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General Vachot
The Vendunari End of Life
14
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Posted - 2015.08.16 05:59:20 -
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I agree that a rematch as first match is best way to resolve this. Or at the very least if you don't plan to change the decision in any way then at leats award Gone critical 1 set of the BPC? |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
39499
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Posted - 2015.08.16 06:14:27 -
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General Vachot wrote:I agree that a rematch as first match is best way to resolve this. Or at the very least if you don't plan to change the decision in any way then at leats award Gone critical 1 set of the BPC? The only issue I have with a rematch is that it exposes another one of both teams doctrines and may leave one or both of the teams short when they fight just a couple of hours later, giving them limited choices against any bans that occur in the later fight against us.
That seems overly harsh on Gone Critical, who abided by the rules and don't deserve to be subject to a second fight for round one. If they lose the fight, they will end up right where they are now, but potentially without a doctrine they might otherwise be able to use.
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Jamir Von Lietuva
Shiva Nulli Secunda
28
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Posted - 2015.08.16 06:15:56 -
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This is simple, you cheat, you loose or even get kicked from the tourney. If you cheat you do not deserve a replay.
as a competitor tourney is hard as it is, now we have to not only play with the meta we have but question every match if they have crystals or slaves in, maybe halos, what if their cheating flagship does not die and we loose? This puts an unnecessary mental strain on participants and it's super simple to solve.
Cant follow rules - get REKT.
also i want my Flycatcher reimbursed |

Ospie
a-Losers
21
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Posted - 2015.08.16 06:21:50 -
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I also would like to see this ruling reversed. The match would have gone very differently had the warp-ins been legal, there shouldn't be any leniency towards breaking the rules - intentional or not. The AT is meant to A) Provide an event for the Eve community, B) Provide an opportunity for groups to put their best forwards to fight under 'fair / equal' conditions to determine the better team in each match, C) Showcase Eve as an MMO with a competitive, innovative player base to attract future players.
This decision insults A & B and shows Eve in a poor light. |

Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
908
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Posted - 2015.08.16 06:55:08 -
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Every year it's more stories like this.
No wonder people are losing interest. |

Ole Sukarala
Stardust Ltd. Advent of Fate
0
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Posted - 2015.08.16 07:09:05 -
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You cant possibly be serious about this and let that rule breaking go unpunished. Even if the rule breaking team had lost. a what-if is not needed here - a violation of rules needs to be sanctioned. Referee mistakes can happen but you have to fix it afterwards or nobody will take the rules serious anymore.
really bad start for ATXIII  |

Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
9139
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:15:44 -
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Ok we are going to bring a triage archon and see if CCP notices.
Make them rematch or take the losers bracket imo. Or have their 2 captains battle it out 1v1 battleships. |

Officer Nyota Uhura
379
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:18:36 -
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The level of childishness in this thread makes me all giddy. "Well now you gave PL the permission to drop their super fleet." No they didn't. "Now people can use 6% implants." No they can't. "Now you can drop a triage archon there." No you can't. One referee missed a call, that's that. In what sports a bad referee call leads to changing the rules? That's just dumb talk out of your ass.
I'd like to see a world cup soccer game re-played because the referee did a minor mistake. I'd like to see olympics ice hockey game result declared invalid because referee didn't notice a bad substitution at some point.
But please go on making yourselves look silly; your tears keep the rest of us fueled. |

lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:23:31 -
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Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:The level of childishness in this thread makes me all giddy. "Well now you gave PL the permission to drop their super fleet." No they didn't. "Now people can use 6% implants." No they can't. "Now you can drop a triage archon there." No you can't. One referee missed a call, that's that. In what sports a bad referee call leads to changing the rules? That's just dumb talk out of your ass.
I'd like to see a world cup soccer game re-played because the referee did a minor mistake. I'd like to see olympics ice hockey game result declared invalid because referee didn't notice a bad substitution at some point.
But please go on making yourselves look silly; your tears keep the rest of us fueled.
Except that it was two referees so far |

ChaeDoc II
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
115
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:25:59 -
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It's a nonsense ruling but we're not going to get CCP to change their mind, and they shouldn't just because people don't like it.
What should happen now though is that some kind of penalty should still be applied to Together We Solo, like a 10 point penalty for their next match. The referees should have spotted it but them not doesn't mean TWS should get away with it without consequence. |
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lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:32:46 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:. We now have plans in place to improve the check for this in the tournament referee tools by the second weekend of play at latest.
Can you clarify that there will be no checks in place for this sunday? |

