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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
333
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Posted - 2015.08.10 17:55:52 -
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Pah Cova wrote:Eli Stan wrote:Pah Cova wrote:So, the week as passed and what its gonna be? Are there any lights on the horizont? Guess its better to me to unsub... 2 days left for me...
You can contract your stuff to me, and I'll make sure it's put to good use blowing stuff up and being blown up. Blow your own stuff, guess its the right way. You want stuff and isks? There are 2 ways for that... 1 - Work as I do. 2 - Buy plexes and sell them Its very easy.
I'm in no need for more stuff. I'm just sad thinking about your stuff not ever getting used properly.
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Pah Cova
Made in Portugal S.A.
20
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Posted - 2015.08.10 18:01:19 -
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Eli Stan wrote:Pah Cova wrote:Eli Stan wrote:Pah Cova wrote:So, the week as passed and what its gonna be? Are there any lights on the horizont? Guess its better to me to unsub... 2 days left for me...
You can contract your stuff to me, and I'll make sure it's put to good use blowing stuff up and being blown up. Blow your own stuff, guess its the right way. You want stuff and isks? There are 2 ways for that... 1 - Work as I do. 2 - Buy plexes and sell them Its very easy. I'm in no need for more stuff. I'm just sad thinking about your stuff not ever getting used properly.
Guess you are needing, otherwise you didnt ask me for it.
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
333
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Posted - 2015.08.10 19:38:20 -
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Pah Cova wrote:Guess you are needing, otherwise you didnt ask me for it.
Not need - I want you stuff, to blow it up. If you don't give it to anybody, could you please blow it all up and send screenshots of the explosions? That'd be just as good as giving it all away, and way better than having it sit in a station belonging to an unsubbed character.
Anyway, to keep this on topic, here's a reiteration of a change I think would benefit everybody:
- An activated Entosis Link self-destructs if it is turned off without having successfully captured a node, reinforced a sov structure, or disables/enable a station service. This allows Interceptors to continue to be viable ships for an actual sov attack, and continue to be viable trolls for empty systems, but makes each "run away" sovtroll cost the troller at least 30 million ISK and requires them to refit somewhere if they want to continue. |
Robert Sawyer
The Vendunari End of Life
67
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Posted - 2015.08.11 10:11:07 -
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I started playing EVE Online with the hope of engaging in these huge fleet battles. Now, every time I'm trying to interest myself in this, I just get a sweet offer of Entosis look-out.
The whole fozziesov thing is garbage. The huge power blocs are crumbling and dozens of new alliances are popping up everywhere. And don't get me started on the Entosis Link, that is a troll's ultimate tool.
"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."
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Akballah Kassan
Mosquito Squadron Mordus Angels
64
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Posted - 2015.08.11 13:22:00 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:
The whole fozziesov thing is garbage. The huge power blocs are crumbling and dozens of new alliances are popping up everywherel.
Wasn't that exactly what Fozziesov was hoping to achieve?
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
1090
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Posted - 2015.08.11 13:41:06 -
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Akballah Kassan wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:
The whole fozziesov thing is garbage. The huge power blocs are crumbling and dozens of new alliances are popping up everywherel.
Wasn't that exactly what Fozziesov was hoping to achieve? Yeah, except all of the crumbling happened before Aegis. What we have now, is blocs that are even more firmly entrenched, because no one in null with the ability to actually unseat them, cares to mess with this godawful new system. What we do have though, is plenty of "runawaaaaaay trollololol made you undock". The only ones actually losing any space were those who were highly overextended, and they're just not even bothering to contest sovlasering on their unused space. |
Pah Cova
Made in Portugal S.A.
20
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Posted - 2015.08.11 17:40:50 -
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Akballah Kassan wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:
The whole fozziesov thing is garbage. The huge power blocs are crumbling and dozens of new alliances are popping up everywherel.
Wasn't that exactly what Fozziesov was hoping to achieve?
Well, guess its not working as intended, new alliances rise and fall. This is not about pvp, what we see in eve long time ago are only ganking, and ganking is not pvp, pvpeers use to say that they do pvp, but what they do its just ganking, 10 vs 60 or more, that is not pvp, however there are some players who like to do the real pvp, thats why new sov mechanics are not working properly, new alliances can conquer systems but cant hold them, they are going to be hotdropped until they leave, so small entities its just a mirage.
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Snowmann
Arrow Industries
36
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Posted - 2015.08.12 08:06:05 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If I personally had to make a suggestion on the matter, I would suggest that CCP (after announcing well beforehand) delete any and all blueprints for them. No more new ones, the existing ones will be the last.
That's actually not a terrible suggestion. It would give us all even more reason to cheer those blessed lowsec Russians that are killing supers left and right.
That is a good suggestion, in conjunction with the new Sov changes.
Though I would still suggest that once the last of any racial type is destroyed, it would return to the game as a unique item, as I had suggested.
It may take 10 years to get anywhere near that point, but it could be a good first step.
