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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.08.01 15:58:14 -
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Hinamori Tsesuda wrote:... but hey were you actually using those systems?... Yes, we are. Now try think of all the ways that we do that aren't mining or ratting. Give you a hint to start you off; there are other infrastructure hub upgrades.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16790
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Posted - 2015.08.01 16:00:30 -
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So any way, now that the buggy whip manufacturers have vented their pwecious feewings about allowing those nasty horrible auto-mobiles on the roads...
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
266
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Posted - 2015.08.01 16:01:07 -
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Baki Yuku wrote:Eli Stan wrote:
Your goal should be preventing anything from being reinforced in the first place. If you cannot do that, you do not effectively hold Sov of that system and you deserve to lose it, or get burned out trying to win the capture events. You should stop fighting over those systems you can't hold on to. Getting burned out is your punishment for trying to operate in the Dominion Sov paradigm.
Dunno what dream you are dreaming but keep dreaming while you dream that dream my alliance is holding an entire region and we have nowhere near enough dudes to be active in every system. Yet outside of "The Imperium", NC. & PL you cannot take it from us. Sure as hell you can RF some systems and even take some but can you actually life there? No you cannot we'd probably even let your ****** alliance number 1209 take a station wait for you to get settled and once you do we'd crush you with a hammer. The new sov system does not change the fact that power is power. Just because you can take sov does not mean it is viable. The mare presence of a superior capital and super capital force is more than enough to keep full control of a region.
Yes, it's very obvious that a larger entity with supers can evict a smaller one. Aegis Sov wasn't meant to alter that. The question is whether you'll be able to handle, mentally, the challenges to your unoccupied areas (see the earlier post by Emma Kado on CORVOS's tactics.) If you enjoy the process of capturing command nodes and can avoid getting burned out from it, more power to ya! o7
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
795
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Posted - 2015.08.01 16:51:52 -
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Malcanis wrote:So any way, now that the buggy whip manufacturers have vented their pwecious feewings about allowing those nasty horrible auto-mobiles on the roads... Not an empty quote.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Karer II
Legion of xXDEATHXx Support Legion of xXDEATHXx
292
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Posted - 2015.08.01 18:21:23 -
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So. I saw two of the most frequent opinions: 1) you crying about your rent/RMT empire 2) you doing it wrong, adapt.
Well, let's see in facts.
Fact #1. Only one who can say "they doing RMT". This is CCP. If it says someone else, it's just unsubstantiated allegations. As coCEO I spend for my alliance 200$ per month for characters, hosting, licences and other stuff. I have good job and I don't need RMT.
Fact #2. In last half of year we gave 45% of space for friends, allies and small alliances who wants to try themself as sov-nullsec players. Space for free. For free, Carl! And process continues. Year ago all this space was under rent. When I read that the petition is aimed for preservation rent empire I laugh (like Philip Philipovich in novel "Heart of a Dog"). This is absolutly wrong. Fozziesov just boring and exhausting mechanics - that a point.
About adaptation. We (I mean GemiCo first) had two weeks of new Sov War. I wrote full and detailed report about one of them on Russian forum few days ago. Translation can be found here. We prepared doctrine, plan and changed fleet behaviour. What we got? Hours of rat race. In summary of two weeks we spent 22 hours, got 3 fights hit-a-run rat races. I was coordinator and for myself I got at least 15 of files with information about nodes, patrols and etc (like this). Eve always been a game of routine. But now amount of routine is max that I ever seen in last 7.5 years of my game in Eve. Fortunately I'm a programmer and I can try to help myself. Me and another guy from XIX made prototype in 2 days. Idk, why CCP didn't same thing. Maybe they just lazy. They happy cos their players not lazy.
Conclusion
We are not against Fozziesov at all. New mechanics can be enteresting. Really. Small groups, coordination, all pilots must be much more clever and etc. All it is good. But mechanics have too much bad parts right now. They must be fixed. |
tekmin
hahaha JC
7
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Posted - 2015.08.01 18:42:03 -
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you guys are stuck in the old method, you got comfortable for years with sov now you have to adapt and actually "work" for your sov
hence you are bitchin
adapt or die as anything else in EVE :)
thanks for the hilarity of this post |
Karer II
Legion of xXDEATHXx Support Legion of xXDEATHXx
293
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Posted - 2015.08.01 18:45:22 -
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tekmin wrote:you guys are stuck in the old method, you got comfortable for years with sov now you have to adapt and actually "work" for your sov
hence you are bitchin
adapt or die as anything else in EVE :)
thanks for the hilarity of this post
You guy is stuck in young age and can't into text. |
tekmin
hahaha JC
8
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Posted - 2015.08.01 18:50:20 -
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Karer II wrote:tekmin wrote:you guys are stuck in the old method, you got comfortable for years with sov now you have to adapt and actually "work" for your sov
hence you are bitchin
adapt or die as anything else in EVE :)
thanks for the hilarity of this post You guy is stuck in young age and can't into text.
what does that even mean?
