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Doc Banshee Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:48:00 - [91] high: 7x heavy neutron II Mids: 1x SS 10mn MWD 1x Warp disruptor II 1x /whatever, probably a web 1x DB/TS med injector Lows: 1x 'greaves' or 'meditation' medium armor repairer 2x SS MFS 1x Armor Exp hardner II 1x EANM II 1x DCU II Rigs: whatever you want it all fits with AWU IV \\Doc._B
Glassback M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.01 00:19:00 - [92] 5 MEDIUM ECM DRONES!! G. If Eve was just a game, it would have a pause button.
Phantom Harlock Gallente Righteous-Indignation Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:07:00 - [93] This 1x MAR that DarkElf brings up in order to increase dps makes me want to rethink my setup. Running all neutrons and 2 reps does like a nasty cap drain. I will try the 1 MAR and extra MFS for a bit.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.01 16:47:00 - [94] Originally by: Phantom Harlock This 1x MAR that DarkElf brings up in order to increase dps makes me want to rethink my setup. Running all neutrons and 2 reps does like a nasty cap drain. I will try the 1 MAR and extra MFS for a bit. The second mag stab is so awesome. It may surprise ppl to find out the electrons with 2 mag stabs actually do more dps than neutrons with 1 mag stab. The second one adds a lot of dps and a double rep, double mag stab neutron setup just puts a bit too much strain on cap when ur being nos'd and these days that tends to be in every fight. The only thing with the single rep setup is that u need to make sure u drop the target fast. You have the dps to do it, you just have to make sure ur at the right range and have the right backup skills to carry it out. Plus the slave implants help with the lastability. DE
Jezzalah Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:01:00 - [95] always carrier 2 exile boosters.
Skyblue Oy Haulinalle Ab	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:16:00 - [96] Originally by: Jezzalah always carrier 2 exile boosters. And get ganked in high sec by police?
Davram Bashere	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:47:00 - [97] DarkElf could you post your setup in here? Image won't work for me :/
Klavayne Pack Of Shadows	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:00:00 - [98] Originally by: Davram Bashere DarkElf could you post your setup in here? Image won't work for me :/ If i remember correctly it was: 7x T2 Neutrons 10MN MWD T2 True Sansha medium cap booster (dark blood maybe) Domination Web Domination Scrambler Corelum(/Corpum) A-Type Medium Armour Rep Corelum A-Type EANM Core X-Type Explosive Hardener 2 x Mag Stab (possibly Shadow Serpentis) Then 10% PG rig and 10% hybrid damage rig. (these were mentioned in a later post) The damage rig made me wonder, surely a ROF rig will give you a better DPS.
Davram Bashere	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:07:00 - [99] Originally by: Klavayne Originally by: Davram Bashere DarkElf could you post your setup in here? Image won't work for me :/ If i remember correctly it was: 7x T2 Neutrons 10MN MWD T2 True Sansha medium cap booster (dark blood maybe) Domination Web Domination Scrambler Corelum(/Corpum) A-Type Medium Armour Rep Corelum A-Type EANM Core X-Type Explosive Hardener 2 x Mag Stab (possibly Shadow Serpentis) Then 10% PG rig and 10% hybrid damage rig. (these were mentioned in a later post) The damage rig made me wonder, surely a ROF rig will give you a better DPS. Thanks
