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DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.06 21:42:00 - [1] Yes they get range bonus but do sh*t dps. So here is a little story and the only set-up for a rohk. Three of us your running around low sec looking for kills. We had been in a 0.4 system for half an hour or so and decided to jump into a 0.5 system. Lo and behold we find ourselves a rohk! sweet, we all say on ts, and we ask ourselves were this Tier 3 Battleship pilot is going to go. So we sit and watch him. It takes him 15 seconds to get up to spped and warp after he jumped in, and to our immense pleasure he had warped to the gate that we had come from. So we give chase. My two friends beat him to the gate and jump in as he comes out of warp. So we have a nano Domi, and arbitrator now waiting for him on the other side. Both have T2 drones and NOS. I am just behind the Rohk in my Navy Meg and jump in with him. I uncloak and approach the gate while the others have drones out and wait for me to grab agro from the sentry guns. This Rohk is set-up with full T2 tank and cap injector, with Nuetron Blasters. He uncloaks and I scramble him and grab aggro from his guns and the sntries. Then all three of us proceed to pound away at him. I have him webbed (thankfully). The fight is 1 minute and 30 seconds long when he begins to shoot the arbitrator. The arby though has him tracking distrupted so he cannot hit our cruiser, but the sentries soon make our cruiser warp off. The rohk then proceeds to hit me again. My only concern was from his T2 mediums and the sentries. The rohk gets no bonus to gun damage so he was hitting me for 20-40 with every gun lol. Anyways 3-4 minutes after the fight had begun We finally killed him. Grabbed the loot and hit a safe to wait out aggression. So after testing with the ship myself and trying to kill a few of them I have decided on the fact that there is only 1 real set-up for this ship. Yes in fleet fights go for range but it cant kill anything!!!! Fit this ship with 8 Nos, and a tank from hell and cap injectors. Then hope your gang can kill the targets because this ship cannot, but this ship in my opinion (besides faction BS, and capital ships) has the best T2 tank in the game, some may argue that fact but in my opinion it is! WildCat
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.06 21:50:00 - [2] The dmg output is worse than the megas' ofc, but not as much worse as u think, and in my oppinion it makes up that and more with its tank
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.06 21:51:00 - [3] Hyperion is not too shabby either. Very cap intensive, but it can really take a pounding. Sadly this ship, like most Caldari ships, fails in solo ventures when you try to tank it out the ass. In a gang where you can have someone do the tackling for you, the Neutron setup is golden, albeit slow as hell. Solo, trying to fit a full tank + scramble + web + propulsion mod is nothing but suicide. ____________________________
DiuxDium The Graduates	Posted - 2006.12.06 21:52:00 - [4] "The Rohk will kill eve" so speaketh the pre-kali whiner. "The Rohk is completly ******* worthless" so speaketh the post-kali player. A trend I see. Yes? I agree with you that the Rohk is none too impressive. Just incase the subtly of my post didn't come through. I make sigs for free. Do Eve-Mail me if you're intrested.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.06 21:58:00 - [5] I agree that a hyperion can tank too, but our same group came accross a duel lar full T2 tanked Hyperion and absoultely rap*d it! It took us 40 seconds to take it down. He had cap boosters and everything, even a faction EAN. Just to further emphasize the rohks tank WildCat
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:01:00 - [6] Lower base resists, dual LAR II's, 25% cap penalty from a microwarp drive, all while being NOS'd could be a factor! ____________________________
Amuko Amarr A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:03:00 - [7] Originally by: DHB WildCat yada yada The rohk gets no bonus to gun damage so he was hitting me for 20-40 with every gun lol. blabla bla bla WildCat if it did get a damage bonus it'd hit you for 25-50 damage per shot at Battleship 5, so it probably had to do with the player's skills.
Alerce	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:42:00 - [8] Well i think its a good fleet ship. Can easily fit 8x425mm rails and still have a good tank too. Sure, you need some fitting skills for that and fit pds2 or rcu. Only trouble is hitting small ships with 8 of such large guns :D Even when you fit tracking speed items. 70km range with antimatter can be sweet.
Nocturnal Prince Tech 2 Holdings Limited	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:04:00 - [9] also remember a lot of Caldari trained up turrets more as an afterthought. Most of the serious Rokh pilots will be the people upgrading from a Mega imo. .
CaperPuts	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:20:00 - [10] Eh... I'd rather have the Rokh's bonuses on my Maelstrom, than the current ones. Oh wait, I don't have a Maelstrom since its current bonuses suck >_>
Balthazar Torn	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:58:00 - [11] Edited by: Balthazar Torn on 07/12/2006 00:00:26 (With level 5 in the relevant gunnery skills & full T2 ganksetup) Blastermega: 1300 DPS with 5x Ogre II <-- 105m ship Blasterrokh: 1000 DPS with 2x Ogre II <-- 175m ship Hey, it could be worse, lets not even go into the Raven. What's that I hear? oh just missile users crying in their pods. Don't get me wrong, I think the Rokh is a great ship, it's just kinda sad that Caldari never get a competetive DPS.
Dreez Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:27:00 - [12] Edited by: Dreez on 07/12/2006 00:29:03 Originally by: Balthazar Torn (With level 5 in the relevant gunnery skills & full T2 ganksetup) Blastermega: 1300 DPS with 5x Ogre II <-- 105m ship Blasterrokh: 1000 DPS with 2x Ogre II <-- 175m ship Hey, it could be worse, lets not even go into the Raven. What's that I hear? oh just missile users crying in their pods. Don't get me wrong, I think the Rokh is a great ship, it's just kinda sad that Caldari never get a competetive DPS. concidering we¦re dealing with blasters and then have them mounted on a ship with bonuses to even further enhance the dmg of the guns, i¦d say you should be happy that the rohk even gets that close to the DPS of the Megathron. Imo the Blasterthron should be THE hardest hitting non-capital ship in the game. Just be happy i aint a Dev . Bob farted, ASCN burped & then there was a nodecrash.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:44:00 - [13] Can't mount 8x T2 cruise launchers. Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:49:00 - [14] So you took down one turret battleship with 1 turret dirsupting cruiser, 1 Speed Oridented Drone Battleship, and 1 Gank oriented battleship and you then declare it to suck? Some questions. [About Damage] are you sure it had blasters and not rails fitted? [About other ships]Is there any other turret based ship you would expect to survive that ganksquad or taken down a ship in that gank squad?