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
796
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Posted - 2015.08.01 18:52:33 -
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Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.
Legion of xXDEATHXx: 96 systems, ~1.7k members. OMG IT'S ALL ON FIRE FOZZIESOV SUX!!!1!1!!1!one
Shadow of xXDEATHXx: 253 systems, ~2k members. OMG FOZZIESOV SUX!!! CCP CHANGE IT!!!!1!!1!!!!111!one
I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Shonion
FREE GATES Nulli Secunda
68
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Posted - 2015.08.01 18:55:52 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.
Legion of xXDEATHXx: 96 systems, ~1.7k members. OMG IT'S ALL ON FIRE FOZZIESOV SUX!!!1!1!!1!one
Shadow of xXDEATHXx: 253 systems, ~2k members. OMG FOZZIESOV SUX!!! CCP CHANGE IT!!!!1!!1!!!!111!one
I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
+1 :) |
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Links of course
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.08.01 18:57:55 -
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only thing i see here is russians crying that everything is on fire and they cant run their RMT empire anymore, because they dont have enough people to properly hold the sov they have, hell as much as i hate cfc they actually make smart decisions, such as downsizing their sov count to properly accomidate their entire memberbase |
Karer II
Legion of xXDEATHXx Support Legion of xXDEATHXx
295
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:02:42 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.
I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
Aha, fozziesov is ok.
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Silvia Heart
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
1
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:05:32 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.
Legion of xXDEATHXx: 96 systems, ~1.7k members. OMG IT'S ALL ON FIRE FOZZIESOV SUX!!!1!1!!1!one
Shadow of xXDEATHXx: 253 systems, ~2k members. OMG FOZZIESOV SUX!!! CCP CHANGE IT!!!!1!!1!!!!111!one
I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
So the answer is we should recruit everyone with a pulse and carebear till then end of eve.
Why fight when you can shoot rats and rocks all day? |
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
271
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:13:46 -
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Silvia Heart wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.
Legion of xXDEATHXx: 96 systems, ~1.7k members. OMG IT'S ALL ON FIRE FOZZIESOV SUX!!!1!1!!1!one
Shadow of xXDEATHXx: 253 systems, ~2k members. OMG FOZZIESOV SUX!!! CCP CHANGE IT!!!!1!!1!!!!111!one
I'm beginning to see a pattern here. So the answer is we should recruit everyone with a pulse and carebear till then end of eve. Why fight when you can shoot rats and rocks all day?
Or... try holding onto only one system per 100 alliance members? |
Borascus
653
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:21:02 -
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Eli Stan wrote:
Or... try holding onto only one system per 100 alliance members?
That would occupy 200-400 systems at prime time and expose fleets to empty roams. Good luck with that. |
Silvia Heart
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
1
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:59:06 -
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Eli Stan wrote:Silvia Heart wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.
Legion of xXDEATHXx: 96 systems, ~1.7k members. OMG IT'S ALL ON FIRE FOZZIESOV SUX!!!1!1!!1!one
Shadow of xXDEATHXx: 253 systems, ~2k members. OMG FOZZIESOV SUX!!! CCP CHANGE IT!!!!1!!1!!!!111!one
I'm beginning to see a pattern here. So the answer is we should recruit everyone with a pulse and carebear till then end of eve. Why fight when you can shoot rats and rocks all day? Or... try holding onto only one system per 100 alliance members?
So my alliance should hold one constellation and carebear the **** out of it until we die of bordem?
We aren't going to get more fights that way, it promotes PVE to an extreme extent.
This change is toxic to eve, we get no fights, we get no fun and we spend stupid amounts of time orbiting a structure because one guy can spent 10min of his time to waste almost 2 hours of our time and we have to turn up to every single one because some moron thought it would be great to make it stay that way forever because defenders should turn up and waste massive amounts of time, even if the "attacker" (rolls eyes) has no intention of turning up because why? Because **** anyone trying to hold more then 1 system per 100 players?
Come down here and try holding sov you piece of **** and see how you like watching the guys you play the game with get less and less active and probably quit the game given enough time, all because some moron in CCP had a "good idea".
We didn't like dominion sov, but we ******* hate this coward carebear piece of **** that replaced it. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
882
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Posted - 2015.08.01 20:26:06 -
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I don't care if you halve capital ship DPS and tank, give them a damn role already. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
12022
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:46:57 -
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An amusing thing about this thread is that it's a repeat of the past. When Dominion came and it's sov system hit, we saw the same kind of discussion.
