, just hang in there, they are waiting for overlord to respawn
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:23:00 - [18] Originally by: hydraSlav OP's question: "Do BMs cause lag just because they exist" The answer to that is: "No, they dont cause lag simply by existing. They only cause lag when queried (displayed/copied)" Your answer: "the more you have, yes - the more lag you will cause" is not true, cause simply "having them" does not cause lag. Actually they do cause lag by "existing", apparently bookmarks are transported across nodes with the players, which is what was causing all the lag. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Epidemis	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:27:00 - [19] Anyone else noticed how you log in 10 times faster post kali? (with your account, not char)

Ginger.	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:17:00 - [20] Having Insta bookmarks sitting there will cause you lag. Destroy them all, its good for the soul.

Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:22:00 - [21] Originally by: InnerDrive Edited by: InnerDrive on 30/11/2006 07:02:08 Originally by: mazzilliu i deleted 5k instas yesterday, it felt goooooooooooooood. lol ur so owned, just wait a few weeks u will see ccp putting warp at 15 back and with the way u cant copy sets that easy anymore they will go like yarrrrrrrr!!! everyone deleting bms is gonna get owned by ccp mark my words! p I've deleted over 100,000 bookmarks across all my characters. I've spend countless hours making them, copying them and billions of isk buying them. Any decision to re-implement BMs would cause untold amounts of chaos and CCP has enough business sense so this would never happen. I have literally bet billions of isk on this fact.
Zirator Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:23:00 - [22] I deleted instas on both of my accounts and I allready noticed that logging into the game is a lot faster. Who knows what other benefits we'll get from it. I only hope that CCP wont nerf warp to 0 in 6 months or so. But seeing that big bubbles are seeded and interdictors might become available for low sec I don't think so.
VeNT Minmatar Freelancer Union Unaffiliated	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:26:00 - [23] just deleted about 2000 BMs, I feel like I've just had colonic irrigation for my char! -------------------- Selena 001 > has VeNT left system? its gone really quiet!
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:27:00 - [24] i deleted most of my region sets. thats about 95% of my old bm's. and u know what? i feel so much better now. yay for "warp to 0"! imho one of the best expansion features... -------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:31:00 - [25] Edited by: Soulita on 30/11/2006 11:36:20 Originally by: Ginger. Having Insta bookmarks sitting there will cause you lag. Destroy them all, its good for the soul. It is good for me? Ah, if a dev says so it must be true
TribalBleb Turbulent	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Ginger. Having Insta bookmarks sitting there will cause you lag. Destroy them all, its good for the soul. Why doesnt ccp remove them?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:33:00 - [27] Originally by: TribalBleb Originally by: Ginger. Having Insta bookmarks sitting there will cause you lag. Destroy them all, its good for the soul. Why doesnt ccp remove them? Exacly. Why not delete the instas when the cluster is down, one player at a time instead of trying to do it while 10000 people are trying to log on? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
The Major Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:35:00 - [28] I deleted around 3k instas and suddenly undocking and jumping takes mere seconds where before it would take forever. It was a very liberating experience.
The Major Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: TribalBleb Originally by: Ginger. Having Insta bookmarks sitting there will cause you lag. Destroy them all, its good for the soul. Why doesnt ccp remove them? Exacly. Why not delete the instas when the cluster is down, one player at a time instead of trying to do it while 10000 people are trying to log on? Because the number of bookmarks over the entire playerbase would be impossible to check against gate locations in anything resembling a downtime. They could easily remove all bookmarks but then that would remove all the tactical bookmarks like sniper spots, safespots, insta-undocks etc. That wouldn't be a good thing.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:40:00 - [30] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/11/2006 11:42:44 Originally by: The Major Because the number of bookmarks over the entire playerbase would be impossible to check against gate locations in anything resembling a downtime. They could easily remove all bookmarks but then that would remove all the tactical bookmarks like sniper spots, safespots, insta-undocks etc. That wouldn't be a good thing. Yeah, I meant instas only of course. Other bookmarks are essential to keep. But when you have a super performance cluster like ccp does, in the top 400 of the worlds super computers, then you would think that it would be pretty capable of running a database delete even if its a bit slow for normal computers. You could just store the locations of all the gates in memory in a hashtable, then compare the bookmark coordinates to those locations. Should be pretty quick? Of course I really dont know much about it, im just assuming it could be made to work... :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

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