But there is no gap, and it's definitely not GÇ£evergrowingGÇ¥.

Why?
The combined training time of all 3 of those is less than 6 hours. I agree they should guide you towards useful skills like those, but why give them? Do you need CCP to hold your hand all the time?

Are you telling that the gap between average skill points for all pilots and starting skill points is not growing over time?

It seems to me that as an average, the longer the game is going, the larger that difference will be. This is the gap I am talking about.

Not angry in the least, just "Oy vey" about this whole thing, this subject has been brought up over and over and the new players get more and more crap and yet it never seems to help. (Adjust your reading tone)

At some point, it has to be evident that cramming them full of goodies right out the gate, does not help them.

There has to be a better way o approach this.

The point of this thread is suggesting a reduction (and not eliminating) the skill gaps as the technologies of ships in Eve continue to increase.
It is not about getting cyno alts faster or anything to that effect. In fact if steps can be taken to limit the interest of this for already established players, so much the better.



I do not disagree with that. Educating new players is critical.
But doing something about the skill gap is more about perception. More oftne than not, it is perception that matters. If at some point the perception for new players that competing with older players is so hopeless, then the game will wither from lack of newcomers.

The solution of accelerating skills time for some basic skills is also viable, as well as the ones about only getting these skills increase via the opportunities system. These are good thoughts to address this evergrowing gap.

I agree that giving a new player more SP won't help ( in fact it may just make things worse as they lack the understanding of why they have those skills and what their purpose is ), giving them the ability to earn SP through tutorials and instruction ( Opportunity ) was what I was saying would benefit them more, also using a dynamic mapping for the first few months would help with picking up all the skills a bit quicker during that "new player" time frame and help pick up the pace as well as having a foundation before a remap is available, it's hard to keep new players interested when they can only orbit an asteroid while they wait for some basic skill to finish.

I'm not against the skill point gap, it is needed and totally pointless to dispute, a 10m SP character can wreck a 100m SP character as long as the 10m SP is applied to skills suitable for the ship they are flying, a 100m SP player just has more options.

As for a better way to approach this, there definitely must be. At this point tho, the best approach I can think of is to have additional SP earned through instruction so they understand more about the skill system and to go with a dynamic mapping while they train up the base hodgepodge of skills ( drones, ships, engineering and such )

As for accelerating the skill training time, this basically is a big slap in the face to players who have spent not just time but also money training their current skills. How do you plan on addressing this loss for those players. Driving away existing players does not strike me as a good strategy for promoting a healthy game. Can I get a refund on past subscriptions IGÇÖve paid? Basically, IGÇÖm being retroactively punished for coming to the game sooner.

But there is no gap, and it's definitely not GÇ£evergrowingGÇ¥.

Altering the mechanics will not change the perception, so that's not really a viable route to take. It's the incorrect perception that needs to be addressed, because that's all there is.

Just read that piece from Crossing Zebras.

If Iunderstand well, the most recent addition to the CSM, Gorski, is pushing for an increase in skill points for new players.
I do not necessarily agree on the power grid to level 5, and would rather see a racial frigate to level 4, but I believe this is a good discussion that the CSM is having.

For the same reason im against giving essentially free SP to new players unless the rest of us get the same amount.

I really don't like these kind of responses; they're childish and don't consider the barrier for a newer player to have fun. Assisting new players has no detrimental effect on you other than your sense of entitlement.
Playing EVE should be fun and newer players shouldn't be subjected to a rite of passage or extended periods waiting for skills to complete. We're all here to play with internet spaceships and harvest tears; without new players, our collective pool of harvestable tears will dwindle.

It is the same barrier that has always been there. And what about the guy who started 2 months before this change? 3 Months? The day before?

Talk about child like reasoning...nobody has thought about this though have they.

If you "grandfather" in older, but still new characters what is the cut off point and how to you justify to those who are on the **** end of that cutoff point?

I don't care and neither should you. What I do care about is new players.

i dont believe a new player became an effective fleet tackler in a few days with 0 knowledge of the game.

i dont think skillpoints will make any difference to new players who dont know what the skillpoints are for, more information would be better

I am talking about "new" players fool. If you do this in say, September...why screw over a guy who joined in August or July? Want them to quit?

Again, I don't care and neither should you. You have it stuck in your head that an advantage to someone in the future is now also a disadvantage to others just before. It's called being selfish, you should stop that and be an adult.

I really don't like these kind of responses; they're childish and don't consider the barrier for a newer player to have fun. Assisting new players has no detrimental effect on you other than your sense of entitlement.
Playing EVE should be fun and newer players shouldn't be subjected to a rite of passage or extended periods waiting for skills to complete. We're all here to play with internet spaceships and harvest tears; without new players, our collective pool of harvestable tears will dwindle.

No, it is called being fair. A guy who joins once this change goes live will have, somewhere near 2x the XP of the guy who joined just before. Early on that kind of skill differential is pretty significant. Down the road it wont make as much of a difference, but that same argument applies between current "vets" and current "new" players.

But good job shooting yourself in the foot.

Give all new players all the skills that would give them Mastery Lvl 2 or 3 for all T1 frigates of their race.

You do know that EVERY player in the game is currently being, "subjected to a rite of passage [for] extended periods of [time]