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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.07.16 12:04:07 -
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Exactly. See?
You're approaching it from your perspective as a nullsec pilot.
I'm approaching it from my perspective as a wormholer.
There is no right or wrong, our desires aren't going to meet or match up. For most wormholers null is little more than a part-time thing, a place you go for something a little different or for times when your chain is seriously empty of content. For you, however, these wormhole connections are absolutely critical for ease of logistics. This change might mean you have to scan more, or travel a few jumps and risk a fight with other nullsec groups. Likewise it means we have to scan more, jump more holes and risk more fights with other wormholers while trying to get our null roam on. Heaven forbid.
Mikha'el Airuta wrote:LOL at calling Ms. Dusette a farmer. If you actually lived in WH space, you would know she and her family are the most dedicated pure WH PvP oriented ppl, I have ever met there. But I forgive you, you cant see that from Jita station.
That dank isk tho.
You're a sweety, Mik. ^^
Tbh though, I have over forty characters and not one of them even owns a PVE ship. Unless you count the mining barges three of my characters fly in a rookie system where I mentor new pilots in my spare time. I think the last time I even shot a sleeper was when it had one of our pilots pointed after a fight.
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1039
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Posted - 2015.07.16 12:06:47 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:For most wormholers null is little more than a part-time thing, a place you go for something a little different or for times when your chain is seriously empty of content.
ok if you say so..
Cant speak for other wormholers from my perspective.
Erica Dusette wrote:For you, however, these wormhole connections are absolutely critical for ease of logistics. This change might mean you have to scan more, or travel a few jumps and risk a fight with other nullsec groups.
not at all, our logistics is 100% independent from wormholes. |
Winthorp
3567
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Posted - 2015.07.16 12:09:54 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:
Tbh though, I have over forty characters and not one of them even owns a PVE ship.
And what if i said to you that i consider a Barghest a PVE ship.
What of these allegations my lady? How do you plead?
I am Winthorp, you might remember me from such films as "Winthorp is to blame for permanent signature ID's".
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
48172
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Posted - 2015.07.16 12:57:35 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:For most wormholers null is little more than a part-time thing, a place you go for something a little different or for times when your chain is seriously empty of content.
ok if you say so.. Cant speak for other wormholers from my perspective.
True, some people may be different and live in w-space just to fly in null.
Losing those people won't really effect w-space as they obviously never roam and fight in it anyway, so ...
Robert Caldera wrote:not at all, our logistics is 100% independent from wormholes. Its more about finding a fight in some different part of null, chance which is practically void in Aegis, dunno how this can be considered to be good, unless you are a carrier ratter in some deep ass farming grounds in null.
Fair enough.
But is it really going to make a massive difference? I mean you'll probably still have plenty of holes spawn within a few jumps of wherever you are. I'm sure having multiple spawn in your home system is a nice luxury though, sure, and I can see how people wouldn't want to lose that.
Winthorp wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:
Tbh though, I have over forty characters and not one of them even owns a PVE ship.
And what if i said to you that i consider a Barghest a PVE ship. What of these allegations my lady? How do you plead?
If you class POS as an environmental opponent then guilty as charged, sir. 
Also, why am I even posting here so much. I hate nullsex. 
One of those nights ...
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
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Jezza McWaffle
No Vacancies
234
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:08:42 -
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Im with Erica on this one, It's not like its hard to find nulls even after the change, scanning doesn't take ages and if you get a load of c5 connections then you very likely to have a null exit, I'd much rather promote staying in the WH chain than going to null cause null frankly sucks, blobbing or station gaming is not challenging.
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1232
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:11:24 -
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glad the non-retards are echoing my sentiments from the first page~ Some say I'm a prophet I just say I'm blessed
For the people whining "oh it's so hard to move caps without nulls" then go look for LS holes? It's even easier to move through there and it's not like you're going to get #rekkingcr(uski)ewed. Roaming null isn't WH content, if it is then PL is a toptier WH alice since we roam null for content too. Pls include us on the spreadsheet tia in advance.
Winthorp is right, whining entitled babbies cry whenever they have to adapt.
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
48180
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:26:53 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Some say I'm a prophet I just say I'm blessed
You're pretty much the only good thing null has going for it.
Still think you'd be better off back in wormholes though. 
For the record I vouched for you, but was blobbed and podded out of the discussion.