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:18:00 - [100] Originally by: Davram Bashere Originally by: Klavayne Originally by: Davram Bashere DarkElf could you post your setup in here? Image won't work for me :/ If i remember correctly it was: 7x T2 Neutrons 10MN MWD T2 True Sansha medium cap booster (dark blood maybe) Domination Web Domination Scrambler Corelum(/Corpum) A-Type Medium Armour Rep Corelum A-Type EANM Core X-Type Explosive Hardener 2 x Mag Stab (possibly Shadow Serpentis) Then 10% PG rig and 10% hybrid damage rig. (these were mentioned in a later post) The damage rig made me wonder, surely a ROF rig will give you a better DPS. Thanks yup that's pretty much it. The scrambler is a disruptor and the mag stabs are shadow serpentis. Also the rep and eanm are corpum a-type and the active explosive hardener is centus x but the stats i think are the same as what he said. it's truly the pwn. about 1.5bil in stuff at last i checked but think the prices have gone up since. DE
Zubakis Bambooule TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:35:00 - [101] Well, how to fit an Astarte: 1) Heavy Ion II + DMG or ROF rig > Heavy Neutron II + PG rig 2) Heavy Ion II + DMG rig + ROF rig > Heavy Neutron II + PG rig + DMG rig (DarkElf setup) You have better DPS and tracking, but lower falloff. Cheers
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:51:00 - [102] Originally by: Zubakis Well, how to fit an Astarte: 1) Heavy Ion II + DMG or ROF rig > Heavy Neutron II + PG rig 2) Heavy Ion II + DMG rig + ROF rig > Heavy Neutron II + PG rig + DMG rig (DarkElf setup) You have better DPS and tracking, but lower falloff. Cheers mmm interesting. And u can fit the 2 rigs with a full rack of ions? DE
Phantom Harlock Gallente Righteous-Indignation Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:52:00 - [103] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Davram Bashere Originally by: Klavayne Originally by: Davram Bashere DarkElf could you post your setup in here? Image won't work for me :/ If i remember correctly it was: 7x T2 Neutrons 10MN MWD T2 True Sansha medium cap booster (dark blood maybe) Domination Web Domination Scrambler Corelum(/Corpum) A-Type Medium Armour Rep Corelum A-Type EANM Core X-Type Explosive Hardener 2 x Mag Stab (possibly Shadow Serpentis) Then 10% PG rig and 10% hybrid damage rig. (these were mentioned in a later post) The damage rig made me wonder, surely a ROF rig will give you a better DPS. Thanks yup that's pretty much it. The scrambler is a disruptor and the mag stabs are shadow serpentis. Also the rep and eanm are corpum a-type and the active explosive hardener is centus x but the stats i think are the same as what he said. it's truly the pwn. about 1.5bil in stuff at last i checked but think the prices have gone up since. DE would you get better dps with a ROF rig than with a Dmg rig?
Zubakis Bambooule TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:54:00 - [104] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Zubakis Well, how to fit an Astarte: 1) Heavy Ion II + DMG or ROF rig > Heavy Neutron II + PG rig 2) Heavy Ion II + DMG rig + ROF rig > Heavy Neutron II + PG rig + DMG rig (DarkElf setup) You have better DPS and tracking, but lower falloff. Cheers mmm interesting. And u can fit the 2 rigs with a full rack of ions? DE Yes, sir.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:00:00 - [105] Originally by: Zubakis Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Zubakis Well, how to fit an Astarte: 1) Heavy Ion II + DMG or ROF rig > Heavy Neutron II + PG rig 2) Heavy Ion II + DMG rig + ROF rig > Heavy Neutron II + PG rig + DMG rig (DarkElf setup) You have better DPS and tracking, but lower falloff. Cheers mmm interesting. And u can fit the 2 rigs with a full rack of ions? DE Yes, sir. Well i have a couple of spare astartes i think i'm gonna try fitting that on one and see how it works out. nice work DE
