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Feawen Adversity. Northern Coalition. 24	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:41:34 - [1] - Quote I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock. If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO. What say the general eve community?
Lex Arson Adversity. Northern Coalition. 403	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:42:15 - [2] - Quote reeeeee There's no use crying after every mistake, you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.
Troomoo Milk Adversity. Northern Coalition. 40	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:42:25 - [3] - Quote Feawen wrote: I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock. If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO. What say the general eve community? Im up for it
iFox Aeon Adversity. Northern Coalition. 11	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:42:59 - [4] - Quote I fully support this suggestion. +1 for a great member of this community.
Desudes Adversity. Northern Coalition. 442	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:43:02 - [5] - Quote couldn't you accomplish this by just removing supers and titans though? as a half measure to resetting Excuse me, but what the fck are you desu?*
S'totan Adversity. Northern Coalition. 53	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:43:04 - [6] - Quote You're regurgitating subversive devices...
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 9128	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:43:20 - [7] - Quote We already have a CAM thread going. Could you have at least saved this till tomorrow? Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Gordo Villa Gods and Kings 6	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:43:54 - [8] - Quote My senses are tingling. Hello.... is it me you're looking for?
Michael JD Adversity. Northern Coalition. 9	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:44:32 - [9] - Quote This idea is fantastic! Death to All Supers in one swing of the nerf bat.
Starkone Adversity. Northern Coalition. 0	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:44:34 - [10] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: We already have a CAM thread going. Could you have at least saved this till tomorrow? Mr Epeen GET OUT NORMIE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Feawen Adversity. Northern Coalition. 24	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:44:47 - [11] - Quote I shouldn't have linked this thread to my stupid corp who doesnt take anything serious, now my thread is ruined ugh
Niraia Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory. 329	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:44:53 - [12] - Quote Adversity should be reset! Niraia EVE Online Hold'Em
SenshiMaru Adversity. Northern Coalition. 41	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:45:03 - [13] - Quote Sounds like a controversial change that the majority of the playerbase would be opposed to because it would f**** everyone over. CCP Folly, get on it.
S'totan Adversity. Northern Coalition. 53	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:45:20 - [14] - Quote Feawen wrote: I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock. If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO. What say the general eve community? That's easy for you to say when your sipping on your morning coffee. Meanwhile people over here and getting their ******* heads chopped off like its damn 1500!
Mina Sebiestar Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate 934	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:51:17 - [15] - Quote No i wouldn't be able to make huge enough bucket for all the salt. Otherwise yes.
Lex Arson Adversity. Northern Coalition. 404	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:51:57 - [16] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/JVOp1Ys.png There's no use crying after every mistake, you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.
Feawen Adversity. Northern Coalition. 26	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:52:17 - [17] - Quote Mina Sebiestar wrote: No i wouldn't be able to make huge enough bucket for all the salt. Otherwise yes. I mean people would be mad obvoiusly but I dont think it would be bad for the game, right?
Desudes Adversity. Northern Coalition. 442	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:55:38 - [18] - Quote Feawen wrote: Mina Sebiestar wrote: No i wouldn't be able to make huge enough bucket for all the salt. Otherwise yes. I mean people would be mad obvoiusly but I dont think it would be bad for the game, right? so what's more important, the health of the game, or a few "elite" pilots? +1 to this idea Excuse me, but what the fck are you desu?*
Feawen Adversity. Northern Coalition. 26	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:56:40 - [19] - Quote Desudes wrote: Feawen wrote: Mina Sebiestar wrote: No i wouldn't be able to make huge enough bucket for all the salt. Otherwise yes. I mean people would be mad obvoiusly but I dont think it would be bad for the game, right? so what's more important, the health of the game, or a few "elite" pilots? +1 to this idea thanks man i knew someone would agree
Scalding Holland Arcadia Group 11	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:57:07 - [20] - Quote I think this would be incredibly fun if it happened. It would be a bit like the time BOB was disbanded by the goonies, everyone and their dogs rushing towards Delve to take it. No-one knowing that the outcome would be. It would seriously change 0.0 politics. But... after a few weeks I would grow tired of training the same basic skills again so would probably just quit.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12613	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:57:12 - [21] - Quote As always when these threads pop up, nope. However I would support a US server for US and Pacific players. Conn problems have always been an issue for many players in these parts. It would have been far more lucrative than making that server for China. Will they ever? Doubt it, but more likely than to ever just wipe the existing servers. Why would I doubt CCP would ever make another server? Look at the other games they have made or are making, on limited platforms for a limited player-base. If they put one in the US, it would make EVE less limiting, so won't happen no matter the 1 server marketing PR which they really abandoned when making the Chinese server. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Xackattack Avianson You are a Pirate 0	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:59:30 - [22] - Quote Yes. Reset right away! Reset skillpoints too!
Feawen Adversity. Northern Coalition. 26	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:00:21 - [23] - Quote Webvan wrote: As always when these threads pop up, nope. However I would support a US server for US and Pacific players. Conn problems have always been an issue for many players in these parts. It would have been far more lucrative than making that server for China. Will they ever? Doubt it, but more likely than to ever just wipe the existing servers. Why would I doubt CCP would ever make another server? Look at the other games they have made or are making, on limited platforms for a limited player-base. If they put one in the US, it would make EVE less limiting, so won't happen no matter the 1 server marketing PR which they really abandoned when making the Chinese server. wouldn't segregating the game make it even more dead though? isn't that an issue we deal with now? i feel like if we reset the server people would be more willing to head out of high sec, and the population outside of highsec would be much more healthy until we hit a plateau again in (what, 10 ) years?
Feawen Adversity. Northern Coalition. 26	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:01:16 - [24] - Quote Xackattack Avianson wrote: Yes. Reset right away! Reset skillpoints too! thats actually an important distinction what would happen if you did a reset of skillpoints vs assets??
Xackattack Avianson You are a Pirate 0	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:04:07 - [25] - Quote Feawen wrote: Xackattack Avianson wrote: Yes. Reset right away! Reset skillpoints too! thats actually an important distinction what would happen if you did a reset of skillpoints vs assets?? Reset everything! Skillpoints, assets, standings, security status, buy/sell orders, everything! Even reset the trial to 14 days! Equal ground is going to be fun on the bun!
iFox Aeon Adversity. Northern Coalition. 11	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:06:30 - [26] - Quote Lex Arson wrote: http://i.imgur.com/JVOp1Ys.png There's some irony in this link...
Feawen Adversity. Northern Coalition. 26	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:08:38 - [27] - Quote iFox Aeon wrote: Lex Arson wrote: http://i.imgur.com/JVOp1Ys.png There's some irony in this link... haha lol feawen likes this
Allawa Phantom Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation 20	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:11:23 - [28] - Quote yes
Hengle Teron Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate 56631	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:11:43 - [29] - Quote
bootmanj Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 3	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:12:52 - [30] - Quote Best solution to fozzie sov ive seen to date!
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12613	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:13:38 - [31] - Quote Feawen wrote: wouldn't segregating the game make it even more dead though? isn't that an issue we deal with now? EVE is DyingGäó ? The server is already fractured, it's not really one server and hasn't been that way for years. A lot of US players don't play due to the distance issues, it can be really bad at times. US time zones PCU is low, it all peaks Europe time. Europe would have the same issues trying to connect to a US/Pacific server. Many in the US are well invested in the London server already, so likely PCU there would not take much of a hit, especially during the regular peak times. BTW, how come I'm getting the feeling this thread is padded with agreeing alts hehe But yeah, some would play the server since it being a fresh server, though the years of investment on the existing server would keep most on the London server. But overall between the two servers, subscriptions would increase. But like I said, doubt they would ever do it. A wipe would never happen though, CCP could loose a lot of accounts. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Divine Entervention Warriors Gaming Corporation Imperium Galactic Empire 578	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:13:49 - [32] - Quote it certainly would be fair. But as demonstrated before and sure to be demonstrated after, No one in this game wants anything to be fair. They only want the advantage for themselves. Good luck trying to convince an incredibly selfish community to do anything Just.
Scalding Holland Arcadia Group 12	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:19:02 - [33] - Quote Webvan wrote: As always when these threads pop up, nope. However I would support a US server for US and Pacific players. Conn problems have always been an issue for many players in these parts. It would have been far more lucrative than making that server for China. Will they ever? Doubt it, but more likely than to ever just wipe the existing servers. Why would I doubt CCP would ever make another server? Look at the other games they have made or are making, on limited platforms for a limited player-base. If they put one in the US, it would make EVE less limiting, so won't happen no matter the 1 server marketing PR which they really abandoned when making the Chinese server. Another server is a terrible idea. What makes eve is that we are all together.
Cathays GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:20:58 - [34] - Quote Whilst we are at it re-roll to the Red Moon Rising patch; CCPs last great update. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Red_Moon_Rising
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12613	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:27:03 - [35] - Quote Scalding Holland wrote: Another server is a terrible idea. What makes eve is that we are all together. That's hype, especially since we are not all together. I've already mentioned this a couple times. Serenity was a terrible idea, at least for the 1 server hype. Increasing subscriptions and making money is always a good idea. But won't happen. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:32:05 - [36] - Quote How about: NO? Webvan wrote: However I would support a US server for US and Pacific players. Conn problems have always been an issue for many players in these parts. I love hearing Americans complain about lag. You don't know what lag is until you've played on a crappy, Outback Australian internet link. Seriously, cry me a river. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
Remiel Pollard Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 6903	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:36:14 - [37] - Quote NCDot sperging up the forums begging for a reset because they've lost too many capitals to recover? Imma vote no, because even with a reset, NC would still suck and fail badly. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 792	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:36:41 - [38] - Quote Am I in the middle of a forum CTA or something? Even the backgrounds of your space barbies are the same. Quick edit(******* laptop). Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Desudes Adversity. Northern Coalition. 444	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:38:31 - [39] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: NCDot sperging up the forums begging for a reset because they've lost too many capitals to recover? Imma vote no, because even with a reset, NC would still suck and fail badly. so if you don't like us, and you think you are correct, shouldn't you vote yes ? Excuse me, but what the fck are you desu?*
Kasken Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn 83	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:40:43 - [40] - Quote It will never happen. A huge chunk of the older player base will quit then. I spent a decade building my SP, assets, and what I have. It gets reset I am gone. This isn't the type of game you just "reroll a new toon" and grind it up. A substantial chunk of players would be done with game if that happened, and I highly doubt CCP has any desire to reset all things. Ive spent years training skills, even when AFK from game to keep it going so when I returned I could do more than when i left.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12613	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:48:18 - [41] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: How about: NO? Webvan wrote: However I would support a US server for US and Pacific players. Conn problems have always been an issue for many players in these parts. I love hearing Americans complain about lag. You don't know what lag is until you've played on a crappy, Outback Australian internet link. Seriously, cry me a river. Why, you crying, bro? Don't cryyyy, bro it'll be alright I've played on Aussie servers, and a lot of Aussies play on US/West Coast server, PVP too. It's why I mentioned US/Pacific. It's a hell of a lot better idea than wiping the London server, which would cause a lot of long time players to walk away from EVE for good. Usually though, these suggestion seem to come from people bored with WoW and see EVE as a game they are way behind on so want it wiped for their own enjoyment, at least until the next WoW expansion when they become less bored anyway. edit: or maybe in this case NC getting whooped as suggested by the CODE guy +1 I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Le Mittani SergalJerk Test Alliance Please Ignore 15	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:49:16 - [42] - Quote Yeah no way do I want to spend the months of training basic skills again. The assets might not be as bad
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25712	Posted - 2015.08.19 02:10:10 - [43] - Quote It wouldn't actually change anything, except making everyone obsess over the skill queues for a year or so. So that would be a lot of annoyance for next to zero gain. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Remiel Pollard Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 6904	Posted - 2015.08.19 02:35:18 - [44] - Quote Desudes wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: NCDot sperging up the forums begging for a reset because they've lost too many capitals to recover? Imma vote no, because even with a reset, NC would still suck and fail badly. so if you don't like us, and you think you are correct, shouldn't you vote yes ? I don't like or dislike you at all, I am completely impartial to NCDot. I'm just remembering the epic beatdown we gave you in Khanid lowsec with half your numbers ^_^ GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
SenshiMaru Adversity. Northern Coalition. 41	Posted - 2015.08.19 02:37:07 - [45] - Quote bootmanj wrote: Best solution to folly sov ive seen to date! FTFY GÖÑ
Azda Ja Green Skull LLC 4260	Posted - 2015.08.19 02:50:41 - [46] - Quote Whine whine whine. Whine. Whine whine, whine. Whine whine whine whine; whine whine. Whine whine: Whine. Whine whine. Whine whine whine. WHINE! Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting. Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2015.08.19 02:55:26 - [47] - Quote Webvan wrote: I've played on Aussie servers, and a lot of Aussies play on US/West Coast server, PVP too. It's why I mentioned US/Pacific. Yes, a lot of Aussies play on US based servers, mostly because we have very few dedicated games servers in Australia that aren't Counter Strike or Call of Duty. And again, we lag on those US servers horribly compared to the lag you get. We just learn to deal with it. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6811	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:09:54 - [48] - Quote Webvan wrote: edit: or maybe in this case NC getting whooped as suggested by the CODE guy +1 I mean looki, hardly ever see NC post in GD, then suddenly a bunch of them into a thread agreeing with one another on a reset. NC just get exterminated or something? Eh, did something happen with that coalition that existed to destroy us Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 6263	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:29:32 - [49] - Quote ISD DB doesn't like this. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12613	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:35:09 - [50] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: Webvan wrote: I've played on Aussie servers, and a lot of Aussies play on US/West Coast server, PVP too. It's why I mentioned US/Pacific. Yes, a lot of Aussies play on US based servers, mostly because we have very few dedicated games servers in Australia that aren't Counter Strike or Call of Duty. And again, we lag on those US servers horribly compared to the lag you get. We just learn to deal with it. hmmm... I don't know about that Mr. forum alt. I use to do really well even on dial-up to AUS servers, yes haha mostly playing CS. As for lately, I played a bit of GW2 at launch (since I played GW1) which has it's server in California, and there are a ton of people playing from Australia. A couple in our guild (now deceased guild of course as is the game) and really had no big issues with the server, nothing more than the rest of us had. We'd WvW a lot, they always kept up, maybe they lied and were not really from AUS? Our Pac connections are usually OK, just like I played UO on the Pac server, lots of Australians among the rest. As for myself, I'm not complaining if that's how you are taking it, but I know a lot of people won't deal with it, especially in a pvp setting. But for some really odd reason, CCP puts a server in China breaking their 1 server thingy, while the money would seem to be in US/Pac. I just see it as a good business move, or would have been, certainly better than a server wipe, Mr. Alt. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 2428	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:42:13 - [51] - Quote No, it shouldn't be reset. But I would like the new stargates to be limited to pods to prevent asset transfer to the new space. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Leonardo Adami Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 13	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:59:11 - [52] - Quote Heck ya full reset I'm down for this. CCP get on this asap.