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2006.12.07 01:31:00 - [15] 4-5 heavy nos depending on cap skills. Full on shield tank Damage mods and damage control Fit the highs with the best blasters you can fit. If I had decent gunnery I would have done100x better on sisi before kali. What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.07 01:35:00 - [16] Its not rohk, is Rokh !
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:46:00 - [17] Originally by: DiuxDium "The Rohk will kill eve" so speaketh the pre-kali whiner. "The Rohk is completly ******* worthless" so speaketh the post-kali player. A trend I see. Yes? I agree with you that the Rohk is none too impressive. Just incase the subtly of my post didn't come through. I guess you missed the bit where the Rokh outdamages a Railmega at any range at +100km, except from 140-160km.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Goumindong So you took down one turret battleship with 1 turret dirsupting cruiser, 1 Speed Oridented Drone Battleship, and 1 Gank oriented battleship and you then declare it to suck? Some questions. [About Damage] are you sure it had blasters and not rails fitted? [About other ships]Is there any other turret based ship you would expect to survive that ganksquad or taken down a ship in that gank squad? First off yes they were blasters I have the loot. Secondly Hell no I wouldnt expect any ship to survive that group, the damage reported was after the cruiser had to warp due to sentry fire. I am just saying to mount Nos in the high's and tank like an f'ing ***** while your gang kills things.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.07 07:20:00 - [19] Originally by: DHB WildCat Originally by: Goumindong So you took down one turret battleship with 1 turret dirsupting cruiser, 1 Speed Oridented Drone Battleship, and 1 Gank oriented battleship and you then declare it to suck? Some questions. [About Damage] are you sure it had blasters and not rails fitted? [About other ships]Is there any other turret based ship you would expect to survive that ganksquad or taken down a ship in that gank squad? First off yes they were blasters I have the loot. Secondly Hell no I wouldnt expect any ship to survive that group, the damage reported was after the cruiser had to warp due to sentry fire. I am just saying to mount Nos in the high's and tank like an f'ing *** while your gang kills things. So basically you have no evidence to support why the Rokh should mount NOS in the highs and tank instead of trying to tank, you have no other base by witch to judge the Rokh and you think that people are going to shoot the Rokh while it "tanks like an f'ing ***" and not just kill its gang members. Then you delcare that the Rokh sucks and "only has one setup". I think you need to re-examine the situation.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.12.07 09:28:00 - [20] Originally by: DHB WildCat I am just saying to mount Nos in the high's and tank like an f'ing ***** while your gang kills things. You'd cycle targets and kill the Rokh last surely? Either way, the Rokh's strengths lie in two areas. Firstly, using high damage ammo at silly ranges, where other races would need to use lower damage ammo. That's like having a built in damage bonus. Secondly, the extreme range sniping we all know and love. A close range Rokh, though, should always be mounting nos. And if it's passively tanked, it should be using neuts. Cap warfare > all thanks to the extremely well thought out hp changes and the commonality of battleships with ubertanks. Scrapheap Challenge Forums
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: DHB WildCat Originally by: Goumindong So you took down one turret battleship with 1 turret dirsupting cruiser, 1 Speed Oridented Drone Battleship, and 1 Gank oriented battleship and you then declare it to suck? Some questions. [About Damage] are you sure it had blasters and not rails fitted? [About other ships]Is there any other turret based ship you would expect to survive that ganksquad or taken down a ship in that gank squad? First off yes they were blasters I have the loot. Secondly Hell no I wouldnt expect any ship to survive that group, the damage reported was after the cruiser had to warp due to sentry fire. I am just saying to mount Nos in the high's and tank like an f'ing *** while your gang kills things. So basically you have no evidence to support why the Rokh should mount NOS in the highs and tank instead of trying to tank, you have no other base by witch to judge the Rokh and you think that people are going to shoot the Rokh while it "tanks like an f'ing ***" and not just kill its gang members. Then you delcare that the Rokh sucks and "only has one setup". I think you need to re-examine the situation. LOL dont know what your grudge is against me, must have killed your main character lots 8). Anyways Im not saying it sux, never in any of my posts have I said that, I am praising its tanking ability and saying to use it to its fullest potential, not to fit blasters on it. WildCat
Crusari Gallente Omniscient Order The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:48:00 - [22] You guys forget you have to armortank a mega and hyperrion meaning you usually have 1 or 2 slots at most for damage mods (unless you go for full gank ofcourse), while you can happily have 3 damage mods and still have a strong tank for a rokh especially with the shield resistance bonusses. You wont do as much damage as a hyperrion or mega, but it makes up for it having gank + tank and having range bonus, so you can basicly use void all the time isntead of having to switch over to null when the target is too far away.
Mar vel Caldari H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.12.07 17:54:00 - [23] The Rokh is basically good in one situation only: Fleet sniper. 8x 425 (t1) +2t2 XL SB, 2x T2 Invul, 1x Electro Inj (800's), 2x T2 Sensor Boosters 2x T2 MagStab, 2x T2 Tracking Enhancers, 1x T2 RCU 200km optimal with Iron, 140km Optimal Iridium, 65k Optimal AM That's with Large Rails @ lvl 4 The problem is that aside from this role this ship sucks. RE: Weapons 425's do crap damage. Drone bay is useless as an offensive weapon. DPS in this ship is a joke- almost any ship at cruiser and above can outperform. RE: Defensive Capabilities Solid Tank - the only saving grace. Tank (sadly) doesn't make much of a difference in close engagements. One lonely T1 Arbitrator / BB can RSD / ECM this ship into the stone age. RE: Range Most engagements are rarely 200km standoffs. Lack of DPS on this ship means suck-nut ability to kill. Like all ranged Cal ships, you can't kill what you can't make stay. RE: Gangs Almost everyone and their brother wants to kill this ship (new toy) (we took down a Rokh in a little over :30 seconds with a team 5 (no bs's) - and still had time to pop his friends in Slep, Munin and Dictor.) Ouch. Covops makes sniping without significant support a dangerous occupation - which means that Gang use is severly limited. If I have to put 5 other gang members on a Rokh to keep it alive - it's not worth the manpower, as it's DPS doesn;t warrant the re-distribution of the other firepower I am committing to its safety. Overall: Solid tank Lots of fitting options / huge PG and CPU. Missles fitting onm this ship an option - but doesn't really work well due to recent T2 missle nerfs. This is on e of those ships that can do a lot of things - and a lot of roles - and does them all poorly - which makes it rather useless IMO. Jack of all trades, Master of none. Caldari 4TL. (Once again, Thanks Devs.) -are there any other Cal ships / mods / weapons that require balance before this race is essentially relegated into a EW role with little else? Here I was hoping for a lethal railboat - and we got another shield tanker throw-away ship that doesn't do anything well. Don't waste your isk. Next.