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:01:00 - [106] Originally by: Phantom Harlock Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Davram Bashere Originally by: Klavayne Originally by: Davram Bashere DarkElf could you post your setup in here? Image won't work for me :/ If i remember correctly it was: 7x T2 Neutrons 10MN MWD T2 True Sansha medium cap booster (dark blood maybe) Domination Web Domination Scrambler Corelum(/Corpum) A-Type Medium Armour Rep Corelum A-Type EANM Core X-Type Explosive Hardener 2 x Mag Stab (possibly Shadow Serpentis) Then 10% PG rig and 10% hybrid damage rig. (these were mentioned in a later post) The damage rig made me wonder, surely a ROF rig will give you a better DPS. Thanks yup that's pretty much it. The scrambler is a disruptor and the mag stabs are shadow serpentis. Also the rep and eanm are corpum a-type and the active explosive hardener is centus x but the stats i think are the same as what he said. it's truly the pwn. about 1.5bil in stuff at last i checked but think the prices have gone up since. DE would you get better dps with a ROF rig than with a Dmg rig? Haven't run the figures exactly so not sure myself but even if it does u then don't get the lovely joy of 1 volleying so many things DE
Zubakis Bambooule TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:53:00 - [107] Originally by: Zubakis Well, how to fit an Astarte: 1) Heavy Ion II + DMG or ROF rig > Heavy Neutron II + PG rig 2) Heavy Ion II + DMG rig + ROF rig > Heavy Neutron II + PG rig + DMG rig (DarkElf setup) You have better DPS and tracking, but lower falloff. Cheers Well, i have to correct me slightly The equations depend on how much magstabs you fit: 1x magstab: dps from ions is 2-3% higher than from neutrons 2x magstabs: dps from neutrons is 0.5-1% higher than from ions 3x magstabs: dps from neutrons is 3-4% higher than from ions (i hope my math is correct) The choice is upon you and depends on your playstyle. Ions have better tracking and are easier to fit, even with 2 dmg rigs they need less pg and cpu. Neutrons have a huger falloff (+ astarte's falloff bonus) and a higher alphastrike.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:59:00 - [108] Originally by: Zubakis Originally by: Zubakis Well, how to fit an Astarte: 1) Heavy Ion II + DMG or ROF rig > Heavy Neutron II + PG rig 2) Heavy Ion II + DMG rig + ROF rig > Heavy Neutron II + PG rig + DMG rig (DarkElf setup) You have better DPS and tracking, but lower falloff. Cheers Well, i have to correct me slightly The equations depend on how much magstabs you fit: 1x magstab: dps from ions is 2-3% higher than from neutrons 2x magstabs: dps from neutrons is 0.5-1% higher than from ions 3x magstabs: dps from neutrons is 3-4% higher than from ions (i hope my math is correct) The choice is upon you and depends on your playstyle. Ions have better tracking and are easier to fit, even with 2 dmg rigs they need less pg and cpu. Neutrons have a huger falloff (+ astarte's falloff bonus) and a higher alphastrike. Ok so which has higher overall dps with 2 mag stabs Neutrons with a damage rig or Ions with a damage and rof rig DE
Zubakis Bambooule TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:06:00 - [109] Originally by: DarkElf Ok so which has higher overall dps with 2 mag stabs Neutrons with a damage rig or Ions with a damage and rof rig DE In this case neutrons will have about 1% higher dps than ions.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:55:00 - [110] Originally by: Zubakis Originally by: DarkElf Ok so which has higher overall dps with 2 mag stabs Neutrons with a damage rig or Ions with a damage and rof rig DE In this case neutrons will have about 1% higher dps than ions. gotcha. i thought that was the highest combo DE