Panthe3 Black The Branded Few Test Alliance Please Ignore 23	Posted - 2015.08.19 04:00:46 - [53] - Quote lets do it. im ready
NovaCat13 Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2015.08.19 04:18:25 - [54] - Quote Webvan wrote: Scalding Holland wrote: Another server is a terrible idea. What makes eve is that we are all together. That's hype, especially since we are not all together. I've already mentioned this a couple times. Serenity was a terrible idea, at least for the 1 server hype. Increasing subscriptions and making money is always a good idea. But won't happen. Doesn't Serenity exist solely because of politics, not because CCP had no desire to keep the 1 server thing going?
Davis TetrisKing The Vendunari End of Life 101	Posted - 2015.08.19 05:28:50 - [55] - Quote NovaCat13 wrote: Webvan wrote: Scalding Holland wrote: Another server is a terrible idea. What makes eve is that we are all together. That's hype, especially since we are not all together. I've already mentioned this a couple times. Serenity was a terrible idea, at least for the 1 server hype. Increasing subscriptions and making money is always a good idea. But won't happen. Doesn't Serenity exist solely because of politics, not because CCP had no desire to keep the 1 server thing going? This. China pretty much don't let foreign companies do anything in their country without a Chinese based sponsor/front. Everyone in China has to go through the Chinese version of the company for political/tax reasons, so for games this means they have their own servers. This is also roughly the same reason why Google, Facebook and a whole range of other common online businesses are blocked in China. Pretty sure CCP would love to have China join the rest of TQ but just can't for legal reasons in some regions (ie political reasons). As an AU player I'd love to see how it would change up the TZ if we had China join TQ.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12616	Posted - 2015.08.19 05:46:42 - [56] - Quote NovaCat13 wrote: Doesn't Serenity exist solely because of politics, not because CCP had no desire to keep the 1 server thing going? And that's a good business decision somehow? Like I said, CCP seems to go out of the way to hit the small dysfunctional markets with little return on their games (e.g ps3, oculus etc). This is why it never happened, some kind of odd business logic. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Misunderstood Genius Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 100	Posted - 2015.08.19 06:07:54 - [57] - Quote GOOD MORNING, FORUM WHINERS UNITE!
Snowmann Arrow Industries 38	Posted - 2015.08.19 08:32:11 - [58] - Quote Reset assets and isk, maybe. Reset skill points, bad idea. Note: Reset all skills may be fine, but not skill points.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6574	Posted - 2015.08.19 08:41:04 - [59] - Quote It would be a bad idea regardless. In no version of a reset does the population of the server go up. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 796	Posted - 2015.08.19 08:41:28 - [60] - Quote Webvan wrote: I mean looki, hardly ever see NC post in GD, then suddenly a bunch of them into a thread agreeing with one another on a reset. NC just get exterminated or something? I'm very much insulted! Im going +1 on this just to spite you!
Don Purple KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1281	Posted - 2015.08.19 08:48:23 - [61] - Quote I personally would still play but how is a reset fair to people that may have invested so much of their lives into the game? Me being ok with it may be skewed becaise I frequently start over just to meet and or steal from new people. I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
Divine Entervention Warriors Gaming Corporation Imperium Galactic Empire 579	Posted - 2015.08.19 08:50:24 - [62] - Quote Don Purple wrote: I personally would still play but how is a reset fair to people that may have invested so much of their lives into the game? Me being ok with it may be skewed becaise I frequently start over just to meet and or steal from new people. They got to enjoy that time they spent.
Dominique Vasilkovsky BFG Tech 304	Posted - 2015.08.19 09:00:02 - [63] - Quote Please reset EVE, I can then quit for good and be done with it. Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard Once known as: Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
Presidente Gallente Dark-Rising 187	Posted - 2015.08.19 09:03:38 - [64] - Quote Can CCP please reset this rediculous discussion? I had a blast reading ... but now it's not funny anymore.
Brutus Utama Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance 55	Posted - 2015.08.19 09:44:35 - [65] - Quote I agree a reset would be a good idea for the game...
Leo Lennelluc University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.08.19 09:45:20 - [66] - Quote +1
Garr Gateway Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1	Posted - 2015.08.19 09:52:47 - [67] - Quote No.
Shallanna Yassavi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2015.08.19 09:58:44 - [68] - Quote Best April Fools' Joke Ever? A signature :o
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 794	Posted - 2015.08.19 10:13:26 - [69] - Quote Yarda Black wrote: Webvan wrote: I mean looki, hardly ever see NC post in GD, then suddenly a bunch of them into a thread agreeing with one another on a reset. NC just get exterminated or something? I'm very much insulted! Im going +1 on this just to spite you! And then there's this special snowflake in a non-doctrine background. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 82	Posted - 2015.08.19 10:56:29 - [70] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: How about: NO? Webvan wrote: However I would support a US server for US and Pacific players. Conn problems have always been an issue for many players in these parts. I love hearing Americans complain about lag. You don't know what lag is until you've played on a crappy, Outback Australian internet link. Seriously, cry me a river. Is that what it was. I was trying to figure out the causes of that loooooong extra 20 sec it takes for the client to load up. Is it really a disadvantage playing eve from the US?
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 82	Posted - 2015.08.19 10:57:41 - [71] - Quote Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote: Please reset EVE, I can then quit for good and be done with it. LOL
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us 48	Posted - 2015.08.19 11:35:38 - [72] - Quote Posting in another OMGALLTHEVETSHAVEALLTHECOOLSTUFFZI'MTOLAZYTOWORKFOR thread!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! No...
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 969	Posted - 2015.08.19 11:36:58 - [73] - Quote Million ISK PLEX? no thanks. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide
Presidente Gallente Dark-Rising 187	Posted - 2015.08.19 11:44:13 - [74] - Quote Finally a lame and obvious try of a CCPputsch by crying noobs united. Waiting for lock ...
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1444	Posted - 2015.08.19 12:06:54 - [75] - Quote Webvan wrote: Mephiztopheleze wrote: Webvan wrote: I've played on Aussie servers, and a lot of Aussies play on US/West Coast server, PVP too. It's why I mentioned US/Pacific. Yes, a lot of Aussies play on US based servers, mostly because we have very few dedicated games servers in Australia that aren't Counter Strike or Call of Duty. And again, we lag on those US servers horribly compared to the lag you get. We just learn to deal with it. hmmm... I don't know about that Mr. forum alt. I use to do really well even on dial-up to AUS servers, yes haha mostly playing CS. As for lately, I played a bit of GW2 at launch (since I played GW1) which has it's server in California, and there are a ton of people playing from Australia. A couple in our guild (now deceased guild of course as is the game) and really had no big issues with the server, nothing more than the rest of us had. We'd WvW a lot, they always kept up, maybe they lied and were not really from AUS? Our Pac connections are usually OK, just like I played UO on the Pac server, lots of Australians among the rest. As for myself, I'm not complaining if that's how you are taking it, but I know a lot of people won't deal with it, especially in a pvp setting. But for some really odd reason, CCP puts a server in China breaking their 1 server thingy, while the money would seem to be in US/Pac. I just see it as a good business move, or would have been, certainly better than a server wipe, Mr. Alt. I always suspected the real reason behind the seperate Chinese server was to isolate the gold farming. As for Aussie internet, if people are silly enough to vote in a government that believes you can get good internet over fencing wire strung through the gum trees and that only hackers and pirates have a need for fast internet anyway they deserve what they get :D
Tykonderoga FinFleet Northern Coalition. 58	Posted - 2015.08.19 12:21:16 - [76] - Quote Shut up, Faewen, and go back to trolling our forums.
Feawen Adversity. Northern Coalition. 33	Posted - 2015.08.19 12:22:11 - [77] - Quote Presidente Gallente wrote: Finally a lame and obvious try of a CCPputsch by crying noobs united. Waiting for lock ... this is a serious topic, if you could please respond with an opinion rather than a stupid rant that would be appreciated
Tykonderoga FinFleet Northern Coalition. 59	Posted - 2015.08.19 12:27:07 - [78] - Quote Let's just be honest. We pay in time or money to be miserable in this shite game that was great once..
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12649	Posted - 2015.08.19 12:28:56 - [79] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: I always suspected the real reason behind the seperate Chinese server was to isolate the gold farming haha too true, has crossed my mind. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 314	Posted - 2015.08.19 12:29:40 - [80] - Quote Feawen wrote: I shouldn't have linked this thread to my stupid corp who doesnt take anything serious, now my thread is ruined ugh That is not where you went wrong. Not even close.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2112	Posted - 2015.08.19 12:29:52 - [81] - Quote Yarda Black wrote: Webvan wrote: I mean looki, hardly ever see NC post in GD, then suddenly a bunch of them into a thread agreeing with one another on a reset. NC just get exterminated or something? I'm very much insulted! Im going +1 on this just to spite you! Still kind of have to agree seeing that many NC. poster one after another looked like some kind of forum CTA. It didn't last for enough page to really be one IMO but odd none the less.
