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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.15 21:10:13 -
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Hey Guys
In match 14 between Together We Solo and Gone Critical, the Together We Solo team warped onto the field at 100km. The rules state that teams must warp in at a maximum of 50km.
In this case, the breach in the rules was not picked up by the referee, and the match played out with the Together We Solo team winning the match.
After review and discussion by the tournament team, we have decided to let the result of the match stand. We now have plans in place to improve the check for this in the tournament referee tools by the second weekend of play at latest.
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Globby
Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling CODE.
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Posted - 2015.08.15 21:53:15 -
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Just wanted to let you know, but if the warpin was 50km closer it is more than likely that the losers would have won, right? |
Talia Soucu
Janus Financial Group
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Posted - 2015.08.15 21:55:06 -
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So ... the team that breaks the rules wins the match and gets no penalties?
And here I thought CCP couldn't surprise me. |
Mizhir
Matari Exodus The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.15 21:55:08 -
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Gone Critical was atcually close to breaking a SNI which could have won them the match. The warpin certainly skewed it towards Together We Solo.
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Aebe Amraen
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.15 21:58:16 -
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This is a very unfortunate decision.
The rules are well established. For the sake of the integrity of the tournament, a team which breaks the rules should be punished, whether or not you believe it affected the outcome of the match--which it very well might have in this case.
Please reverse your stance and either count this as a loss for Together We Solo or disqualify them from the tournament entirely. |
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:03:24 -
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Wouldn't it be prudent to redo the match out of fairness? In the past a warp in violation like this would have put the team at 0 and possibly even a health penalty to the penalizing ships.
Wondering "what ifs" is not useful because that scenario didn't happen :) |
Skyler Hawk
Boars on Parade The Tuskers Co.
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:10:27 -
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Aebe Amraen wrote:This is a very unfortunate decision.
The rules are well established. For the sake of the integrity of the tournament, a team which breaks the rules should be punished, whether or not you believe it affected the outcome of the match--which it very well might have in this case.
Please reverse your stance and either count this as a loss for Together We Solo or disqualify them from the tournament entirely. I have to agree with this. |
Glasgow Dunlop
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:15:55 -
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Personally I would have the match replayed, but it's up to Logibro and his team how he wants it handled.
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Deck Cadelanne
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:18:31 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Hey Guys
In match 14 between Together We Solo and Gone Critical, the Together We Solo team warped onto the field at 100km. The rules state that teams must warp in at a maximum of 50km.
In this case, the breach in the rules was not picked up by the referee, and the match played out with the Together We Solo team winning the match.
After review and discussion by the tournament team, we have decided to let the result of the match stand. We now have plans in place to improve the check for this in the tournament referee tools by the second weekend of play at latest.
This is the wrong call.
Failing to enforce the rules in this tournament will encourage more cheating.
Using the excuse that "the ref didn't notice" makes it even worse.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
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handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:20:49 -
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What new hidden rules we learned in Day 1:
1. Teams can do whatever they want, as long as you are the first team doing it, you'll get off with a warning.
2. CCPs referees are so bad, they might aswel be blind or just not be in the arena system at all. Since they don't do what they're supposed to do incase they're supposed to do anything. (missing a warpin and deadspace mods where they aren't allowed is kinda dumb really). Being a volunteer, is not an excuse for doing a ****** job.
How do you want to get taken seriously as any sort of fair event with ruling like the ones we've seen today, both breaches where the teams faults and not the games faults?
This is a fun thread to reference people to when they ask dumb questions about EVE and Esports.
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Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:20:50 -
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I am disappointed in CCP's decision in this matter.
Not seeing why both teams can't have all their destroyed assets returned and the match re-run. Yes, it would take a bit of time. But not that much time.
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Aliventi
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
906
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:21:09 -
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Why not apply a point penalty to their next match? Let them use 95 out of 100 points. |
AgentHawk
The Exit Plan Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:30:02 -
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the TEST team will not stand for any of this bullshit in our matches
we literally practice YEAR ROUND for every AT with only ~2 months off out of the year
people have missed work, called in sick, missed weddings (it was an aunt's remarriage but still) so they can practice or play in the AT match
to have it end in this kind of slip up is just so wrong, and so disappointing, and so offensive to the SMALL community of players that put so much effort into a small aspect of the game that means so much to them
players pointed out the illegally fitted flagship players pointed out the stream overlay was cutting off the 12th player and not showing the full team players pointed out a team illegally warped to 100km
pay someone to make a god damn checklist ffs
50 ******* km is a lot more space than ANYONE is reasonably expecting to deal with, if it was the TEST team i would have been stirring so much **** in local |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:38:31 -
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Sad for the teams which put in the effort to make a great showing, but it looks like chances for a fair competition are already out of the windows for this years tournament. :(
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Hoodie Mafia
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:39:08 -
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I can do nothing but speak up against this decision. Mistakes will happen but you cannot allow unfair advantages for any team without at the very least applying a penalty to the offending team
Even better, force a rematch with the same comps at a proper warpin locations |
Mister Marram
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:39:27 -
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If the rules can be broken without consequence, then what is the point in having rules at all.
