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Robert De Lyse Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2015.08.11 11:17:01 - [1] - Quote It's dead simple really You whine and complain when empire war decs are discussed as possible nerfs, costs to rise etc and you come up with this: "Why should we be forced to PvP in low/null/wh's when we want to PvP in empire, we should be able to play EvE how we like" Okay sure, sandbox and all that, BUT: What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? To FORCE them to play how you want to play? To FORCE them to change there mission/industrial/exploration play styles to PVP against you? What gives you the RIGHT to FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME how you want to? You don't want to be FORCED into low/null/wh's. Stop being hypocrites. Griefers - Cowards who fly speed fit ships such as 10mn ab fit sivpuls with medium boosts, or gank certain systems with spys in each gate within a 1j radius, we had 7 war decs and we took a 30 man fleet, what did they all do? They ran to a station and hid. Smacked in local, in all there fancy t3's, they ran from a 30 man frig/dessy gang. Code - buncha noobs ganking barges and nearly causing a market crash, well done, well done "Griefers slam wow" - K sure, u don't play it for one reason, u cant go around destroying everyones stuff Buncha cowards, all of you.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2424	Posted - 2015.08.11 11:28:18 - [2] - Quote Do go on. popcorn Also, things are made to be broken. It's kind of a fundamental bit of supply and demand. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1320	Posted - 2015.08.11 11:31:47 - [3] - Quote Robert De Lyse wrote: It's dead simple really You whine and complain when empire war decs are discussed as possible nerfs, costs to rise etc and you come up with this: "Why should we be forced to PvP in low/null/wh's when we want to PvP in empire, we should be able to play EvE how we like" Okay sure, sandbox and all that, BUT: What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? To FORCE them to play how you want to play? To FORCE them to change there mission/industrial/exploration play styles to PVP against you? What gives you the RIGHT to FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME how you want to? You don't want to be FORCED into low/null/wh's. Stop being hypocrites. Griefers - Cowards who fly speed fit ships such as 10mn ab fit sivpuls with medium boosts, or gank certain systems with spys in each gate within a 1j radius, we had 7 war decs and we took a 30 man fleet, what did they all do? They ran to a station and hid. Smacked in local, in all there fancy t3's, they ran from a 30 man frig/dessy gang. Code - buncha noobs ganking barges and nearly causing a market crash, well done, well done "Griefers slam wow" - K sure, u don't play it for one reason, u cant go around destroying everyones stuff Buncha cowards, all of you. Eve is a PvP game at its core as I linked to you in another thread. This simple fact that this is how the game is designed is what gives other players the right for force you into PvP anywhere. If you think they are cowards and want to do something about it, your energies would be better spent in-game rather than whining on the forums. I hear that anti-ganking is still looking for help if you actually want to do something more than cry about those evil "griefers".
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2015.08.11 11:31:53 - [4] - Quote Which bit of it's a PvP game didn't you understand? Hmm, can only find sweet popcorn, prefer toffee popcorn myself.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 83	Posted - 2015.08.11 11:46:11 - [5] - Quote Robert De Lyse wrote: What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? To FORCE them to play how you want to play? To FORCE them to change there mission/industrial/exploration play styles to PVP against you? What gives you the RIGHT to FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME how you want to? You don't want to be FORCED into low/null/wh's. Nobody is stopping anyone doing missions, industrial or exploration. But as a PvP game they shouldn't expect to be able to do those professions risk free.
Odie McCracken Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.08.11 11:50:10 - [6] - Quote Griefing is a bannable offence in Eve. If someone if griefing file a petition with CCP.
Domino Vyse Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 276	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:00:26 - [7] - Quote Who got sand in your box?
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 542	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:06:30 - [8] - Quote Christ, I just managed to yawn at both ends simultaneously!
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 14061	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:14:55 - [9] - Quote Robert De Lyse wrote: What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? It's called player freedom, look it up some time. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Anne Dieu-le-veut Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People 205	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:23:50 - [10] - Quote Less than week old NPC corp forum alt calling other people cowards...not sure if trolling or oblivious.

