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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
728
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Posted - 2015.07.15 10:10:56 -
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I'm curious whether the horrific situation I'm seeing in C5 space is just me being biased or not. So please post here what you see in your chains, how many C5s, C6s, how many nulls, what state, do they last, do they close in your face, etc. How ****** we really are?
we live in c5/c5 and currently have 8 C5s, 2 C6s and one null...
Dont kid yourself, noone will read this, nothing will get reverted, but it would be nice to have a bigger picture and a representative sample of the pit of **** we got thrown into (again).
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corbexx
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1375
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Posted - 2015.07.15 10:25:35 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote:I'm curious whether the horrific situation I'm seeing in C5 space is just me being biased or not. So please post here what you see in your chains, how many C5s, C6s, how many nulls, what state, do they last, do they close in your face, etc. How ****** we really are? we live in c5/c5 and currently have 8 C5s, 2 C6s and one null... Dont kid yourself, noone will read this, nothing will get reverted, but it would be nice to have a bigger picture and a representative sample of the pit of **** we got thrown into (again).
I read it.
I've spoken to a few c5 groups and asked if they could record the number of c5's and incoming and out going nulls but here is a handy space to put it. I've also spoke to Daimian mercer about if he can get some data from trip wire.
Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
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Artemis Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.15 10:56:19 -
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The 16 hour thing is a PITA, we have a static null and the lifecycle is irritating between timezones. At 24 hours, getting a nice system/location it was good to run intel for the other TZ from EUTZ, not the hole lifetimes are much shorter it makes this a lot harder.
I realise we can rage roll, but 24 hours was a good number for early EUTZ to do the legwork for west coasters an still leave enough time for fun when we found a good linkage.
Wish the statics hadn't been altered :S |
Bleedingthrough
Project AIice
171
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Posted - 2015.07.15 11:10:00 -
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Yesterdays chain: 7 C5s in total, 1 Null
Todays b4 DT chain was your chain. :-)
This is by no means statisticaly significant but it surely feels different.
C2s with a null statics feel so appealing again. 
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5305080#post5305080
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Callista Spada
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
9
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Posted - 2015.07.15 11:27:44 -
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Probably a tad too early to jump to conclusions. One day worth of testing can't produce a pattern and all deductions made are quite random. Especially the K162s that are opened from NS/LS are closed with higher probability due to people interrupting their normal routines with the new sov and all. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1037
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:33:36 -
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confirm WH space being fcked.
almost no chains left. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
2572
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:39:52 -
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We c4 people deal with 16 hour lifetimes quite fine - and that's our static wormholes, not random holes to k-space. Really, transients could have 8 hour lifetimes and it would be fine - if it goes EOL, you just roll your actual static and re-roll the dice. i don't see the lifetime being an issue - if it is an issue, you are holding onto your chain too much to make use of it.
I can't comment on C5 space much, but we notice no difference in nullsec density thus far. it's a shame, I really wanted to make use of that new website to go harass random sov timers throughout space. Looks like we cannot. Guess that only people with authenticated Blue Donut Certified Nullsec membership Cards can attend!
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Bleedingthrough
Project AIice
173
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:05:30 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:confirm WH space being fcked.
almost no chains left, ccp cut them by like 90%, so far for "a small decrease of spawn rate".
Yea, life-time and decreased rate stack multiplicative when it comes to how many of these holes you encounter, e.g. 16/24 * (1-"small reduction").
@Trinket
Quote: Small decreases in the spawn rate of random Null -> C5 and C5 -> Null connections. This change does not affect static connections.
A decrease in the lifetime of Nullsec WH connections to 16 hours (most were previously 24 hours).
Maybe this has something to do with C4 space only getting frig WHs to null and it not being C5 space. :-) just trolling
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5305080#post5305080
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Methea Selenis
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
0
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:13:57 -
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My understanding is that the N432 (starting form null and leading to C5 space) worms were either removed or drastically nerfed. I had one every two systems usually in Stain and today I did not find any in three hours roaming. This hurts me a lot because I used to use short worm chains to store loot in HS. I believe it is possible to find some middle ground between the yesterday's profusion and what I exeperienced today. |
Jonn Duune
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
9
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:26:28 -
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corbexx wrote:Axloth Okiah wrote:I'm curious whether the horrific situation I'm seeing in C5 space is just me being biased or not. So please post here what you see in your chains, how many C5s, C6s, how many nulls, what state, do they last, do they close in your face, etc. How ****** we really are? we live in c5/c5 and currently have 8 C5s, 2 C6s and one null... Dont kid yourself, noone will read this, nothing will get reverted, but it would be nice to have a bigger picture and a representative sample of the pit of **** we got thrown into (again). I read it. I've spoken to a few c5 groups and asked if they could record the number of c5's and incoming and out going nulls but here is a handy space to put it. I've also spoke to Daimian mercer about if he can get some data from trip wire.
Our null sec connections seemed fewer (typically in a chain of 5 wormholes deep, we'll have between 5-10 null secs, but recently that number has seemed to drop to around 2 nullsecs) |
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Kynric
Sky Fighters
322
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:43:47 -
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Bleedingthrough wrote:
Yea, life-time and decreased rate stack multiplicative when it comes to how many of these holes you encounter, e.g. 16/24 * (1-"small reduction").
Operationally its a bit worse than that as wormholes found in the EOL will likely not be used for roams. This is further increased if fewer people, are in space scanning/opening the holes from the null side which recent pilot counts would tend to suggest. Generally it takes 3-4 null wormhole finds to find one useful one, as such it is a rather large loss of content.
