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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.07.17 06:58:00 -
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Kynric wrote:
If only it were that simple. Within my corporation there are pilots that love their big ships as well as pilots that could not possibly care any less about big ships. Among the ones that like the big ships are guys that have put years of skill training focused only on their great big boat. Nevermind that they rarely use the silly things, that ship is a part of them and they are part of the family. These guys have been together for years. Until now a c5/c5 because it had previously had so many null exits could practically be thought of as having a null static. As such our home worked well for both groups of pilots and they were quite happy.
This change if it persists will force a choice that will leave one or the other portion of pilots very unhappy. That is the sort of choice that results in fewer pilots actually playing the game. Perhaps you have not noticed, but in the US timezone c5 space is an empty hollow wasteland of inactivity. Hole after hole without either ships or wrecks to be seen. Nearly all content is found by leaving it for lower class space or null rather than inside the 5/5 highway. This recent change will likely make that rather poor situation worse rather than better. What I would like from CCP is a solution that results in both groups of interests being just as happy and eager to play EVE as they were before this change was made.
So you are saying, basically, that there's two types of C5 players. The guys who are attached umbilically to their caps and those who aren't.
I mean, I accept your argument. I dumped a good 12 months of skills into capitals (which as you know, isn't perfect skills by any means). I still have 3 carriers and a dread. Maybe two, I cbf searching my loot pile. More fool me, thinking bigger was better, or just doing it because i can.
But does that mean I have to live in a C5, and fight with caps, and moan horribly every time something bad happens to C5's (like, daily it seems), but never change my ways, stuck in a C5 with a shrinking circle of grizzled, hairy-necked old rich men plowing the buttcracks of Sleepers day in and day out? No.
I can get my caps, and just jump them out to lowsec. Any lowsec. Park them up, or put them on contracts for whoever wants to buy them, take that ISK, roll it into a ball, katamari it up into a E/N C2, write off my cap skillpoints as "LOL CCP", learn how to use a MWD and transversal again, laugh uproariously at that idea, get into a Gila because ::drones::, and go to nullsec on a daily basis.
There's no argument for why C5's HAVE TO be all about the caps, and that because it's all abut the caps that means you should have unfettered access to miles and miles of nullsec daily, and because it gets removed, it's impinging on your game.
In fact, you should split your corps. The old neckbeards can stay in their krab pots making money, and the other guys can shunt off down to a E/N C2 or a K346 or Z060, and get don to bidnuss schlepping about nullsec with no way for Fozzie to nerf them. Well, i say that now, but i'm sure if HK actually did move into an E/N hole, and did turn it into a terrifying unsinkable spawn point of death in nullsec, then Sort Dragon would ask for C2's to be removed from the game and it would happen.
Poor Sort Dragon.
Rest of you can adapt or DIAF.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2015.07.17 07:48:19 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:How can anyone say it is a good change?
Everyone like the more connections c4's have gotten, now c5's get less.
Less connections, less content, for everybody!
they think they will get more WH fights because people cant roam null anymore. |
Aladar Dangerface
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Enigma Project
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Posted - 2015.07.17 09:36:29 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:
Rest of you can adapt or DIAF.
Couldn't have out it better myself.
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Aladar Dangerface
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Enigma Project
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Posted - 2015.07.17 09:41:50 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:How can anyone say it is a good change?
Everyone like the more connections c4's have gotten, now c5's get less.
Less connections, less content, for everybody!
they think they will get more WH fights because people cant roam null anymore.
Well facing up to reality only gives you two real options (whining like a little ***** not being one of them).
1. Leave wh space and go live in null, if that's where you want to fight.
or
2. Go further down you chain and look for fights.
Like i have previously said, the majority of people won't leave to go for null (since wormholers in general have a disdain for null-seccers) because of these changes, so it only really leaves one option doesn't it?
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2015.07.17 09:49:48 -
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you might hold onto your adapt or die narrative but you shouldnt forget, once enough people choose to DIAF (read: leave WH and do something else) you'll DIAF with them. In a game like eve with a very little playerbase, in an even smaller fraction of the wormholers player pool - this is likely to happen sooner than you'd think.
I cant speak much about WH space overall, since I dont live there but every time I pass, it feels like stepping through a ghost town.
Time will tell.. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2015.07.17 09:53:03 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:rabble rabble rabble
Are you still going to counter every single posters opinion without still even posting why you need or want it to be like before?
Maybe you can edit quote them some more...
I am Winthorp, you might remember me from such films as "Winthorp is to blame for permanent signature ID's".
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Aladar Dangerface
13.
Enigma Project
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:15:45 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:
I cant speak much about WH space overall, since I dont live there but every time I pass, it feels like stepping through a ghost town.
We are there, cloaked, in our proteii, watching, waiting..............
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I'm already following you.
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:57:43 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:How can anyone say it is a good change?
Everyone like the more connections c4's have gotten, now c5's get less.