Sgt Ocker
Military Bustards FUBAR.
695
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:34:25 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:General Vachot wrote:I agree that a rematch as first match is best way to resolve this. Or at the very least if you don't plan to change the decision in any way then at leats award Gone critical 1 set of the BPC? The only issue I have with a rematch is that it exposes another one of both teams doctrines and may leave one or both of the teams short when they fight just a couple of hours later, giving them limited choices against any bans that occur in the later fight against us. That seems overly harsh on Gone Critical, who abided by the rules and don't deserve to be subject to a second fight for round one. If they lose the fight, they will end up right where they are now, but potentially without a doctrine they might otherwise be able to use. At the end of the day, it's the team's responsibility to abide by the rules of the tournament. Even in the case where a referee misses something, that is only there as a check of everything. It's still up to the teams to play according to the rules. So I think it's a bit harsh on Gone Critical to almost penalise them for doing the right thing, while allowing Together We Solo the opportunity to get away rewarded for their breach of the rules. Simply fixed. The match would be a do-over. Same ships same team members - Just placed on the field at the right start positions.
In fact if either team are given the option to use another doctrine it could bias the outcome. If Gone Critical was going to win with the doctrine they chose, they have that same chance in a rematch.
CCP made a bad call here. The tournament has rules, they need to be adhered to or the whole competition becomes a farce.
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lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:38:07 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:General Vachot wrote:I agree that a rematch as first match is best way to resolve this. Or at the very least if you don't plan to change the decision in any way then at leats award Gone critical 1 set of the BPC? The only issue I have with a rematch is that it exposes another one of both teams doctrines and may leave one or both of the teams short when they fight just a couple of hours later, giving them limited choices against any bans that occur in the later fight against us. That seems overly harsh on Gone Critical, who abided by the rules and don't deserve to be subject to a second fight for round one. If they lose the fight, they will end up right where they are now, but potentially without a doctrine they might otherwise be able to use. At the end of the day, it's the team's responsibility to abide by the rules of the tournament. Even in the case where a referee misses something, that is only there as a check of everything. It's still up to the teams to play according to the rules. So I think it's a bit harsh on Gone Critical to almost penalise them for doing the right thing, while allowing Together We Solo the opportunity to get away rewarded for their breach of the rules. Simply fixed. The match would be a do-over. Same ships same team members - Just placed on the field at the right start positions. In fact if either team are given the option to use another doctrine it could bias the outcome. If Gone Critical was going to win with the doctrine they chose, they have that same chance in a rematch. CCP made a bad call here. The tournament has rules, they need to be adhered to or the whole competition becomes a farce.
Except both teams have probably analyzed their flying in that match and would now be way better prepared for the matchup, calling better primaries etc etc, so basically wouldn't be the same match anymore
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Xola Zuni
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
18
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:55:20 -
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Very bad call. Whether it was on purpose or not, it was a clear breach of rules.
It's not only that Gone Critical lost a match, they also lost 10 skins and their flagship.
At least a rematch (same comps) is due, I actually even think that Together We Solo deserves a forfeit loss as it seems like they did not inform CCP of their "mistake" before the match had started and were taking advantage from it.
With the double elimination system there is already enough room for second chances, as there will always be a losers bracket. So I do not see a single reason to be "nice" to rulebreakes. |

Tallardar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
13
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:56:22 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Every year it's more stories like this.
No wonder people are losing interest.
The past few years have shown CCP aren't interested in running the AT, and if that's the case why would the players bother if the people running it don't care?
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Ackaroth
Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium
5
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Posted - 2015.08.16 09:08:19 -
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Poor form. Here's to hoping this decision gets reversed. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
39500
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Posted - 2015.08.16 09:21:25 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Simply fixed. The match would be a do-over. Same ships same team members - Just placed on the field at the right start positions. If CCP could spawn the ships with the same fittings for any that were killed, then that could work.
Logistics aren't as simple as informing teams just a couple of hours out that a rematch is on. So if CCP have the mechanics available to spawn everything that was killed, ready to go, then this would work.
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gascanu
Bearing Srl.
236
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Posted - 2015.08.16 09:37:40 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Hey Guys
In match 14 between Together We Solo and Gone Critical, the Together We Solo team warped onto the field at 100km. The rules state that teams must warp in at a maximum of 50km.
In this case, the breach in the rules was not picked up by the referee, and the match played out with the Together We Solo team winning the match.
After review and discussion by the tournament team, we have decided to let the result of the match stand. We now have plans in place to improve the check for this in the tournament referee tools by the second weekend of play at latest.
...the words fail me... |

5pitf1re
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.08.16 10:18:25 -
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If I would be fielding an AT team I'd be boycotting the next matches until CCP reacts. |