Yesterday my home had two null holes in our chain. One connection was from a c3 with a static null the other from a low. We had no c5 to null connections. Small sample size but it made for a dull evening with an early logoff. |
Bleedingthrough
Project AIice
173
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:48:35 -
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Kynric wrote:Bleedingthrough wrote:
Yea, life-time and decreased rate stack multiplicative when it comes to how many of these holes you encounter, e.g. 16/24 * (1-"small reduction").
Operationally its a bit worse than that as wormholes found in the EOL will likely not be used for roams. This is further increased if fewer people, are in space scanning/opening the holes from the null side which recent pilot counts would tend to suggest. Generally it takes 3-4 null wormhole finds to find one useful one, as such it is a rather large loss of content. Yesterday my home had two null holes in our chain. One connection was from a c3 with a static null the other from a low. We had no c5 to null connections. Small sample size but it made for a dull evening with an early logoff.
Good point, will keep track of the number of EoLs.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5305080#post5305080
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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
624
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:49:59 -
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There goes moving capitals from wormhole to wormhole via null... |
Bronya Boga
Isogen 5
575
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:09:59 -
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This morning we had 8 c5s in chain and no nulls :( |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1225
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:23:34 -
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if you want to go to null so bad just move there~
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1645
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:43:30 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:if you want to go to null so bad just move there~
If you want to rat without the risk, just move to highsec |
CivilWars
Rolled Out
Triumvirate.
295
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:54:43 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:if you want to go to null so bad just move there~
M8, I need people to stroke my e-peen about racking up kills vs afktars and miners while colonizing "dangerous space".
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1225
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:04:53 -
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afkalt wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:if you want to go to null so bad just move there~ If you want to rat without the risk, just move to highsec
>ratting in tyool2015
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Zekora Rally
Negative Density
Whatever.
22
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:26:21 -
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I can confirm that the spawn rate of null holes has been reduced dramatically whether it is K162 or N432. Currently, we run into a null every 5 holes or so we scan compared to getting drowned in null connections before the patch. |
Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc.
Ixtab.
249
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:38:40 -
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corbexx wrote:I've also spoke to Daimian mercer about if he can get some data from trip wire.
From our mapping tool...
Before 2015-07-07 DT: ratio of NS to C5+C6 is 52.8%
(sample size: several thousand systems)
After 2015-07-07 DT: ratio down to 38.9%
(sample size: a couple hundred systems)
Not sure if they changed something this Tuesday. Ratio yesterday was 11%, but the sample size is way too small to draw any conclusions from that.
Note: I don't log the type of the connection, meaning static null holes and the occasional null-null are included in this data set. |
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1037
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:45:11 -
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reduction from 52% to 38% absolutely doesnt reflect my experience.
While I was finding 10 C5 entrys pre-patch, I even struggle to find 1 post-patch. |
Methea Selenis
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:15:42 -
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Jack Hayson wrote:
Not sure if they changed something this Tuesday. Ratio yesterday was 11%, but the sample size is way too small to draw any conclusions from that.
Note: I don't log the type of the connection, meaning static null holes and the occasional null-null are included in this data set.
I believe the change happened just yesterday and not on 7th. 11% seems even to high compared with my experience. |
Arden Bastilla
Defiance LLC
Praetorian Directorate
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:17:43 -
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I know in our C5 w/C4 we regularly had 2-4 NS every day. Yesterday when I logged we had 0 null, 4 C4 (one was static), C5, and LS for our current connections.
It sounds like their algorithms for spawning are a bit skewed now compared to before. I imaged a C5/C6 should have anywhere from 1-3 additional WH connections on avg not including the static(s). I wouldn't be surprised to see 1 NS every day on avg. |
Dark Armata
Exit-Strategy
Exit Strategy..
153
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:38:50 -
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Previously during rage roll/scanning you basically couldn't find a C5 without one or more null sec connections.
I will get some numbers from our next session, but from the couple sessions so far it was about 1 null per 5 (with most of those being EOL).
W-Space IS Best Space
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Sleepaz Den
Artificial Memories
5
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:40:15 -
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I'm wondering how the change was executed. If they did some magic to adjust all current connections to new standards, wouldn't wonder if the K162s got affected somewhat somehow aswell, like closing/resetting timer to 16h and most exits are down (again).
Server changes or whatever and suddenly your outgoing has not begun its cycle sounds famliar.
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc.
Ixtab.
249
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:43:38 -
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f*ck I'm bored...
(orange line is 7 day rolling average)
random stuff is random |
Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
56
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:56:46 -
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Confirmed that we have also been seeing similar effects re a paucity of nulls.
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Dont kid yourself, noone will read this, nothing will get reverted, but it would be nice to have a bigger picture and a representative sample of the pit of **** we got thrown into (again).
So much for gradual change and 'keeping an eye on statistics'.
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Daimian Mercer
Tripwire Mapper
145
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:58:07 -
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Here is a very quick data dump from Tripwire: http://puu.sh/j0vVU/b98997a5fd.png
This is the # of signatures added with one end being one of the following:
'K346','K329','E545','C248','S199','V283','Z142','Z060'
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1038
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:08:03 -
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look specifically after Z142 and N432. |
Daimian Mercer
Tripwire Mapper
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:14:17 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:look specifically after Z142 and N432.
much more drastic of a difference: http://puu.sh/j0xfd/a5cbf68004.png
Creator of Tripwire mapping tool -
EVE-O thread
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