Less connections, less content, for everybody!
More connections to other w-space systems is always good.
More connections to null is a different thing all together. 
I don't want more null content, thanks. I'd live in null if I did. More wormhole content is always welcome though.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:58:26 -
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Aladar Dangerface wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:
I cant speak much about WH space overall, since I dont live there but every time I pass, it feels like stepping through a ghost town.
We are there, cloaked, in our proteii, watching, waiting..............
So I found those probes in my static converging on the K162 I just punched in, I just left it for a quick check. Get my sabre ready. While waiting, a second sabre lands next to me and cloaks up. Scanner jumps, other sabre decloaks to go for the scanner, I decloak to sabre that sabre, another proteus decloaks and both sabres **** their pants, jump through and panicwarp to some random spot.
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Michael1995
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2015.07.17 11:47:02 -
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Winthorp wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:How can anyone say it is a good change?
Everyone like the more connections c4's have gotten, now c5's get less.
Less connections, less content, for everybody!
Are you really going to compare dual WH statics in C4's to the plethora of Null WH's that was in C5's?
I dunno about other corps but we always scan in Null systems for more N432s to keep the chain going. Don't think that this nerf just takes away from wormholers being able to ~gank~ nullbears. It's also taken away chances of coming across wormholers via N432 chains off Null systems.
Wtb more roaming C5>C5/6 wormholes. Like what C2 space has. Dual W-Space statics would also be dope. 
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1238
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Posted - 2015.07.17 13:48:23 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:
I don't want more null content, thanks. I'd live in null if I did. More wormhole content is always welcome though.
no it's a WHer's god-given right to be able to roam null as much as they want
Thera has a bunch of null statics~
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.07.17 14:08:38 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:
I don't want more null content, thanks. I'd live in null if I did. More wormhole content is always welcome though.
no it's a WHer's god-given right to be able to roam null as much as they want Thera has a bunch of null statics~
But Thera is null s ... oh, I get it now.
Anyway, call me traditional but **** nullsec.
You read half the posts here and in the same breath people complain about lack of content in w-space, while simultaneously promoting further connections to take more fleets out of w-space. Michael mentioned nulls connectivity to further w-space, and that's a good point, but lets be honest, most people want the nulls for null, not the next connection to w-space. It's a great option to have, and a nice change at times, but imo it's becoming all too common for peope to write off their chains even before they login sometimes, even in my corp I hear people planning what they're going to do in null next time they login. **** that. Rage roll? Nope. Scan further down chain? Nope. Roll static and scan a fresh chain. Sometimes. Null roam? Yeah!
And people wonder why nobody is in chain. GTFO out of anoikis.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter
Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2015.07.17 14:25:26 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:no it's a WHer's god-given right to be able to roam null as much as they want
God giveth, god taketh...
Ahem. Sorry.
Anyway, I could never imagine wormhole life without ability to go raid null from beyond.
I mean, we have Imperium now apparently, why can't we have Eye of Terror then? |
CivilWars
Rolled Out
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.07.17 15:39:11 -
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Recruits or "blues" everything they can.
Evicts everyone they can't recruit or blue.
Complains there is no content in their "area".
Is this the null sub-forum, or wormhole sub-forum? I may be lost.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2015.07.17 15:44:37 -
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CivilWars wrote:Recruits or "blues" everything they can.
Evicts everyone they can't recruit or blue.
Complains there is no content in their "area".
Is this the null sub-forum, or wormhole sub-forum? I may be lost.
You are in the wormhole subsection, random dooder #46. |
CivilWars
Rolled Out
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.07.17 15:49:38 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:CivilWars wrote:Recruits or "blues" everything they can.
Evicts everyone they can't recruit or blue.
Complains there is no content in their "area".
Is this the null sub-forum, or wormhole sub-forum? I may be lost. You are in the wormhole subsection, random dooder #46.
Oh noes, a blue fire reject tried to insult me. Whatever shall I do?
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.07.17 15:51:58 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:CivilWars wrote:Recruits or "blues" everything they can.
Evicts everyone they can't recruit or blue.
Complains there is no content in their "area".
Is this the null sub-forum, or wormhole sub-forum? I may be lost. You are in the wormhole subsection, random dooder #46.
damn that was weak
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.07.17 15:55:01 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:random dooder #46.
He can't be that random, surely.
He seems to get it. You'd almost think he'd spent years in wormholes.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2015.07.17 15:56:51 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:CivilWars wrote:Recruits or "blues" everything they can.
Evicts everyone they can't recruit or blue.
Complains there is no content in their "area".