Lyta Reimalken Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.07 18:08:00 - [24] Granted, its not as uber as it was made out to be, but it could've been worse, you couldve gotten a Maelstrom.. :)
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.12.07 18:33:00 - [25] I must be missing something.... Rokh Electron 394dps Rokh Ion 422dps Rokh Neutron 450dps Mega Electron 430dps Mega Ion 461dps Mega Neutron 492dps Thats about 10% more damage for the Mega from its turrets. Yet one is shield tank so can fit damage mods without a problem and other is a armour tanker so has to compramise tank for damage mods.... How is the Rokh so bad at dealing damage? ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Takahashi Arran coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.07 18:42:00 - [26] Edited by: Takahashi Arran on 07/12/2006 18:42:34 if null had not been nerfed do bad the blaster-rokh could have been uber: you could fit 8heavy neutrons, injector/XLSB/amp/(2INV-or 1em 1inv)/scram , 3magstab2,2 PDU2 for pretty uber damage and tank iirc- however with the null nerf it can't hit feck like that sadly
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.07 18:44:00 - [27] The traking Dis. screw up any turret ship. He lasted 3+ mins VS a factions BS, Nos DOMI, and a T2 EW cruiser with nos??? Then you tell us the ship sucks. Maybe you should be a miner in that Fraction BS of yours. We all know the new Teir 3 battleships can't do more damage then the teir2 battleships. The Dev said it, its been proven, and you can see it in the ships bounces. The one thing they can do well is tank. They all have a bounce for tanking. IMO the teir 3 BS might not do a ton of damage but I got money that says that a 10 man fleet of teir 3 battleships vs 10 teir2 BS that the teir 3's would win. Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Aro Tolan	Posted - 2006.12.07 19:18:00 - [28] Originally by: Cupdeez The traking Dis. screw up any turret ship. He lasted 3+ mins VS a factions BS, Nos DOMI, and a T2 EW cruiser with nos??? Then you tell us the ship sucks. Maybe you should be a miner in that Fraction BS of yours. We all know the new Teir 3 battleships can't do more damage then the teir2 battleships. The Dev said it, its been proven, and you can see it in the ships bounces. The one thing they can do well is tank. They all have a bounce for tanking. IMO the teir 3 BS might not do a ton of damage but I got money that says that a 10 man fleet of teir 3 battleships vs 10 teir2 BS that the teir 3's would win. I believe the op, as he stated in posts after the first one, is of the opinion that the Rokh would be an awesome NOS ship. If you think about it, the Rokh does have a good tank and could quite possibly be an awesome support ship in a close-range gang (if you land within range of the opponent). Haven't flown a Rokh yet since I haven't worked up any of my Hybrid turret skills but I can imagine a pretty mean NOS+Tank Rokh as a support ship for a close-range gang. Then again if you can use the T2 rails why not just be long-range support for a close range gang...
Mar vel Caldari H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.12.07 19:39:00 - [29] OK, so after being totally tweaked about this ships supposed limitless capabilities, I finally got into it and started muddling around with the setup, yet again. Rail boat - limited viability. Blaster boat- could have potential. The principle is the same as the one behind the Beagle. If you know the optimal setup for the Beagle, you have an idea of how to set this one up - bonuses are essentially the same, so shouldn't be a huge issue. I tested it on NPC's and was a LOT happier. PvP will tell the tale. More later.
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.08 16:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Mar vel ..... Jack of all trades, Master of none. Caldari 4TL. (Once again, Thanks Devs.) -are there any other Cal ships / mods / weapons that require balance before this race is essentially relegated into a EW role with little else? Here I was hoping for a lethal railboat - and we got another shield tanker throw-away ship that doesn't do anything well. Don't waste your isk. Next. Look, I'm agreeing with a Goonswarm member! He's completely right, though. Caldari can not play solo, with two exceptions. 1.) Beagle. Requires you to train up a non-native weapon to an insane level, though. 2.) Cerberus. But, it's insanely expensive. No Caldari T1 setup can 1v1 with any confidence. Caracals have paper where their tank should be. Moas again require non-native weapons. Blackbird has been nerfed so bad that it's worthless, and it never had a tank or offensive capabilities anyway. Ferox is sllllooooowww, and a rail platform. Drake is still expensive, it's a decent ship, but it too is slow. But every Caldari ship suffers from the same problem - shield tanking vs. the standard midslot accomidations - we have to decide between speed mods, cap injectors, scrams, webs, etc and any tank at all. Which makes the only ships worth a damn in a 1v1 situation the T2 ships. And now that Jamming has been completely slaughtered as a weapon, the Falcon and Rook are pretty much worthless. EW is dead, and yet we don't have any ships set up to do any remote sensor damping, or long range scrambling, or webbing, or nosing. The only time that caldari ships are really good is in a gang of 5 or more, or in a fleet. And even then, in a fleet, everyone else looks down on you because while your missiles or torps hit at 200+ or 100+ KM, you are worthless in sniper fights, because they take 5 minutes to get from you to the target and everyone will just warp out. Well, excuse me for my native weapon sucking. It's not my fault that I don't have 5M sp in gunnery. Yes, the Raven is the omgwtfbbq awesome PvE ship. Congratulations, you can kill rats. Otherwise, it's hard being caldari.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.12.08 16:50:00 - [31] rails are not a non native weapons system to caldari everyone says this but they are totally wrong, or we wouldnt have multiple ships with rail bonuses. if rails arent native to caldari then why doesnt the cormorant just have 8 hardpoints for light missle launchers for example.