Odie McCracken Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:25:16 - [11] - Quote Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote: Less than week old NPC corp forum alt calling other people cowards...not sure if trolling or oblivious. Based on grammar and writing style, I vote trolling. Clearly a troll, but not a very bight one so it's entertaining :)
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24580	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:39:24 - [12] - Quote Robert De Lyse wrote: It's dead simple really You whine and complain when empire war decs are discussed as possible nerfs, costs to rise etc and you come up with this: "Why should we be forced to PvP in low/null/wh's when we want to PvP in empire, we should be able to play EvE how we like" Okay sure, sandbox and all that, BUT: What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? To FORCE them to play how you want to play? To FORCE them to change there mission/industrial/exploration play styles to PVP against you? What gives you the RIGHT to FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME how you want to? You don't want to be FORCED into low/null/wh's. What's good for the goose is also good for the gander. Some missioners, industrialists and explorers have been demanding that CCP nerf hisec aggression for years, the current situation is the result of that. What gives them the right to demand that CCP make others change their playstyles to suit them? The difference is that PvPer's are doing their own dirty work, the carebears are expecting CCP to do it for them. Quote: Stop being hypocrites. Griefers - Cowards who fly speed fit ships such as 10mn ab fit sivpuls with medium boosts, or gank certain systems with spys in each gate within a 1j radius, we had 7 war decs and we took a 30 man fleet, what did they all do? They ran to a station and hid. Smacked in local, in all there fancy t3's, they ran from a 30 man frig/dessy gang. What are they, cowards or griefers? BTW CCP don't tolerate griefing, their definition of griefer probably doesn't match yours though Quote: Code - buncha noobs ganking barges and nearly causing a market crash, well done, well done Citation needed Quote: "Griefers slam wow" - K sure, u don't play it for one reason, u cant go around destroying everyones stuff It's the lowest common denominator, as such it's going to get slammed. Quote: Buncha cowards, all of you. Would you say that to their faces or are you to cowardly to do so? TL;DR You should stick to stealing stuff from fools. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Valkin Mordirc 1361	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:40:08 - [13] - Quote Ladies and Gentlemen this man is here to take Veers place. `#DeleteTheWeak`
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24580	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:53:39 - [14] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen this man is here to take Veers place. That's a huge pair of shoes to fill. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1341	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:57:36 - [15] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Robert De Lyse wrote: What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? It's called player freedom, look it up some time. its really one sided player freedom, just sayin is all EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 14062	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:01:30 - [16] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Robert De Lyse wrote: What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? It's called player freedom, look it up some time. its really one sided player freedom, just sayin is all Not at all, they have the freedom to avoid it if they so choose. They do not have any right to demand that it cease, in any way. If they want that, they can go play Star Trek Online with the rest of the cowards. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kooshti Bargain Booze 28	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:01:40 - [17] - Quote why is this guy mad? was he violated in space?
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24582	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:05:28 - [18] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Robert De Lyse wrote: What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? It's called player freedom, look it up some time. its really one sided player freedom, just sayin is all Not really, I do all of the carebear things and have zero problems with mission invaders or suicide gankers, mainly because I actively take steps to minimise their impact on my gameplay. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 14062	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:07:59 - [19] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Robert De Lyse wrote: What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? It's called player freedom, look it up some time. its really one sided player freedom, just sayin is all Not really, I do all of the carebear things and have zero problems with mission invaders or suicide gankers, mainly because I actively take steps to minimise their impact on my gameplay. Precisely this. What carebears (as opposed to you, which I would call a PvE player. They don't get to be called players) want is to have the ability to NOT play the game even halfway correctly, while being completely immune to other people at the same time. That is contrary to player freedom, because what they want can only be achieved by a harsh curtailing of player freedom. And since EVE is pretty much defined and sold on player freedom, what they want is the death of the game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1341	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:09:17 - [20] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Robert De Lyse wrote: What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? It's called player freedom, look it up some time. its really one sided player freedom, just sayin is all Not at all, they have the freedom to avoid it if they so choose. They do not have any right to demand that it cease, in any way. If they want that, they can go play Star Trek Online with the rest of the cowards. I sit on the fence with both sides of this sort of thing, while you are having freedom to do what you want you are restricting the freedom of other to play your own game. yeah they can avoid it ofcourse but having to avoid something is not freedom to go where you want, but i only really look at this from wardec mechanics where they force people, and forcing something on someone is not freedom. but the rules allow it so why even bother arguing about it EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design

Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 14062	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:12:53 - [21] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: I sit on the fence with both sides of this sort of thing, while you are having freedom to do what you want you are restricting the freedom of other to play your own game. That's why it's PvP. The better player wins in a contest of opposite intents. Since they are almost universally the inferior players, they hate that fact. That's why they argue to take the choice itself away from the other side. Quote: yeah they can avoid it ofcourse but having to avoid something is not freedom to go where you want Yes, it is. No one has the freedom to not have to defend themselves, however. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1341	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:17:09 - [22] - Quote i cant really argue much about it as i would shoot them too, but i dont think wardecs are really player freedom for both parties EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24583	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:18:30 - [23] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Robert De Lyse wrote: What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? It's called player freedom, look it up some time. its really one sided player freedom, just sayin is all Not at all, they have the freedom to avoid it if they so choose. They do not have any right to demand that it cease, in any way. If they want that, they can go play Star Trek Online with the rest of the cowards. I sit on the fence with both sides of this sort of thing, while you are having freedom to do what you want you are restricting the freedom of other to play your own game. yeah they can avoid it ofcourse but having to avoid something is not freedom to go where you want, but i only really look at this from wardec mechanics where they force people, and forcing something on someone is not freedom. but the rules allow it so why even bother arguing about it Avoiding being a victim in no way restricts what I do or where I go. I regularly haul through Uedama, I often mine in systems claimed by CODE.; still haven't exploded doing either. *touches wood, not that kind of wood you perverts Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1341	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:20:02 - [24] - Quote what i mean is wardeccing a corp and forcing them to stay in a station because thats all they feel they can do is not really player freedom, wardecs are removing freedom from a player to benefit another player. sorta thing EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Anne Dieu-le-veut Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People 205	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:26:08 - [25] - Quote If only you could drop corp, or drop and reform to avoid a war dec...
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 14062	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:27:08 - [26] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: what i mean is wardeccing a corp and forcing them to stay in a station because thats all they feel they can do is not really player freedom, wardecs are removing freedom from a player to benefit another player. sorta thing They still have player freedom. They are choosing to stay in station all day, that's not something forced on them except by their own mindset. But they still have the choice, even if they made a bad decision. They have options, in fact they have lots of options, the game is quite literally obscene about that kind of thing. People who handcuff themselves should not reflect on the people playing the game correctly. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:35:05 - [27] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: I sit on the fence with both sides of this sort of thing, while you are having freedom to do what you want you are restricting the freedom of other to play your own game. yeah they can avoid it ofcourse but having to avoid something is not freedom to go where you want, but i only really look at this from wardec mechanics where they force people, and forcing something on someone is not freedom. but the rules allow it so why even bother arguing about it The fence tends to be uncomfortable, I prefer a chair myself. Way I see it, this game is a PvP game so you can choose what you want to do but you can't choose what you want others to do to you (as long as it's not actual griefing). I'll use WoW as an example only because of their different types of servers. PvP servers - PvE players play on these as well as PvP player as they like to look over their shoulders and feel there's actually a threat to them. PvE servers - as well as PvE players you get casual PvP players, the casual PvP players like to PvE and only PvP when they want to, via arenas and battlegrounds. EVE being a PvP game, it's not really a casual PvP game only way not to PvP is to try and avoid it.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.08.11 13:43:39 - [28] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: what i mean is wardeccing a corp and forcing them to stay in a station because thats all they feel they can do is not really player freedom, wardecs are removing freedom from a player to benefit another player. sorta thing Which is why a lot probably stay in NPC corps. If it wasn't for players choosing to suicide NPC corp. players they would be free from all PvP. I don't see the issue being the players so much but the way high-sec is set up, one of the reasons I don't intend to stay in high-sec. High-sec is kind of an odd place for a PvP game, but I guess it depends what CCP is really trying to do with it. Of which that I don't know.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1485	Posted - 2015.08.11 14:16:47 - [29] - Quote Tried to read the OP, but almost drowned in his tears after only a few sentences. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1341	Posted - 2015.08.11 14:19:49 - [30] - Quote Avvy wrote: Lan Wang wrote: what i mean is wardeccing a corp and forcing them to stay in a station because thats all they feel they can do is not really player freedom, wardecs are removing freedom from a player to benefit another player. sorta thing Which is why a lot probably stay in NPC corps. If it wasn't for players choosing to suicide NPC corp. players they would be free from all combat PvP. I don't see the issue being the players so much but the way high-sec is set up, one of the reasons I don't intend to stay in high-sec. High-sec is kind of an odd place for a PvP game, but I guess it depends what CCP is really trying to do with it. Of which that I don't know. yeah and npc corps are another thing which need fixed, they are anti-social EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design



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