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1234
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:28:10 -
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All I want is slack access :<
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1039
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:32:25 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:
True, some people may be different and live in w-space just to fly in null.
Losing those people won't really effect w-space as they obviously never roam and fight in it anyway, so ...
I dont think there are people living in WH space purely for k-space ganks/roams, its more of addon content on top of scarce WH stuff I would assume but again, these wormholers would need to raise their voice here.
Erica Dusette wrote:
But is it really going to make a massive difference?
it made a difference, as I said CCP pushed the whole thing into the realm of time waste.
Erica Dusette wrote:I mean you'll probably still have plenty of holes spawn within a few jumps of wherever you are.
not at all. You have to probe a whole region for 1-2 poor/EOL null chains you dont want. Why I said multiple times it became time waste, noone is gonna probe whole evening for that.
Erica Dusette wrote:I'm sure having multiple spawn in your home system is a nice luxury though, sure, and I can see how people wouldn't want to lose that.
dunno how you got an image of nullseccers skewed that much, pre-Aegis you had to scan your area around your home and usually one of probers found some good chain within 15 jumps from where you live - a lot of probing work was implied to find them and you got rewarded with a fight or gank - effort and reward balance was quite decent..
Multiple in your home system, holy sh.. that would've been nice but it was faaaaaar from that.
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
48180
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:34:55 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:All I want is slack access :<
I'm working on it ...
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1235
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:43:54 -
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the use of emojis will SURELY sway them
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
48180
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:47:18 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:the use of emojis will SURELY sway them
I can't help it. It's just the way you make me feel.
I can go edit it and throw in some love hearts and **** too if you think that might help?
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1235
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:53:29 -
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tell them I keep it :100::100::100:
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Mark Hadden
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
61
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:06:59 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:glad the non-retards are echoing my sentiments from the first page~ Some say I'm a prophet I just say I'm blessed
For the people whining "oh it's so hard to move caps without nulls" then go look for LS holes? It's even easier to move through there and it's not like you're going to get #rekkingcr(uski)ewed. Roaming null isn't WH content, if it is then PL is a toptier WH alice since we roam null for content too. Pls include us on the spreadsheet tia in advance.
Winthorp is right, whining entitled babbies cry whenever they have to adapt.
"whining entitled babbies", did you ever try to find any useable chain for us since the nerf or are you one of those who jump on a set up fleet by ping and have absolutely no idea about the undergoing effort of preparation? Judging by your posts, I would rather assume the last, you also arent in the wh channel on IRC. Maybe you should go probing by yourself prior calling others "whining babies", just saying. |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1235
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:11:35 -
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Mark Hadden wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:glad the non-retards are echoing my sentiments from the first page~ Some say I'm a prophet I just say I'm blessed
For the people whining "oh it's so hard to move caps without nulls" then go look for LS holes? It's even easier to move through there and it's not like you're going to get #rekkingcr(uski)ewed. Roaming null isn't WH content, if it is then PL is a toptier WH alice since we roam null for content too. Pls include us on the spreadsheet tia in advance.
Winthorp is right, whining entitled babbies cry whenever they have to adapt. "whining entitled babbies", did you ever try to find any useable chain for us since the nerf or are you one of those who jump on a set up fleet by ping and have absolutely no idea about the underlying effort of preparation? Judging by your posts, I would rather assume the last, you also arent in the wh channel on IRC. Maybe you should go probing by yourself prior calling others "whining babies", just saying.
No I've definitely never probed before nor do I have prober alts. Nope never 
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
85
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:12:54 -
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If you want nullsec connections so much go live in thera, it has been made for that purpose.
I've yet to notice a decline in nullsec connections in c6's.
~lvl 60 paladin~
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1039
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:20:53 -
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Neckbeard Nolyfe wrote:If you want nullsec connections so much go live in thera, it has been made for that purpose.
I've yet to notice a decline in nullsec connections in c6's.
C6 havent been nerfed, its C5 which got the nerfhammer. |
Aladar Dangerface
13.
Enigma Project
187
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:55:33 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:
Wormholers can still find a null exit easy as pie if we wanted. We generally have multiple null exits in chain daily. The problem is when you're surrounded by a smorgasbord of null it becomes easier to forget w-space all together and just go on a null roam (I see it first hand), and that I do not like. It's a nice option, but some nerfs to stop it being the first choice for pvp are good imo.