Is this the null sub-forum, or wormhole sub-forum? I may be lost. You are in the wormhole subsection, random dooder #46. damn that was weak
Implying the whole thread isn't. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.17 16:07:15 -
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What about "one-way" holes, I mean, scannable only from one side, you pass, you bookmark and can go back, but no sig. And a lot of those into nullsec ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.07.17 16:17:11 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:
I don't want more null content, thanks. I'd live in null if I did. More wormhole content is always welcome though.
no it's a WHer's god-given right to be able to roam null as much as they want Thera has a bunch of null statics~ But Thera is null s ... oh, I get it now. Anyway, call me traditional but **** nullsec. You read half the posts here and in the same breath people complain about lack of content in w-space, while simultaneously promoting further connections to take more fleets out of w-space. Michael mentioned nulls connectivity to further w-space, and that's a good point, but lets be honest, most people want the nulls for null, not the next connection to w-space. It's a great option to have, and a nice change at times, but imo it's becoming all too common for peope to write off their chains even before they login sometimes, even in my corp I hear people planning what they're going to do in null next time they login. **** that. Rage roll? Nope. Scan further down chain? Nope. Roll static and scan a fresh chain. Sometimes. Null roam? Yeah! And people wonder why nobody is in chain. GTFO out of anoikis.
more like anoinkis B)
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.07.17 16:18:21 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:random dooder #46. He can't be that random, surely. He seems to get it. You'd almost think he'd spent years in wormholes.
no you're immediately excised from memory as soon as you leave
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CivilWars
Rolled Out
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.07.17 16:20:18 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:How can anyone say it is a good change?
Everyone like the more connections c4's have gotten, now c5's get less.
Less connections, less content, for everybody!
I will say it is good for w-space because it will encourage/force people to actually fight IN w-space. If there aren't enough people willing to actually fight IN w-space then they leave or quit. If you live in w-space, and someone who would never fight you anyway leaves then how exactly is it bad for you?
If you get most/all of your PVP in null then log off in a J system that doesn't make you a wormholer FYI.
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc.
Ixtab.
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Posted - 2015.07.17 16:20:59 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:And people wonder why nobody is in chain.
Do you think that those fleets would be sitting in their chain if there were no null holes?
Null holes cause people being in space and only that creates content. If you see a gang leaving through a null hole put a dictor there and catch them on their way back.
If there was no null hole they wouldn't be in space and probably not even logged in.
Besides... in certain parts of null those wormholes are the only threat left that ratters have to face.(well that and those super scary afk cloakers) Of course the carebears are pushing hard for their removal so that they can afk rat in safety. |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.07.17 16:23:00 -
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"if there weren't null holes I wouldn't even play this game"
I can't even
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CivilWars
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Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.07.17 16:23:21 -
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Jack Hayson wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:And people wonder why nobody is in chain. Do you think that those fleets would be sitting in their chain if there were no null holes? Null holes cause people being in space and only that creates content. If you see a gang leaving through a null hole put a dictor there and catch them on their way back. If there was no null hole they wouldn't be in space and probably not even logged in. Besides... in certain parts of null those wormholes are the only threat left that ratters have to face. (well that and those super scary afk cloakers) Of course the carebears are pushing hard for their removal so that they can afk rat in safety.
I, for one, know when I think of 1337 WH PVP the first thing that comes to mind is killing afktars. It might even be the definition in the wiki...
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Jezza McWaffle
No Vacancies
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Posted - 2015.07.17 16:44:57 -
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Yes a lack of null holes defintley means people will stop logging in...
Happy to see those players leave W-space tbh.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.07.17 17:05:34 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:random dooder #46. He can't be that random, surely. He seems to get it. You'd almost think he'd spent years in wormholes. no you're immediately excised from memory as soon as you leave
You're still burned into mine like a branding iron to my buttocks.
It hurts so good. 
Jack Hayson wrote:If there was no null hole they wouldn't be in space and probably not even logged in.
Oh dear.
You weren't supposed to say that, because it kinda supports what I was saying.
Though aside from that, I haven't really seen anyone pushing for less nulls, though granted I don't frequent places where farming-types make suggestions. All I have seen is "wormholers" taken a little off-guard by a sudden drop in these nulls and getting all upset about it, almost as if nullsec content was the main reason they were in wormholes. Yet they keep saying these null holes are critical for them to leave w-space to find content because there's no one in w-space.
Kinda see the pattern forming?
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2015.07.17 18:50:50 -
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plenty of null exits was always a viable reason to live in WH for many people, so was farming null bears.
Nothing wrong with that. Your dull arranged WH pvp wasnt everyones thing. |
La loca Fappuccino
The Power of Resolution
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Posted - 2015.07.17 18:54:33 -
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"There's something in the C4 chain."
"Cool, let's go shoot it."
"There's something out in the Low Sec."
"Cool, let's go shoot it."
"There's probably things out in Null somewhere."
"Cool, let's go shoot it."
I don't think I ever cared about where the content came from, just so long as it came. I've not noticed any shortage on the Wormhole side of pvp but that could just be my own personal experiences.
Maybe looking inwards is a good step forward for Wormhole space. It might even grow if we gave more of a damn about who's living in the Wormholes next to us rather than if it leads to sov or not. |
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