Akrasjel Lanate Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1807	Posted - 2015.08.19 12:38:09 - [82] - Quote You only reset the game... but not the players mentality/knowledge about the game. Akrasjel Lanate Member of Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance Citizen of Solitude
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12651	Posted - 2015.08.19 12:46:38 - [83] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: You only reset the game... but not the players mentality/knowledge about the game. Well that's where mass quantities of alcohol comes into use, I do it pretty often to "reset the game". See? Problem easily solved. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Judge Ment BLK Industries 3	Posted - 2015.08.19 13:53:57 - [84] - Quote In the beginning (NOWAY IN HELL SHOULD THIS GAME BE RESET) (TO MANY TEARS)
Judge Ment BLK Industries 3	Posted - 2015.08.19 13:56:37 - [85] - Quote Only if they give out T2 BP to people who actually play this game ?
Arla Sarain 604	Posted - 2015.08.19 14:08:43 - [86] - Quote Best idea in a decade. Why hasn't CCP thought of this?
Feawen Adversity. Northern Coalition. 33	Posted - 2015.08.19 14:18:06 - [87] - Quote The reason my alliance continues to post here is because I mistakenly talked to them about a great idea I had posted to the eve forums. Sorry for the confusion.
Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 134	Posted - 2015.08.19 14:28:28 - [88] - Quote ....... , No thank you EVEBoard ...Just over 26million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
Presidente Gallente Dark-Rising 187	Posted - 2015.08.19 14:34:36 - [89] - Quote Feawen wrote: I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock. If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO. What say the general eve community? What the EVE community says about this doesn't count. What CCP thinks about this doesn't really need Visionary Level 5.
Presidente Gallente Dark-Rising 187	Posted - 2015.08.19 14:38:56 - [90] - Quote Arla Sarain wrote: Best idea in a decade. Why hasn't CCP thought of this? Because the effort to convince their subscribers to reset everything they played years for seems to end up in a shitstorm and closing down the servers. :-D
Misunderstood Genius Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 100	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:28:08 - [91] - Quote Panthe3 Black wrote: lets do it. im ready ... said a 2 years old toon.
Misunderstood Genius Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 100	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:32:04 - [92] - Quote Shallanna Yassavi wrote: Best April Fools' Joke Ever? Let's reset the whole world because I don't like it and I am not part of the elite. Do Obama and Putin have some kind of EARTH-Online forums?
Freya Sertan Et Liberate Vos De Deus 751	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:48:32 - [93] - Quote Feawen wrote: I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock. If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO. What say the general eve community? Is this because of that supposed corp theft? New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face. Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Delightful Delicacy School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 6	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:57:35 - [94] - Quote It may actually be agood idea. If EVE was reset it would get huge press coverage, and a lot of new players may be encouraged to start playing. It would also be a good way to get rid of all of those outposts in nullsec and begin the game fresh with citadels and an empty null to conquer for various groups. Outposts should have been destructable from the beginning; now to fix the mess a reset to the beginning would be a good solution. I'll lose a lot of stuff if they reset it, but then so will everyone else. If you built stuff up once you can do it again and do it better if you choose.
Algarion Getz Aideron Corp 52	Posted - 2015.08.19 16:35:14 - [95] - Quote Feawen wrote: I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock. If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO. What say the general eve community? Are you a politician? Because thats the laziest and most narrow-minded and most superficial solution i can think of for EVEs problems. Thats even worse than the "treating symptoms" approach. You are basically saying this: problem: the "endgame" content has flaws and is not working well solution: reset the game every few years so that no one reaches the endgame
Lazy Eagle The Goat Farm 109	Posted - 2015.08.19 17:49:51 - [96] - Quote Posting in this honey pot thread.
Harrison Tato Immortalis Fratres Vacui Legio immortales CXCI 476	Posted - 2015.08.19 19:07:42 - [97] - Quote Do it CCP. I double dog dare ya!
Karl Jerr Herzack Unit 111	Posted - 2015.08.19 19:14:02 - [98] - Quote Yeah, a WoD style reset... doh
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8274	Posted - 2015.08.19 19:17:18 - [99] - Quote Feawan should be reset [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
DaReaper Net 7 2494	Posted - 2015.08.19 19:47:36 - [100] - Quote tl;dr the only way i would be ok with a rest of eve is if it was via an EVE2. As in they were behind the scenes doing a complete rewrite in a different engine with new graphics, mechanics, and the like. and they closed EVE and started EVE2 fresh. But it would have to be a totally different game. Because i honestly like the history and ups and down of the story lines in eve and find a reset to be stupid. I don;t know about you, but when i go work for a company, i don;t complain that they guy who started there 10 years before me makes more money then i do and is in a higher position then i am. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Divine Entervention Warriors Gaming Corporation Imperium Galactic Empire 579	Posted - 2015.08.19 19:48:35 - [101] - Quote There shall be no reset. You **** it up, now you get to live in your filth. Maybe if you'd taken better care of it, you wouldn't be asking CCP to undo all the harm you've done.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12670	Posted - 2015.08.19 21:08:28 - [102] - Quote DaReaper wrote: the only way i would be ok with a rest of eve is if it was via an EVE2. An f2p contractually exclusive to the mac for the first year with maybe someday a port to PC, PS3 or special android derivative + full VR touch sensitive suit for WiS2? nothx I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7019	Posted - 2015.08.19 21:40:54 - [103] - Quote No need to reset the game. Just make all resources finite and up the salvage from dead supers enough that ships can be built from them. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Nakito Kobara Yamagata Syndicate Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 34	Posted - 2015.08.19 21:45:50 - [104] - Quote NO! Yamagata Syndicate - Caldari State FW, PvE, PvP. Join today!
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance 282	Posted - 2015.08.19 22:32:15 - [105] - Quote Give all ships a 2-year max lifespan, starting the first time they're assembled. If players won't blow each other up, game mechanics need to take a bigger bite out of the existing stockpile.
Abraham Kennedy Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.08.19 22:44:47 - [106] - Quote What a funny environment forums are. In one thread, people post changes to make it so the top thugs have easier access to the lower skilled to kill and this post wants to wipe out the top thugs and make them restart sort of. Funny viewpoints both.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6813	Posted - 2015.08.19 23:19:04 - [107] - Quote AkJon Ferguson wrote: If players won't blow each other up, game mechanics need to take a bigger bite out of the existing stockpile. Yeah, game mechanics will do it for us Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
Aurure Krautfleet Goonswarm Federation 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 12:55:26 - [108] - Quote Resetting is not an option. But the thread still has potential! With all the knowledge anchored in the playerbase right now, it would be interesting to hear what people would choose as an income source IF a reset happened. What skillpaths would be rushed, which pve activities would see most frequent use, what steategic decissions are made in order to secure the biggest share of the pie. If you can point out the good opportunities, you automatically point at things that maybe need to be balanced.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2212	Posted - 2015.08.20 13:41:33 - [109] - Quote I would quit. A full reset would mean not even having the ISK to play skill queues online for a year or two. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2114	Posted - 2015.08.20 13:52:47 - [110] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: No need to reset the game. Just make all resources finite and up the salvage from dead supers enough that ships can be built from them. This game will be fun as **** when we run out of ressources... Oh I know, add more new systems because the current ones aren't empty enough anyway.
Maradusa Macarthy Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 14:08:34 - [111] - Quote AkJon Ferguson wrote: Give all ships a 2-year max lifespan, starting the first time they're assembled. If players won't blow each other up, game mechanics need to take a bigger bite out of the existing stockpile. One bad idea after another in this thread, NO! I like seeing my stockpiles of ships everytime I dock in my home stations, they're MINE, all mine and you can't touch them, EVER!
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12156	Posted - 2015.08.20 14:17:57 - [112] - Quote I think there is a singularity between people who believe a reset will 'help' them (or the situation in general) and things like Fozzie sov (that's supposed to "open up" opportunities for the previously disenfranchised "small guy"and other changes CCP has made or wanted to make. Some people have the idea that "I want to do things, but I can't because of this unfairness, if only this injustice didn't exist, I would shine!" lol. What really happens is that when you remove all these 'barriers' you find the same people who succeeded in the past end up succeeding again (because success is a part of who they are and how they think) and the people who failed in the past (and blamed it on the barriers) keep failing. This is why CCPs attempts to "open up the game" have failed, the kind of person who will continue to play EVE past the trial would have continued under almost any circumstances, people who quit would have quit anyway. I actually saw this happen in real life, a guy working for my organization claimed that a few policies we had were all that was holding him back. So he ends up working for another organization that doesn't have the same restrictions....and still hasn't made any progress (and is now blaming it on a new set of conditions...conditions that didn't exist in the original organization lol). In the exact same time frame I've been promoted twice, because the things that guy thought were barriers , weren't lol btw The environment and circumstances matter sure, but at the end of the day, whether one experiences success or failure is fundamentally internal, not external. A Reset of EVE Online would just be confirmation of the fact that some people suck at gaming and others don't. We already know this lol.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2212	Posted - 2015.08.20 15:32:23 - [113] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: ... The environment and circumstances matter sure, but at the end of the day, whether one experiences success or failure is fundamentally internal, not external. A Reset of EVE Online would just be confirmation of the fact that some people suck at gaming and others don't. We already know this lol. Why haven't you tried to form your own cult yet? CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Her Majesty Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.08.20 16:09:00 - [114] - Quote I think there should be more and more meaningful choices in the game, not less. The hate between HiSec and Null players is a great driving factor in the game. Why not seperate it a bit more to drive that? Imagine the more sov your alliance holds, the bigger of an actual empire you become in EvE. I mean you go out there leaving your former empire masters to go out on your own. You have absollutely no contracts with CONCORD for protection. At some point you should be seen as a threat by the old 4 empires. Make it so with increasing sov comes increased gain in your space, like triple or quadruple what we have now (lore wise you could argue the little pirate patrolling done in null to keep things semi in check are stopped and pirates go berzerk in your space, you get invaded by Drifters, etc...). But also start restricting those people from HiSec (no more gateguns for you in low, Navy starts shooting at you on sight, at goon level empires you will get instaconcordokened in jita). Bettering null infrastructure should go hand in hand with restricting the respective safety in hi. Big empires should strife to have their own market hubs. This would open up a lot of infrastructure to attack, but only once you got big enough to handle that. Smuggling goods from hisec tradehubs would become a profession (of alts ofc (but those alts would not be in alliance and thus cant help in fozziesov), but also people that take it as a job).
Jenshae Chiroptera 2213	Posted - 2015.08.20 16:17:40 - [115] - Quote Her Majesty wrote: ... Bettering null infrastructure should go hand in hand with restricting the respective safety in hi. .... Where does Providence that sees itself as an extension of the Amarr empire fit into your plan? CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12156	Posted - 2015.08.20 16:30:07 - [116] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... The environment and circumstances matter sure, but at the end of the day, whether one experiences success or failure is fundamentally internal, not external. A Reset of EVE Online would just be confirmation of the fact that some people suck at gaming and others don't. We already know this lol. Why haven't you tried to form your own cult yet? This is the kind of response you get (to a post that is just common sense) when a person has a fundamentally nonsensical way at looking at the world.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2214	Posted - 2015.08.20 16:58:30 - [117] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... The environment and circumstances matter sure, but at the end of the day, whether one experiences success or failure is fundamentally internal, not external. A Reset of EVE Online would just be confirmation of the fact that some people suck at gaming and others don't. We already know this lol. Why haven't you tried to form your own cult yet? This is the kind of response you get (to a post that is just common sense) when a person has a fundamentally nonsensical way at looking at the world. You harp on and on and on about how you see the world. Form a cult, write some self help books or something and make some money out of all that useless effort. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12156	Posted - 2015.08.20 17:13:52 - [118] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... The environment and circumstances matter sure, but at the end of the day, whether one experiences success or failure is fundamentally internal, not external. A Reset of EVE Online would just be confirmation of the fact that some people suck at gaming and others don't. We already know this lol. Why haven't you tried to form your own cult yet? This is the kind of response you get (to a post that is just common sense) when a person has a fundamentally nonsensical way at looking at the world. You harp on and on and on about how you see the world. Form a cult, write some self help books or something and make some money out of all that useless effort. Why does some random internet guy's post about the obvious nature of things irritate you? It says a lot that you would rather read my posts (that you know you won't like) and respond uselessly rather than use the ignore function. If you were the kind of person to examine your own thoughts (before speaking them...), you'd realize what your reaction to my postings mean about yourself. To put it bluntly, if my posting on a video game board about personal responsibility, self reliance and the need to know one's self before criticizing others bothers you, it might mean there is something wrong with you. Of course making snarky jealousy posts every time I post simple observations would be way easier than that though...