This is exactly how i feel about it, while going on a null roam can be fun i would prefer to only do it when my chain is completely dead , i would never chose to do it over scouting my chain for a fight in wh space and the reduction (not complete removal like the duder from PL is shouting about) will more than likely force people to find more content and stay in their chains.
No wormholer worth their salt is gona move out of w-space just because they cant find enough null exits, that just ridiculous.
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I'm already following you.
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CivilWars
Rolled Out
Triumvirate.
295
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:41:39 -
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My teartank is full again. Thx wh forum, you always deliver.
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TurboX3
Hax.
Wrecked.
130
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Posted - 2015.07.16 20:57:28 -
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R.I.P. W-Space
No Trolling Please
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Justin Cody
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
296
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Posted - 2015.07.16 22:36:40 -
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Aladar Dangerface wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:
Wormholers can still find a null exit easy as pie if we wanted. We generally have multiple null exits in chain daily. The problem is when you're surrounded by a smorgasbord of null it becomes easier to forget w-space all together and just go on a null roam (I see it first hand), and that I do not like. It's a nice option, but some nerfs to stop it being the first choice for pvp are good imo.
This is exactly how i feel about it, while going on a null roam can be fun i would prefer to only do it when my chain is completely dead , i would never chose to do it over scouting my chain for a fight in wh space and the reduction (not complete removal like the duder from PL is shouting about) will more than likely force people to find more content and stay in their chains. No wormholer worth their salt is gona move out of w-space just because they cant find enough null exits, that just ridiculous.
You're wrong. There isn't enough content actively W-space because of risk averse nullbears that precipitated this change. Hell most of C6 space is either rented or empty and the same goes for C5.
Sure a few entities have c3 and under space but pvp is still limited there compared to a nice spontaneous null roam. Its fun getting Pith X-type large shield booster drops from Ishtars and also killing Gilas. The fact that you get less notice because Wh's are "everywhere" isn't an excuse to nerf the **** out of it.
The other day we rolled holes for 2 hours before we got a single null anywhere in our chain. It's bull. |
Justin Cody
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
296
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Posted - 2015.07.16 22:38:07 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Neckbeard Nolyfe wrote:If you want nullsec connections so much go live in thera, it has been made for that purpose.
I've yet to notice a decline in nullsec connections in c6's.
C6 havent been nerfed, its C5 which got the nerfhammer.
C248's were nerfed from 48 hours down to 16 as were Z142's across the board - yes c6's got nerfed. |
Daimian Mercer
Tripwire Mapper
151
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Posted - 2015.07.16 23:14:55 -
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Once the fighting subsides and you guys want more data on the topic send me a evemail or gmail daimian.mercer - sorry it is hard to keep up with all the posts.
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
2581
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Posted - 2015.07.17 00:00:30 -
[114] - Quote
*stares hard at J123555 and cohorts with laser death eyes of pointed staringness*
*like, seriously stared at them*
*notes they have nullsec statics*
*refutes "oh we like our cap fites" with "once a month tops sobig loss you entitled queefbags"*
*ogles K346*
*fondles Q003*
Oh, right, it's rude to stare isn't it?
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Iyokus Patrouette
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
566
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:01:16 -
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aaaannnnddd iiiiiiiiiiiii Will alllwwwaaayyyysss llloooovvveee yyooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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Kynric
Sky Fighters
326
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:04:50 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:*stares hard at J123555 and cohorts with laser death eyes of pointed staringness*
*like, seriously stared at them*
*notes they have nullsec statics*
*refutes "oh we like our cap fites" with "once a month tops sobig loss you entitled queefbags"*
*ogles K346*
*fondles Q003*
Oh, right, it's rude to stare isn't it?
If only it were that simple. Within my corporation there are pilots that love their big ships as well as pilots that could not possibly care any less about big ships. Among the ones that like the big ships are guys that have put years of skill training focused only on their great big boat. Nevermind that they rarely use the silly things, that ship is a part of them and they are part of the family. These guys have been together for years. Until now a c5/c5 because it had previously had so many null exits could practically be thought of as having a null static. As such our home worked well for both groups of pilots and they were quite happy.