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Jeff Kione
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
28
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Posted - 2015.08.12 20:10:38 -
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My idea to fix sov trolling is two-fold:
1. Move the notification to the sov holder to earlier in the cycle (half way through, the beginning, whatever). 2. Increase the cycle time for the initial assault.
If you're going to attack someone in a trollceptor, they'll have notice and you'll be a sitting duck for longer. Problem solved. |
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2015.08.12 20:20:35 -
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Jeff Kione wrote:My idea to fix sov trolling is two-fold:
1. Move the notification to the sov holder to earlier in the cycle (half way through, the beginning, whatever). 2. Increase the cycle time for the initial assault.
If you're going to attack someone in a trollceptor, they'll have notice and you'll be a sitting duck for longer. Problem solved.
Nah. The defenders should just have pilots in their system. If the system doesn't have pilots in it during its vulnerability, the defenders deserve to lose their system.
-- Eli (who is happy to hear so many entities upset they can't defend their systems in absentia, and further is happy to hear so many entities find being on-grid with a hostile Interceptor boring as they are better suited for living in highsec where they don't have to worry about such things and can go back to their carebearing ways without worry albeit at reduced income levels, not like I am interested in claiming sov for myself but for the health of the game in general I believe it's necessary for those people to be booted out of their current sov playstyles. As I told Lucas - I hope their empires crumble to the ground around them.)
ps - oh, and regarding supers... If Drifter battleships are adjusted so as to rove around sovnull and use Entosis links against sov structures, that'd certainly make supers more necessary as even carriers can have difficulty tanking them. |
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Jeff Kione
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
28
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Posted - 2015.08.13 13:48:40 -
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Eli Stan wrote:Nah. The defenders should just have pilots in their system. If the system doesn't have pilots in it during its vulnerability, the defenders deserve to lose their system.
-- Eli (who is happy to hear so many entities upset they can't defend their systems in absentia, and further is happy to hear so many entities find being on-grid with a hostile Interceptor boring as they are better suited for living in highsec where they don't have to worry about such things and can go back to their carebearing ways without worry albeit at reduced income levels, not like I am interested in claiming sov for myself but for the health of the game in general I believe it's necessary for those people to be booted out of their current sov playstyles. As I told Lucas - I hope their empires crumble to the ground around them.).
I don't disagree that you shouldn't be able to keep your space if you aren't using it. But if you set your vulnerability to your prime time, then your solution is to what, always leave some people behind to defend your system if you want to go on roams? Make sure you have alts that can be logged in and defend against a lone interceptor? |
Snowmann
Arrow Industries
36
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Posted - 2015.08.14 05:54:22 -
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Jeff Kione wrote:Eli Stan wrote:Nah. The defenders should just have pilots in their system. If the system doesn't have pilots in it during its vulnerability, the defenders deserve to lose their system.
-- Eli (who is happy to hear so many entities upset they can't defend their systems in absentia, and further is happy to hear so many entities find being on-grid with a hostile Interceptor boring as they are better suited for living in highsec where they don't have to worry about such things and can go back to their carebearing ways without worry albeit at reduced income levels, not like I am interested in claiming sov for myself but for the health of the game in general I believe it's necessary for those people to be booted out of their current sov playstyles. As I told Lucas - I hope their empires crumble to the ground around them.). I don't disagree that you shouldn't be able to keep your space if you aren't using it. But if you set your vulnerability to your prime time, then your solution is to what, always leave some people behind to defend your system if you want to go on roams? Make sure you have alts that can be logged in and defend against a lone interceptor?
No large org, Alliance or Corp, Null Sec or Low Sec, that I have ever been in has ever had every single person online and active go on a roam. That normally happened in med sized Corps or very small Alliances, and on rare occasions.
I'm not trying to suggest that that is the rule, just seems to be the norm.
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Kai55a
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:30:56 -
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Thanks to new sov, capitals and super capitals are not needed to attack and they don't help to defense sov!
So nothing is limiting power projection now except awful implementation of sov game mechanics. It's boring, time consuming, etc. When CCP fix the worst issues (number of beacons, ceptors, etc.), nothing will limit power projection because it's not a big deal to deploy non capital ships to any borders and start dropping sov. Groups like PL may not stay there for long time; they could do it for fun; for money, etc.
Big fail, CCP! |
Snowmann
Arrow Industries
36
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:27:05 -
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I think as long as alliances try to hold more Sov than they need, life will continue to suck. The rules of the game have changed and many don't want to adapt to them.
Many appear to be trying to do the same ol thing under the new rules, and blame everyone except themselves.
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
69
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:33:56 -
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Snowmann wrote:I think as long as alliances try to hold more Sov than they need, life will continue to suck. The rules of the game have changed and many don't want to adapt to them.
Many appear to be trying to do the same ol thing under the new rules, and blame everyone except themselves.