Dave Stark 7544	Posted - 2015.08.20 17:42:31 - [119] - Quote if ccp want to refund my subscription fees, i'll be happy for them to totally wipe the game.
Harry Saq Blueprint Haus Blades of Grass 112	Posted - 2015.08.20 18:21:32 - [120] - Quote hell, go full chaos. Reset under Aegus Sov and merge all the servers...now that would be interesting.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2215	Posted - 2015.08.20 18:52:30 - [121] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: ... Why does some random internet guy's post ... irritate you? ... The same way that Christmas carols played all year round would annoy any sane person. Same bad smelling fish in a different newspaper wrapping with almost every post. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12157	Posted - 2015.08.20 18:56:45 - [122] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... Why does some random internet guy's post ... irritate you? ... The same way that Christmas carols played all year round would annoy any sane person. Same bad smelling fish in a different newspaper wrapping with almost every post. So the thought never occurs to stay away from places that do year round Christmas carols and/or fish markets? This is the post I made.. Feel free to point out the parts of it you think are wrong, and we can talk about it (ie I can talk about it and you can pretend like your choice to reply to the simple common sense it contained wasn't petty and juvenile).
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 392	Posted - 2015.08.20 19:20:08 - [123] - Quote I wish to avoid creating bias peraonally so have not read any replies. Following is own opinion directly responded to OP. Reset? No. From a player view. I do not have an ALT team. I am betting many players dont. Most MMO, nobody is interested in multibox. As such, I have seven unbroken years of skill training. Think I have any intention of starting back over? I can have fun in most everything from T1 to supers if I chose. Why would I want to play if I am back to not being able to do my high end of PVP? The tools and game design is very open for new players and veterans to interact and work together in an enjoyqble manner. Problem is, the ideal role for new players is not of any use. Ewar, tackle remote boosts? Low sp to train means perfect for newbs to do something with great effect. These utilities can use extremely cost effective ships making for easy supply by veterans. We do not need or want server reset. What we need is mechanics that make non blob combat (promote independent squads in fleet fights) to have room and benefit to ewar and non logistics support. Complexity will help offset inflation and improve player retention. At same time, will move more towards the cruisers being bread and butter in fleets with capitals being strategic resources. Done right, it will not eliminate current gameplay options. Reset and one year from now will just be exactly where we are now, just with far fewer independent and small corp players. Sure, not cap fleets, but a few guys will easily out pace majority and chery pick it all.
Commander Spurty Dimension Door We need wards. 1557	Posted - 2015.08.20 19:25:57 - [124] - Quote I would accept a wallet / assets / corporation/ alliance / outposts / space wipe if everyone was in the exact same boat, but you wipe skill points and you get Nill points (Eurovision song contest style) There are good ships And wood ships And ships that sail the sea But the best ships are Spaceships Built by CCP
Spurty Dimension Door We need wards. 1557	Posted - 2015.08.20 19:25:57 - [125] - Quote I would accept a wallet / assets / corporation/ alliance / outposts / space wipe if everyone was in the exact same boat, but you wipe skill points and you get Nill points (Eurovision song contest style) There are good ships And wood ships And ships that sail the sea But the best ships are Spaceships Built by CCP
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 392	Posted - 2015.08.20 19:35:54 - [126] - Quote Aurure wrote: Resetting is not an option. But the thread still has potential! With all the knowledge anchored in the playerbase right now, it would be interesting to hear what people would choose as an income source IF a reset happened. What skillpaths would be rushed, which pve activities would see most frequent use, what steategic decissions are made in order to secure the biggest share of the pie. If you can point out the good opportunities, you automatically point at things that maybe need to be balanced. The isk factor. That is the key point. Bounties and reward ate the only way isk enters. Rich from market and materials only are so because some point, somebody is getting isk without investment. That is simply due to rates of cetain incomes being too high. If income rates were slower, main markets would be low value and low margin items. To balance eve but still offer progression, eve mechanics led themselve on lower end of endame isk income to being about 20-100+ MIL per hour of gameplay per toon. As such, late game players need to be losing that or similar minus 10-20% to still feel progression and get shinies. However, pvp lends itself to battle avoidance with losses rare. On high end of earnings, players with multiple toons paying onto one means just impossible to control isk levels. Hoarding is a form of isk sink though at least. But this high level does remove competiton and therefore, challenge. End result is on the isk generation side, isk=/=risk. Scripted nature and predictability eliminates most chance of loss. So isk equals more isk. In old incursion debate, they are so scripted that it is expected to fly expensive to maximize earning rates. Risk so low for most that potential loss is not a factor in your earnings. We just generate way too much isk. Net generation rate slower would make player skill more relevant as it would reduce minimum SP requirements for an effective fleet. Lower cost ships more common.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2215	Posted - 2015.08.20 19:46:26 - [127] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: ... Feel free to point out the parts of it you think are wrong, and we can talk about it .... Getting on a soap box and being sanctimonious in almost every thread, is the problem. You are the forum equivalent of a homeless street side preacher. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12157	Posted - 2015.08.20 19:55:50 - [128] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... Feel free to point out the parts of it you think are wrong, and we can talk about it .... Getting on a soap box and being sanctimonious in almost every thread, is the problem. You are the forum equivalent of a homeless street side preacher. Ah, so you can't actually point to any flaw in my post , or my thinking in general, just thought you'd take the time out of your obviously busy and fulfilling life to troll on a space game forum for no good reason. Got it. If any of you others wonder why I sometimes take issue with the above poster, there it is for you. I mean, I must be the problem here right?
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 9157	Posted - 2015.08.20 20:10:37 - [129] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... Feel free to point out the parts of it you think are wrong, and we can talk about it .... Getting on a soap box and being sanctimonious in almost every thread, is the problem. You are the forum equivalent of a homeless street side preacher. Ah, so you can't actually point to any flaw in my post , or my thinking in general, just thought you'd take the time out of your obviously busy and fulfilling life to troll on a space game forum for no good reason. Got it. If any of you others wonder why I sometimes take issue with the above poster, there it is for you. I mean, I must be the problem here right? I will offer to sell you my corp. The name suits you much more than me. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12157	Posted - 2015.08.20 20:37:48 - [130] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... Feel free to point out the parts of it you think are wrong, and we can talk about it .... Getting on a soap box and being sanctimonious in almost every thread, is the problem. You are the forum equivalent of a homeless street side preacher. Ah, so you can't actually point to any flaw in my post , or my thinking in general, just thought you'd take the time out of your obviously busy and fulfilling life to troll on a space game forum for no good reason. Got it. If any of you others wonder why I sometimes take issue with the above poster, there it is for you. I mean, I must be the problem here right? I will offer to sell you my corp. The name suits you much more than me. Mr Epeen You keep it, it adds to the irony that occurs when you snarkily post about how horrible a place General Discussion is while conveniently forgetting that you are a General Discussion poster...
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 392	Posted - 2015.08.20 22:46:22 - [131] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: [quote=Jenshae Chiroptera] Ah, so you can't actually point to any flaw in my post , or my thinking in general, just thought you'd take the time out of your obviously busy and fulfilling life to troll on a space game forum for no good reason. Got it. If any of you others wonder why I sometimes take issue with the above poster, there it is for you. I mean, I must be the problem here right? Is actually something I agree with you on that. People speak and think differently, so it stands to reason we have our on linguistic touches and attitudes that come across the keyboards. Like all things, people misinterperate it. WIthout tone, text is even easier to do this. So yeah, you post something and people call you out on it, their call out means nothing if they don't have a substantiated why as to the reason for calling you out. Good example is the good ol incursion rant threads. People identify a problem but apply a solution that is based entirely on their need, not the target of the feature. Can say it is a bad idea, or point out/debate why it is. If somebody is saying you are a ____ persona, well they should back it up. The rest of us forum people will not reply if there is no substance and said person who is "all about me" will just fade away.
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2346	Posted - 2015.08.20 22:50:22 - [132] - Quote Honestly, if you reset Eve, I would not be surprised if we were to end up at exactly the same point we are at today in a couple of years, provided there are enough people left afterwards, of course.
Snowmann Arrow Industries 38	Posted - 2015.08.20 23:02:27 - [133] - Quote I don't think a complete reset will ever work because this game relies some much on the players who have played for years. A partial reset might work if it is somehow tied to massive gameplay changes that some how justify the reset. But, we need to keep something from our years of playing this game, which I would suggest would be our total skill points. Losing isk and assets would be far easier to accept than losing everything. But there has to be some in game change that really justifies something this massive. Resetting just because some have become bored isn't a valid reason. There would need to be more effort to fundamentally alter that game that most would still accept. That would not be easy.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12753	Posted - 2015.08.20 23:45:59 - [134] - Quote Snowmann wrote: That would not be easy. Wouldn't even be hard, more like completely impossible. Players would rage CCP is just trying to milk money for PLEX and AUR. Big alliances would reform in minutes and just become mega powerful while everyone less organized would be vaporized. And anyway, if things changed that much so quickly as you suggest would be the only way, it likely would be awful, as other games have done historically and closed down. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Lugia3 The Africans 1497	Posted - 2015.08.20 23:56:02 - [135] - Quote The basic elements of the game, like movement, would need a total overhaul or the game would instadie. As of right now, it exists simply because so many people have invested so much time and money and can't quit. Also, huge preexisting communities like Goons would reform right away. A full reset won't get rid of friendships and communities. It wouldn't be a true reset. "CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik Remove Sov!
Jenshae Chiroptera 2216	Posted - 2015.08.21 00:32:47 - [136] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: ...Ah, so you can't actually point to any flaw in my post , ... Posts. Plural. That is the problem. Repeating the same thing over and over and over and over again. "You are all illogical and see the world the wrong way." CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12160	Posted - 2015.08.21 00:52:32 - [137] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ...Ah, so you can't actually point to any flaw in my post , ... Posts. Plural. That is the problem. Repeating the same thing over and over and over and over again. "You are all illogical and see the world the wrong way." Message received. Message rejected. You can stop broadcasting it now. I will always have a nice chuckle at the fact that me making a simple observation smacks you so hard you react like a vampire at a tanning salon (and a second chuckle at your impotent attempt at censorship). The only reason one would react the way you do to what I say is that you personally follow a failed and destructive ideology that rejects self awareness and self reliance in favor of victimhood. I'm telling you this honestly, you should use that ignore function. I'm going to keep talking, as long as the rank stupidity you and people like you represent keeps existing. If you don't like it yet refuse to use the ignore function, you're simply going to have to be butthurt about what I say from.now.on.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2216	Posted - 2015.08.21 01:01:54 - [138] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: ... I'm going to keep talking, ... ... or you can try putting on a different record and having an original thought this year instead of repeating the same one from years gone by. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12761	Posted - 2015.08.21 01:16:07 - [139] - Quote Lugia3 wrote: The basic elements of the game, like movement, would need a total overhaul or the game would instadie. As of right now, it exists simply because so many people have invested so much time and money and can't quit. Also, huge preexisting communities like Goons would reform right away. A full reset won't get rid of friendships and communities. It wouldn't be a true reset. Yep, as those alliances with their website membership would not be wiped. It'd take them a day to reorganize and then overwhelm. Meanwhile most corps and some alliances would be in bewilderment for weeks, or just not exist any longer. Not sure what you mean about movement, if you mean like some people asking over the years for loop-d-loops and point to shoot, that would be broadband only and wind up dropping most players not around the London server. If it were that and a reset, I'd say CCP would be lucky to retain 10% of it's current player-base if even that. They run UDP I'm pretty sure, as most mmo's do as the best protocol for this purpose. Turning up UDP response would just be insane, maybe 200 max in a system. I don't think even tidi could compensate. DUST would probably retain more players than EVE. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 582	Posted - 2015.08.21 09:42:26 - [140] - Quote I'd be curious to see how many people still asked, can I have your stuff when everyone threatened to quit because they look all our stuff. R.I.P. Vile Rat
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 459	Posted - 2015.08.21 21:58:57 - [141] - Quote Why do people keep asking this brain dead stupid question...