"You just don't like change"
"you don't like how small groups can come in and take your stuff because you can't just spam POSes anymore"
"you'll get used to it"
"the old system was stagnant, this one is much better, now all you have to do is shoot 1 I-Hub instead 20 POSes!!"
It's like Battlestar Galactica, this is happened before, and it will happen again, mainly because some people can't be critical of a thing until they've had 6 years of it to understand why it's bad.....
Good news is the year 2021 is right around the corner. |
Zappity
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
2411
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Posted - 2015.08.01 22:00:49 -
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1. Reduce number of nodes to 5.
2. Leave entosis fitting requirements alone but reduce the time required to complete one-sided events (e.g. no defence or no offence). Maybe #1 is adequate for this but if not they should degrade over time.
3. Reduce the effect of the Sovereignty index - it should be less tedious to take space that is held but not used.
4. There should also be some sort of depletion mechanic to encourage resource competition. Moons? Or convert R32 and below to depleting mining sigs.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1713
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Posted - 2015.08.01 22:17:11 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.
Legion of xXDEATHXx: 96 systems, ~1.7k members. OMG IT'S ALL ON FIRE FOZZIESOV SUX!!!1!1!!1!one
Shadow of xXDEATHXx: 253 systems, ~2k members. OMG FOZZIESOV SUX!!! CCP CHANGE IT!!!!1!!1!!!!111!one
I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
He shoots, HE SCORES!!!!
Some people are on the pitch...... |
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
801
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Posted - 2015.08.01 22:28:18 -
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Silvia Heart wrote:
So my alliance should hold one constellation and carebear the **** out of it until we die of bordem?
We aren't going to get more fights that way, it promotes PVE to an extreme extent.
This change is toxic to eve, we get no fights, we get no fun and we spend stupid amounts of time orbiting a structure because one guy can spent 10min of his time to waste almost 2 hours of our time and we have to turn up to every single one because some moron thought it would be great to make it stay that way forever because defenders should turn up and waste massive amounts of time, even if the "attacker" (rolls eyes) has no intention of turning up because why? Because **** anyone trying to hold more then 1 system per 100 players?
Come down here and try holding sov you piece of **** and see how you like watching the guys you play the game with get less and less active and probably quit the game given enough time, all because some moron in CCP had a "good idea".
We didn't like dominion sov, but we ******* hate this coward carebear piece of **** that replaced it.
Use your space, and only have a three hour window of vulnerability where attackers have to entosis for almost an hour, or run around putting out sov fires for 18 hours a day while an attacker can just take ten minutes to F*** your s*** up, your choice.
It seems to me that you have gone with THIS third option.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
5479
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Posted - 2015.08.01 22:48:23 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Silvia Heart wrote:
So my alliance should hold one constellation and carebear the **** out of it until we die of bordem?
We aren't going to get more fights that way, it promotes PVE to an extreme extent.
This change is toxic to eve, we get no fights, we get no fun and we spend stupid amounts of time orbiting a structure because one guy can spent 10min of his time to waste almost 2 hours of our time and we have to turn up to every single one because some moron thought it would be great to make it stay that way forever because defenders should turn up and waste massive amounts of time, even if the "attacker" (rolls eyes) has no intention of turning up because why? Because **** anyone trying to hold more then 1 system per 100 players?
Come down here and try holding sov you piece of **** and see how you like watching the guys you play the game with get less and less active and probably quit the game given enough time, all because some moron in CCP had a "good idea".
We didn't like dominion sov, but we ******* hate this coward carebear piece of **** that replaced it.
Use your space, and only have a three hour window of vulnerability where attackers have to entosis for almost an hour, or run around putting out sov fires for 18 hours a day while an attacker can just take ten minutes to F*** your s*** up, your choice. It seems to me that you have gone with THIS third option.
Then there's the recruitment option. Where you recruit people to handle the carebearing for you, leaving you to defend your space, and attack other space.
(The system's not perfect. It needs work. but some of the complaints I'm seeing are a touch inane)
Woo! CSM X!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
5479
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Posted - 2015.08.01 22:52:24 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:I don't care if you halve capital ship DPS and tank, give them a damn role already.
Caps aren't in the world best position right now. I don't think anyone is disagreeing there.
Exactly what role they should have, that's the interesting question. If you have any thoughts, I'd certainly like to hear them
Woo! CSM X!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
801
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Posted - 2015.08.01 23:04:27 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote: Then there's the recruitment option. Where you recruit people to handle the carebearing for you, leaving you to defend your space, and attack other space.
SHH! Don't tell them, I want them crying because they have to crab to get the indexes up. delicious tears.
Steve Ronuken wrote:(The system's not perfect. It needs work. but some of the complaints I'm seeing are a touch inane) Truth!