Sgt Ocker
Military Bustards FUBAR.
695
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Posted - 2015.08.16 10:24:36 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:Simply fixed. The match would be a do-over. Same ships same team members - Just placed on the field at the right start positions. If CCP could spawn the ships with the same fittings for any that were killed, then that could work, putting aside the issue of one team breaking the rules and not having any consequence for that (whether it was deliberate or accidental, responsibility rests with the team, not the referees). Logistics aren't as simple as informing teams just a couple of hours out that a rematch is on. So if CCP have the mechanics available to spawn everything that was killed, ready to go, then this would work. CCP have the ability to refund a ship that is lost due to server outages or other events out of player control. Pretty sure they could spawn the ships that were lost during the original fight.
In fact it would be better if CCP spawned all ships involved on grid, so the respective pilot warps to it in his or her pod and boards it. This removes the chance of someone refitting a ship with knowledge from the previous fight of what they are facing. This is Eve, if you know exactly what you are facing in a coming fight, you fit to counter it.
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mallebrok silvestine
Jump Drive Appreciation Society Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2015.08.16 10:40:24 -
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You break the rules YOU LOOSE
It is
As Simple As That. |

Archeras Umangiar
Guardians of the Galaxy Holdings Guardians of the Galaxy.
16
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Posted - 2015.08.16 10:40:45 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Hey Guys
In match 14 between Together We Solo and Gone Critical, the Together We Solo team warped onto the field at 100km. The rules state that teams must warp in at a maximum of 50km.
In this case, the breach in the rules was not picked up by the referee, and the match played out with the Together We Solo team winning the match.
After review and discussion by the tournament team, we have decided to let the result of the match stand. We now have plans in place to improve the check for this in the tournament referee tools by the second weekend of play at latest.
i am the co-captain for Nihilists social club.
Can CCP start to take this tourny seriously?
1. The number of rule breaks that haven't been punished is ... scary; to say the least. 2. No duality (i guess you cant do anything about that, but maybe we could have got access to the 3rd test server?) or you could have had Jove space systems running and closed to other teams for the participants. i mean they where a found work around for that. 3. The fact that the first week isnt properly streamed by CCP itself kinda confirmed my accusation.
i dont mean it bad, but that is how it makes CCP look like with all those **** up's/missing things |

Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Spaceship Bebop
353
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Posted - 2015.08.16 11:05:04 -
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What a **** show.
"Those guys broke the rules and won, it's all good."
pew pew
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TrickyBlackSteel
Russia Caldari RUCA Emperor
27
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Posted - 2015.08.16 11:15:01 -
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just disqualify ,thats all,why bother.. |

Mai Khumm
Toronto EVE Online
679
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Posted - 2015.08.16 11:30:09 -
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Way to lower your standards!
*claps*
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
5629
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Posted - 2015.08.16 11:31:34 -
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This is an extremely disappointing ruling on CCP's part.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Brainiac Avada
Roaming Crusaders
0
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Posted - 2015.08.16 11:35:42 -
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Let the losing team decide if they want a rematch. If they do, it should be arranged, and the outcome should trump the standing ruling. If the current ruling stands, CCP will continue down this descending spiral they keep throwing their selves down, as being lazy and unwilling to listen to the community. After all, who makes you your money?
On a side note, this was the first tournament I've watched. And I must say, the coverage was horrible. In this day and age of gaming, with a game as big as Eve is, we need professional commentary. I watched Sirsqueebles' stream, they did the best with what they had, and it was great. But the ACTUAL stream was very poorly executed. |

Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
233
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Posted - 2015.08.16 11:47:36 -
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So uh, Jita monument? I'll bring the pitch forks. |

C' Luigi
Kumovi The G0dfathers
20
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Posted - 2015.08.16 11:47:46 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Hey Guys
In match 14 between Together We Solo and Gone Critical, the Together We Solo team warped onto the field at 100km. The rules state that teams must warp in at a maximum of 50km.
In this case, the breach in the rules was not picked up by the referee, and the match played out with the Together We Solo team winning the match.
After review and discussion by the tournament team, we have decided to let the result of the match stand. We now have plans in place to improve the check for this in the tournament referee tools by the second weekend of play at latest.
Buddy, you just wrote on behalf of all ccp , that you made a HUUUUUGE mistake on not seeing that one team made a hard rule violation, and on top of all that, that you are incompetent , you are letting it go just like that, another ignorant decision. I just wanna say, i dont have any interest of winning either of these two teams, i just hate the injustice. And that not just injustice, your now making the precedent, and a big space for mistakes on any other team in future, they can just break the rule and call for this specific case.
PUNISH THE RULE BREAKERS PERIOD!
If you dont have a solution for this disgrace, dont go to ppl and tell them how you letting someone who broke the rules to just go unpunished, just repeat the match.
People are laughing to you. |

gascanu
Bearing Srl.
236
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Posted - 2015.08.16 11:56:22 -
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QUESTION FOR CCP: what will happen if another team warp to the field at 100km? "by mistake" ofc |
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