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 459	Posted - 2015.08.21 22:09:56 - [142] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... Feel free to point out the parts of it you think are wrong, and we can talk about it .... Getting on a soap box and being sanctimonious in almost every thread, is the problem. You are the forum equivalent of a homeless street side preacher. Jenn is my favorite poster...
Issler Dainze Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2517	Posted - 2015.08.21 22:26:35 - [143] - Quote Leave all the supers but make the functionally identical to new player frigates.....
Hal Morsh Delusions of Granduer Two Drink Minimum 380	Posted - 2015.08.21 22:37:46 - [144] - Quote I like the idea. CCP could plan some good changes to the game they couldn't otherwise make without upsetting too many. Complete reset I would like, but never more than one server. Test server is test server, but NO other shards besides the Chinese one. Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
admiral root Red Galaxy 3192	Posted - 2015.08.22 00:03:31 - [145] - Quote Feawen wrote: a LOT Laughably Obvious Troll? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
Jenshae Chiroptera 2227	Posted - 2015.08.22 03:31:16 - [146] - Quote BrundleMeth wrote: ... Jenn is my favorite poster... I can't say that I am surprised. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 51342	Posted - 2015.08.22 05:04:52 - [147] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: if ccp want to refund my subscription fees, i'll be happy for them to totally wipe the game. Actually ....... If CCP refunded all subscription fees paid for the account ..... Of course we all know that would never happen. As for the OP's idea to reset everything back to start ...................... DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
ISD FlowingSpice ISD STAR 19	Posted - 2015.08.22 05:09:56 - [148] - Quote Snipped some trolling.
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 460	Posted - 2015.08.22 11:22:37 - [149] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: BrundleMeth wrote: ... Jenn is my favorite poster... I can't say that I am surprised. You're my least favorite...always whining and cutting people down...
Jenshae Chiroptera 2238	Posted - 2015.08.22 11:52:55 - [150] - Quote BrundleMeth wrote: ... cutting people down... Are you oblivious to what aSnide does? CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Arbitos GamCorp Almost Broken 45	Posted - 2015.08.22 11:57:49 - [151] - Quote Snowmann wrote: Note: Reset all skills may be fine, but not skill points. The only comment in this thread that actually made me think for a moment.
AARC The Dutch East India Company Fidelas Constans 13	Posted - 2015.08.22 11:58:41 - [152] - Quote Funny, you guys are getting stomped to hell and back, i.e. losing the fight. And now you are whining about a full server wide reset?
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 406	Posted - 2015.08.22 16:27:00 - [153] - Quote AARC wrote: Funny, you guys are getting stomped to hell and back, i.e. losing the fight. And now you are whining about a full server wide reset? Surprisingly interesting insight into mindset. After the alliance headshot on Cascade Imminent, I was for a short while in a what is the point mindset. I mean there was a group of power players that were for all intents and purpose, invincible. The power projection was just too great. I held it not against those guys. I mean they worked hard to build up to what they had and were playing appropriately. TEST, respect on that headshot. But at the same time, it was limiting gameplay. Hence the revitalization of how sov works. It angered many people, but now Nullsec is able to support a larger density and over time, it can be expected to increase vitality and the dynamics. In addition. The changes that make mobile front lines instead of just a hotdrop sniping enhances small alliance abilities and what I hope for, actually bring in a necessity for neutral parties. That is a discussion for another topic. So point being? Reset, no. But addressing why there is a (small) call for a reset? Yes.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6817	Posted - 2015.08.22 16:34:28 - [154] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: I mean there was a group of power players that were for all intents and purpose, invincible. The power projection was just too great. I held it not against those guys. I mean they worked hard to build up to what they had and were playing appropriately. Project some interceptors and troll them Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 406	Posted - 2015.08.22 16:54:32 - [155] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Project some interceptors and troll them Not my play style. That goes to other topics as well. Limited alternatives mean limited player base. Sides, back then I was also trolling goon space, as well as before and after. My isk came from exploration, my systems of choice were goon ones. I loved it when a big wack of ships would show up trying to find me, and then rant on forums of AFK cloaker. Or even more, when ratters would dock up. But that was a side effect of what I was doing. The interceptor run and kite and disrupt would be fun at first, but very boing quite quickly. Sides, if they wanted the system, what would they care about an interceptor buzzing about in a ratting system during a CTA?
Kiryen O'Bannon Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans 229	Posted - 2015.08.22 18:53:28 - [156] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: I think there is a simularity between people who believe a reset will 'help' them (or the situation in general) and things like Fozzie sov (that's supposed to "open up" opportunities for the previously disenfranchised "small guy") and other changes CCP has made or wanted to make. Some people have the idea that "I want to do things, but I can't because of this unfairness, if only this injustice didn't exist, I would shine!" lol. What really happens is that when you remove all these 'barriers' you find the same people who succeeded in the past end up succeeding again (because success is a part of who they are and how they think) and the people who failed in the past (and blamed it on the barriers) keep failing. This is why CCPs attempts to "open up the game" have failed, the kind of person who will continue to play EVE past the trial would have continued under almost any circumstances, people who quit would have quit anyway. I actually saw this happen in real life, a guy working for my organization claimed that a few policies we had were all that was holding him back. So he ends up working for another organization that doesn't have the same restrictions....and still hasn't made any progress (and is now blaming it on a new set of conditions...conditions that didn't exist in the original organization lol). BTW, In the exact same time frame I've been promoted twice, because the things that guy thought were barriers , weren't The environment and circumstances matter sure, but at the end of the day, whether one experiences success or failure is fundamentally internal, not external. A Reset of EVE Online would just be confirmation of the fact that some people suck at gaming and others don't. We already know this lol. The mentality you're describing is a major problem in real life; half the political spectrum is devoted to removing "barriers" to people's success, then inventing new barriers to remove in order to keep the gravy train going. In real life people at least have the excuse that there's been plenty of real injustice in the world - EVE is a game. If it's unjust and unfair, get better or quit. Major "rock in the pond changes" because ~reasons~ are a terrible idea, but people with no critical thinking or analysis skills like to advocate for them. Look at the OP - despite "thinking a lot" no actual reasoning is presented. Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
Maradusa Macarthy Hedion University Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2015.08.24 13:26:11 - [157] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... The environment and circumstances matter sure, but at the end of the day, whether one experiences success or failure is fundamentally internal, not external. A Reset of EVE Online would just be confirmation of the fact that some people suck at gaming and others don't. We already know this lol. Why haven't you tried to form your own cult yet? pfft
Jenshae Chiroptera 2260	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:30:28 - [158] - Quote Kiryen O'Bannon wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... I'm going to keep talking, ... ... or you can try putting on a different record and having an original thought this year instead of repeating the same one from years gone by. Unfortunately for you, in order to accuse someone of argumentum ad nauseum, you also have to demonstrate that there's some other flaw in their argument. ... Arguing against an opinion is notoriously futile as it is seldom possible to empirically disprove. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Anne Dieu-le-veut Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People 231	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:37:14 - [159] - Quote A reset is a terrible idea, but TBH if they opened a new US server, I'd abandon my current characters and start over there, if for no other reason than to see if I get a lot fewer "socket closed" disconnects. I've played a lot of MMOs over the years, and never got disconnected near as often as happens to me in this one.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12179	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:46:17 - [160] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kiryen O'Bannon wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... I'm going to keep talking, ... ... or you can try putting on a different record and having an original thought this year instead of repeating the same one from years gone by. Unfortunately for you, in order to accuse someone of argumentum ad nauseum, you also have to demonstrate that there's some other flaw in their argument. ... Arguing against an opinion is notoriously futile as it is seldom possible to empirically disprove. So is your belief that failure must mostly be external. That is your belief right? Because the post you responded to offered only the observation that a Reset won't help like some people like they think it would, because the problem was never the wealth or SP of other players, the problem was and is the limitations people put on themselves. Off all people you should understand this, Fozzie sov was put in place along much of the same thinking, and you've posted against that system. You and I both know the real deal here though. What I said (and the things I say) strike too close to home with you, they go against what you need to believe, and yet you can't figure out a way to fight it with logic. So you lash out like a 5 year old who had his juice box taken from him, rather than reacting like an adult who has full confidence in his perspective. I've said this to many a broken person who chose to post on this forum, and ill say it to you, if lashing out at me makes you feel better, have at it, but it ain't going to fix your problem..which is you.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12180	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:59:56 - [161] - Quote Kiryen O'Bannon wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: I think there is a simularity between people who believe a reset will 'help' them (or the situation in general) and things like Fozzie sov (that's supposed to "open up" opportunities for the previously disenfranchised "small guy") and other changes CCP has made or wanted to make. Some people have the idea that "I want to do things, but I can't because of this unfairness, if only this injustice didn't exist, I would shine!" lol. What really happens is that when you remove all these 'barriers' you find the same people who succeeded in the past end up succeeding again (because success is a part of who they are and how they think) and the people who failed in the past (and blamed it on the barriers) keep failing. This is why CCPs attempts to "open up the game" have failed, the kind of person who will continue to play EVE past the trial would have continued under almost any circumstances, people who quit would have quit anyway. I actually saw this happen in real life, a guy working for my organization claimed that a few policies we had were all that was holding him back. So he ends up working for another organization that doesn't have the same restrictions....and still hasn't made any progress (and is now blaming it on a new set of conditions...conditions that didn't exist in the original organization lol). BTW, In the exact same time frame I've been promoted twice, because the things that guy thought were barriers , weren't The environment and circumstances matter sure, but at the end of the day, whether one experiences success or failure is fundamentally internal, not external. A Reset of EVE Online would just be confirmation of the fact that some people suck at gaming and others don't. We already know this lol. The mentality you're describing is a major problem in real life; half the political spectrum is devoted to removing "barriers" to people's success, then inventing new barriers to remove in order to keep the gravy train going. In real life people at least have the excuse that there's been plenty of real injustice in the world - EVE is a game. If it's unjust and unfair, get better or quit. Major "rock in the pond changes" because ~reasons~ are a terrible idea, but people with no critical thinking or analysis skills like to advocate for them. Look at the OP - despite "thinking a lot" no actual reasoning is presented. Exactly. The 'remove the barriers' types always mean well IMO (in game and out), but by not recognizing where the actual problem comes from (mostly inside, outside can be a problem but that can be overcome), they're solutions always miss the mark. Not only miss the mark, but frequently make things worse for the very people who they were trying to help.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2260	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:01:26 - [162] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: ... So is your belief that failure must mostly be external. ... My opinion is that it is usually a balance of both external and internal. However, I don't see this as a revelation that I must lecture people upon at every available opportunity. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
TrickyBlackSteel Russia Caldari RUCA Emperor 31	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:04:53 - [163] - Quote i would say a big yes,but this wont happen:) its useless
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12180	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:35:57 - [164] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... So is your belief that failure must mostly be external. ... My opinion is that it is usually a balance of both external and internal. However, I don't see this as a revelation that I must lecture people upon at every available opportunity. #1. If you don't like it, ignore function #2. "A balance" is a cop out answer , basically proclaiming "the things I wanted to do but have failed to do in life haven't totally been my fault". In real life, It's BS if you live (or can get to) a developed country, in a sandbox game it's even worse than that. People in EVE have proven that you can take the 5000 isk you get on character creation and make a fortune with it, that you can take frigs or industrials and beat vets in cruisers, that you can take ships that "everyone knows suck" and end up on youtube pwning multiple other ships, that you can do the highest end PVE in cheap easy to train for ships etc etc. Over time I've come to believe that the 'external factors' people tend to be the 'change the world' types who cling to the idea that if you just manipulate a certain environment or factors of it, you can create favorable situations. No one can be surprised that this is how you think, or that you would respond so negatively to the idea that YOU can't change things like you want, because the problem isn't the environment you can manipulate, the problem is people, that you can't (not in the same way). TL;DR, people like you need it to be someone or something else's fault. It's not. Back on topic, People who think a reset would help are people who hide behind the idea that some nebulous "external factor" is keeping them down. Part of me would actually like to see a reset, so that after 1-3 months with the people who are rich and prominent in EVE become rich and prominent again, at least we'd have somethign to show to all these 'external factors!' types. Not that it would make any difference to them (you).