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.08 18:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker rails are not a non native weapons system to caldari everyone says this but they are totally wrong, or we wouldnt have multiple ships with rail bonuses. if rails arent native to caldari then why doesnt the cormorant just have 8 hardpoints for light missle launchers for example. Quoting from the Phoenix Description: In terms of Caldari design philosophy, the Phoenix is a chip off the old block. With a heavily tweaked missile interface, targeting arrays of surpassing quality and the most advanced shield systems to be found anywhere, it is considered the strongest long-range installation attacker out there. The "Caldari Design Philosophy" is very simply: Missiles + EWar/Jamming + Shield tanking. Shield tanking means trading med slot items used in locking an opponent down - webs, scrams, and speed mods. And caldari ships are insanely slow, we can never outrun anyone. Which means the only ships we can tank, and still have these mods, are ships with natively high resistances - T2 ships like the cerberus, nighthawk, and eagle. Missiles means we have guaranteed hits* and can change damage types, but it also means that we cannot fight at 60+ KM. (*guaranteed as long as fighting NPCs or enemies who are too dumb to warp out). EWar and Jamming have been nerfed. The rook and falcon are now very expensive, almost useless ships. They aren't useless, they're just of marginally more use than a blackbird for 20 times the isk. ~Xiao
Ridd Hershel	Posted - 2006.12.08 23:46:00 - [33] ewar wasn't a caldari 'thang' 2+ years ago,and quoting flavour text means jack.
lev	Posted - 2006.12.21 19:03:00 - [34] well thanks.....I got a sore jaw leaning on me arm due to falling asleep reading all this,,,, Where is the set up advice from the geeks?
Mordorg Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.12.22 01:31:00 - [35] Edited by: Mordorg on 22/12/2006 01:35:47 Originally by: Xiaodown Which makes the only ships worth a damn in a 1v1 situation the T2 ships. And now that Jamming has been completely slaughtered as a weapon, the Falcon and Rook are pretty much worthless. EW is dead, and yet we don't have any ships set up to do any remote sensor damping, or long range scrambling, or webbing, or nosing. At least you have defensive EW, and its still decent if you fit for it. When was the last time you saw a Bellicose? Its been a LONG time since I have. What other T1 ship can't be found in its own races systems? It can't even fit ECM, cause its been nerfed lol.
Estrago Caldari Eve guardians Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.22 04:37:00 - [36] Ok, all you people complaining about how much the Rokh sucks are stupid. With 3 damage mods and a tracking enhancer, Both 8 Blasters and 8 rails do pretty good DPS for me and my gunnery skills suck. It's been great with Blasters, I've dueled against a Megathron and Hyperion where he has far more SP in gunnery than I do and I ate through his tank before he could touch me every time, no matter how he tried to change his setup. 8 named Neutrons, T2 XL shield boost, T2 Invuln/EM/Therm hardeners, T2 heavy cap booster, T2 boost amp, RCU, T2 tracking enhancer, 3 T2 magstabs, and a Kin shield rig. That gives pretty good damage, insane resists, and a large amount of cap. Have someone else tackle, who needs an MWD with warp to 0 and the range those blasters have. - Someone save me from this Sanity.
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.22 05:30:00 - [37] uh... just a crazy thought. What about smart bomb ship of death. It would be funny to sit at 150km off a gate only to have some one MW to you and then you activate the smart bombs. Most likely I am completely nuts but whats the verdict.
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.22 05:47:00 - [38] I had to read the whole topic to make sense out of the Author's post.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.22 08:13:00 - [39] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 22/12/2006 08:14:32 Originally by: DHB WildCat So after testing with the ship myself and trying to kill a few of them I have decided on the fact that there is only 1 real set-up for this ship. Yes in fleet fights go for range but it cant kill anything!!!! Fit this ship with 8 Nos, and a tank from hell and cap injectors. Then hope your gang can kill the targets because this ship cannot, Oh, so they're seeing the guns aren't all they're hyped up to be. They're seeing that gun DPS at 100km SUCKS compared to missiles. THE ROKH: The thing that FINALLY convinces people that guns need a buff. Because if the Caldari say it needs a buff, it has GOT to be true! It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Laboratus Gallente BGG	Posted - 2006.12.22 08:41:00 - [40] Comparing theoretical max dps is kinda pointless. Yes, the mega does a wee bit more, but it doesn't really matter. The situation for it to actually happen is so rare. What matters however is the dps you can push under the conditions you normally engage in. This depends heavily on your FC. Normally this will be, how much dps can you push to a target 200-220km away moving at 150m/s. with a sig rad of about 400... This is where the Rokh shines and has no peers. It can reach there no swet without targeting computers. Or with just a T1 fit, with TCs. This gives the best effectiveness/(Cost-InsuransePayout) ratio in game, making it The number 1 tool in alliance level conflicts. Yes, it is also a good bait ship, but there are cheaper more viable alternatives. It really shines in what it does best. As the king of fleet BS. As for caldari not being a rail race. Missiles were not always a primary weapon system. As a conseptual weapon they were flushed down the toilet as soon as they were made a primary weapon. They used to be something special, something to be feared and a kind of a more rare weapon you really had to look out for and try to counter. Now, it's just an alternative way of pushing out dps, and it's kinda sad... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Denga Vulture The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.22 09:10:00 - [41] Originally by: Laboratus Comparing theoretical max dps is kinda pointless. Yes, the mega does a wee bit more, but it doesn't really matter. The situation for it to actually happen is so rare. What matters however is the dps you can push under the conditions you normally engage in. This depends heavily on your FC. Normally this will be, how much dps can you push to a target 200-220km away moving at 150m/s. with a sig rad of about 400... This is where the Rokh shines and has no peers. It can reach there no swet without targeting computers. Or with just a T1 fit, with TCs. This gives the best effectiveness/(Cost-InsuransePayout) ratio in game, making it The number 1 tool in alliance level conflicts. Yes, it is also a good bait ship, but there are cheaper more viable alternatives. It really shines in what it does best. As the king of fleet BS. As for caldari not being a rail race. Missiles were not always a primary weapon system. As a conseptual weapon they were flushed down the toilet as soon as they were made a primary weapon. They used to be something special, something to be feared and a kind of a more rare weapon you really had to look out for and try to counter. Now, it's just an alternative way of pushing out dps, and it's kinda sad... 100% right !!