Since the winners won the match, it should be forfeit. If they had lost then the rule breaking gave them no advantage and so the result would stand.
If the winner is left as is, then it sets a dangerous precedent for future rule breaking. |
Transmaritanus
Exergy. Together We Solo
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:43:15 -
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Since neither side has actually weighed in yet, I'll post what we saw from our side:
- We were sitting at the start positions for a good 4-6 minutes before the match started. In this time, neither team nor GMs said anything about the ranges, which was 100km off.
- In the time we were sitting at the start position, an opposing Oneiros warped in at a bad angle, and was corrected by a GM. Again, nothing in local even mentioned warping in at an unfair advantage.
- 100km warp in would make a significant difference if we were in a kiting fleet; however we were clearly in a brawl fleet, as we barely moved from our start position.
- Nobody on either side died until everyone was on top of each other
Again, neither team said anything before the match started or after the match ended, we acted in good faith and the other team appeared to have believed so too. |
Ivory Kantenu
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:46:46 -
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As a fellow participant this year as well, I certainly cannot agree with this call on CCPs part.
We all hope you reconsider your decision on behalf of both teams, as you have basically given a greenlight to the team with the unfair advantage, and have basically punished the ones following the rules you yourselves put into play.
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Alex Rax
The Stormcrows Stella Nova
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:48:09 -
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"You can't break the rules, but they can!"
I can't help but say I'm disappointed in CCP for this decision, I thought the AT was supposed to be about the best players on a even footing but I guess I was wrong, it's about who can cheat the most and get away with it. |
Gideon Enderas
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:57:01 -
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This just encourages cheating. Not punishing people for infractions is complete trash. At this rate a team might as well use high grade implants and 6% hardwirings. If they lose them for some reason, it will be another case of "Oops, oh well. They lost them so that's punishment enough". |
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Braden Fanguard
Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:58:31 -
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Sorry CCP, but this is a bullshit ruling. They broke the rules and should be punished, not rewarded. Bad call. |
Tacia Andrean
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.15 23:03:32 -
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Transmaritanus wrote:
- 100km warp in would make a significant difference if we were in a kiting fleet; however we were clearly in a brawl fleet, as we barely moved from our start position.
I too usually warp my brawl comps in at 100km.
You barely moved from your start position because--based on your widow fit--you didn't have propmods of any kind. You didn't have an option of moving anywhere. You were, again based on your widow fit, using long-range weapons.
Calling Rattlesnake, 2x Scorpion NI, and Widow warped in at 100km with long-range weapons a brawling fleet isn't even a bad joke, it's just a straight up lie. |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2015.08.15 23:04:55 -
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You need to replay matches like this and build some time into the schedule to allow for it.
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Summer VonSturm
Senex Legio The OSS
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Posted - 2015.08.15 23:10:40 -
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Its rare I post on the forums, but this is an terrible, terrible choice. You simply cannot allow a team that has cheated, and won, to continue on in the tournament. How can you possibly then punish the next team caught cheating? At the very least, replay the match. As it stands, the whole integrity of the tourney is skewed badly. |
Le Mittani
SergalJerk Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.15 23:17:55 -
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I really didn't think my opinion of ccp could go any lower after that farce of a town hall meeting, and then here comes this. You let a team cheat, and win because of that cheating, and then not punish them. :ccp: strikes again |
AgentHawk
The Exit Plan Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.15 23:18:43 -
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IF BOTH PARTIES ARE FINE WITH THE OUTCOME THEN WHAT CAN WE DO?
I WAS NOT AWARE BOTH PARTIES DID NOT GIVE A **** ABOUT THE 50km DIFFERENCE
IN THE FUTURE, CCP you should let us KNOW that the parties are OK with this CLEARLY controversial ruling
to avoid posts like mine, and everyone elses, and all the reddit posts and my TEST alliance jabber pings |
Talia Soucu
Janus Financial Group
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Posted - 2015.08.15 23:20:43 -
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handige harrie wrote:What new hidden rules we learned in Day 1:
1. Teams can do whatever they want, as long as you are the first team doing it, you'll get off with a warning.
Yeah. I guess the next thing to do is try to smuggle in pirate implant sets, Marauders with a Bastion module, and T2 combat drones. Even if you get caught, not like anything bad will happen. |
Scrubwolfe
Taxing Solace
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Posted - 2015.08.15 23:22:44 -
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Welcome to AT XIII, the tournament where the rules don't matter and the points are made up. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.08.15 23:27:24 -
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.... Redo the Match...
Basically the easiest fix you can do.
Redo the match, or both teams get a buy into the next round (only other option since CCP ruled the team goes forward regardless).
Yaay!!!!
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Ryuuji Ibarazaki
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
11
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Posted - 2015.08.15 23:29:52 -
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git gud ccp |
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