Jenshae Chiroptera 2262	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:47:46 - [165] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: ... In real life, ... if you ... can get to... a developed country, ... ... and here you show your awareness of external circumstances. I also love how you need to classify, "people like you." ... and we are into a worthless debate on your pet opinion. Sigh CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12180	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:54:17 - [166] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: ... and we are into a worthless debate on your pet opinion. Sigh This is what it looks like when an adult male has no sense of personal responsibility. You do recall that YOU replied to one of my posts right (and you keep doing so, and not using the ignore function)? So ima keep talking, thank you for continuing to provide a platform from which I can broadcast my view of things (and looking at the replies since your post, my views resonate with at least a few others, more so than your own do). Couldn't do it without you...
Jenshae Chiroptera 2262	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:05:44 - [167] - Quote "People like them," is an external factor, by the way. You are probably quite frustrated because you seem to live under the belief that you can change people. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12180	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:07:43 - [168] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: "People like them," is an external factor, by the way. You are probably quite frustrated because you seem to live under the belief that you can change people. I wouldn't change others if I could (exception, real life criminals). If I could change you, where would we get our entertainment from?
Jenshae Chiroptera 2262	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:11:08 - [169] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: ... (exception, real life criminals). ... ... who often have a great many external circumstances that propell them in that direction and need exceptional internal will to avoid / overcome. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Bellatrix Invicta The Conference Elite CODE. 231	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:11:10 - [170] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: "People like them," is an external factor, by the way. You are probably quite frustrated because you seem to live under the belief that you can change people. Just want to interject here and say that you went way off the target with this one. I was enjoying the read until you took a snipe like that; uncool. People can, and do, change and often times for reasons less important than spacepixels. Carry on. If you think you've won, think again. The CODE always wins.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2262	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:44:25 - [171] - Quote Bellatrix Invicta wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: ... you can change people. ... People can, and do, change ... Ever seen anyone inject someone else with a cure for alcoholism that worked? I mean, sure, maybe Jenn is going for the brain washing angle but other than that, people will change from their internal self interest, not from the desires of others. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Bellatrix Invicta The Conference Elite CODE. 234	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:51:19 - [172] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Bellatrix Invicta wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: ... you can change people. ... People can, and do, change ... Ever seen anyone inject someone else with a cure for alcoholism that worked? I mean, sure, maybe Jenn is going for the brain washing angle but other than that, people will change from their internal self interest, not from the desires of others. Using a specific example to disprove a generalization is not only bad form, it's really really wrong. Just, stop. If you think you've won, think again. The CODE always wins.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2262	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:56:01 - [173] - Quote Bellatrix Invicta wrote: Using a specific example ... Top of my head, patriots, nationalists, fundamentalists and Code. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Bellatrix Invicta The Conference Elite CODE. 234	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:58:05 - [174] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Bellatrix Invicta wrote: Using a specific example ... Top of my head, patriots, nationalists, fundamentalists and Code. And now mixing in-game with RL. "Kay. The thread is yours again; I'm done. If you think you've won, think again. The CODE always wins.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12180	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:58:12 - [175] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... (exception, real life criminals). ... ... who often have a great many external circumstances that propel them in that direction and need exceptional internal will to avoid / overcome. That you would be an apologist for people who do real life evil is no surprise. How then do you explain those of us from the SAME 'external' circumstances (poor, perhaps the "wrong color", from the 'wrong side of the tracks" with no 'connections, with adverse mental health histories in their families etc) who not only don't become criminals, but come up to contribute to society? Believing in the power of the 'external factors' is just a way people salve their own egos about things. Problem, is, they take that believe into every endeavor. Even recreational ones (like playing a spaceship MMO). Then they find themselves on said spaceship MMO's forum believing that 'if you just lower this barrier (or remove it, like resstting the whole game), more people will come'. So the game developer lowers the barrier, and more people don't come (because while they blamed the barrier, it was their lack of will that was at fault). Meanwhile, people who ignored the barrier (or NEEDED THAT BARRIER TO EXIST to make the journey into that mmo worthwhile) end up playing less because the game is less challenging. A fine example of a good intention making things worse rather than better. I think it is no coincidence that EVE Online is today more safe, more user friendly, more accessible than ever before while at the exact same time seeming to be less popular than it has been in a very long time. The desire that some have for a reset is just a continuation of the failed "if you just level the playing field" mentality that imo has led to the current situation. Real players don't give a flip about level playing fields, they simply find a way to be the guys standing on the best part of the field...
Jenshae Chiroptera 2262	Posted - 2015.08.24 17:13:57 - [176] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: ... How then do you explain those of us from the SAME 'external' circumstances... Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: ... external circumstances ... internal will ... How do you explain the greater propensity for violent crime from poor backgrounds? CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Sarah Eyrou Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2015.08.24 23:51:55 - [177] - Quote how to reset? wont people lose their skills and assets?
Jenshae Chiroptera 2263	Posted - 2015.08.25 00:46:58 - [178] - Quote Sarah Eyrou wrote: how to reset? Yes, you basically just clear out the character database. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Divine Entervention Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing 599	Posted - 2015.08.25 00:54:04 - [179] - Quote it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset. The rest of you: Don't worry, we'll pick you up on the next lap.
admiral root Red Galaxy 3200	Posted - 2015.08.25 01:14:37 - [180] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on That would be CCP Divine Entervention wrote: are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset. Devblog? Dev post on the forum? I'll even take a failbook or twit message. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
Jenshae Chiroptera 2263	Posted - 2015.08.25 01:19:42 - [181] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset. .... EVE isn't new, thus it won't get enough new players. It would lose too many current ones. It won't happen. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Dror Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.08.25 01:23:54 - [182] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: Limited alternatives mean limited player base. This is a lot more truth than what might seem obvious. It's supposed to be a sandbox, with progression and freedom. -- @ this sort of odd banter, it would make more sense if the argument was about actually doing something in-game for the equivalent of SP; but the mechanic is just arbitrary gating. There's no motivation in a set queue, because there's no reward for any amount of play. No socialization because of low character value? SP problem. Gameplay doesn't seem open, and thus competitive, because all of the depth is behind worthless limitations? SP problem. Stations are empty because of limited industry SP? Sov is unchallenged because of limited character and, thus, corp progression? Yet these are all main criticisms of the game with no other obvious fix. The gameplay is fun enough, for any niche including marketing and advanced ship maneuvers (that the game is basically a 3D ARPG), yet playing any interesting role well is behind a completely preposterous amount of non-gameplay.
Alex Grison Grison Industrial Group 926	Posted - 2015.08.25 03:51:01 - [183] - Quote I think im about to reset. yes
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6818	Posted - 2015.08.25 03:54:19 - [184] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset. The rest of you: Don't worry, we'll pick you up on the next lap. Heh, being picked up by Intrepid Crossing would be interesting that's for sure... Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
Artistul Meet The Fockers Brothers of Tangra 9	Posted - 2015.08.25 06:54:35 - [185] - Quote I guess you should ask CCP to create a new server. If they agree, you can go play there and I promise I won't interfere.
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 318	Posted - 2015.08.25 07:47:47 - [186] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset. The rest of you: Don't worry, we'll pick you up on the next lap. self proclaimed prophets of EVE, teach us, show us why you are right, so we can listen once then forget it as quick as we can, we've better things to do than read the screams of doom within every post you can ram one in. a reset would mean nothing! the leaders we have currently throughout the alliances would just reform within 24 hours and take their shite back, within 6 months they'd be more or less in control of what they need, within 1 year they'd be right back on track. or do you guys believe everyone will follow you and you can create a much better empire than everyone else. ya know we've all had our fair share of wannabe leaders and backseat fc's who always know better than everyone else. so let's try keep in mind how this relationship works yea CCP provides the sandbox. WE the players provide the content. you can't reset this sandbox without removing the content providers (the players) so yea,,,, you wanna take a guess on what i think of that bolloxology
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 2662	Posted - 2015.08.25 08:43:44 - [187] - Quote Feawen wrote: I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock. If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO. What say the general eve community? I dont think trolling is allowed on the forums At least I hope it was or you have more serious issues. DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 107	Posted - 2015.08.25 09:40:13 - [188] - Quote Should EVE online be reset? If it was I wouldn't lose much in terms of sp, in fact it could benefit me. But to answer your question,no, it should not be reset. Main reason being the game evolves, player empires come and go the history is made by the players. If you reset, when would you reset the next time after a year. If you reset one time there's nothing stopping you from resetting again at a later date.
Presidente Gallente Dark-Rising 190	Posted - 2015.08.25 10:54:58 - [189] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset. The rest of you: Don't worry, we'll pick you up on the next lap. I guess you are talking about the weirdos who have no clue, energy and patience to deal with EVE. Apart from that this discussion is absolutely senseless because CCP won't reset the game never ever. That's for sure. Don't worry, I'll show you the way to the next exit.
Pixel Piracy Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.08.25 11:41:26 - [190] - Quote Forgive me if I am repeating an already proposed idea - I did not have the patience to sit through and read all of the posts in this thread. This is a tough one. I think a hard reset would be a bit of a kick in the face to seasoned players, however what about introducing a massive event in which high-population 0.0 space is assaulted by an almost overwhelming force? Let them go down in a blaze of glory rather than just resetting everything.