Everyone in EVE is a bear who needs to adapt or GTFO (unless you happen to be in null sov) |
Alexander Kalkoken
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
4
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Posted - 2015.08.15 01:53:36 -
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In the same vein that 'Nowhere in EVE is completely safe', as has been stated multiple times by ganking groups in High Sec, I am extremely pleased to see this same attitude finally being applied in Null Sec as well for the Sov system - in that it Can be attacked by anyone & requires vigilance on the part of the group involved in its defense.
Perhaps if people had not been as extreme in their views about such, I could be a bit more hesitant about the new inclusion of sovtrolls assaulting without intention of use - however, with the repeated calls for less High Sec & more gank options, I see no problems with the system in its current state. You got exactly what you wanted - more risks. The difference is, when it is applied to your own space instead of to others, you now cry foul. |
X Gallentius
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2902
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Posted - 2015.08.16 03:46:17 -
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Hey let's look at the map through the filter of the old system instead of looking at it through the new system.
Just because you don't claim sov over empty systems that don't matter, doesn't mean you don't control them. (Only defend space you think is really important - maybe stations or station systems - and then go dunk the other side's jump bridges, cynojammers, POSes, POCOs and Citadels for the bigger fights and/or total domination).
England was able to control half the world with worse logistics than you guys currently have. I'm sure you can figure out a way to maintain a large 0.0 empire again. (Suck it up and adapt)
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16904
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Posted - 2015.08.16 10:18:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote: England was able to control half the world with worse logistics than you guys currently have
That's because Britain had massive capital ship superiority, meaning that no one else could have comparable logistics.
The British Empire is actually an example I used in illustrating how improved communication, logistics and power projection technology increase the maximum possible amount of territory a single group can coherently control.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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X Gallentius
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2902
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Posted - 2015.08.16 13:29:52 -
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Malcanis wrote:X Gallentius wrote: England was able to control half the world with worse logistics than you guys currently have
That's because Britain had massive capital ship superiority, meaning that no one else could have comparable logistics. The British Empire is actually an example I used in illustrating how improved communication, logistics and power projection technology increase the maximum possible amount of territory a single group can coherently control. I wonder who else has massive cap ship superiority, logistics, and ability to project power across the universe - all the while having enough resources to defend their isolated home island in the upper left corner of Europe, err... 0.0?
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
1122
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Posted - 2015.08.16 18:56:45 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Malcanis wrote:X Gallentius wrote: England was able to control half the world with worse logistics than you guys currently have
That's because Britain had massive capital ship superiority, meaning that no one else could have comparable logistics. The British Empire is actually an example I used in illustrating how improved communication, logistics and power projection technology increase the maximum possible amount of territory a single group can coherently control. I wonder who else has massive cap ship superiority, logistics, and ability to project power across the universe - all the while having enough resources to defend their isolated home island in the upper left corner of Europe, err... 0.0? Had would be the word you are looking for. Not has. |
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Aaz Rdtsc
Nomen-illis-Legio Legion of xXDEATHXx
7
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Posted - 2015.08.16 18:58:43 -
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+1 |
Hellion Vlad
The Branded Few Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2015.08.16 19:12:00 -
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Quit QQing and defend your space. I do not see anyone that has alliances that work crying.
CCP great job keep it up.
Sign, Hellion Vlad - Branded for Life! |
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
116
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Posted - 2015.08.16 19:18:05 -
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This thread is proof that, even in its incomplete state, FozzieSov is a success and what was needed to shake the status quo. |
MeJulie
Apocalypse Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2015.08.16 19:18:48 -
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-1
Lost interest at the Wall of Text. |
Pirs Brostan
Ramds
0
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Posted - 2015.08.16 19:22:08 -
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I am against the proposals in the petition. I for CCP. We all know WHY you are against such mechanics. UAxDEATH, go to working. |
Yukimisama
Deviant Dollyz
14
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Posted - 2015.08.16 19:22:26 -
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This is pretty important to be addressed imo as a new player still figuring everything out, I'd probably quit the game after my year or two of skill training's complete if this is really what Null has become. I joined up in EVE for events like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvtp8qaUdNk
Not singular players running around like asshats with Entosis II's keeping everything in an entire region vulnerable together and spamming around not actually doing anything or even trying to initiate any warfare beyond a gatecamp catching them.
In My World...
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aussieftw
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.08.16 19:42:12 -
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+ 1. Fozziesov is pain now, we really need some changes. |
TOJICTOTA
True Power Team
26
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Posted - 2015.08.16 19:44:40 -
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U DICHA POPKA PRIGORELA NORM. |
CyberRaver
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.08.16 19:44:59 -
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Fully agree with this
Fozziesov is aids and the games worse off for it |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
1123
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Posted - 2015.08.16 19:47:29 -
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Caius Sivaris wrote:This thread is proof that, even in its incomplete state, FozzieSov is a success and what was needed to shake the status quo. That's the thing, it hasn't. All of the big sov holders are still the big sov holders. The only difference is that large fights are all but unheard of now, and everyone is so annoyed with the new mechanics, that they aren't even bothering to go back and laser nodes that have been out for over two weeks. So, if by shaken up, you mean hit with a taser and thrown into the trunk, sure. |
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