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2326
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Posted - 2015.08.01 23:10:27 -
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Borascus wrote: Are targets going to be belt-ratting in unoccupied systems? At least there is something to engage in sov, and the owning alliance gets a mail to say 'turn up for fight'.
If the launcher explains that there are 20-40k players online any given time, and picturing that people log in / out every minute, it makes more sense for people online for more than an hour to own more systems than 1:100players, so they can co-ordinate fights.
Log-in, sit in system, wait for ratter. On the other side of the coin is 'log-in, wait to defend'. This is the reason interceptor entosis is not enjoyable, there is no fight, it's literally 'turn up here to see an interceptor'. The aggressing alliance should already have enough sov for their 1:100 pilot ratio, 14k pilots gives 140 systems? 828 empty systems? What about hi-sec/low-sec/wh players?
Null-sec sov holders want to own more sov than they can manage to have an abundance of possible fights.
600bil isk is 50 years of subscription if you aren't losing ships. Last I saw CCP had an e-mail address for plex purchases over 300.
Your issue here is that you are equating sov with fights. The two are only tangentially related, not a direct correlation.
Try doing other things to get fights. Also, who cares if there are empty systems? That's systems you then don't have to waste time with if you are searching for a large scale fight against another null alliance. Just go direct to their active systems with a Battleship fleet, wait for them to escalate, then drop your own cyno's. Hey presto, massive fight. Or just jump a titan in with said BS fleet, and watch the server go crazy.
If you want a big cap fight, look at the actual reasons big cap fights have happened. Nothing to do with nibbling away at unimportant sov and troll roams. Those happened under the old sov mechanics as well, cloaky roams almost never escalated to titan fights. It was form ups over critical hub systems, or a tackled titan (who may have pressed jump not bridge) that made the big fights. So use those reasons, not sov for the sake of sov. |
Marech Bhayanaka
The Night Crew The Night Crew Alliance
38
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Posted - 2015.08.01 23:28:56 -
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Ransu Asanari wrote:Entosis is designed to influence the type of ships brought to contest nodes as little as possible. There may be some extreme cases that need to be dealt with, but there are viable counters you can bring to most of these situations. A 12km/s Vagabond orbiting the beacon at 250km? Park a T1 frigate with a T1 Entosis module on the beacon and pause their progress. Or hunt down their links ship and kill it instead. Right now a 1M ISK Griffin can jam out that ship and force them to go through the warmup cycle again; or a Maulus can damp down the Vagabond to lose its lock at that range, and force it to come in closer.
This. If you are spending hours repairing the damage done when you didn't bother to defend your system in the first place then you have yourself to blame.
Marech. |
Morgan A'doulende
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.08.01 23:29:44 -
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That's rich. The alliance I'm in rents from Tri and they seem to be ok with hassle free income from us renters. |
Lucius Kalari
Limited Power Inc It Must Be Jelly Cause Jam Don't Shake
16
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Posted - 2015.08.01 23:37:09 -
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If people aren't liking fozziesov, I heard that wormhole space has plenty of unoccupied systems for people to take
Hi, I'm Lucius Kalari and I'm .LIMP
LichReaper - according to zkill they probably wont make it past the undock
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Icycle
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
10
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Posted - 2015.08.01 23:51:19 -
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I disagree with the limitations suggested on entosing. Based on my observations is the majority of this large alliances althought they are very powerfull they all have the same issue. The issue is vast amount of unused space. Every second system its empty. As a result large amount of jumps have to be perfomed. This is specially true in the Drone region, CFC space and Catch. The drone region been the worst where only 3 out of 10 systems are actually in use. I think its time they adjust the amount of sov systems the occupy from the ones they dont really occupy. If you drop those unused space you dont have to defend it. Why keep sov if you dont use it? We see this all the time with the CFC. We got people coming from all the corners of the globe for a 20 man fleet and they show up in 80+ minimum. They even bring supers and carriers. The amount of jumps they are doing is too much and all because they want to keep vast amount of empty space which they clearly are having difficulty defending. Drop sov systems and get your numbers into the core system. If you look the systems that are been attacked, the vast majority are insignificant systems cos the numbers are either too low or no one lives in them. I believe the worst idea is to give zero m/s speed to entosis ships. Why would anybody bother entosing if all you have to do is jump a titan and snipe it. After all CFC has tried to do this many times already. |
Marech Bhayanaka
The Night Crew The Night Crew Alliance
39
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Posted - 2015.08.02 00:01:51 -
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TiMeZeRo225 wrote: CCP has to understand 1 simple thing - people come to 0.0 for blob warfare, so the only thing they have to change is to create something worthy to fight for.
You need to understand that people in all parts of space are there for a variety of reasons. I live in null, have never been part of a blob, and am happy about that.
Marech. |
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