H Zub Alcohol Fuelled 0	Posted - 2015.08.25 11:49:44 - [191] - Quote A reset to what the database was anywhere between 2003 - 2005. Hell yeah! Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12191	Posted - 2015.08.25 13:06:37 - [192] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... How then do you explain those of us from the SAME 'external' circumstances... Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: ... external circumstances ... internal will ... How do you explain the greater propensity for violent crime from poor backgrounds? I can't answer that without directly violating a forum rule (damn those rules). At the same time i realize that a person of your...beleifs.. won't accept it anyways, I've never known a "oh your poor victims" type to ever change their minds about anything, even when it's clear that while you types might mean well, what you end up doing (in real life, maybe even in the game) ends up hurting more than helping. If you look at the basic, core, underlying reasons for 'fozzie-sov' (basically trying to 'stick it to the man' and 'level the playing field for the small guy', both of which have failed), you'll see a very clear in game example of what I'm talking about. The perpetual 'small guys' and 'solo' types are people who lack the personal tools , will and motivation to become the (or join existing) 'big' guys (and then blamed this internal lack on an external situation.. the sov system....), no amount of gerrymandering SOV can deal with the actual problem (which is the INTERNAL preferences of the 'small guys') while the attempt to do something has done little but discourage a good number of 'big group' players who previously were perfectly at home in null (despite their complaining about 'blue donuts' and 'stagnation') because fozzie sov is just 'imported FW'. A Reset would be the same thing,. only more extreme. The people who fail now (and blame it on 'entrenched wealthy bitter vets) would be the same people in a rest EVE as they are now: Willing to blame outside forces for failures that come from inside (them) thus never learning the lessons of their failures (which is a key to success). Their habits would lead them to the same end state: fail. Meanwhile, in Reset EVE, the people who are rich and powerful (and got rich and powerful by being not just ruthless and cunning, but also responsible and accountable, at least to themselves) would just find new ways to stick it to the above mentioned stupid/victim types, and within less than a month the old status quo would return, with Haves having and Have-nots blaming stuff that has nothing to do with why they are have-nots. TL;DR, people don't change, changing the crap around them is meaningless. You can take a hood-rat out of the ghetto, you can't take the ghetto out of the hood-rat.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2264	Posted - 2015.08.25 13:43:04 - [193] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: ... If you look at the basic, core, underlying reasons for 'fozzie-sov' (basically trying to 'stick it to the man' and 'level the playing field for the small guy', both of which have failed), you'll see a very clear in game example of what I'm talking about. ... I think Fozzie SOV has exposed the fact that people don't want SOV. There has been a distinct lack of even attempts on SOV. Simply an almost zero interest factor. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Dror Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.08.25 13:48:10 - [194] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: This whole idea is undermining the validity of SP as a problem for gameplay. Last I checked, the best progression in a video game (especially an MMO) is not money but gameplay. It's of very little conversational value that corps would rejoin in a reset, except that there is very little cause for one beyond advertising and increased competitive gameplay (little, because the same effect can be accomplished by SP disappearing). Fresh, non-stale gameplay is an SP problem. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5990619#post5990619
Andreus Ixiris Duty. 5759	Posted - 2015.08.25 15:18:58 - [195] - Quote The forum rules say trolling is prohibited, OP. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2265	Posted - 2015.08.25 15:19:21 - [196] - Quote Dror wrote: ... This whole idea is undermining the validity of SP as a problem for gameplay. ... I like that even when I am too busy or not in the mood, my character is progressing in the time that I have paid for the account. I like that I don't have to grind out XP. It is probably the largest reason that I avoid most other MMOs these days. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2133	Posted - 2015.08.25 15:26:26 - [197] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: ... How then do you explain those of us from the SAME 'external' circumstances... Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: ... external circumstances ... internal will ... How do you explain the greater propensity for violent crime from poor backgrounds? I can't answer that without directly violating a forum rule (damn those rules). At the same time i realize that a person of your...beleifs.. won't accept it anyways, I've never known a "oh your poor victims" type to ever change their minds about anything, even when it's clear that while you types might mean well, what you end up doing (in real life, maybe even in the game) ends up hurting more than helping. If you look at the basic, core, underlying reasons for 'fozzie-sov' (basically trying to 'stick it to the man' and 'level the playing field for the small guy', both of which have failed), you'll see a very clear in game example of what I'm talking about. The perpetual 'small guys' and 'solo' types are people who lack the personal tools , will and motivation to become the (or join existing) 'big' guys (and then blamed this internal lack on an external situation.. the sov system....), no amount of gerrymandering SOV can deal with the actual problem (which is the INTERNAL preferences of the 'small guys') while the attempt to do something has done little but discourage a good number of 'big group' players who previously were perfectly at home in null (despite their complaining about 'blue donuts' and 'stagnation') because fozzie sov is just 'imported FW'. A Reset would be the same thing,. only more extreme. The people who fail now (and blame it on 'entrenched wealthy bitter vets) would be the same people in a rest EVE as they are now: Willing to blame outside forces for failures that come from inside (them) thus never learning the lessons of their failures (which is a key to success). Their habits would lead them to the same end state: fail. Meanwhile, in Reset EVE, the people who are rich and powerful (and got rich and powerful by being not just ruthless and cunning, but also responsible and accountable, at least to themselves) would just find new ways to stick it to the above mentioned stupid/victim types, and within less than a month the old status quo would return, with Haves having and Have-nots blaming stuff that has nothing to do with why they are have-nots. TL;DR, people don't change, changing the crap around them is meaningless. You can take a hood-rat out of the ghetto, you can't take the ghetto out of the hood-rat. The real problem is they never accept that this is the problem. No matter how you explain it to them, it's never the real reason.
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 912	Posted - 2015.08.25 15:38:40 - [198] - Quote Yeah, if they reset the server, myself and likely many others would just quit playing. 50 mil SP is no joke to get back. Also, myself and those people would not have stuffs for you to haves.
Dror Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2015.08.25 15:49:48 - [199] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Dror wrote: ... This whole idea is undermining the validity of SP as a problem for gameplay. ... I like that even when I am too busy or not in the mood, my character is progressing in the time that I have paid for the account. I like that I don't have to grind out XP. It is probably the largest reason that I avoid most other MMOs these days. OK, but that's no gameplay. Thus, the positives of being rewarded for non-play provide no explanation for the negatives from limitations on play.
Colman Dietmar Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 56	Posted - 2015.08.25 15:51:35 - [200] - Quote Reset all the things, it's the only answer!
Leila Meurtrier Why Am I Not Surprised 4	Posted - 2015.08.25 16:03:03 - [201] - Quote Well, this will solve herontocracy problem for a time being. Also, this will help to get rid of gimmicks like t2 bpos and finally ditch abominations like mines. There are few concerns though. 1)"Community-borns" (Gewns and other big meanies) will get back in power in no time, meeting no match outside other "community-borns". Because most of their comms are outside the house anyway. 2)Wild market fluctuations unprotected by any kind of buffer. Who will prevail? Again, big meanies like gewns.
Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 135	Posted - 2015.08.30 13:12:03 - [202] - Quote Sneaks into the topic, places a Smartbomb ..../warps out EVEBoard ...Just over 26million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
Snagletooth Johnson Snagle Material Services CAStabouts 289	Posted - 2015.08.30 13:16:39 - [203] - Quote Eve is long overdue for a new engine. All they can do is reskin old mechanics, and call it "new content" New engine first, then reset.
Dror Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2015.08.30 13:51:12 - [204] - Quote Snagletooth Johnson wrote: New engine first, then reset. Most development studios would say that anything possible with a fresh engine is possible as is. The problem with EvE is that actually editing the code is apparently problematic because of documentation. It seems humorous how many games with modding get thousands of pages of mods but no fan, engine port -- especially with all of the free engines worth implementing (and the limitations on modding with most games).
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8339	Posted - 2015.08.30 13:53:07 - [205] - Quote RESET FEAWAN [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
ISD Decoy ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1087	Posted - 2015.08.30 17:16:23 - [206] - Quote I have removed a few posts. Please ensure you're contributing to the discussion and not contributing to the drivel... Quote: 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. 23. Post constructively. Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting. ISD Decoy Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Whitehound 2881	Posted - 2015.08.30 18:49:49 - [207] - Quote No. Doing the same thing again and expecting a different outcome would be insane. The game is a living, changing thing. If you are having regrets then do something different. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Feawen Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies. 41	Posted - 2015.08.30 19:24:22 - [208] - Quote I mean sure it's a living thing, but a lot of games go through a reset and come out on the better end. I am not sure why EVE should be considered different.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13489	Posted - 2015.08.30 19:29:37 - [209] - Quote Whitehound wrote: No. Doing the same thing again and expecting a different outcome would be insane. The game is a living, changing thing. If you are having regrets then do something different. I don't think the resetters want a reset for a different outcome, I'm pretty sure they are wanting a repeat on early PLEX prices of ~200m isk so they can play for free with minimum effort. If 90% of the existing players uninstall over it, well a small price to pay for their PLEX. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Johan Civire Flux Technologies Inc Gentlemen's.Parlor 960	Posted - 2015.08.30 19:57:32 - [210] - Quote If you want to reset then i want my money back for couple of 7 years pronta. + te extra kost of wasted time i spend in eve so how about NO?
Hal Morsh Aliastra Gallente Federation 388	Posted - 2015.08.30 22:22:17 - [211] - Quote Look at gameloft, a mobile developer. They design mobile games based off console games for the most part, but they have 8 asphalt games and 5 dungeon hunter games. It seems they know how to milk games in early stages but it doesn't provide a solution for a long term game. Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13497	Posted - 2015.08.30 22:34:04 - [212] - Quote Hal Morsh wrote: Look at gameloft, a mobile developer. They design mobile games based off console games for the most part, but they have 8 asphalt games and 5 dungeon hunter games. It seems they know how to milk games in early stages but it doesn't provide a solution for a long term game. I bought one of their b2p mmo's before. Didn't play it much then uninstalled, mostly because of my poor internet connection back then as a mobile connection wouldn't work for their mobile game. Later reinstalled with a better connection and started playing again, but man was that community terribly toxic! I mean it was just down right nasty. Then I figured out it wasn't b2p any longer but went fully f2p. Uninstalled. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6825	Posted - 2015.08.31 01:49:41 - [213] - Quote Whitehound wrote: No. Doing the same thing again and expecting a different outcome would be insane. For one we wouldn't need t2 bpos Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
Anthar Thebess 1281	Posted - 2015.08.31 10:29:01 - [214] - Quote Scalding wrote: But... after a few weeks I would grow tired of training the same basic skills again so would probably just quit. THis. Trained JDC V on 5 chars , now working on FB V No way i will do it again. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1455	Posted - 2015.09.01 00:29:50 - [215] - Quote Resets mainly attract a flurry of new churn players looking for the latest shiney thing to play for a few months.
Zozoll Neblyn Aliastra Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.09.01 00:50:53 - [216] - Quote Is this a reset where everyone gets to keep their skills? Just loses all of their property? Why not make a second server, where your charcter can choose to go there with no property, and be stuck there? Like a second Eve gate opens up, and it's a one way ticket to some faraway place where nothing has been built? Or another possibility: create a second server with a whole second null, but it is located somewhere that is "cut off" from the main server. So when you take your character there you actually log off and log back on again in the other server, and you're now in a whole different system? Then everyone is happy. The people who like the current server would stay. The people who want a new fronteir would go.
K'tar en Tilavine Galactic Trade Undertaker's 2	Posted - 2015.09.01 11:28:18 - [217] - Quote Zozoll Neblyn wrote: Is this a reset where everyone gets to keep their skills? Just loses all of their property? Why not make a second server, where your charcter can choose to go there with no property, and be stuck there? Like a second Eve gate opens up, and it's a one way ticket to some faraway place where nothing has been built? Or another possibility: create a second server with a whole second null, but it is located somewhere that is "cut off" from the main server. So when you take your character there you actually log off and log back on again in the other server, and you're now in a whole different system? Then everyone is happy. The people who like the current server would stay. The people who want a new fronteir would go. Not a second Server, but a new universe - one way acess with an given char (for PLEX costs) or a new blank char direct in this universe. So you may have chars on 1 account in different universes, like high SP missionrunner on New Eden, and something new on the second universe. This should run on the actual serverhardware as a new giant region which is not direct acessible. So this will have less additional costs for CCP and will rush a bunch of new players to eve i think. K'Tar I really love this idea!