This change if it persists will force a choice that will leave one or the other portion of pilots very unhappy. That is the sort of choice that results in fewer pilots actually playing the game. Perhaps you have not noticed, but in the US timezone c5 space is an empty hollow wasteland of inactivity. Hole after hole without either ships or wrecks to be seen. Nearly all content is found by leaving it for lower class space or null rather than inside the 5/5 highway. This recent change will likely make that rather poor situation worse rather than better. What I want from CCP is a solution that results in both groups of interests being just as happy and eager to play EVE as they were before this change was made. |
Kynric
Sky Fighters
326
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:06:36 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:*stares hard at J123555 and cohorts with laser death eyes of pointed staringness*
*like, seriously stared at them*
*notes they have nullsec statics*
*refutes "oh we like our cap fites" with "once a month tops sobig loss you entitled queefbags"*
*ogles K346*
*fondles Q003*
Oh, right, it's rude to stare isn't it?
If only it were that simple. Within my corporation there are pilots that love their big ships as well as pilots that could not possibly care any less about big ships. Among the ones that like the big ships are guys that have put years of skill training focused only on their great big boat. Nevermind that they rarely use the silly things, that ship is a part of them and they are part of the family. These guys have been together for years. Until now a c5/c5 because it had previously had so many null exits could practically be thought of as having a null static. As such our home worked well for both groups of pilots and they were quite happy.
This change if it persists will force a choice that will leave one or the other portion of pilots very unhappy. That is the sort of choice that results in fewer pilots actually playing the game. Perhaps you have not noticed, but in the US timezone c5 space is an empty hollow wasteland of inactivity. Hole after hole without either ships or wrecks to be seen. Nearly all content is found by leaving it for lower class space or null rather than inside the 5/5 highway. This recent change will likely make that rather poor situation worse rather than better. What I want from CCP is a solution that results in both groups of interests being just as happy and eager to play EVE as they were before this change was made. |
Nox52
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
85
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Posted - 2015.07.17 03:30:11 -
[118] - Quote
Kynric wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:*stares hard at J123555 and cohorts with laser death eyes of pointed staringness*
*like, seriously stared at them*
*notes they have nullsec statics*
*refutes "oh we like our cap fites" with "once a month tops sobig loss you entitled queefbags"*
*ogles K346*
*fondles Q003*
Oh, right, it's rude to stare isn't it? If only it were that simple. Within my corporation there are pilots that love their big ships as well as pilots that could not possibly care any less about big ships. Among the ones that like the big ships are guys that have put years of skill training focused only on their great big boat. Nevermind that they rarely use the silly things, that ship is a part of them and they are part of the family. These guys have been together for years. Until now a c5/c5 because it had previously had so many null exits could practically be thought of as having a null static. As such our home worked well for both groups of pilots and they were quite happy. This change if it persists will force a choice that will leave one or the other portion of pilots very unhappy. That is the sort of choice that results in fewer pilots actually playing the game. Perhaps you have not noticed, but in the US timezone c5 space is an empty hollow wasteland of inactivity. Hole after hole without either ships or wrecks to be seen. Nearly all content is found by leaving it for lower class space or null rather than inside the 5/5 highway. This recent change will likely make that rather poor situation worse rather than better. What I would like from CCP is a solution that results in both groups of interests being just as happy and eager to play EVE as they were before this change was made.
And your problem steams very acutely from the fact that the c5-c5 superhighway is now virtually carebearland deluxe, mainly out of the mechanic that it's safer to bear up by rolling the holes and cushioning yourself in nice fluffy isolation. No amount of intrinsic wormhole spawn/time changes will change that.
You're really missing the null access so to speak because your chain is dead.
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc.
Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
199
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Posted - 2015.07.17 05:22:52 -
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How can anyone say it is a good change?
Everyone like the more connections c4's have gotten, now c5's get less.
Less connections, less content, for everybody!
No local in null sec would fix everything!
Fleet warp proposal = the rubix cube is back into eve especialy the second part of the saying.
Wh players need to adapt, null sec players get the rules changed.
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Winthorp
3574
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Posted - 2015.07.17 06:55:37 -
[120] - Quote
unimatrix0030 wrote:How can anyone say it is a good change?
Everyone like the more connections c4's have gotten, now c5's get less.
Less connections, less content, for everybody!
Are you really going to compare dual WH statics in C4's to the plethora of Null WH's that was in C5's?
I am Winthorp, you might remember me from such films as "Winthorp is to blame for permanent signature ID's".
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