50freefly Caldari Purify United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 00:27:00 - [111] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Originally by: LWMaverick Care to share your all-mighty absolution setup then? /Mav lets put it this way. My abso dont run on cap injectors. it runs perfectly. I find that if you run injectors you will die if the other guys tank dont break. so bottom line is. My abso will die to a nos ship with ease. my set up is. ( asumming i have a tackler. ) 6x heavy pulse lasers , medium nos 1x webber , x1 10mn ab , 1x cap recharger 2x mar reppers, 2x enam , 1x thermic membrane, 2x cpr. 2x rigs. 5x light drones. the above exact mods will not be given out. but pilots such as 50freefly knows how good my setup is. that setup is pretty shocking for pvp tbh. as you said yourself it dies to any ship with a few nos which with current times is almost every bs. also your damage with no heat sinks will be pretty poor for a command ship. i'm pretty sure that a single rep high damage astarte would break that tank before u broke it's tank. Also as said above for me if i want to tank well and solo i'll use a twin rep eos which is awesome. if i'm flying my astarte it means i want the target to die as quickly as possible hence the high dps setup. DE His setup does work really great but he was using faction gear (corpum repper etc), I don't think the principle works as well with just t2. Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Redora Gallente Minmatar Ship Construction Services	Posted - 2007.07.03 01:12:00 - [112] Edited by: Redora on 03/07/2007 01:12:30 Quote: Ok so which has higher overall dps with 2 mag stabs Neutrons with a damage rig or Ions with a damage and rof rig DE All stats are base stats, as adding in skill bonuses would just make it more complex. Since both guns are T2 Med Blasters, all gunnery/ship skills should apply equally, so I'll just figure it with base numbers. Heavy Ion II: 4.5s RoF, 3.375x Damage mod. Heavy Neutron II: 5.25 RoF, 4.2x Damage mod. T2 Magnetic Field Stabilizer: 1.1x Damage Mod, 1.115 RoF Bonus (.895 Multiplier) 1x T2 MFS: Ions: RoF = .895 x 4.5 = 4.0275s Damage = 1.1 x 3.375 = 3.7125 w/ Void M = (48 x 3.7125)/4.027s = 44.251 DPS Neutrons RoF: .895 x 5.25s ~ 4.699s Damage = 1.1 x 4.2 = 4.62 w/ Void M = (48 x 4.62)/4.699 ~ 47.196 DPS 2x T2 MFS: (Stacking penalty gives 86% bonus of the first mod, so 11.5% x .86 = 9.98, or a .9011 modifier on the 2nd MFS II instead of the .895) Ions: RoF = .9011 x 4.027s ~ 3.629s Damage = 1.086 x 3.7125 ~ 4.0318 w/ Void M = (48 x 4.0318)/3.629s ~ 47.987 DPS Neutrons: RoF = .9011 x 4.699s ~ 4.234s Damage = 1.086 x 4.62 ~ 5.0173 w/ Void M = (48 x 5.0173)/4.234s ~ 56.88 DPS Damage Rig: 1.1x modifier (.54 Stacking penalty) for an end modifier of 1.054x Ions: RoF = .9011 x 4.027s ~ 3.629s Damage = 1.054 x 4.0318 ~ 4.249 w/ Void M = (48 x 4.249)/3.629s ~ 56.201 DPS Neutrons: RoF = .9011 x 4.699s ~ 4.234s Damage = 1.054 x 5.0173 ~ 5.288 w/ Void M = (48 x 5.288)/4.234s ~ 59.951 DPS RoF Rig (Ions Only) .9 Modifier, stacking penalized to .946 Ions:RoF = .946 x 3.629s ~ 3.433s Damage = 1.054 x 4.0318 ~ 4.249 w/ Void M = (48 x 4.249)/3.433s ~ 59.408 DPS PG Rig (Neutrons Only) No Damage/RoF Change... Neutrons: RoF = .9011 x 4.699s ~ 4.234s Damage = 1.054 x 5.0173 ~ 5.288 w/ Void M = (48 x 5.288)/4.234s ~ 59.951 DPS These are with Base numbers, so as you add in Ship bonuses, gunnery skill bonuses, gang bonuses, etc. the damage gap will become bigger between Neutrons and Ions. EDIT: Clarity and Formatting --- Redora http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=543553