Effect One Vengeful Swan Vengeful Swarm 181	Posted - 2015.09.01 11:31:13 - [218] - Quote Why do you all have the same portrait background? 'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon
Alessienne Ellecon University of Caille Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2015.09.01 13:05:06 - [219] - Quote Reset EVE? HELL NO. I had the most interesting conversation last night with a corpmate who was actually a player who had been playing EVE since it was in open beta - in 2002. According to her, the first major changes were wrought by players who completely altered the economy (and actually made Jita and Amarr into the trade hubs they are today) and saved EVE from dying. You want to reset the entire EVE universe? Sure, as long as you're prepared for a New Eden where: Yulai is the only trade hub It takes a solid week just to make a couple million isk There are no fancy 3D toons or walking in stations (which people still do, by the way, despite the gutting of Incarna) You have to use a rather cumbersome interface with little or no manual control Space mines, apparently one of the most exploitable weapons in EVE history, are available for purchase for peanuts There's no CONCORD-backed security system. You think CODE are bad? Try getting repeatedly ganked by anyone, anywhere, anytime, with zero recourse. There's no planetary interaction There's no SKINs So much of the good stuff would be missing, and it wouldn't necessarily solve your problems. Want asylum from CODE? Go to Solitude, or better yet, join my player corp when the Citadels are released. Want something done about the Imperium and Goonswarm? Form (or join) some frakking PvP alliances, tool up and take them on yourselves. The goons are actually quite bored and would like some 'gud fites', they're just waiting for you to get off your sorry butts and show up in Providence. Bunch of whiny carebears. Goddess preserve us.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6726	Posted - 2015.09.01 13:13:08 - [220] - Quote Alessienne Ellecon wrote: Reset EVE? HELL NO. I had the most interesting conversation last night with a corpmate who was actually a player who had been playing EVE since it was in open beta - in 2002. According to her, the first major changes were wrought by players who completely altered the economy (and actually made Jita and Amarr into the trade hubs they are today) and saved EVE from dying. You want to reset the entire EVE universe? Sure, as long as you're prepared for a New Eden where: Yulai is the only trade hub It takes a solid week just to make a couple million isk There are no fancy 3D toons or walking in stations (which people still do, by the way, despite the gutting of Incarna) You have to use a rather cumbersome interface with little or no manual control Space mines, apparently one of the most exploitable weapons in EVE history, are available for purchase for peanuts There's no CONCORD-backed security system. You think CODE are bad? Try getting repeatedly ganked by anyone, anywhere, anytime, with zero recourse. There's no planetary interaction There's no SKINs So much of the good stuff would be missing, and it wouldn't necessarily solve your problems. Want asylum from CODE? Go to Solitude, or better yet, join my player corp when the Citadels are released. Want something done about the Imperium and Goonswarm? Form (or join) some frakking PvP alliances, tool up and take them on yourselves. The goons are actually quite bored and would like some 'gud fites', they're just waiting for you to get off your sorry butts and show up in Providence. Bunch of whiny carebears. Goddess preserve us. I'm 99% sure they mean reset the characters, not roll back all patches and go back to the old version of the game. So same game, clean slate. Either way, no since the majority of the playerbase wouldn't come back. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
u3pog Ministerstvo na otbranata 668	Posted - 2015.09.03 09:03:05 - [221] - Quote You must be joking OP. I don't have supers, yet it is easy to predict what will happen - all null sec alliances pissed, huge player base leaving the game and for what? To appease the new players who could switch to another mmo anytime by cutting veterans off? This is not Diablo, where you simply reset the ladder...It took years for the game to reach this state.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 150	Posted - 2015.09.03 09:09:08 - [222] - Quote u3pog wrote: You must be joking OP. I don't have supers, yet it is easy to predict what will happen - all null sec alliances pissed, huge player base leaving the game and for what? To appease the new players who could switch to another mmo anytime by cutting veterans off? This is not Diablo, where you simply reset the ladder...It took years for the game to reach this state. It's never going to happen. Only way they could do it is to make EVE 2. But even that is really pointless as a year or two down the line you would need EVE 3.
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 329	Posted - 2015.09.03 09:45:35 - [223] - Quote this call for a reset is nonsense and will never happen, OP you need to think about what you type on here before you hit post. to those holding out wishing it will happen,, get a grip on yourselves. but hey OP if you want a reset so bad then hit delete character and create a new one,, there ya go, reset. that's about the only reset you'll get around these parts. I'm curious though, OP are you pretty new to EVE? because you seem to not have a clue about the game you play.
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 373	Posted - 2015.09.03 10:38:12 - [224] - Quote Once again: Simply NO! OP does not have the slightest idea what storm would break loose. PLEX bought via isk might be one thing. But i also have PLEX bought with Real Money still on my account. I would not only loose in game stuff i would loose my investments, that i made into EvE. A reset and i would be gone for good. You would just loose a big amount of the regular player amount AND you will NOT get more new players playing EvE, since EvE hasn't changed. EvE really would be dead. And if you do NOT reset everything, this reset would be worthless, since entities with a lot of PLEX to rebuy stuff and keep or even enlarge their SOV. Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Grace Mernher Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.09.03 10:51:20 - [225] - Quote Don't do drugs kids, it will make you think CRAZY things.
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 373	Posted - 2015.09.03 11:22:06 - [226] - Quote Alessienne Ellecon wrote: Want asylum from CODE? What? There is no need for that! Code only shoots at things that cannot not shoot back, or ppl who do not know how to use their shiny new ships. On the other hand, ppl playing EvE on regular base are not "afraid" (=LOL) at all. Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Vorago Ignius Chasm of Liberty 2	Posted - 2015.09.03 11:51:48 - [227] - Quote Reset on character SPs too? Haha, see how people will demand money according to how much SPs they have then, this is beyond crazy.
admiral root Red Galaxy 3263	Posted - 2015.09.03 11:56:33 - [228] - Quote La Rynx wrote: Code only shoots at things that cannot not shoot back Confirmed. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
Rei Long Novacore Industries 1	Posted - 2015.09.03 15:26:58 - [229] - Quote New server perhaps?
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 154	Posted - 2015.09.03 15:33:10 - [230] - Quote Rei Long wrote: New server perhaps? No, then they wouldn't be able to say in one universe.
David Semris House Semris 0	Posted - 2015.09.03 16:37:27 - [231] - Quote Sure, as long as CCP refunds all the Euro I have spent for PLEX...
Berreta Hinken Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.09.03 16:47:13 - [232] - Quote admiral root wrote: La Rynx wrote: Code only shoots at things that cannot not shoot back Confirmed. If anything you just confirmed his statement. A dread can't hit a dessie.
Nakito Kobara Yamagata Syndicate Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 42	Posted - 2015.09.03 21:58:17 - [233] - Quote Rei Long wrote: New server perhaps? Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!! That's what makes Eve so cool. One Eve. Yamagata Syndicate - Caldari State FW, PvE, PvP. Join today!
u3pog Ministerstvo na otbranata 668	Posted - 2015.09.03 22:07:50 - [234] - Quote There is a solution to this! A time machine! Oh, if I could bring back time, I would start playing EVE since it was launched...and maybe win the lottery, to buy a supercomputer.
Lulu Lunette Blue Aurochs United Systems of Aridia 71	Posted - 2015.09.03 22:12:58 - [235] - Quote Avvy wrote: Rei Long wrote: New server perhaps? No, then they wouldn't be able to say in one universe. They already have the practice server Singularity @lunettelulu7
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2015.09.03 22:38:04 - [236] - Quote Lulu Lunette wrote: Avvy wrote: Rei Long wrote: New server perhaps? No, then they wouldn't be able to say in one universe. They already have the practice server Singularity Ok, a new test server, that could work, as they could still say in one universe.
admiral root Red Galaxy 3265	Posted - 2015.09.04 07:15:40 - [237] - Quote Berreta Hinken wrote: admiral root wrote: La Rynx wrote: Code only shoots at things that cannot not shoot back Confirmed. If anything you just confirmed his statement. A dread can't hit a dessie. Please point to the part where he specified "can't shoot back at destroyers". Edit: Double confirmation. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 330	Posted - 2015.09.04 10:49:27 - [238] - Quote admiral root wrote: Berreta Hinken wrote: admiral root wrote: La Rynx wrote: Code only shoots at things that cannot not shoot back Confirmed. If anything you just confirmed his statement. A dread can't hit a dessie. Please point to the part where he specified "can't shoot back at destroyers". Edit: Double confirmation. when 99.9% of your kills is ships that can't shoot back is it worth talking about the 0.1% that can? i don't think so.
Esnaelc Sin'led AdAstra. Beach Club 15	Posted - 2015.09.04 11:30:28 - [239] - Quote CCP should've destroyed all Null Sec Stargates and stations and POSs during the Carolina's Star thing with Jove / Drifters and co. Every NullSec inhabitants would've respawned to the closest Lowsec Station in their pods. Concidering that at this time new Structures and buildable stargates would have been rdy to be released on TQ, players would've had to rebuild nullsec, starting from buildable Stargates and reconquer nullsec. Everybody would've been on the same level (more or less / more less than more... oO). But hey, whines..
admiral root Red Galaxy 3265	Posted - 2015.09.04 15:53:47 - [240] - Quote xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: when 99.9% of your kills is ships that can't shoot back is it worth talking about the 0.1% that can? i don't think so. Shuttles, freighters and jump freighters don't account for 99.9% of our kills. You should feel bad for making numbers up. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
Asuka Solo Instant Annihilation This Isn't Going To End Well 2993	Posted - 2015.09.04 21:47:03 - [241] - Quote PT alliance can lead by example... Biomass all your alts, give us all your stuff and start over. We'll decide if we want to follow afterwards with no commitment to anything Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Zosius Two Factory Vultures 64	Posted - 2015.09.05 08:30:27 - [242] - Quote What great idea. I could finally unsub and enjoy life. http://cloakybastard.blogspot.com
bloodknight2 Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 352	Posted - 2015.09.05 10:47:22 - [243] - Quote Feawen wrote: I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock. If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO. What say the general eve community? Just because you hate how the game is at the moment means CCP should reset everything to 0.
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 338	Posted - 2015.09.06 14:55:45 - [244] - Quote admiral root wrote: xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: when 99.9% of your kills is ships that can't shoot back is it worth talking about the 0.1% that can? i don't think so. Shuttles, freighters and jump freighters don't account for 99.9% of our kills. You should feel bad for making numbers up. guess i hit a nerve there
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6831	Posted - 2015.09.06 15:37:42 - [245] - Quote bloodknight2 wrote: Feawen wrote: I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock. If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO. What say the general eve community? Just because you hate how the game is at the moment means CCP should reset everything to 0. Well that was fast. Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
admiral root Red Galaxy 3270	Posted - 2015.09.06 16:00:20 - [246] - Quote xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: admiral root wrote: xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: when 99.9% of your kills is ships that can't shoot back is it worth talking about the 0.1% that can? i don't think so. Shuttles, freighters and jump freighters don't account for 99.9% of our kills. You should feel bad for making numbers up. guess i hit a nerve there How so? Your number was completely wrong. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
Harry Forever SpaceJunkys 1276	Posted - 2015.09.06 16:42:04 - [247] - Quote Feawen wrote: I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock. If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO. What say the general eve community? please reset your brain frist YouTube - Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 544	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:02:30 - [248] - Quote admiral root wrote: xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: admiral root wrote: xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: when 99.9% of your kills is ships that can't shoot back is it worth talking about the 0.1% that can? i don't think so. Shuttles, freighters and jump freighters don't account for 99.9% of our kills. You should feel bad for making numbers up. guess i hit a nerve there How so? Your number was completely wrong. Have no interest in the rest of this thread... but your personal stats would say he was way off... Taking out control towers and capsules only 72% of your kills were against things that normally can't fight back. Code. on the other hand. Raw numbers not even isk-wise, 91% of their kills are Frieghters, Jump Frieghters, Industrials, mining barges, exhumers and mining frigates. And that includes whoring on their own concord death mails. Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
admiral root Red Galaxy 3271	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:31:10 - [249] - Quote It's also worth noting that industrials, mining barges, exhumers and mining frigates can all shoot back. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
Anne Dieu-le-veut Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People 234	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:52:24 - [250] - Quote La Rynx wrote: Alessienne Ellecon wrote: Want asylum from CODE? On the other hand, ppl playing EvE on regular base are not "afraid" (=LOL) at all. Says the NPC corp forum alt so butthurt about CODE that you take a shot at them in your sig, and always comment in CODE threads.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6831	Posted - 2015.09.06 20:40:30 - [251] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: And that includes whoring on their own concord death mails. They must really love getting on killmails. Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
Axis Mikels No Refunds. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 4	Posted - 2015.09.07 02:23:12 - [252] - Quote I can tell the OP doesn't have 100+mil sp or he wouldn't even come up with this ******** idea. Do you think I have been playing and paying CCP for over 10 years to have all my sp reset? no Im not an elitist i just enjoy the game...
Axis Mikels No Refunds. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 4	Posted - 2015.09.07 02:24:30 - [253] - Quote Harry Forever wrote: Feawen wrote: I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock. If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO. What say the general eve community? please reset your brain frist + 100,000,000 for this one
Feawen Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies. 42	Posted - 2015.09.07 19:54:38 - [254] - Quote Can we please keep the trolling out of this thread tyvm

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