velocoraptor Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.22 11:39:00 - [42] Well, for starters, crows are very good solo (1v1 inties and not only inties, it can potentially wtfpwn many other frigs solo depending on setups e.g. it would ruin my uber-dmg enyo's day). I also think, haven't tried it yet though, that drake may be good for solo ganking. Even raven can be good solo and of course Cerberus. On the other hand, not many situations rly involve 1v1 these days. At least in 0.0 it's usually our blob v your blob (or at least our 4-5 men gang v you 4-5 man gang). I won't get into whether this is good or bad, but it's true. Soooo, for gang I think rokh is a nice ship really. Of course it's very good in many fleet situation. e.g. 1: it can stay outside enemy range and be invulnerable with some good positioning. e.g. 2: it can use T1 ammo=cheap fittings and/or noobs actually taking part in large fleet battles. e.g. 3: It can use blasters in small gangs and still have more or less insta damage (whereas mega's need to fit rails to actually get in mails most of the times). Of course saying Caldari's shouldn't use hybrids is just plain stupid and I won't get into that. All in all I think rokh is a decent ship with its weaknesses of course, but at least at par with rest of tier 3 BS's if not the best of them. Kali IS the goddess of destruction after all
Mephesto Nizal	Posted - 2006.12.22 12:19:00 - [43] rokh is dangerous in a rokh group setup for crossfire in a firing range sphere. Rokh 200km to the left> target <Rokh 200km to the right. If you think this way, it's one hell of a distance to cross
DoctorColossal Pervius	Posted - 2006.12.22 12:28:00 - [44] Nice little story... but give me a Rokh and I'll fit it for mega-death to all with a 30km sphere. Mwahahahahaha!
Ribaldo Corello	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:11:00 - [45] With the right fitting, the Rokh can tank very well and is an awesome PVP-Vessel
kill0rbunny Chimera Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:29:00 - [46] Use Webifier Drones, a tracking disruptor and a warp disruptor II and your good to go against bs of all choice. The Nos Domi is overpowered, not really a ship you should compare the rokh against. Killboard
AsfALT Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:33:00 - [47] Originally by: Dreez ... Genial sig! Love it!
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:36:00 - [48] A few points. 1) the op seems to be an idiot. 2) nothing wrong with his idea tho, the rokh makes a very nice nosship as bait. 3) the rokh makes a better fleet sniper than nosship. 4) the rokh makes a better close range blasterboat than sniper. 5) passive tanking ftw (no cap = no need for nos = high slots can actually be useful) sgb
Bellum Eternus Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:23:00 - [49] Is it just me or are 90% of the Caldari pilots out there just dumb as rocks? HELLO? Get creative with your setups. Even more, TRAIN SOMETHING OTHER THAN MISSILES YOU IDIOTS. Suck it up and branch out from something other than your lame ass missile skills. I'm skilled up in drones, hybrids, AND missiles (t2 heavies on the Lachesis or Drake FTW). Torps and Nos are fine on the Rokh, but using Neutron IIs and null and hitting at 30km+ is just awesome. No other ship in the game has that kind of DPS at that range. Period. Think about it. 8x Neutron IIs, 3 damage mods, and 30km range. That's nuts. Further more, the Rokh is so increadably flexible it's just crazy. With a ton of mids, I can lightly armor tank it (Large rep, DC2, EANM2), still have room for 3x damage mods, and use the mids for a TON of tackling (3 T2 24km warp scrams and a web). Works GREAT for those scumbag carebear stab wh#res. Heavy tackler anyone? Heck, you can even drop the web and fit another point on there, or go really nuts and drop your MWD and fit 5. And this is assuming you don't fit 2 point scrams- then you'd have 10 points on. Enough to hold down even a 100% stabbed out Geddon. The Rokh is brilliant. It just requires more than a few missile skills to use, and gasp may require some other exotic skills like armor tanking and drones to be used effectively. OMG, imagine that!? Life Begins at -10! FIX RECON PROBES
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:31:00 - [50] ** dps? Ok tell me 8 Neutrons with 50% better range than megathron (that means a much more flexible range of engagement) is **y damage? It does more damage than a raven (realistic damage against a random BS or BC) and tanks better. What else you want? If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:50:00 - [51] Originally by: Lyta Reimalken Granted, its not as uber as it was made out to be, but it could've been worse, you couldve gotten a Maelstrom.. :) I can't understand how people still complain about the maesltrom. I disliked it.. then bought one and now I love it. It did everything people said it would nto do. It is a NEW thing (a minmatar ship oriented to a different combat style, sit tank and dish DPS). It make an excelent arti boat. And by arty boat I am not speaking sniper ( Because since the introduction of the new probes I never saw long range fleet engagements), but as a medium range ( 90 km alpha striking ship for fire support0 with aawesome tank at same time. Show me a ship that can hit things at 90km with powerfull damage and WTF tank. Same thing with the rokh. Its a new and DIFFERENT ship for teh caldari. People are just to lazy to learn to fight in a new way. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:52:00 - [52] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Lyta Reimalken Granted, its not as uber as it was made out to be, but it could've been worse, you couldve gotten a Maelstrom.. :) I can't understand how people still complain about the maesltrom. I disliked it.. then bought one and now I love it. It did everything people said it would nto do. It is a NEW thing (a minmatar ship oriented to a different combat style, sit tank and dish DPS). It make an excelent arti boat. And by arty boat I am not speaking sniper ( Because since the introduction of the new probes I never saw long range fleet engagements), but as a medium range ( 90 km alpha striking ship for fire support0 with aawesome tank at same time. Show me a ship that can hit things at 90km with powerfull damage and WTF tank. Same thing with the rokh. Its a new and DIFFERENT ship for teh caldari. People are just to lazy to learn to fight in a new way. Aye, Maelstrom is designed to gank and tank. Fit it that way and bring friends. sgb
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.03.12 12:57:00 - [53] Edited by: Laboratus on 12/03/2007 12:55:31 Considering that it lasted for over a minute, made one of you warp away it was pretty uber. Not many ships can compete against 3 ships one of which is a faction ship, one EW cruiser of optimal type and a Nos domi... How long would your mega would have lasted against that damage? Domi+mega+arbi should do about 2.5k-3k dps so it was a miracle he lasted as long as he did. Edit: Just realised, I replyed to a necro IBTL ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.12 13:55:00 - [54] I'm absolutely maxed for rails (exception large spec IV) and the damage is poor with rails. That's why I'm training to fly a scum ship (Mega). I've tried the Rokh with tech I blasters and its not too hot tbh.