Ogdru Jahad Amarr Hookers and Black Jack Flaming Hookers	Posted - 2007.07.03 01:25:00 - [113] Originally by: ian666 Edited by: ian666 on 28/06/2007 11:21:06 Edited by: ian666 on 28/06/2007 11:20:01 Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Originally by: LWMaverick Care to share your all-mighty absolution setup then? /Mav lets put it this way. My abso dont run on cap injectors. it runs perfectly. I find that if you run injectors you will die if the other guys tank dont break. so bottom line is. My abso will die to a nos ship with ease. my set up is. ( asumming i have a tackler. ) 6x heavy pulse lasers , medium nos 1x webber , x1 10mn ab , 1x cap recharger 2x mar reppers, 2x enam , 1x thermic membrane, 2x cpr. 2x rigs. 5x light drones. the above exact mods will not be given out. but pilots such as 50freefly knows how good my setup is. I have to agree here with DarkElf, that has to be one of the worse setups i've seen for an abso, where is your DPS? LOL Try something like this, High 6x Heavy Pulse, 1x Med Nos Med, 1x AB, 1x Cap inject, 1x Scram or Web, Lows, 3x heat Sinks, 2x EANM, 2x Med Reps Rigs, 1x Nano Pump, 1x Thermal this does fit, with some faction mods, i'm not saying what, just try it, + you will need maxed skills, inc Armor compensation's if you want some decent resistances. you have to be kidding.... you will cap out real fast. anytime you want to put THAT abso up vs mine say so! - :
DJ Ares	Posted - 2007.07.09 00:21:00 - [114] Mission Setup: High: 6x neut II's running Null 2x Med Nos II's (cheaper than Med diminishing) Med: AB II Shadow Serp or TC II 2x Cap Recharger II Low: DC II 1x Mag Stab II Meditation Med repper or T2 3x EANM Rigs: Capacitor control circuit Amour anti-explosive pump 5x Mission Specific Drones You'll very seldom miss with blasters, so a web is only really needed in frigate heavy missions and can very easily be fitted. Otherwise you'll be fine. should end up with at least 80%'s across the board and just shy of 500dmg repped per cycle.
Ares Helix Gallente NunyaBizzness Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 00:27:00 - [115] Mission Setup: High: 6x neut II's running Null 2x Med Nos II's (cheaper than Med diminishing) Med: AB II Shadow Serp or TC II 2x Cap Recharger II Low: DC II 1x Mag Stab II Meditation Med repper or T2 3x EANM Rigs: Capacitor control circuit Amour anti-explosive pump 5x Mission Specific Drones You'll very seldom miss with blasters, so a web is only really needed in frigate heavy missions and can very easily be fitted. Otherwise you'll be fine. should end up with at least 80%'s across the board and just shy of 500dmg repped per cycle.
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.07.09 01:53:00 - [116] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 09/07/2007 01:58:11 balls of steel setup: highs: 7x neutrons II with void m mids: the usual lows: med repper, rcu II, 4x magstab II rigs: hybrid rof rig + hybrid dmg rig drones: 5x hammerhead II = ~1200dps
Lore Isander Caldari Paisti	Posted - 2007.07.09 01:58:00 - [117] Edited by: Lore Isander on 09/07/2007 02:02:10 Originally by: LUH 3471 balls of steel setup: highs: 7x neutrons II with void m mids: the usual lows: med repper, explosive hardener, 4x magstab II rigs: hybrid rof rig + nano aux pump Clueless people who have no idea about stacking penalties ftw... That edited fit is even more worse than this one... --- How do I shot web?
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.07.09 01:59:00 - [118] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 09/07/2007 02:01:33 the 4th magstab has 26% eff. wihtout it the astarte woudlnt break the magical 1200dps and btw it is called balls of steel setup now u wanna contribute something to this thread?
Lore Isander Caldari Paisti	Posted - 2007.07.09 02:02:00 - [119] Originally by: LUH 3471 Edited by: LUH 3471 on 09/07/2007 01:59:59 the 4th magstab has 26% eff. wihtout it the astarte woudlnt break the magical 1200dps and btw it is called balls of steel setup Wanna know how much extra dps you get from that Rig? With 4 Mag Stabs? **** ALL! You are better off fitting 2nd nano pump and damage control instead of 4th mag stabs. --- How do I shot web?
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.07.09 02:03:00 - [120] if i wanna go solo or tank i take an eos this is balls of steel gang dmg dealer setup lol

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