Chung Pow	Posted - 2007.03.20 04:21:00 - [55] My Rokh will WTFPWN a Hyperion at mining. Boasting a cool 2400 m3 every 3 minutes without mining drones. All I have to say to all the other battleship owners is....Bring it!!
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.20 12:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Testy Mctest Either way, the Rokh's strengths lie in two areas. Firstly, using high damage ammo at silly ranges, where other races would need to use lower damage ammo. That's like having a built in damage bonus. Secondly, the extreme range sniping we all know and love. Finally someone got it right. 100/100 points. Quote: Jack of all trades, Master of none. Caldari 4TL. (Once again, Thanks Devs.) 1/100 points. 1 point for the Caldari dissing. The Rokh is actually 'master' of range, mid to long range damage (due to ammo) and tank. Please tell me why 'Caldari' is a bad choice, especially considering all the masses of Caldari players? Easiest to fly and probably best fleet sniper, best mission cruiser, battlecruiser and battleship plus awesome passive tanks on Rokh and Drake = 4tl? I don't think so, Tim. ___________________________________ _/_/ Game balance isn't just a luxury _/_/
Marco Ragnos Caldari Blood Knights Terra Prime	Posted - 2007.03.20 15:02:00 - [57] I`ve got few Rokhs, and sadly lost them, so I have mixed impression about this ship. It`s really useful range bonus, and pretty good armor resistance bonus, but it`s one thing annoying me in almost all Caldari ships, it`s not enough med slots mostly because of shield tanking, so you must chose for example between sacrificing shield resistance or shield extension and really needed devices like MVD, Cap Boosters Target painters etc. Also I want admit really low amount of capacitor energy, it’s great problem when MVD is fitted and all 8 weapons are active. I can see Rokh only in role of a gang or fleet sniper. Once I have fit it with 8 Blasters, MVD, Cap booster. And what do you thing I have got ?! Right ! I’ve got slowly ship with 120 000 000 kg mass, that’s why when you try to approach target in 40 km distance you will loose all you capacitor because Rokh will not achieve its maximum sped and will move quite slowly, you will need permanent cap recharge, cos 70% will be spend by MVD and other 30% will disappear in one moment when you will activate blasters, I even don’t say anything about active resistance plates if you gather how to pot them without outputting devices needed to support. So what we totally have if we decided to use close combat Rokh, Slowly ship, Small amount of capacitor, horrible maneuvering and speed even with MVD, and the worth’s is that you will not have med slots to fit shield resistance and extension. In this case, Gallente ships without a doubt have total superiority, they might have really great tank and resistance using low slots and in the same time have enough med slots for all kinds of devices. PS But it`s one more reason except for range bonus I`m using this ship, as for me it`s the most likable BS in EvE.
Swamp Ziro EPSILON TEAM	Posted - 2007.03.20 15:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Marco Ragnos thatÆs why when you try to approach target in 40 km distance Why the hell would you want to approach a target? You outrange him , let him do the approach, while hitting him from 30km... with blasters. And if he's hitting you at 40km , he's prolly a sniper anyway, so you easily outdamage/outtank him at say 25km. Hell, the best thing about the Rokh is the range and you're approaching targets?!
Marco Ragnos Caldari Blood Knights Terra Prime	Posted - 2007.03.20 15:35:00 - [59] Edited by: Marco Ragnos on 20/03/2007 15:32:21 Maybe I have not enough skills lvl, but I have 15 km optimal range, with limited mega electron’s. By the way, it’s many situation when you must approach your target, for example in battle with 2 gang involved about 30 ppl total, or most outstanding situation when you meet Drake somewhere in 0.0 he will hold distance about 40 km and successfully attacked you with missiles...
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:06:00 - [60] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: Marco Ragnos thatÆs why when you try to approach target in 40 km distance Why the hell would you want to approach a target? You outrange him , let him do the approach, while hitting him from 30km... with blasters. And if he's hitting you at 40km , he's prolly a sniper anyway, so you easily outdamage/outtank him at say 25km. Hell, the best thing about the Rokh is the range and you're approaching targets?! that does not work when you are fighting a maesltrom with barrage and fallof rigs :) Or a raven... or a typhoon.... If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Marco Ragnos Caldari Blood Knights Terra Prime	Posted - 2007.03.21 17:19:00 - [61] Edited by: Marco Ragnos on 21/03/2007 17:17:21 Yesterday I have bought Mega, fly a bit with blasters I understood that Rokh have 2 disadvantages: first its capacitor low capacity, second is its mass about 120 000 000 kg against 100 000 000 kg of Tier 2 BS. Still I feels much comfortable flying on Mega in close combat equipment, it’s enough med slots for devices, and low for tanking or upgrades and I could don’t worry about capacitor. But as sniper there is no equal to Rokh.
Acidictadpole Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.30 07:37:00 - [62] This thread makes all the panda's in the world sad.
Snikkt Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.30 08:24:00 - [63] Originally by: Acidictadpole This thread makes all the panda's in the world sad. You just dragged this thread up to say something as stupid as that? ------------------- My opinions (ie, all of my posting here) are not my corporations. Nor should it be taken as such.
Kazaam DemoN Of Morgoth	Posted - 2007.03.30 10:11:00 - [64] Originally by: CaperPuts Eh... I'd rather have the Rokh's bonuses on my Maelstrom, than the current ones. Oh wait, I don't have a Maelstrom since its current bonuses suck >_> lol ? try this : High 2x Heavy Diminidhing Nos 6x Dual 650mm AC II ( EMP L / Hail L ) Med 1x EM passive 1x 100MN AB/MWD II 1x Scrambler 20km 1x Heavy Electrochemical Capa Booster thingy 1x Shield Boost Amp II 1x XLSB II Low 3x Gyrostab II 1x CPU II 1x Whatever, IStab or Tracking Enhancer Drones: 2 Webbers and whatever you want ( ECM, Neutralizers, Hammerheads etc ) Rigs: 2x Shield Cycle reducing thing 1x Capa recharge rate -- On Sisi this thing is crazy... I don't remember my setup exactly but with Crystal Implants Set, the XLSB II gives something like over 2k shield every 3.2 secs, imagine this with Gist X-type stuff :o _________________________________________ Originally by: Oveur EVE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEAAATHHH !!
Hans Angry Caldari FM Corp Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.04.24 05:58:00 - [65] this is more of a suicide rokh setup... but it works very well for tanking the masses while waiting for the rest of the fleet to come in or such, should tank 15 fighter drones with ease... with the rigs it should take 3.25 seconds for each X-Large booster to boost and with all nos's running and the cap booster on, the cap will maintain at 100%, while the cap booster will hold 1 of the shield boosters nos will hold the other and more... great for breaking tanks and such High: 8x Heavy Diminishing Nos Medium: 2x X-Large Shield Booster II 2x Invulnerability Field II 1x Photon Scattering Field II 1x Heavy Electrochem Cap Booster (800's) Low: 1x Damage Control II 2x Photonic CPU Enhancer I 2x Power Diagnostic System II Drones: 2x Berserker SW-900 Rigs: 2x Core Defence Operational Solidifier I 1x Core Defence Charge Economizer I
Vekin Lestrak	Posted - 2007.04.24 06:12:00 - [66] Nobody has mentioned the fact that the Rokh is arguably the best mining BS. :P Not only that, but it can perma-tank many 0.0 belt spawns while mining. It might be a bit expensive as a mining toy, but nothing is more fearsome then watching a fleet of Rokhs massacre an asteroid belt. (all joking aside, the Rokh does make a pretty damn nice mining ship)
kill0rbunny Alpha-Hirogen The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.04.24 07:25:00 - [67] 8 NOS is a bit odd i think. But it can fit pretty many of them, that's nice for tankbreaking. Rokh Neutron Blaster Cannon II [80xVoid L] Neutron Blaster Cannon II [80xVoid L] Neutron Blaster Cannon II [80xVoid L] Neutron Blaster Cannon II [80xVoid L] Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I X-Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [4xCap Booster 800] 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Rigs : Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \ Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hammerhead II 11714 shield, 18.66/s, E/T/K/Ex=66/72/79/86 8750 armor, E/T/K/Ex=65/53/36/23 5953.499459266675 cap, +17.42/s, -167.999/s 804.0 m/s 303.0 DPS Pew Pew!
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.24 08:28:00 - [68] My only concern with Rokh is that hybrids and shield tanking don't mix for one reason: absurd cap consumption. I have both cap skills at five, yet even the peak recharge is not enough to sustain just the guns. An injector is mandatory, obviously, but one is insufficient since the booster hogs roughly twice as much as it provides. At the moment I'm experimenting with two injectors, which requires two neutrons to be downgraded to ions. I've also had to drop the scrambler for this reason, and to admit that only few caldari ships are viable for soloing. The setup is: 6 Neutron Blaster Cannon II 2 Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 XL Shield Booster II 1 Shield Boost Amp 2 Invul II 2 Heavy Electrochemica Injector 2 Mag Stab II 2 PDS II 1 DCU II 1 EM rig 1 TM rig 1 Cap rig It does make for a feisty tank. But without propulsion, webbing or scrambling it's quite desperate for complimentary tackling. The boost amp could be traded for a scrambler, I guess, but I'm reluctant to. ---
SoulOfAnnihilation Mutually Assured Destruction	Posted - 2007.05.07 06:19:00 - [69] Personally this is my setup I said screw the rails... i'll stick to what i'm good at! High: 3x Domination Heavy Nos 1x Domination Heavy Energy Neutrilizer 4x Tech 2 Seige Launchers (Rage Torpedos) Middle: 1x Tech 2 100MN Microwarpdrive (Soon to be upgraded as isk allows) 1x Tech 2 X-Large Shield Booster 1x Best Named Shield Boost Amplifier 1x Tech 2 Heavy Cap Injector (4x 800's) 1x Domination Warp Disruptor One more mid slot i cant remeber right now. (i think a Domination Stasis Web works, or a T2 Cap recharger, Depending on drones.) Lows: 1x Domination Nanofiber 1x Domination Interia Stab 1x Domination Overdrive Injector 1x Tech 2 Power Diagnostic 1x Tech 2 Ballistic Control Unit Drone Bay: 2 Stasis Webs, or 2 TP Drones, or 5 EC-600 Drones Works great. can solo BC's or below. i've done it before. Mostly a great support ship. kills BS's Cap very quickly with a Curse. somewhat ex*****ve, but i've only ever lost one... Miss intel, and 20 vs 1... other wise its a solid ship. never fails me.
Emerald666 Amarr Initech Corporation Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2007.06.08 03:52:00 - [70] ==[Emerald666's Rokh]== (Rokh) HIGH-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Siege Missile Launcher II [20xJuggernaut Torpedo] Siege Missile Launcher II [20xJuggernaut Torpedo] Siege Missile Launcher II [20xJuggernaut Torpedo] Siege Missile Launcher II [20xJuggernaut Torpedo] Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ X-Large Shield Booster II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Shield Boost Amplifier II LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II RIG-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard II Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II DRONE BAY : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hammerhead II (Gallente Medium Scout Drone) Hammerhead II (Gallente Medium Scout Drone) Hammerhead II (Gallente Medium Scout Drone) Hammerhead II (Gallente Medium Scout Drone) Hammerhead II (Gallente Medium Scout Drone) SHIP'S ATTRIBUTES : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powergrid: 15284.05 MW/22790.738 MW CPU: 975.0 tf/975.0 tf Capacitor(regen): 9116.295 Energy(657.14sec) Max Cap Regen: 33.99 per sec(approx.) Max Cap Needed: 67.2 per sec Velocity: 151.25 m/sec Signature: 603.123 m Target Range: 123750.0 m Scan Resolution: 103.125 mm ECCM Gravimetric: 24.0 points Shield HP(regen): 21560.038 HP (1314.27sec) Max Shield Regen: 41.01 per sec(approx.) Shield EM: 76.52 % Shield Explosive: 70.0 % Shield Kinetic: 79.75 % Shield Thermal: 73.0 % Armor HP: 9625.0 Armor EM: 60.0 % Armor Explosive: 10.0 % Armor Kinetic: 25.0 % Armor Thermal: 45.0 % Structure HP: 9375.0 Agility Modifier: 0.213 x Warp Max Distance: 1101.0AU I killed a Blaster-thron with this setup 1v1. Amarr 4TW! :)
Emerald666 Amarr Initech Corporation Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2007.06.08 04:14:00 - [71] Originally by: Xiaodown EW is dead, and yet we don't have any ships set up to do any remote sensor damping, or long range scrambling, or webbing, or nosing. This is an untrue statement... NOS bonus gains=Curse, Pilgrim, Ashimmu, Bhaalgorn, Cruor. Scramble/Disrupt/Dampening Bonus: Lachesis, Arazu. Web Bonus: Bhaalgorn, Ashimmu, Cruor, Huginn, Rapier. BTW with MAXED EW skills Rook, Scorpion, & Falcon are still fairly impressive ECM platforms. Amarr/Caldari Pact 4TW! :)
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:19:00 - [72] Problem is, Caldari is supposed to have range and shield tank. But for range at least, it's usually pretty useless, unless you are in a fleet with a lot of fast tacklers. Maybe if CCP gave it a small RoF bonus? Say 5% per level. That'd even the DPS sort of, but it would cost more, because of all the shots. But still, people who use a Blaster Rokh in my opinion are a bit silly, and should try to use it's bonuses to their advantage. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
The RepoMan Caldari Red Horizon Inc Red Horizon	Posted - 2007.12.12 22:21:00 - [73] I think the replies since the necro prove that while the thread is a year old, stupid is forever timeless.
Serim Caldari Death Monkey's With Knives Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.01.11 08:18:00 - [74] Can't believe no one said this yet, but why not make this Rokh into a rock and shield transport support in gang? It sounds about right to me. A smart person would probably not go for the Rokh first as it gets a very good tank. If thats the case, why not be supportive and force people on you? I dunno, random typing at night.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.11 10:34:00 - [75] This is the point: A rokh can deal 1000dps with verry good droneskills and pretty maxed Neutron Blaster Cannon II's (with 3x MFS II) WHILE having a goldy tank (bs lvl5, 1x DCU II, 2x Invul Field II's, 1x XL SB II and 2x SBA II's and 3x Shieldbooster cap usage rigs(and it has a Heavy Cap Injector II). A gankmega with a set of Ogre II's and Neutron Blaster Cannon II's will only hold out as long as your plates/trimarks can handle, while doing something close to 1200dps. Both ships have there uses. In a gatecamp with multiple tacklers on your side, the Rokh is AWESOME because of its range bonus (something like 15km+15km with null or so?) and thus it doesnt need a mwd AND can do instant damage on locking. It cant tackle and is too slow to do anything close to solo with it. In other words, the Rokh is better designed to tank alot and it is a good damage dealer at gates (or as a sniper ofc). The Mega on the other side, deals more dps at much closer ranges (something that doesnt matter too much for the Rokh) AND it can tackle, but the tanking ability is nothing, it only has a buffer tank. Also the tracking bonus on the guns is sweet for hitting faster stuff at closeranges. So you can say that the mega excels more with the possibility to solo, more than being a good gatecamper (you have to mwd to your target first, tackle and shoot, so your damage will be incoming 'later' on your target than a Rokh can do at the same 15km away spot). Both good ships, both good uses. Besides that, did i mention the discorokh i sweeeeet? Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Ap0ll0n Gallente Pikfjaes	Posted - 2008.01.11 23:33:00 - [76] Originally by: DHB WildCat Yes they get range bonus but do sh*t dps. So here is a little story and the only set-up for a rohk. Three of us your running around low sec looking for kills. We had been in a 0.4 system for half an hour or so and decided to jump into a 0.5 system. Lo and behold we find ourselves a rohk! sweet, we all say on ts, and we ask ourselves were this Tier 3 Battleship pilot is going to go. So we sit and watch him. It takes him 15 seconds to get up to spped and warp after he jumped in, and to our immense pleasure he had warped to the gate that we had come from. So we give chase. My two friends beat him to the gate and jump in as he comes out of warp. So we have a nano Domi, and arbitrator now waiting for him on the other side. Both have T2 drones and NOS. I am just behind the Rohk in my Navy Meg and jump in with him. I uncloak and approach the gate while the others have drones out and wait for me to grab agro from the sentry guns. This Rohk is set-up with full T2 tank and cap injector, with Nuetron Blasters. He uncloaks and I scramble him and grab aggro from his guns and the sntries. Then all three of us proceed to pound away at him. I have him webbed (thankfully). The fight is 1 minute and 30 seconds long when he begins to shoot the arbitrator. The arby though has him tracking distrupted so he cannot hit our cruiser, but the sentries soon make our cruiser warp off. The rohk then proceeds to hit me again. My only concern was from his T2 mediums and the sentries. The rohk gets no bonus to gun damage so he was hitting me for 20-40 with every gun lol. Anyways 3-4 minutes after the fight had begun We finally killed him. Grabbed the loot and hit a safe to wait out aggression. So after testing with the ship myself and trying to kill a few of them I have decided on the fact that there is only 1 real set-up for this ship. Yes in fleet fights go for range but it cant kill anything!!!! Fit this ship with 8 Nos, and a tank from hell and cap injectors. Then hope your gang can kill the targets because this ship cannot, but this ship in my opinion (besides faction BS, and capital ships) has the best T2 tank in the game, some may argue that fact but in my opinion it is! WildCat And you really think a Megathron would have lasted longer?

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